Re: CFC Newbie Question: Encapsulation
On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In my Java book it says that if a method is public, a data filed could > be assigned a value directly, BUT doing so "violates an important > principle of object-oriented programming -- that of data hiding using > encapsulation. > > However, I have seen alot of CF developers write code that directly > assigns values to data fields in CFC's like the following: Officially, yes, true object oriented programming does not allow you to access variables in an object directly. You can reference constants directly, but never set or retrieve variables. In the CFC world I don't think there is any such thing as a constant, so you're either going to program get/set methods, or you're not. My preference - for the most part - is not. In a large development environment, with many developers working on difference pieces of a project, it does make sense to do this kind of encapsulation, because it protects your variables and allows you to control what values they contain. For example, if you're using the this scope to store an ID variable that is an integer, if you ALLOW that variable to be set from the outside world (maybe someone elses CFC), then they could easily set it to "foo", and suddenly something doesn't work the way they expect it to and it breaks in YOUR code. In the world of encapsulation, you control how that variable is set. This example only returns "false" but it could return or log a more specific error message. This forces other programmers using your CFC to send proper data to the variable, or setting the variable will fail, preventing unknown consequences later in the application. Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232678 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFC Newbie Question: Encapsulation
Thanks Rick, I will surely take a look. -Aaron On 2/16/06, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aaron Roberson wrote: > > > > I am going to keep all of these threads, print them out, and go over > > them multiple times until I begin to grasp it all. I guess I won't be > > learning CFAJAX until I get CFC's down, which is proving to be quite a > > task and very lengthy process. > > CFCs are wonderful! > > If you want to see an example of using the this scope and an init() > function within a CFC, look at the code in CFFM: > > http://www.opensourcecf.com/cffm > > In that case, I use an init() to set properties, which is good in the OO > world (like a constructor in java), but I use the this scope instead of > the variables scope, so I don't have to write getter and setter methods. > > It is a violation of object oriented programming, but I really don't > care in this case =) > > Rick > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232680 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFC Newbie Question: Encapsulation
Aaron Roberson wrote: > > I am going to keep all of these threads, print them out, and go over > them multiple times until I begin to grasp it all. I guess I won't be > learning CFAJAX until I get CFC's down, which is proving to be quite a > task and very lengthy process. CFCs are wonderful! If you want to see an example of using the this scope and an init() function within a CFC, look at the code in CFFM: http://www.opensourcecf.com/cffm In that case, I use an init() to set properties, which is good in the OO world (like a constructor in java), but I use the this scope instead of the variables scope, so I don't have to write getter and setter methods. It is a violation of object oriented programming, but I really don't care in this case =) Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232679 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
Mike, Thanks for the encouragement. I looked at some examples that use DAO, and I have looked into other Design Patterns too. At first I thought that CFC's were nothing more than collections of functions. Now that I am learning Java at the same time, I am realizing that there is much more to it than that. I really don't like the idea of learning a specific framework such as Mach II, Fusebox, etc. I also don't like the idea of learning Design Patterns such as DAO, Decorater, Composite, etc. It seems like all that is overkill, but I'm sure that many on this list can bombard this thread with their witness to the benefits of using a tested framework and design pattern. I'm just very exhausted, have stretched my deadline, and don't know when I will be able to bring all this to an end. I would love it if I were where you are now, even though I am sure you still have much to learn too. I have four websites that all belong to the same organization (which I work for). I would like to build the main site, and then just port various elements such as the user registration, newsletter subscription, and relevant product offers from the shopping cart to the sub sites. I am also being asked to create an audio and video podcast, as well as a webservice for pushing articles to other sites and aggregators. This is a huge project, and my employer is wandering why it is taking so long. They are pressing me to just use a open source projects, but most of the opensource stuff is php and each feature requires a seperate database. Besides, I want to learn how to do all this and I know that I'm not too far away from doing it, but the task is daunting and CFC's are proving to me much more complicated and confusing than I thought. uhhh... -Aaron On 2/16/06, Mike Kear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aaron, Can offer this suggestion to you - you seem to be where I was not > too long ago ... persevering with it is WELL worth the effort. > > When I started tinkering about with CFCs, I used them as a collection of > functions. A bit like I had been including a cfm file containing a library > of common functions for some time already. The CFC approach seemed to be > pretty easy and basically the same thing, and I couldn't really see the big > benefit of it. It just seemed to be another way to do the same thing I'd > been doing for years. Big deal. > > Then I started playing with Mach-ii, and I jumped in too far, too deep and > it was beyond me. I retreated for a while and just continued using CFCs as > libraries of functions. I came back to it every so often, because it was > such a major and frequent topic on lists like this I figured there had to be > far more to it than I realised. > > Gradually the light went on.and it all started to make some sense to me. > For someone who has learned everything 'on the job' and who has no formal > training in IT, that's kind of how I've learned almost everything I know. > Anyway, here's where I am now, and what I think has been the return for me > .(sorry if this is stating the obvious to those who already 'get' OOP) > > In January, I built a Content Management System entirely using the OOP > techniques I have learned so far. No doubt people more experienced than I > or with more formal study on OOP could pick holes in what I've done, but > look at what the effort's done for me: > > >- I built the whole CMS from scratch in two weeks. Maybe it's not as >complex as farcry perhaps but it's delighted at least one client so far and >I know for sure it's far easier for novices to use. I was able to build a >couple of code generators to automatically take care of a lot of the > tedious >typing too. >- Using OOP concepts, I have built it so that logic and business are >fully separated from display elements and also from the content. Now I >have an easily portable core I can use and reuse.I've rebuilt my own >site (not yet deployed) in half a day, including plenty of customising. > I >expect to rebuilt 3 probono sites over the weekend and still have time for >some woodwork and a beer or two. >- Using this method forced me to think about the project differently. >The whole project became far clearer in my mind, and building it was much >easier. Instead of dealing with a large complex project, i was dealing > with >a whole lot of little tiny bits.Create an object, populate it with > data, >pass it to a CFC to do something with it, pass it back. It's kinda fun > to >see these bundles of data flying about my sites. >- Each element is self-contained and if you get it right, ensure >errors are trapped and dealt with, it's very robust. Build 50 small >elements all of whom are extremely robust and independent of the others, > and >your whole system is far more robust than I'd been used to previously. > It's >just neat to know that when I call the create() method, it's going to > b
Re: OT: Compiling java source code
I finally got everything compiled and working. Many issues along the way were solved, and since I went through this whole process 6 months ago and didn't remember a damn thing, I decided to blog about it this time: Compiling Custom Event Gateways For Dummies http://www.rickroot.com/blog/1/2006/02/Compiling-Custom-Event-Gateways-For-Dummies.cfm Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232676 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
Aaron, Can offer this suggestion to you - you seem to be where I was not too long ago ... persevering with it is WELL worth the effort. When I started tinkering about with CFCs, I used them as a collection of functions. A bit like I had been including a cfm file containing a library of common functions for some time already. The CFC approach seemed to be pretty easy and basically the same thing, and I couldn't really see the big benefit of it. It just seemed to be another way to do the same thing I'd been doing for years. Big deal. Then I started playing with Mach-ii, and I jumped in too far, too deep and it was beyond me. I retreated for a while and just continued using CFCs as libraries of functions. I came back to it every so often, because it was such a major and frequent topic on lists like this I figured there had to be far more to it than I realised. Gradually the light went on.and it all started to make some sense to me. For someone who has learned everything 'on the job' and who has no formal training in IT, that's kind of how I've learned almost everything I know. Anyway, here's where I am now, and what I think has been the return for me .(sorry if this is stating the obvious to those who already 'get' OOP) In January, I built a Content Management System entirely using the OOP techniques I have learned so far. No doubt people more experienced than I or with more formal study on OOP could pick holes in what I've done, but look at what the effort's done for me: - I built the whole CMS from scratch in two weeks. Maybe it's not as complex as farcry perhaps but it's delighted at least one client so far and I know for sure it's far easier for novices to use. I was able to build a couple of code generators to automatically take care of a lot of the tedious typing too. - Using OOP concepts, I have built it so that logic and business are fully separated from display elements and also from the content. Now I have an easily portable core I can use and reuse.I've rebuilt my own site (not yet deployed) in half a day, including plenty of customising.I expect to rebuilt 3 probono sites over the weekend and still have time for some woodwork and a beer or two. - Using this method forced me to think about the project differently. The whole project became far clearer in my mind, and building it was much easier. Instead of dealing with a large complex project, i was dealing with a whole lot of little tiny bits.Create an object, populate it with data, pass it to a CFC to do something with it, pass it back. It's kinda fun to see these bundles of data flying about my sites. - Each element is self-contained and if you get it right, ensure errors are trapped and dealt with, it's very robust. Build 50 small elements all of whom are extremely robust and independent of the others, and your whole system is far more robust than I'd been used to previously. It's just neat to know that when I call the create() method, it's going to bloody well WORK, because I already made sure the create() method works when I wrote the DAO cfc. Almost completely gone is the error that drove me CRAZY in earlier days - "the is undefined". I hated that. Now variables almost always have a value, and all I have to do is make sure it's the correct value. - Maintenance far easier and quicker. In the past, to add a field to a table, meant changing the table, changing the SQLstatements there, and there, and there, changing the form there, and there, and there, and that action page, also that one and that one, and inevitably I'd miss a change somewhere.Testing was a tedious process. Now, using OOP I have only one file where SQLstatements are, one form, one bean, maybe a couple of places where the data is manipulated. Adding a column is a piece of cake, and I can easily identify where the changes will have to be. - When I think of a new idea, or the client wants something changed, it doesn't worry me as much as it used to. In the past, I'd catch myself thinkiing "oh no I dont want to go into that stuff again . I'm going to have to change that and that and that and the other thing, and test all that stuff all over again ... "And I'd find when I started work that there were far more strings of spaghetti crossing that area than I thought. Now, a change is nowhere near as difficult. And changes in one area are far less likely to impact on other areas. With every aspect of my CMS encapsulated in a little single-function bubble of its own, blind to everything going on around it except what it needs to know, I can make changes, knowing in advance exactly what files are going to be affected and where changes are going to be needed. - Aaron this doesnt answer your specific question I know, but I just wanted to tell you that it can be confusing, seems
Re: CFC Newbie Question: Encapsulation
