Re: ANN: ColdFusion tag for tabbed GUIs

2006-03-06 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Saturday 04 March 2006 21:14, Massimo Foti wrote:
 You can grab it from here:
 http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/tag/tabs/

Nice.
Can it cope with iFrame's in the tabs ?

auto(re)sizeing would be a nifty feature - something that is hard to get right 
in our own home grown tag.

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How to use the Slider in CF FlashForms ...

2006-03-06 Thread Artur Kordowski
 you can read in my newest article on my Blog:
http://www.newsight.de/2006/03/06/how-to-use-the-slider-in-cf-flashforms/
 
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Re: ANN: ColdFusion tag for tabbed GUIs

2006-03-06 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On 3/4/06, Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You can grab it from here:
 http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/tag/tabs/

 The look and feel is totally CSS driven. I suggest to take a look at the
 samples to see the level of flexibility available.

Looks like given some tweaks it might be a good work-around for the
tabbed Flash forms (sh!)

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OT: AIM SDK

2006-03-06 Thread Kev McCabe
I've just seen this over at neowin:

http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=viewid=32462

Sounds interesting for the IM Gateway.

I think this may be the push I needed to create an application using IM for
support

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list manipulation problem

2006-03-06 Thread Gilbert Midonnet
I'm having a problem with lists.  I need to get values from a list and
add them.  Depending upon the parameters different value sets are
chosen. Is their a mid that works on lists. Mid treats the list as a
string so doing a #MID(list,2,4)#  on a list with the values:
123,125,124,125,129 gives 23, and not 125,124. 
 
Thankfully, it turns out that the list is comprised of three digit
numbers, so I kludged it, working on the list as if it was a string, but
this wouldn't work if the list was comprised differently.
 
Thx,
 
mayo
 
 


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Re: ANN: ColdFusion tag for tabbed GUIs

2006-03-06 Thread Robert Everland III
I released something like this a few months back. 

http://www.reactivevision.com/tabs/demo/


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RE: list manipulation problem

2006-03-06 Thread Adkins, Randy
ListGetAt() 

-Original Message-
From: Gilbert Midonnet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: list manipulation problem

I'm having a problem with lists.  I need to get values from a list and
add them.  Depending upon the parameters different value sets are
chosen. Is their a mid that works on lists. Mid treats the list as a
string so doing a #MID(list,2,4)#  on a list with the values:
123,125,124,125,129 gives 23, and not 125,124. 
 
Thankfully, it turns out that the list is comprised of three digit
numbers, so I kludged it, working on the list as if it was a string, but
this wouldn't work if the list was comprised differently.
 
Thx,
 
mayo
 
 




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RE: list manipulation problem

2006-03-06 Thread Dave Francis
ListGetAt() ??

-Original Message-
From: Gilbert Midonnet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: list manipulation problem


I'm having a problem with lists.  I need to get values from a list and
add them.  Depending upon the parameters different value sets are
chosen. Is their a mid that works on lists. Mid treats the list as a
string so doing a #MID(list,2,4)#  on a list with the values:
123,125,124,125,129 gives 23, and not 125,124.

Thankfully, it turns out that the list is comprised of three digit
numbers, so I kludged it, working on the list as if it was a string, but
this wouldn't work if the list was comprised differently.

Thx,

mayo






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Re: Query of Queries and GROUP - problem

2006-03-06 Thread Deanna Schneider
When you figure out the specs on the production server, be sure to post -
because I've never had this problem and it this is a new issue with 7 (we're
not there yet), we're going to be in for  a world of hurt.

On 3/4/06, Roberto Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 11:14 AM 3/4/2006, I myself wrote:

 I tried an alias, but in the end, it would be the same thing (i.e.,
 the alias would point back to the original master query) ...


 Ok, it is working now. The solution was:

 - use an alias for each column in the query of queries
 - do not use the alias in the WHERE statement (reference the original
 master query instead)
 - do not use the alias in the ORDER BY statement (reference the
 original master query instead)
 - use the aliases within the CFOUTPUT tags (including the GROUP
 parameter) to display the information

 The query would then look something like this:

 cfquery dbtype=query name=allRecords
 SELECT
 listRegions.regionID AS AregionID,listRegions.region AS Aregion,
 listCities.regionID AS BregionID,listCities.cityName AS BcityName,
 listCities.customer AS Bcustomer
 FROM listRegions, listCities
 WHERE listRegions.regionID = listCities.regionID
 ORDER BY listRegions.region ASC, listCities.cityName ASC
 /cfquery

 cfouput query=allRecords group=Aregion
 #Aregion#
  cfoutput group=BcityName
  #BcityName#
  cfoutput
  #Bcustomer#
  /cfoutput
  /cfouput
 /cfoutput


 This solution now works both on the developer server (MX 6) on my
 desktop and on the production server (still have to get the specs for
 that server to document the issue properly)

 Regards,

 Roberto





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Re: OT: Server is freezing

2006-03-06 Thread Thomas Chiverton
AntiVirus and AntiSpyware all up to date ?
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Re: Dependent Select Lists (possibly)

2006-03-06 Thread Claude Schneegans
 Basically this is going to be quite a complicated form.

Not that complicated.
Just put specific parts in overlaping DIVs and make the relevant one 
visible through a JS on change event.

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Re: How to use the Slider in CF FlashForms ...

2006-03-06 Thread Douglas Knudsen
most awesome!  If you have not caught on to this, read Artur's blog.

DK

On 3/6/06, Artur Kordowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  you can read in my newest article on my Blog:
 http://www.newsight.de/2006/03/06/how-to-use-the-slider-in-cf-flashforms