James, I am going to keep all of these threads, print them out, and go over them multiple times until I begin to grasp it all. I guess I won't be learning CFAJAX until I get CFC's down, which is proving to be quite a task and very lengthy process. Thanks again and again! -Aaron "To instantiate or not to instantiate, that is the question." - 21st Century Shakespeare On 2/16/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, for the moment, forget THIS. > > > > > > > should be > > > > > The life cycle of the instance depends on where you put it. > Instantiate it in the session scope, it lasts as long as the session. > Similar for the application scope. > > The use of THIS is to make this bit work: > > > > Inside that, the init() method returns THIS > > > > > > > That's the only time you need to use THIS in the whole component. > > On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The only use for THIS in an OO-based component is to return THIS at > > > the end of the constructor. That returns the entire component for use > > > as an instance. > > > > In Java, the constructer is for providing arguments with default > > values. These default values can be the ones that are automaticly > > assigned to each corresponding data type, or if you create a > > constructer method it will be the values you specify. > > > > > The properties will be in the VARIABLES scope; they can be used via > > > getter and setter methods. This is where the ARGUMENTS scope comes in > > > - the setter methods take an argument, check it for validity and then > > > set a value in the VARIABLES scope. The VARIABLES scope remains > > > between method calls, acting as storage within the instance. > > > > So within my setter method I would do something like the following: > > > > > > > > > > The intention would be to make the "name" property persist across > > method calls? I don't think I really understand what that means. I am > > thinking in terms of sessions and applications but I don't think their > > related. If I assign something to the session scope, the variable > > remains the same throught the entire session unless it is changed by > > another assignment. If an object is instantiated, all properties in > > the variable scope will remain the same on the calling page, but what > > about on other pages? What is the life cycle of an instance? > > > > Sorry for all the questions... I hope someone else relieves you from > > doing all the work of saving me from despair... > > > > Thanks so much, > > Aaron > > > > On 2/16/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The only use for THIS in an OO-based component is to return THIS at > > > the end of the constructor. That returns the entire component for use > > > as an instance. > > > > > > The properties will be in the VARIABLES scope; they can be used via > > > getter and setter methods. This is where the ARGUMENTS scope comes in > > > - the setter methods take an argument, check it for validity and then > > > set a value in the VARIABLES scope. The VARIABLES scope remains > > > between method calls, acting as storage within the instance. > > > > > > On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What about the constructor function? Shouldn't I set the properties in > > > > the THIS scope when initializing a component? > > > > > > > > Also, what is the difference between the variables scope and the > > > > arguments scope withing a method? I have seen properties defined using > > > > the cfargument tag referenced in the method using both the arguments > > > > scope and the variables scope. > > > > > > -- > > > CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: > > > http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232674 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Compiling java source code
oh crud, I didn't put examples.jar into the class path, so it couldn't find the EmptyGateway stuff. Problem solved! Rick Rick Root wrote: > Barney Boisvert wrote: >> You have to include '.' in your CLASSPATH, or it won't pick it up. >> I'm not sure that's the problem, but I'm guessing SimpleGateway >> extends EmptyGateway? > > Yes... it's actually a copy of the Directory Watcher gateway, and I just > "simplified" it.. > > Okay.. I added "." to the classpath and I'm having the same problem. It > seems like it's just not picking up the stuff in the classpath. > > I get the same error if I set the CLASSPATH environment variable and if > I use the -classpath option (ie, javac -classpath blah:blah:blah foo.java) > > Could it have anything to do with java versions? the jre that > coldfusion uses (and that it was compiled with) was 1.4.2_05 ... I can't > seem to download anything but 1.4.2_10. Stupid sun doesn't seem to give > you an option to download previous versions. > > Rick > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232673 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Compiling java source code
Have you tried from within Eclipse, building the project to include the jars? On 2/17/06, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Barney Boisvert wrote: > > You have to include '.' in your CLASSPATH, or it won't pick it up. > > I'm not sure that's the problem, but I'm guessing SimpleGateway > > extends EmptyGateway? > > Yes... it's actually a copy of the Directory Watcher gateway, and I just > "simplified" it.. > > Okay.. I added "." to the classpath and I'm having the same problem. It > seems like it's just not picking up the stuff in the classpath. > > I get the same error if I set the CLASSPATH environment variable and if > I use the -classpath option (ie, javac -classpath blah:blah:blah foo.java) -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232672 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFC Newbie Question: Encapsulation
No, for the moment, forget THIS. > > should be The life cycle of the instance depends on where you put it. Instantiate it in the session scope, it lasts as long as the session. Similar for the application scope. The use of THIS is to make this bit work: Inside that, the init() method returns THIS That's the only time you need to use THIS in the whole component. On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The only use for THIS in an OO-based component is to return THIS at > > the end of the constructor. That returns the entire component for use > > as an instance. > > In Java, the constructer is for providing arguments with default > values. These default values can be the ones that are automaticly > assigned to each corresponding data type, or if you create a > constructer method it will be the values you specify. > > > The properties will be in the VARIABLES scope; they can be used via > > getter and setter methods. This is where the ARGUMENTS scope comes in > > - the setter methods take an argument, check it for validity and then > > set a value in the VARIABLES scope. The VARIABLES scope remains > > between method calls, acting as storage within the instance. > > So within my setter method I would do something like the following: > > > > > The intention would be to make the "name" property persist across > method calls? I don't think I really understand what that means. I am > thinking in terms of sessions and applications but I don't think their > related. If I assign something to the session scope, the variable > remains the same throught the entire session unless it is changed by > another assignment. If an object is instantiated, all properties in > the variable scope will remain the same on the calling page, but what > about on other pages? What is the life cycle of an instance? > > Sorry for all the questions... I hope someone else relieves you from > doing all the work of saving me from despair... > > Thanks so much, > Aaron > > On 2/16/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The only use for THIS in an OO-based component is to return THIS at > > the end of the constructor. That returns the entire component for use > > as an instance. > > > > The properties will be in the VARIABLES scope; they can be used via > > getter and setter methods. This is where the ARGUMENTS scope comes in > > - the setter methods take an argument, check it for validity and then > > set a value in the VARIABLES scope. The VARIABLES scope remains > > between method calls, acting as storage within the instance. > > > > On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What about the constructor function? Shouldn't I set the properties in > > > the THIS scope when initializing a component? > > > > > > Also, what is the difference between the variables scope and the > > > arguments scope withing a method? I have seen properties defined using > > > the cfargument tag referenced in the method using both the arguments > > > scope and the variables scope. > > > > -- > > CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: > > http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232671 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
The init() method might initialize all the properties and do any other cleanup necessary to give us a new, empty component; so in this example perhaps (some tag attributes ommitted because I'm lazy): After this we'd need to call setName(). The other option is to require the name to be part of the constructor: in both cases, setName() and getName() might be: Finally, insertJob(): INSERT INTO blah blah blah blah Keep reading the references, there are people with far more OO experience than I who will have better examples and better rules to follow. On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you James, > > I think I might climb out of this one. Things are still a bit ethereal > in my mind but I think I am begining to grasp it much more now. I > would like to see a mock-up of the code inside the component using > srategy number 2. [snip] -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232670 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Compiling java source code
Barney Boisvert wrote: > You have to include '.' in your CLASSPATH, or it won't pick it up. > I'm not sure that's the problem, but I'm guessing SimpleGateway > extends EmptyGateway? Yes... it's actually a copy of the Directory Watcher gateway, and I just "simplified" it.. Okay.. I added "." to the classpath and I'm having the same problem. It seems like it's just not picking up the stuff in the classpath. I get the same error if I set the CLASSPATH environment variable and if I use the -classpath option (ie, javac -classpath blah:blah:blah foo.java) Could it have anything to do with java versions? the jre that coldfusion uses (and that it was compiled with) was 1.4.2_05 ... I can't seem to download anything but 1.4.2_10. Stupid sun doesn't seem to give you an option to download previous versions. Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232669 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFC Newbie Question: Encapsulation
> The only use for THIS in an OO-based component is to return THIS at > the end of the constructor. That returns the entire component for use > as an instance. In Java, the constructer is for providing arguments with default values. These default values can be the ones that are automaticly assigned to each corresponding data type, or if you create a constructer method it will be the values you specify. > The properties will be in the VARIABLES scope; they can be used via > getter and setter methods. This is where the ARGUMENTS scope comes in > - the setter methods take an argument, check it for validity and then > set a value in the VARIABLES scope. The VARIABLES scope remains > between method calls, acting as storage within the instance. So within my setter method I would do something like the following: The intention would be to make the "name" property persist across method calls? I don't think I really understand what that means. I am thinking in terms of sessions and applications but I don't think their related. If I assign something to the session scope, the variable remains the same throught the entire session unless it is changed by another assignment. If an object is instantiated, all properties in the variable scope will remain the same on the calling page, but what about on other pages? What is the life cycle of an instance? Sorry for all the questions... I hope someone else relieves you from doing all the work of saving me from despair... Thanks so much, Aaron On 2/16/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The only use for THIS in an OO-based component is to return THIS at > the end of the constructor. That returns the entire component for use > as an instance. > > The properties will be in the VARIABLES scope; they can be used via > getter and setter methods. This is where the ARGUMENTS scope comes in > - the setter methods take an argument, check it for validity and then > set a value in the VARIABLES scope. The VARIABLES scope remains > between method calls, acting as storage within the instance. > > On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What about the constructor function? Shouldn't I set the properties in > > the THIS scope when initializing a component? > > > > Also, what is the difference between the variables scope and the > > arguments scope withing a method? I have seen properties defined using > > the cfargument tag referenced in the method using both the arguments > > scope and the variables scope. > > -- > CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: > http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232668 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
Thank you James, I think I might climb out of this one. Things are still a bit ethereal in my mind but I think I am begining to grasp it much more now. I would like to see a mock-up of the code inside the component using srategy number 2. Perhaps some comments explaining the relationship between the data in the psuedo-constructor with the set method and the relationship between the set method and the insert method would help. Of coarse, I can't expect anything since you have been entirely too kind already to help me out thus far ;) -Aaron P.S. I have been studying up on CFC's and trying to write code for about two-three weeks now and all I have is four, half-written components. I don't think I would ever get this if I wasn't working on it from 8-5 Monday thru Thursday and if I didn't have resources such as this list, multiple tutorials, books, and a subscription to vtc.com and communitymx.com. On 2/16/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It all comes down to your preference, at the end of the day. I think > your two choices make sense; the product thing is simple and you can > just pass arguments around as necessary for the straightforward > operations on the DB; the newsletter thing is more complex as we have > the user data and the newsletter data - we've already discussed making > the newsletter info an object in its own right that is a property of > the user. > > On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let me try and put some feet on that. > > > > If I am creating a series of methods that all manipulate information > > from a database such as product info, should I create a static of > > instance method? The product methods would include inserting, > > updating, deleting, and displaying a product and it's details. To me, > > it seems like that would be a "service" type of action and not > > something that would need to be instantiated, but that's just a guess. > > > > On the otherhand, I have a component with several methods that > > manipulate data from a database such as users and user's newsletters, > > shipping addres and billing address. The methods would insert, update, > > delete and display user(s) and user details such as shipping info, > > billing info, newsletter subscriptions, etc. This seems like it would > > be an instance but I'm not sure why. > > -- > CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: > http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232667 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: coldfusion and SQL2005
sorry...I was thinking of the term as analogous to parallelism...not in the application server context. On 2/16/06, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > no multiplexing...express edition is single processor only. > > SQL Server 2005 Express certainly does allow multiplexing. It only runs on > one processor, though. > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232666 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
It all comes down to your preference, at the end of the day. I think your two choices make sense; the product thing is simple and you can just pass arguments around as necessary for the straightforward operations on the DB; the newsletter thing is more complex as we have the user data and the newsletter data - we've already discussed making the newsletter info an object in its own right that is a property of the user. On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let me try and put some feet on that. > > If I am creating a series of methods that all manipulate information > from a database such as product info, should I create a static of > instance method? The product methods would include inserting, > updating, deleting, and displaying a product and it's details. To me, > it seems like that would be a "service" type of action and not > something that would need to be instantiated, but that's just a guess. > > On the otherhand, I have a component with several methods that > manipulate data from a database such as users and user's newsletters, > shipping addres and billing address. The methods would insert, update, > delete and display user(s) and user details such as shipping info, > billing info, newsletter subscriptions, etc. This seems like it would > be an instance but I'm not sure why. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232665 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFC Newbie Question: Encapsulation
The only use for THIS in an OO-based component is to return THIS at the end of the constructor. That returns the entire component for use as an instance. The properties will be in the VARIABLES scope; they can be used via getter and setter methods. This is where the ARGUMENTS scope comes in - the setter methods take an argument, check it for validity and then set a value in the VARIABLES scope. The VARIABLES scope remains between method calls, acting as storage within the instance. On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What about the constructor function? Shouldn't I set the properties in > the THIS scope when initializing a component? > > Also, what is the difference between the variables scope and the > arguments scope withing a method? I have seen properties defined using > the cfargument tag referenced in the method using both the arguments > scope and the variables scope. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232664 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
Let me try and put some feet on that. If I am creating a series of methods that all manipulate information from a database such as product info, should I create a static of instance method? The product methods would include inserting, updating, deleting, and displaying a product and it's details. To me, it seems like that would be a "service" type of action and not something that would need to be instantiated, but that's just a guess. On the otherhand, I have a component with several methods that manipulate data from a database such as users and user's newsletters, shipping addres and billing address. The methods would insert, update, delete and display user(s) and user details such as shipping info, billing info, newsletter subscriptions, etc. This seems like it would be an instance but I'm not sure why. -Aaron On 2/16/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My suggestion; if the CFC has multiple methods that will use the same > info, or that you want to share info, use an instance with properties > that you init(). If you are just using a collection of functions that > don't share info (almost a UDF collection but in a CFC) just make it > static. > > On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I still don't really understand when I should create a static > > component and when I should create an instance-based component. > > -- > CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: > http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232663 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
Ok, I'll compare a few ways of doing it (continuing this example). Regardless of the way your choose, the process is to somehow get the name to the CFC so that it can insert it into the database as part of the job. Way 1) This way puts the name into the THIS scope, from where the insert method can get it and use it in a DB insert: newJob.name=form.name; newJob.insertJob(); Way 2) This way puts the name into the VARIABLES scope via the setName() method, from where the insert method can get it and use it in a DB insert: newJob.setName(form.name); newJob.insertJob(); Way 3) This way takes the name as an argument, from where the insert method can get it and use it in a DB insert: newJob.insertJob(form.name); My preference is way 2. I can then type check the name in one place, no matter where I want to use it later - it means I can reuse the setName() method for other things (not just a subsequent DB insert). It also controls the alteration of the property, meaning I can enforce a CFLOCK around it within the method if necessary (I can't necessarily rely on that with the THIS scope way - I have to hope the person who set THIS used CFLOCK outside the component instead) but locking is a whole other discussion :-) On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >If you don't want the "name" variable to remain in the CFC between > method calls, pass it in as per newJob.insertJob(name=form.name). > > James, you just added a whole new dimension to my confusion. I know > you didn't mean to, but what is the difference between setJob() and > insertJob(). Obviously it must have something to do with the method > within the cfc, but what? This brings me back to when to use a static > component vs. instance components and rethinking how I write my > methods and properties. > > I feel like one of those newbies that approaches CFC's, thinks he can > do it, and then become hammered with confusion as psuedo code is > flushed out. I just want to push forward and not draw back, but like > so many others I have deadlines and I am already overdue. > > Somebody resue me! > > -Aaron > > On 2/16/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am looking at the following article by Rob Brooks-Bilson: > > > > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/javascript/2003/09/24/coldfusion_tips.html > > > > I know it is an old article, so it may not be up to date with "best > > practices." > > > > Anyways, I thought I had it down until I was introduced to the > > psuedo-constructor and instantiation. I thought I could just create > > arguements in my cfc's with the cfargument tag, and then pass the > > cfc's the arguments when invoking them. While that is an option, it > > seems to be the very basic of basic uses of CFC's and I am trying to > > leverage OOP development the best I can in ColdFusion. > > > > I still don't really understand when I should create a static > > component and when I should create an instance-based component. The > > CFWACK book is very vaque, and documentation is sparce. > > > > Now that you guys are clearifying how to pass an instance component > > arguments, I am begining to rethink my entire approach to writing > > methods and properties. I really hate learning the wrong way to do > > things first, and then learning how to do it right. > > > > Any help is very appreciated! > > > > -Aaron > > > > On 2/16/06, Alan Rother <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm sorry, are you asking if you should use the variables scope in the CFC > > > itself? > > > > > > If so, I don't recommend it. using variables. anything makes that > > > variable > > > available to all of the other methods in the cfc and basically trashes the > > > thread safeness of the cfc, that is if you are using the cfc in a > > > persistent > > > scope. If you are instantiating the cfc evertime you use it, then it's ok, > > > but under load it can really start to take a performance hit if you are > > > invoking on every hit to the page. > > > -- > > > Alan Rother > > > Macromedia Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232662 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFC Newbie Question: Encapsulation
What about the constructor function? Shouldn't I set the properties in
the THIS scope when initializing a component?
Also, what is the difference between the variables scope and the
arguments scope withing a method? I have seen properties defined using
the cfargument tag referenced in the method using both the arguments
scope and the variables scope.
-Aaron
On 2/16/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, encapsulation is an important part of OO and yes many people don't care.
>
> If you want to maintain the encapsulation, don't set thigns in the
> THIS scope - use a setter method to set them in the VARIABLES scope
> (and a getter method to get them out again):
>
>
> newUser = createobject("component", "user");
> newUser.setname("john");
>
>
> On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Friends,
> >
> > I am learning Java and CFC development in ColdFusion at the same time.
> > I keep going back and forth between the two because they complement
> > each other so well. Anyways, my question is not in regards to the
> > specifics of the language, but with OOP design patterns and
> > encapsulation.
> >
> > HERE IT GOES:
> >
> > In my Java book it says that if a method is public, a data filed could
> > be assigned a value directly, BUT doing so "violates an important
> > principle of object-oriented programming -- that of data hiding using
> > encapsulation.
> >
> > However, I have seen alot of CF developers write code that directly
> > assigns values to data fields in CFC's like the following:
> >
> > CALLING PAGE
> >
> >
> > newUser = createobject("component", "user");
> > newUser.name = "john"
> > newuser.setname();
> >
> >
> > COMPONENT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > init();
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
My suggestion; if the CFC has multiple methods that will use the same info, or that you want to share info, use an instance with properties that you init(). If you are just using a collection of functions that don't share info (almost a UDF collection but in a CFC) just make it static. On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I still don't really understand when I should create a static > component and when I should create an instance-based component. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232660 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
>If you don't want the "name" variable to remain in the CFC between method calls, pass it in as per newJob.insertJob(name=form.name). James, you just added a whole new dimension to my confusion. I know you didn't mean to, but what is the difference between setJob() and insertJob(). Obviously it must have something to do with the method within the cfc, but what? This brings me back to when to use a static component vs. instance components and rethinking how I write my methods and properties. I feel like one of those newbies that approaches CFC's, thinks he can do it, and then become hammered with confusion as psuedo code is flushed out. I just want to push forward and not draw back, but like so many others I have deadlines and I am already overdue. Somebody resue me! -Aaron On 2/16/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am looking at the following article by Rob Brooks-Bilson: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/javascript/2003/09/24/coldfusion_tips.html > > I know it is an old article, so it may not be up to date with "best > practices." > > Anyways, I thought I had it down until I was introduced to the > psuedo-constructor and instantiation. I thought I could just create > arguements in my cfc's with the cfargument tag, and then pass the > cfc's the arguments when invoking them. While that is an option, it > seems to be the very basic of basic uses of CFC's and I am trying to > leverage OOP development the best I can in ColdFusion. > > I still don't really understand when I should create a static > component and when I should create an instance-based component. The > CFWACK book is very vaque, and documentation is sparce. > > Now that you guys are clearifying how to pass an instance component > arguments, I am begining to rethink my entire approach to writing > methods and properties. I really hate learning the wrong way to do > things first, and then learning how to do it right. > > Any help is very appreciated! > > -Aaron > > On 2/16/06, Alan Rother <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sorry, are you asking if you should use the variables scope in the CFC > > itself? > > > > If so, I don't recommend it. using variables. anything makes that variable > > available to all of the other methods in the cfc and basically trashes the > > thread safeness of the cfc, that is if you are using the cfc in a persistent > > scope. If you are instantiating the cfc evertime you use it, then it's ok, > > but under load it can really start to take a performance hit if you are > > invoking on every hit to the page. > > -- > > Alan Rother > > Macromedia Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232659 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFC Newbie Question: Encapsulation
Yes, encapsulation is an important part of OO and yes many people don't care.
If you want to maintain the encapsulation, don't set thigns in the
THIS scope - use a setter method to set them in the VARIABLES scope
(and a getter method to get them out again):
newUser = createobject("component", "user");
newUser.setname("john");
On 2/17/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Friends,
>
> I am learning Java and CFC development in ColdFusion at the same time.
> I keep going back and forth between the two because they complement
> each other so well. Anyways, my question is not in regards to the
> specifics of the language, but with OOP design patterns and
> encapsulation.
>
> HERE IT GOES:
>
> In my Java book it says that if a method is public, a data filed could
> be assigned a value directly, BUT doing so "violates an important
> principle of object-oriented programming -- that of data hiding using
> encapsulation.
>
> However, I have seen alot of CF developers write code that directly
> assigns values to data fields in CFC's like the following:
>
> CALLING PAGE
>
>
> newUser = createobject("component", "user");
> newUser.name = "john"
> newuser.setname();
>
>
> COMPONENT
>
>
>
>
> init();
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
~|
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Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
I am looking at the following article by Rob Brooks-Bilson: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/javascript/2003/09/24/coldfusion_tips.html I know it is an old article, so it may not be up to date with "best practices." Anyways, I thought I had it down until I was introduced to the psuedo-constructor and instantiation. I thought I could just create arguements in my cfc's with the cfargument tag, and then pass the cfc's the arguments when invoking them. While that is an option, it seems to be the very basic of basic uses of CFC's and I am trying to leverage OOP development the best I can in ColdFusion. I still don't really understand when I should create a static component and when I should create an instance-based component. The CFWACK book is very vaque, and documentation is sparce. Now that you guys are clearifying how to pass an instance component arguments, I am begining to rethink my entire approach to writing methods and properties. I really hate learning the wrong way to do things first, and then learning how to do it right. Any help is very appreciated! -Aaron On 2/16/06, Alan Rother <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sorry, are you asking if you should use the variables scope in the CFC > itself? > > If so, I don't recommend it. using variables. anything makes that variable > available to all of the other methods in the cfc and basically trashes the > thread safeness of the cfc, that is if you are using the cfc in a persistent > scope. If you are instantiating the cfc evertime you use it, then it's ok, > but under load it can really start to take a performance hit if you are > invoking on every hit to the page. > -- > Alan Rother > Macromedia Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232657 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
The variables scope of the CFC is there to be used for properties that should be available between different method calls (one of the most useful bits of OO). It's like the THIS scope only it's protected with regards to the CFC instance. To make it thread safe, use CFLOCK. As for the original question, which was: --- My question is in regards to the differences between newJob.name = form.name; newJob.insertJob(); and newJob.insertJob(name=form.name); If you want to have the "name" variable available for more than one method, set it as a property, but don't use the direct assignment newJob.name = form.name, use a setter method newJob.setName(form.name) which sets it in the VARIABLES scope. This gives you the opportunity to check the data when set, before the insert method is called. If you don't want the "name" variable to remain in the CFC between method calls, pass it in as per newJob.insertJob(name=form.name). On 2/17/06, Alan Rother <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sorry, are you asking if you should use the variables scope in the CFC > itself? > > If so, I don't recommend it. using variables. anything makes that variable > available to all of the other methods in the cfc and basically trashes the > thread safeness of the cfc, that is if you are using the cfc in a persistent > scope. If you are instantiating the cfc evertime you use it, then it's ok, > but under load it can really start to take a performance hit if you are > invoking on every hit to the page. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232656 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: if not exists (SQL) question
My guess would be that because the first SELECT is part on the condition, IF NOT EXISTS(SELECT...), it doesn't return a result set. Move the SELECT out of the condition and do some different logic. Adrian -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 February 2006 00:37 To: CF-Talk Subject: if not exists (SQL) question I have a query similar to the following: declare @emailLinkID int if not exists ( select emailLinkID from emailLinks where linkURL='https://www.someurl.com' ) begin insert into emailLinks ( linkURL ) values ( 'https://www.someurl.com, ) set @emailLinkID = @@IDENTITY select @emailLinkID as emailLinkID end This works fine when the record doesn't exist. But it doesn't return the id if the record does exist. What am I doing wrong? Russ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232655 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
if not exists (SQL) question
I have a query similar to the following: declare @emailLinkID int if not exists ( select emailLinkID from emailLinks where linkURL='https://www.someurl.com' ) begin insert into emailLinks ( linkURL ) values ( 'https://www.someurl.com, ) set @emailLinkID = @@IDENTITY select @emailLinkID as emailLinkID end This works fine when the record doesn't exist. But it doesn't return the id if the record does exist. What am I doing wrong? Russ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232654 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Shopping Cart qty problems.
here is the code... Quantity: #idx# -Original Message- From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Shopping Cart qty problems. Going to need a little more than that :) It sounds like you are only outputting the last qty value for all of them though. -or- you are updating them all to the last qty's value somewhere. ...:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Phillip Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Shopping Cart qty problems. Hi, I have a cart that displays the qty in a drop down list. The list is from 1 - max qty in the DB. The problem is that if the user chooses more than one item, all items qty's become the same as the last item chosen. Example: item 1qty chosen 4; qty after item 2 = 2 item 2qty chosen 2; qty stays the same. and the qty for each item goes to 1 when the user decides to checkout also. Any help is appreciated. Phil ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232653 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: lincense on a test server?
> Having said that, it does say "making team development even easier", which > does seem to imply that a team can use it, up to the allowed IP address > (local + 2). and that's what's so unclear. If you have a router and the web server is inside that router...all calls to that web server from behind that router go out to the web and back in through the router as a request coming from that routers IP. So everyone on the network that the router serves appear to be a single IP to the server. Dave Watts warns that would go aginst the spirit of the agreement...others say this setup seems valid if you only consider the exact wording of the agreement. So Ben if Adobemedia can cough up an answer it will go a long way ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232652 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: coldfusion and SQL2005
> no multiplexing...express edition is single processor only. SQL Server 2005 Express certainly does allow multiplexing. It only runs on one processor, though. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232651 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: lincense on a test server?
Russ, that's a little unclear. Developer's Edition is meant for LOCAL development, as explained in this page that lists the editions: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/product_editions/ ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Edition ColdFusion MX 7 Developer is a free, fully functional version of ColdFusion for local development of applications that will be deployed on either Standard or Enterprise servers. In addition to localhost, access to applications running on a Developer Edition server is now possible from two client machines, making team development even easier. Having said that, it does say "making team development even easier", which does seem to imply that a team can use it, up to the allowed IP address (local + 2). --- Ben -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? So even if I'm developing my apps on a dedicated box (not my laptop), but I'm the only one developing on it, I need a license? That seems a bit much... > -Original Message- > From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:20 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? > > Russ, > > The Developer's Edition is intended for local development, if you have > a shared development box then you do indeed need a fully licensed product. > The > additional IP address were actually allowed because testing some > features may require being able to process requests from multiple > addresses. The EULA may indeed be confusing, and I'll pass that note > along to the product management folks. The official statement (look at > the product page) is local IP address and two other addresses, as in > local development and maybe testing from another machine, too. > > --- Ben > > > -Original Message- > From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:15 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? > > Well the license mentions that you're only allowed to use only 1 ip, > yet we've heard from many sources and the physical product allows 2 > ips. Are we violating the license if we access it from 2 different > ips? Yes. Are the courts going to see it this way? I doubt it. > > The point is I believe it's reasonable to use the developer edition > for development only, and if I have to put in a workaround to make the > requests from all the developers go through one ip, I believe that's > reasonable. > The > spirit of the license is to use the developer edition for development > only, and not for any sort of production use. The ip restriction is > of little consequence as far as I see it, but perhaps someone from > macromedia can elaborate. > > For the record, we all use licensed servers as well, but in getting a > N- Tier configuration to work, I noticed that CF only sees 1 ip when > the requests are coming from another server and are proxied. I > actually had to write a filter to get CF to see the actual ip of the > user. > > Russ > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:03 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? > > > > > how so Dave...it's just 1 IP and being used for development? > > > Is there mention of router and othr devices in the licensing? > > > > No, there's no mention of routers or proxies or any other > > workarounds in the license. Believe it or not, licenses, like any > > other legal documents, are meant to be interpreted reasonably. The > > license clearly states that you may only access the developer > > edition from one external IP address. You would have a very > > difficult time making a case before a court that your "technical" > > workaround doesn't violate the spirit of the license, if not the > > letter of it. And again, believe it or not, the spirit and intent of > > a legal document can matter quite a bit. You simply wouldn't have a leg to stand on. > > If you got as far as a deposition, you'd get skewered - and it > > wouldn't get any farther than that. > > > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232650 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
I'm sorry, are you asking if you should use the variables scope in the CFC itself? If so, I don't recommend it. using variables. anything makes that variable available to all of the other methods in the cfc and basically trashes the thread safeness of the cfc, that is if you are using the cfc in a persistent scope. If you are instantiating the cfc evertime you use it, then it's ok, but under load it can really start to take a performance hit if you are invoking on every hit to the page. -- Alan Rother Macromedia Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232649 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: lincense on a test server?
Thanks...good to know (soemone else asked on-list today so I figured I'd bring it forward whilst yer watching) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232648 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
On 2/16/06, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > newJob.insertJob(argumentCollection=variables.args); The only problem with doing this is in 7, CF won't let you, you have to do argumentCollection = Duplicate(form) Or something I do newJob.insertJob(argumentCollection = form) > > The form scope is already a structure/collection. > > > -- > Ian Skinner > Web Programmer > BloodSource > www.BloodSource.org > Sacramento, CA > > - > | 1 | | > - Binary Soduko > | | | > - > > "C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!" > - Cynthia Dunning > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232647 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Book Search: Java for Coldfusion Developers by Eben Hewitt
Nathan, I read a chapter from Head First Java from the O'Reily website. I am definately going to think about adding this to my collection and inputing it into my brain. Thanks, Aaron On 2/16/06, Nathan Strutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Back to CF and Java, Instead of getting Eben's Java for CF'ers book, I > recommend Head First Java, which is a much more entertaining read (no > offense to anyone related to Eb's book), and as a CF developer, I will > confess it is a great, great book to read. Eben's book, from my > memory, is mostly for CF5 and earlier developers, and those with > little to no object knowledge. > > Head First Java is still being published and sold (like crazy), and is > available from most bookstores. It will take anyone with a mild amount > of programming knowledge and bring them up to speed with Java in an > entertaining way. > > -nathan strutz > http://www.dopefly.com/ > > > On 2/16/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Eben is your lord? > > > > That is funny... > > > > >God forgives, the RIAA doesn't. :) > > > > That is presumption. I choose not to make the grace of God a license > > to sin. Repentance (turning from sin) is a prerequisite to > > forgiveness. Not to get serious on you, but had to state the fact. > > > > -Aaron > > > > On 2/16/06, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Aaron Roberson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:21 PM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: Re: Book Search: Java for Coldfusion Developers by Eben Hewitt > > > > > > > > Gmail is acting really weird today... > > > > > > > > Jim Davis and Brad Wood's last posts were just listed in my > > > > conversation. I responded to Michael's last post, but never recieved > > > > the two preceeding it until just now. Really weird. > > > > > > > > Well, I agree with the rest of you. IF Eben has the copyright, I would > > > > definately send him some cash. If he doesn't but there is an e-book > > > > out there that has been pirated, I am not interested. Understanding > > > > Java and ColdFusion is not worth the seperation that would result from > > > > sinning against my Lord. > > > > > > Eben is your lord? > > > > > > Jeeze... I knew he was good, but I didn't know he had worshippers! ;^) > > > > > > Jim Davis > > > > > > >Sorry - I'm in a twisted mood.< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232646 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: lincense on a test server?
So even if I'm developing my apps on a dedicated box (not my laptop), but I'm the only one developing on it, I need a license? That seems a bit much... > -Original Message- > From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:20 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? > > Russ, > > The Developer's Edition is intended for local development, if you have a > shared development box then you do indeed need a fully licensed product. > The > additional IP address were actually allowed because testing some features > may require being able to process requests from multiple addresses. The > EULA > may indeed be confusing, and I'll pass that note along to the product > management folks. The official statement (look at the product page) is > local > IP address and two other addresses, as in local development and maybe > testing from another machine, too. > > --- Ben > > > -Original Message- > From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:15 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? > > Well the license mentions that you're only allowed to use only 1 ip, yet > we've heard from many sources and the physical product allows 2 ips. Are > we > violating the license if we access it from 2 different ips? Yes. Are the > courts going to see it this way? I doubt it. > > The point is I believe it's reasonable to use the developer edition for > development only, and if I have to put in a workaround to make the > requests > from all the developers go through one ip, I believe that's reasonable. > The > spirit of the license is to use the developer edition for development > only, > and not for any sort of production use. The ip restriction is of little > consequence as far as I see it, but perhaps someone from macromedia can > elaborate. > > For the record, we all use licensed servers as well, but in getting a N- > Tier > configuration to work, I noticed that CF only sees 1 ip when the requests > are coming from another server and are proxied. I actually had to write a > filter to get CF to see the actual ip of the user. > > Russ > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:03 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? > > > > > how so Dave...it's just 1 IP and being used for development? > > > Is there mention of router and othr devices in the licensing? > > > > No, there's no mention of routers or proxies or any other workarounds > > in the license. Believe it or not, licenses, like any other legal > > documents, are meant to be interpreted reasonably. The license clearly > > states that you may only access the developer edition from one > > external IP address. You would have a very difficult time making a > > case before a court that your "technical" workaround doesn't violate > > the spirit of the license, if not the letter of it. And again, believe > > it or not, the spirit and intent of a legal document can matter quite > > a bit. You simply wouldn't have a leg to stand on. > > If you got as far as a deposition, you'd get skewered - and it > > wouldn't get any farther than that. > > > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232645 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: coldfusion and SQL2005
True... although SQL 2000 MSDE did support multiplexing. Perhaps you can set up more then 1 instance, and set up some kind of replication between them. I haven't looked into all the features sql 2005 express supports, but replication might be one of them. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Jim Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:24 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: coldfusion and SQL2005 > > no multiplexing...express edition is single processor only. > > On 2/16/06, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Isn't the free version 2GB ram cap or something? Why not just use that? > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232644 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
> Well, ideally you should'nt be doing an invoke every time you call the CFC. > The best way to do this is to have the CFC instantiated into a persistent > scope, then you can can just call the methods as often as needed without > taking the performance hit of the invoke. Ummm...you can use CFINVOKE with an already instatiated CFC... Just to be clear ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232642 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
Allan and Ian that is quite helpful.
I am wondering, should I use the variable scope within my component? I
have seen several variations to this as well:
#arguments.name#
#variables.name#
And in the pseudo-constructor, I have seen this:
Thanks for helping me clear away the confusion, I am pretty bogged
down with all of these nuances at present.
-Aaron
On 2/16/06, Alan Rother <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you have many args to pass in, I do it like this
>
>
> //instantiate the component
> newJob = createObject("component","job");
> //create the arg structure
> variables.args = StructNew();
> //assign the args
> variables.args.Val1 = Form.Field1;
> variables.args.Val2 = Form.Field2;
> variables.args.Val3 = Form.Field3;
> variables.args.Val4 = Form.Field4;
> variables.args.Val5 = Form.Field5;
> variables.args.Val6 = Form.Field6;
> variables.args.Val7 = Form.Field7;
> //call the method and pass in the arg collection
> newJob.insertJob(argumentCollection=variables.args);
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> --
> Alan Rother
> Macromedia Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>
>
>
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RE: lincense on a test server?
Each developer is running Developer Edition locally? Then you are fine. Where the web root is is a non-issue in this case. The CF server being used is responding to local requests, then you are fine. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: lincense on a test server? > The Developer's Edition is intended for local development, if you have > a shared development box then you do indeed need a fully licensed > product. The additional IP address were actually allowed because > testing some features may require being able to process requests from > multiple addresses. The EULA may indeed be confusing, and I'll pass > that note along to the product management folks. The official > statement (look at the product page) is local IP address and two other > addresses, as in local development and maybe testing from another machine, too. > > --- Ben Ben what about each develper having a local copy of the dev version working off a network share holding the app (where they run their files through their local server)? BTW...thaks for bringing that vagueness up with the crew ;-) Thanks Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232641 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Suggestion for the list
>>Please don't. If somebody adds [SOLVED] or something to the subject, it still has to go in the same thread. I would say that 1. only a few percentage of modified subjects are modified for that purpose. 2. in almost all cases a "SOLVED" question actually starts a completely different conversation any way ;-) 3. Most of the time, modified subjects are completely new subjects >>Moreover, it is a direct violation of RFC 2822: >>In all cases, it is the meaning that the sender of the message wishes to convey Please come on: how many users actually know that there exists an ID and REFERENCE header in a reply, and use them to mean anything? How many even care about "headers" in messages? ;-) Please use your imagination instead of brandishing RFCs ;-) There are plenty of options and conventions one could imagine to keep modified subjects in the same thread if we want: - uppercase, or brackets, etc. - if the new subject contains the old one, for instance "mySubject SOLVED" in thread "myThread" would not create a new thread, but "I know nothing about threads anyway" woul create a new one. The idea is that people wanting to definitely stay in the new thread would know how to do, others wanting to start a new thread don't even know they don't. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232640 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
> newJob.insertJob(argumentCollection=variables.args); Or something I do newJob.insertJob(argumentCollection = form) The form scope is already a structure/collection. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - "C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!" - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232639 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
Well, ideally you should'nt be doing an invoke every time you call the CFC. The best way to do this is to have the CFC instantiated into a persistent scope, then you can can just call the methods as often as needed without taking the performance hit of the invoke. you can also do it this way, assuming your formfields are named the same as your arguments myCFC.myMethod(Duplicate(Form)); This will properly send all of the form fields to the method in a fairly thread safe manner. If you are going to reset all those vars why bother with argcollectin?..just > type out your invokeargs...you've almost done that anyway ;-) -- > Alan Rother > Macromedia Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232638 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Book Search: Java for Coldfusion Developers by Eben Hewitt
Back to CF and Java, Instead of getting Eben's Java for CF'ers book, I recommend Head First Java, which is a much more entertaining read (no offense to anyone related to Eb's book), and as a CF developer, I will confess it is a great, great book to read. Eben's book, from my memory, is mostly for CF5 and earlier developers, and those with little to no object knowledge. Head First Java is still being published and sold (like crazy), and is available from most bookstores. It will take anyone with a mild amount of programming knowledge and bring them up to speed with Java in an entertaining way. -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ On 2/16/06, Aaron Roberson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Eben is your lord? > > That is funny... > > >God forgives, the RIAA doesn't. :) > > That is presumption. I choose not to make the grace of God a license > to sin. Repentance (turning from sin) is a prerequisite to > forgiveness. Not to get serious on you, but had to state the fact. > > -Aaron > > On 2/16/06, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Aaron Roberson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:21 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: Re: Book Search: Java for Coldfusion Developers by Eben Hewitt > > > > > > Gmail is acting really weird today... > > > > > > Jim Davis and Brad Wood's last posts were just listed in my > > > conversation. I responded to Michael's last post, but never recieved > > > the two preceeding it until just now. Really weird. > > > > > > Well, I agree with the rest of you. IF Eben has the copyright, I would > > > definately send him some cash. If he doesn't but there is an e-book > > > out there that has been pirated, I am not interested. Understanding > > > Java and ColdFusion is not worth the seperation that would result from > > > sinning against my Lord. > > > > Eben is your lord? > > > > Jeeze... I knew he was good, but I didn't know he had worshippers! ;^) > > > > Jim Davis > > > > >Sorry - I'm in a twisted mood.< > > > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232637 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
> If you have many args to pass in, I do it like this
>
>
> //instantiate the component
> newJob = createObject("component","job");
> //create the arg structure
> variables.args = StructNew();
> //assign the args
> variables.args.Val1 = Form.Field1;
> variables.args.Val2 = Form.Field2;
> variables.args.Val3 = Form.Field3;
> variables.args.Val4 = Form.Field4;
> variables.args.Val5 = Form.Field5;
> variables.args.Val6 = Form.Field6;
> variables.args.Val7 = Form.Field7;
> //call the method and pass in the arg collection
> newJob.insertJob(argumentCollection=variables.args);
>
>
If you are going to reset all those vars why bother with argcollectin?..just
type out your invokeargs...you've almost done that anyway ;-)
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Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
and you nailed it...preferences...that means there is no "better" option ;-) I prefer option 2...1 line of code Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232635 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
If you have many args to pass in, I do it like this
//instantiate the component
newJob = createObject("component","job");
//create the arg structure
variables.args = StructNew();
//assign the args
variables.args.Val1 = Form.Field1;
variables.args.Val2 = Form.Field2;
variables.args.Val3 = Form.Field3;
variables.args.Val4 = Form.Field4;
variables.args.Val5 = Form.Field5;
variables.args.Val6 = Form.Field6;
variables.args.Val7 = Form.Field7;
//call the method and pass in the arg collection
newJob.insertJob(argumentCollection=variables.args);
HTH
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RE: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
Bryan, My question is in regards to the differences between newJob.name = form.name; newJob.insertJob(); and newJob.insertJob(name=form.name); What are the differences between the two? Which is "better"? In the first form, your instance variables are public, not private. A lot of OOP types do not like this. There are some good reasons for not doing this, but no law about it. The second method would allow the instance variables to all be private, in the variables scope. This is definitely preferred by a lot of developers. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - "C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!" - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232633 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Email to database
http://store.newmediadevelopment.net/cfx_tag.cfm?ProductID=15 more exact link >>-Original Message- >>From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: 16 February 2006 23:29 >>To: CF-Talk >>Subject: RE: Email to database >> >> >>Hi Les, >> >>I've just been working on a project to do this, you are welcome >>to the code. >> >>Mail me off list and I'll send you what I have. >> >>I've made use of the imap4 tag http://www.newmediadevelopment.net/ >> >>I didn't have much luck with cfpop. >> >>Jenny >> -Original Message- From: Les Irvin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 February 2006 18:54 To: CF-Talk Subject: Email to database Can anyone give me an idea how to programmatically insert email into a database using cold fusion? I'd like to take a daily digest post from a mailing list and have it automatically inserted into a database. Possible? Thanks in advance, Les >> >> ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232632 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Email to database
Hi Les, I've just been working on a project to do this, you are welcome to the code. Mail me off list and I'll send you what I have. I've made use of the imap4 tag http://www.newmediadevelopment.net/ I didn't have much luck with cfpop. Jenny >>-Original Message- >>From: Les Irvin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: 16 February 2006 18:54 >>To: CF-Talk >>Subject: Email to database >> >> >>Can anyone give me an idea how to programmatically insert email into a >>database using cold fusion? I'd like to take a daily digest post from a >>mailing list and have it automatically inserted into a database. >>Possible? >> >> >>Thanks in advance, >>Les >> >> >> ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232631 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
Bryan, My question is in regards to the differences between newJob.name = form.name; newJob.insertJob(); and newJob.insertJob(name=form.name); What are the differences between the two? Which is "better"? On 2/16/06, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are even more ways than thathave a look at CFOBJECT, CFINVOKE and > CFINVOKEARGUMENT...they are far clearer than the CFSCRIPT equivalents IMHO > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > phone: 250.480.0642 > fax: 250.480.1264 > cell: 250.920.8830 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > web: www.electricedgesystems.com > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232630 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: coldfusion and SQL2005
no multiplexing...express edition is single processor only. On 2/16/06, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't the free version 2GB ram cap or something? Why not just use that? > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232629 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: lincense on a test server?
> The Developer's Edition is intended for local development, if you have a > shared development box then you do indeed need a fully licensed product. The > additional IP address were actually allowed because testing some features > may require being able to process requests from multiple addresses. The EULA > may indeed be confusing, and I'll pass that note along to the product > management folks. The official statement (look at the product page) is local > IP address and two other addresses, as in local development and maybe > testing from another machine, too. > > --- Ben Ben what about each develper having a local copy of the dev version working off a network share holding the app (where they run their files through their local server)? BTW...thaks for bringing that vagueness up with the crew ;-) Thanks Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232628 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
There are even more ways than thathave a look at CFOBJECT, CFINVOKE and CFINVOKEARGUMENT...they are far clearer than the CFSCRIPT equivalents IMHO Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232627 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: lincense on a test server?
Russ, The Developer's Edition is intended for local development, if you have a shared development box then you do indeed need a fully licensed product. The additional IP address were actually allowed because testing some features may require being able to process requests from multiple addresses. The EULA may indeed be confusing, and I'll pass that note along to the product management folks. The official statement (look at the product page) is local IP address and two other addresses, as in local development and maybe testing from another machine, too. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? Well the license mentions that you're only allowed to use only 1 ip, yet we've heard from many sources and the physical product allows 2 ips. Are we violating the license if we access it from 2 different ips? Yes. Are the courts going to see it this way? I doubt it. The point is I believe it's reasonable to use the developer edition for development only, and if I have to put in a workaround to make the requests from all the developers go through one ip, I believe that's reasonable. The spirit of the license is to use the developer edition for development only, and not for any sort of production use. The ip restriction is of little consequence as far as I see it, but perhaps someone from macromedia can elaborate. For the record, we all use licensed servers as well, but in getting a N-Tier configuration to work, I noticed that CF only sees 1 ip when the requests are coming from another server and are proxied. I actually had to write a filter to get CF to see the actual ip of the user. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:03 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? > > > how so Dave...it's just 1 IP and being used for development? > > Is there mention of router and othr devices in the licensing? > > No, there's no mention of routers or proxies or any other workarounds > in the license. Believe it or not, licenses, like any other legal > documents, are meant to be interpreted reasonably. The license clearly > states that you may only access the developer edition from one > external IP address. You would have a very difficult time making a > case before a court that your "technical" workaround doesn't violate > the spirit of the license, if not the letter of it. And again, believe > it or not, the spirit and intent of a legal document can matter quite > a bit. You simply wouldn't have a leg to stand on. > If you got as far as a deposition, you'd get skewered - and it > wouldn't get any farther than that. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232626 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Instantiating CFC's and Passing in Arguments
How do I do it?
I have seen something that looks like this:
// create a job componet object
newJob = createObject("component", "job");
// now set the properties of if from our form
newJob.name = form.name;
// now insert job into the database
newJob.insertJob();
And I have seen it done like this:
newJob = createObject("component","job");
newJob.insertJob(name=form.name);
Which is correct? What if I had 10 arguments that all needed values,
would I pass them in like so:
newJob.insertJob(id=form.id, name=form.name, location=form.location, etc. etc);
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RE: coldfusion and SQL2005
Isn't the free version 2GB ram cap or something? Why not just use that? > -Original Message- > From: J W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:26 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: coldfusion and SQL2005 > > Well the boss bit the bullet and we ordered SQL2005 Workgroup edition. The > version allows multiplexing, but has a 2 socket limitation and a 3 gig RAM > cap. Some other misc features are missing but according to Microsoft > themselves that is acceptable. Instead of around 9k it was around 6k. An > FYI > in case anyone is thinking of doing the same. > > Thanks everyone for their input. > Jeff > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232624 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Suggestion for the list
> Please don't. If somebody adds [SOLVED] or something to the > subject, it still has to go in the same thread. Moreover, it is a > direct violation of RFC 2822: > > In all cases, it is the meaning that the sender > of the message wishes to convey (i.e., whether this is the same > message or a different message) that determines whether or > not the "Message-ID:" field changes, not any particular syntactic > difference that appears (or does not appear) in the message. > RFC 2822, 3.6.4 I would think there oughta be a way to tell if a person is hijacking a thread, or if it's a minor modification of an original thread. I could be wrong, but I'd think it could be done. This all started with people saying gmail threading is hosed by this stuff. My 2 cents: I tried using gmail for mailing lists, but I didn't like it. I am very anal about using filters to sort incoming messages. Gmail allows this (i.e., put all cf-talk messages in their own folder). However, you don't get a new message alert if the message skips the inbox. So I was always finding a load of messages I didn't know about. The reason I use alerts is so that I don't HAVE to look at my inbox every 5 minutes. However, I do use gmail for a lot of non-mailing list email, and I love it. - [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232623 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Suggestion for the list
Claude Schneegans wrote: > > I know, when one needs to start a new subject, it is much easier to > reply any message and change the subject > than start a new message and look for the list address in one's address > book. > > The problem is that the reply still contains a reference to the message > supposedly replied to, > and remains in the same thread. This is not convenient when one is > looking back at threads later. If you don't find that convenient when looking back at threads, why don't you get an email client that threads the way you want it to thread? > My suggestion, if it is possible, would be to remove the References: > header from any message > when the subject is not the same (Except for Re:) before resending it to > members. > This way, it will look like a true new subject for all. That would mean I would loose the ability to recognize and prioritize responses to messages I sent (their References header matches my messageID). Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232622 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: license on a test server?
> Yeah I see your point Russ (and do read it that way as > well)...that said...I bet Dave has heard (given all those > deposition mentions) that he knows of someone that tried that > got spanked ;-) I haven't attended any depositions about software licensing, specifically. I have been deposed as an expert witness on other IT matters, and I have a good idea about how depositions and trials work. The lawyers tend not to be technically knowledgeable. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232621 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: coldfusion and SQL2005
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Re: Suggestion for the list
Michael Dinowitz wrote: > A bug in my thinking. I wrote the code for the archives rather than the mail > client and even though a message might force a new thread in the archives, it > keeps the old reply id. I'll have that fixed. Please don't. If somebody adds [SOLVED] or something to the subject, it still has to go in the same thread. Moreover, it is a direct violation of RFC 2822: In all cases, it is the meaning that the sender of the message wishes to convey (i.e., whether this is the same message or a different message) that determines whether or not the "Message-ID:" field changes, not any particular syntactic difference that appears (or does not appear) in the message. RFC 2822, 3.6.4 Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232619 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Suggestion for the list
>>I bet a lot of the 'lazy' people are in the same boat. It is not always a question of being lazy. Perhaps some do not use a message reader with the ability to classify messages by threads. Or people are too lazy to turn it on ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232618 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: license on a test server?
> BTW I thought it was "All-knowing", not "Mighty"? Did he get promoted? Well I did dub the other Dave (Lyons) "The Disruptor" ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232617 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: samle gateway?
That would need to be a scheduled job then. A trigger is fired at the exact moment the event fires if you will. So if 10 people are in his chat room (and presumably there is a record for each one) and all ten of them simply closed their browser windows without logging out properly, he would be stuck with ten records in the table and there would be no triggers being fired at that time. Now he could use a trigger to check for any other records which may have timed out when another arbitrary record is modified, but in the above scenario, those expired records would be stuck there until the next activity on that table. Also, if this is an active table in the database, a trigger would most likely be fired much more often than necessary creating needless overhead. >Ok if a trigger can only be fired on the insert, delete or modify events. >But since Rick's goal was to remove a record that was 10 seconds old, I >would have thought that could possibly have been handled somehow with >internal resources at least for some DBMS. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232616 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Suggestion for the list
>>No, what if I wanted to declare a thread that began with a question as SOLVED or ANSWERED I see your point, but in IMO, loosing this possibility would be minor compared to the advantages of automaically create new threads for new conversations. By the way, I do not see people bother noticing their qustion is solved or answered very often ;-) But since this thread is about suggestions, how about eliminating all upper case characters from the subject before comparing them ? Then people like you who take the trouble of noticing others the question is answered would know that if the use upper case, the message will remain in the same thread. People who change the subject in the same thread do not use upper case generally. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232615 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF Blackbery App
For anyone who is interested in this kind of thing, I found a solution that works, using cfhttp. I think I could push content using something like this too but I haven't got that far yet. http://myServerIP/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&PORT=7874&REQUESTURI=/" port="8080">
RE: license on a test server?
LOL... Don't worry, I'm sure my Mom has called me worse. BTW I thought it was "All-knowing", not "Mighty"? Did he get promoted? !K -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 16, 2006 3:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: license on a test server? > ... no offence to the Mighty Mr. Watts...but I want to have > it from the horses mouth. Don't worry, no offense taken. Many people have told me what part of the horse I am. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232613 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: license on a test server?
> The license doesn't say anything about the number of users allowed to access > the dev server, only the number of IPS. If they really wanted to limit the > development, they would say that only 2 developers can access the > development server from the same time. They, however, intentionally wrote > that it's limited by the number of ips that can access it, so if you use a > workaround (or happen to work in an environment where this is somehow the > case, such as an n-tier system), I don't see why that would violate the > license agreement. > > I'm sure Adobe makes some money selling licenses for dev servers, and I'm > sure that some companies would rather pay that then try to figure out a > workaround, but some companies might not be able to afford having a full > licensed copy on their dev server. And they shouldn't have to. > > Russ Yeah I see your point Russ (and do read it that way as well)...that said...I bet Dave has heard (given all those deposition mentions) that he knows of someone that tried that got spanked ;-) Thus my wish for a crystal clear ruling from Adobemedia Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232612 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFC & cftransaction
> I also like "AC/DC" ... "DB Deeds Done Dirt Cheap?" Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232611 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: lincense on a test server?
Sorry man... perhaps a little exaggerated. I honestly think CF would prosper more quickly if it wasn't as expensive as it is, but I also respect the guys who make it happen and the companies that push the software to succeed. I completely agree that there needs to be an official answer, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to be the way some would like it to be. =] Sincerely, !K -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 16, 2006 3:42 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: lincense on a test server? > Actually, considering the discussion went from "Is this possible?" to "How > to get around a software restriction". I'd say that some true believers > aren't practicing what they preach. I'm not saying that being cost effective > isn't a good idea, but openly discussing how to screw over the company > that's feeding your kids by breaking the rules is a stretch to say the > least. Little harsh there Kev (discussing how to screw the company)I think it's fair to say the wording from Adobe/MM is vagueif it wasn't these questions wouldn't be asked. and yes it started as "Is this possible?"and that ws answered...yes it is possible (mabye not legal). I for one would like an official ruling that is crystal clear from Adobe/MM (no offence to the Mighty Mr. Watts...but I want to have it from the horses mouth). We all can "assume" and "what if" all day..but there is truly only 1 opinion that matters ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232610 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: license on a test server?
> Don't worry, no offense taken. Many people have told me what part of the > horse I am. > LOL..touche Dave! Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232609 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFC & cftransaction
I also like "AC/DC" and "Churvii Knights." Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# & ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 - Original Message - From: "charles arehart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: CFC & cftransaction > Yes, it's an amazingly cute nickname for the tag team of Adam and David--but again I take no credit. It was from someone else's imagination, but it sure is sticky. :-) > > >HAH. > > > >"Churvii" > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232608 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF Licensing on a VMWARE Server instance?
Thanks Andy, That's exactly what I meant, sorry I was being vague think it was another long day :-) But thanks all for your help much appreciated. -Original Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 February 2006 09:07 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Licensing on a VMWARE Server instance? The point Kev is making is that you cannot realistically load test your applications with the developer edition because of the thread limits. And if you're running in a clustered environment, because of the IP restrictions on the developer edition, you'll run into problems there too. Therefore he needs the staging environment to mirror live in every way, i.e. full blown versions of the products. Andy ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232607 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: license on a test server?
> ... no offence to the Mighty Mr. Watts...but I want to have > it from the horses mouth. Don't worry, no offense taken. Many people have told me what part of the horse I am. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232606 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: license on a test server?
The license doesn't say anything about the number of users allowed to access the dev server, only the number of IPS. If they really wanted to limit the development, they would say that only 2 developers can access the development server from the same time. They, however, intentionally wrote that it's limited by the number of ips that can access it, so if you use a workaround (or happen to work in an environment where this is somehow the case, such as an n-tier system), I don't see why that would violate the license agreement. I'm sure Adobe makes some money selling licenses for dev servers, and I'm sure that some companies would rather pay that then try to figure out a workaround, but some companies might not be able to afford having a full licensed copy on their dev server. And they shouldn't have to. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:34 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: license on a test server? > > > Well the license mentions that you're only allowed to use > > only 1 ip, yet we've heard from many sources and the physical > > product allows 2 ips. Are we violating the license if we > > access it from 2 different ips? Yes. Are the courts going > > to see it this way? I doubt it. > > > > The point is I believe it's reasonable to use the developer > > edition for development only, and if I have to put in a > > workaround to make the requests from all the developers go > > through one ip, I believe that's reasonable. The spirit of > > the license is to use the developer edition for development > > only, and not for any sort of production use. The ip > > restriction is of little consequence as far as I see it, but > > perhaps someone from macromedia can elaborate. > > Adobe makes quite a bit of money selling Standard and Enterprise licenses > for use on development servers. So they probably would differ about the > consequence. You're certainly right that the EULA's limitation of one > external connection doesn't match what MM folks have said about two > external > connections, but you have no reason to believe that this justifies three > or > more connections. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232605 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: samle gateway?
A trigger is not what Rick wants (at least not a trigger on a table in the database). A DB trigger is fired when you insert, delete, or modify a record in that table. Rick's "event" is the closing of the browser window, and his database is ignorant to that. Ok if a trigger can only be fired on the insert, delete or modify events. But since Rick's goal was to remove a record that was 10 seconds old, I would have thought that could possibly have been handled somehow with internal resources at least for some DBMS. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - "C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!" - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232604 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: lincense on a test server?
> Actually, considering the discussion went from "Is this possible?" to "How > to get around a software restriction". I'd say that some true believers > aren't practicing what they preach. I'm not saying that being cost effective > isn't a good idea, but openly discussing how to screw over the company > that's feeding your kids by breaking the rules is a stretch to say the > least. Little harsh there Kev (discussing how to screw the company)I think it's fair to say the wording from Adobe/MM is vagueif it wasn't these questions wouldn't be asked. ...and yes it started as "Is this possible?"and that ws answered...yes it is possible (mabye not legal). I for one would like an official ruling that is crystal clear from Adobe/MM (no offence to the Mighty Mr. Watts...but I want to have it from the horses mouth). We all can "assume" and "what if" all day..but there is truly only 1 opinion that matters ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232603 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Breadcrumb Trail
Okay, so I've been reading several books on usability and finally decided to break down and add a breadcrumb trail to my site. For my top level I'll need to link to one of 10 pages depending on the category so the only option I see here is either multiple CFIF's or CFCASE to grab the correct page according to categoryID. But I wanted to run it past you all before I write the code to see if I'm missing an obvious easier solution. For those of you wondering why I have 10 different pages for the top level categories it's for SEO reasons and has proven very beneficial. TIA, Donna ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232602 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: samle gateway?
A trigger is not what Rick wants (at least not a trigger on a table in the database). A DB trigger is fired when you insert, delete, or modify a record in that table. Rick's "event" is the closing of the browser window, and his database is ignorant to that. I think the closest to a "trigger" that Rick could come is if he uses to the JavaScript event that fires when you navigate away from a page, or close the window. Of course that wouldn't be fool-proof. ~Brad ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232601 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: license on a test server?
We tried that. Unfortunately we've just gotten the run around because the sales people don't really know and they transfer us to the technical people who (understandably) don't know. We've called 6 times and gotten "Well I would think that..." for answers and gotten different answers from each response. That's why I was hoping someone here would know. Thanks Joelle Ian Skinner wrote: >I appreciate everyone weighing in on this including all the legal >nuances. Hopefully someone from Macromedia will respond. >Joelle > > >Actually I would be surprised if any did. Do to the legalities of offering >legal opinions in an open forum such as this; they could get into a lot of >trouble. > >I suspect one would have to make a more formal request in normal Adobe nee >Macromedia channels to get a response. > > >-- >Ian Skinner >Web Programmer >BloodSource >www.BloodSource.org >Sacramento, CA > >- >| 1 | | >- Binary Soduko >| | | >- > >"C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!" >- Cynthia Dunning > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232600 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: license on a test server?
> Well the license mentions that you're only allowed to use > only 1 ip, yet we've heard from many sources and the physical > product allows 2 ips. Are we violating the license if we > access it from 2 different ips? Yes. Are the courts going > to see it this way? I doubt it. > > The point is I believe it's reasonable to use the developer > edition for development only, and if I have to put in a > workaround to make the requests from all the developers go > through one ip, I believe that's reasonable. The spirit of > the license is to use the developer edition for development > only, and not for any sort of production use. The ip > restriction is of little consequence as far as I see it, but > perhaps someone from macromedia can elaborate. Adobe makes quite a bit of money selling Standard and Enterprise licenses for use on development servers. So they probably would differ about the consequence. You're certainly right that the EULA's limitation of one external connection doesn't match what MM folks have said about two external connections, but you have no reason to believe that this justifies three or more connections. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232599 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: lincense on a test server?
Adobe? =P !k -Original Message- From: Joelle Tegwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 16, 2006 3:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: lincense on a test server? I appreciate everyone weighing in on this including all the legal nuances. Hopefully someone from Macromedia will respond. Joelle Russ wrote: >Well the license mentions that you're only allowed to use only 1 ip, yet >we've heard from many sources and the physical product allows 2 ips. Are we >violating the license if we access it from 2 different ips? Yes. Are the >courts going to see it this way? I doubt it. > >The point is I believe it's reasonable to use the developer edition for >development only, and if I have to put in a workaround to make the requests >from all the developers go through one ip, I believe that's reasonable. The >spirit of the license is to use the developer edition for development only, >and not for any sort of production use. The ip restriction is of little >consequence as far as I see it, but perhaps someone from macromedia can >elaborate. > >For the record, we all use licensed servers as well, but in getting a N-Tier >configuration to work, I noticed that CF only sees 1 ip when the requests >are coming from another server and are proxied. I actually had to write a >filter to get CF to see the actual ip of the user. > >Russ > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232598 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: license on a test server?
I appreciate everyone weighing in on this including all the legal nuances. Hopefully someone from Macromedia will respond. Joelle Actually I would be surprised if any did. Do to the legalities of offering legal opinions in an open forum such as this; they could get into a lot of trouble. I suspect one would have to make a more formal request in normal Adobe nee Macromedia channels to get a response. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - "C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!" - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232596 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: lincense on a test server?
Actually, considering the discussion went from "Is this possible?" to "How to get around a software restriction". I'd say that some true believers aren't practicing what they preach. I'm not saying that being cost effective isn't a good idea, but openly discussing how to screw over the company that's feeding your kids by breaking the rules is a stretch to say the least. If you really don't want to buy another license, than just deploy a second site (perhaps as a sub-domain) on the legit server and use that. If you want to develop something that could be potentially dangerous, than deploy to a Developer Edition and run it from there. You don't pay for a legit license for just access, but convenience. !k -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 16, 2006 2:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? Nobody is being cheap here. I'm sure everyone is paying some kind of fees for the production server. Either they have bought the licenses or are using hosting where they rent the licenses. People just want to develop in peace, and with the 2 ip restriction, that's not always possible. Unless you put in workarounds, and from what I can see from the EULA, the workarounds are 100% legal and do not break the EULA, unless you are using the developer edition for production use. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:45 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? > > Than maybe they should should decide whether they want to be compatible or > cheap... Beggars can't be choosers. > > !k > > -Original Message- > From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: February 16, 2006 2:21 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? > > It's also not very compatible with Macrodobe's coldfusion... > > > -Original Message- > > From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:16 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? > > > > Why not just use BlueDragon? Isn't that more generous with it's > > restrictions > > for the free version? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kevin > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Joelle Tegwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: February 16, 2006 12:07 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: lincense on a test server? > > > > We're having trouble getting information from Adobe (since they > > apparently know nothing about ColdFusion.) > > > > We have a dual processor production server for which we will buy > > whatever appropriate license. > > > > Do we really need to buy a full additional license for our test server > > (which is only accessible within our organization)? > > > > Can we use the developer edition somehow? > > > > (off list replies are fine) > > Thanks! > > Joelle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232597 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: samle gateway?
Triggers require some kind of action, right? I'm not an expert never have had to write a trigger myself, the dba's (Oracle around here) take care of it. But I'm pretty sure the action does not necessarily have to be external. I guess I view them as being fairly similar to a scheduled task for a DBMS. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - "C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!" - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232595 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: lincense on a test server?
I appreciate everyone weighing in on this including all the legal nuances. Hopefully someone from Macromedia will respond. Joelle Russ wrote: >Well the license mentions that you're only allowed to use only 1 ip, yet >we've heard from many sources and the physical product allows 2 ips. Are we >violating the license if we access it from 2 different ips? Yes. Are the >courts going to see it this way? I doubt it. > >The point is I believe it's reasonable to use the developer edition for >development only, and if I have to put in a workaround to make the requests >from all the developers go through one ip, I believe that's reasonable. The >spirit of the license is to use the developer edition for development only, >and not for any sort of production use. The ip restriction is of little >consequence as far as I see it, but perhaps someone from macromedia can >elaborate. > >For the record, we all use licensed servers as well, but in getting a N-Tier >configuration to work, I noticed that CF only sees 1 ip when the requests >are coming from another server and are proxied. I actually had to write a >filter to get CF to see the actual ip of the user. > >Russ > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232594 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Compiling java source code
You have to include '.' in your CLASSPATH, or it won't pick it up. I'm not sure that's the problem, but I'm guessing SimpleGateway extends EmptyGateway? cheers, barneyb On 2/16/06, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a bit off topic... I'm running CFMX Enterprise on a linux server > and I want to compile a custom gateway. > > I downloaded and installed the j2sdk from sun and installed it, and I > did this: > > CFHOME=/opt/coldfusionmx7 > javac -classpath > $CFHOME/lib/cfusion.jar:$CFHOME/lib/log4j.jar:$CFHOME/runtime/lib/jrun.jar > SimpleGateway.java > > and clearly, it's not doing the classpath stuff cuz I get errors like this: > > SimpleGateway.java:12: cannot resolve symbol > symbol : class EmptyGateway > location: package examples > import examples.EmptyGateway; > > and a bunch of other errors... > > Anyone know how to do this? > > rick > -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232593 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: lincense on a test server?
Well the license mentions that you're only allowed to use only 1 ip, yet we've heard from many sources and the physical product allows 2 ips. Are we violating the license if we access it from 2 different ips? Yes. Are the courts going to see it this way? I doubt it. The point is I believe it's reasonable to use the developer edition for development only, and if I have to put in a workaround to make the requests from all the developers go through one ip, I believe that's reasonable. The spirit of the license is to use the developer edition for development only, and not for any sort of production use. The ip restriction is of little consequence as far as I see it, but perhaps someone from macromedia can elaborate. For the record, we all use licensed servers as well, but in getting a N-Tier configuration to work, I noticed that CF only sees 1 ip when the requests are coming from another server and are proxied. I actually had to write a filter to get CF to see the actual ip of the user. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:03 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? > > > how so Dave...it's just 1 IP and being used for development? > > Is there mention of router and othr devices in the licensing? > > No, there's no mention of routers or proxies or any other workarounds in > the > license. Believe it or not, licenses, like any other legal documents, are > meant to be interpreted reasonably. The license clearly states that you > may > only access the developer edition from one external IP address. You would > have a very difficult time making a case before a court that your > "technical" workaround doesn't violate the spirit of the license, if not > the > letter of it. And again, believe it or not, the spirit and intent of a > legal > document can matter quite a bit. You simply wouldn't have a leg to stand > on. > If you got as far as a deposition, you'd get skewered - and it wouldn't > get > any farther than that. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232592 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: lincense on a test server?
> Nobody is being cheap here. I'm sure everyone is paying some > kind of fees for the production server. Either they have > bought the licenses or are using hosting where they rent the > licenses. > > People just want to develop in peace, and with the 2 ip > restriction, that's not always possible. Unless you put in > workarounds, and from what I can see from the EULA, the > workarounds are 100% legal and do not break the EULA, unless > you are using the developer edition for production use. Cheap, whatever, it doesn't matter. The fact that you're using the word "workaround" to describe how you can violate the spirit of the license should be a clear indicator that you would be violating the license. I'd pay good money to see someone explaining during their deposition how a proxy server doesn't violate the license. And trust me, you wouldn't get any farther than a deposition. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232591 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: lincense on a test server?
> No, there's no mention of routers or proxies or any other workarounds in the > license. Believe it or not, licenses, like any other legal documents, are > meant to be interpreted reasonably. The license clearly states that you may > only access the developer edition from one external IP address. You would > have a very difficult time making a case before a court that your > "technical" workaround doesn't violate the spirit of the license, if not the > letter of it. And again, believe it or not, the spirit and intent of a legal > document can matter quite a bit. You simply wouldn't have a leg to stand on. > If you got as far as a deposition, you'd get skewered - and it wouldn't get > any farther than that. Oh I know all about the spirit in which contracts are written ;-) Thanks Dave...just wanted to know if it was or was no explicitly mentioned (routers and other devices). .and to jump on the OMG we don't do that bandwagon..well we don't either..licenced copies used on client sites, or in shared hosting, or on client dedicated boxes. Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232590 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: samle gateway?
Ian Skinner wrote: > basically, I want something to monitor a database table, and remove rows > of data that have not been updated in more than 10 seconds. > > Just to put another idea on the flagpole. What DBMS are you using? Does it > have triggers? That just sounded like a perfect task for a database trigger > so the database can take care of itself. Triggers require some kind of action, right? If I close my browser window, there are rows sitting in the database and no action being formed on them. I don't see how a trigger could help. i'm using MySQL but even if I was using Oracle or SQL Server, I'm not sure how triggers would help. rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232589 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Suggestion for the list
Until reading all your comments, I actually didn't know there was secret code in the header to identify threads - I thought it was ok to reply and change subject. I bet a lot of the 'lazy' people are in the same boat. Now I know, and that's half the battle. Baz -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Suggestion for the list >>Message has a reply id but different subject. result: thread it. I don't see your point. If it has a new subject, it should start a new thread, wether it is a physical reply to any other message, no? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232588 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: lincense on a test server?
> how so Dave...it's just 1 IP and being used for development? > Is there mention of router and othr devices in the licensing? No, there's no mention of routers or proxies or any other workarounds in the license. Believe it or not, licenses, like any other legal documents, are meant to be interpreted reasonably. The license clearly states that you may only access the developer edition from one external IP address. You would have a very difficult time making a case before a court that your "technical" workaround doesn't violate the spirit of the license, if not the letter of it. And again, believe it or not, the spirit and intent of a legal document can matter quite a bit. You simply wouldn't have a leg to stand on. If you got as far as a deposition, you'd get skewered - and it wouldn't get any farther than that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232587 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: samle gateway?
basically, I want something to monitor a database table, and remove rows of data that have not been updated in more than 10 seconds. Just to put another idea on the flagpole. What DBMS are you using? Does it have triggers? That just sounded like a perfect task for a database trigger so the database can take care of itself. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - "C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!" - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232586 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
OT: Compiling java source code
This is a bit off topic... I'm running CFMX Enterprise on a linux server and I want to compile a custom gateway. I downloaded and installed the j2sdk from sun and installed it, and I did this: CFHOME=/opt/coldfusionmx7 javac -classpath $CFHOME/lib/cfusion.jar:$CFHOME/lib/log4j.jar:$CFHOME/runtime/lib/jrun.jar SimpleGateway.java and clearly, it's not doing the classpath stuff cuz I get errors like this: SimpleGateway.java:12: cannot resolve symbol symbol : class EmptyGateway location: package examples import examples.EmptyGateway; and a bunch of other errors... Anyone know how to do this? rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232585 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: lincense on a test server?
Nobody is being cheap here. I'm sure everyone is paying some kind of fees for the production server. Either they have bought the licenses or are using hosting where they rent the licenses. People just want to develop in peace, and with the 2 ip restriction, that's not always possible. Unless you put in workarounds, and from what I can see from the EULA, the workarounds are 100% legal and do not break the EULA, unless you are using the developer edition for production use. Russ > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:45 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? > > Than maybe they should should decide whether they want to be compatible or > cheap... Beggars can't be choosers. > > !k > > -Original Message- > From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: February 16, 2006 2:21 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? > > It's also not very compatible with Macrodobe's coldfusion... > > > -Original Message- > > From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:16 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: lincense on a test server? > > > > Why not just use BlueDragon? Isn't that more generous with it's > > restrictions > > for the free version? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kevin > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Joelle Tegwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: February 16, 2006 12:07 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: lincense on a test server? > > > > We're having trouble getting information from Adobe (since they > > apparently know nothing about ColdFusion.) > > > > We have a dual processor production server for which we will buy > > whatever appropriate license. > > > > Do we really need to buy a full additional license for our test server > > (which is only accessible within our organization)? > > > > Can we use the developer edition somehow? > > > > (off list replies are fine) > > Thanks! > > Joelle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232584 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Email to database
Can anyone give me an idea how to programmatically insert email into a database using cold fusion? I'd like to take a daily digest post from a mailing list and have it automatically inserted into a database. Possible? I have not used this feature and I have heard many times that it can be problematic, but there is the CFPOP tag that can allow a CF process to read an email from an pop mail account. It then should not be difficult to parse the email and do what you want with it. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - "C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!" - Cynthia Dunning ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232583 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ArrayAppend oddity
NumberFormat(01011+7,"0") -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ArrayAppend oddity put the value in quotes? arrayAppend(myArrayList2, '01011') On 2/16/06, Jeremy Bunton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have the code below doing this where 01011 is a zip code. So I would like > the output to be 01018 as the appended value in the array but right now I am > getting 1018 (leading 0 getting cut off) I tried listappend and it does the > same thing. Val() and tostring() didn't seem to do much either. Any ideas? > > ArrayAppend(myArrayList2,01011+7); > > Jeremy > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232582 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Getting Distinct Values across multiple fields
This should work: Select distinct code1 from datatable union Select distinct code2 from datatable union Select distinct code3 from datatable union Select distinct code4 from datatable The union operator automatically removes duplicates (at least it does in MS SQL) > -Original Message- > From: Claremont, Timothy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:29 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Getting Distinct Values across multiple fields > > I have a database that contains fields such as the following: > > Code1, Code2, Code3, Code4, Code5. Code25. > > > I need to return the distinct codes from ALL columns. I don't > care if a > code only appeared in one of the columns, I need to see it in the > distinct list. > > I know that I could return a distinct list of EACH field, and then add > all of those together and get a distinct list of the result, but is > there a more elegant way to do this? > > CF7 and Access2k2 This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232581 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
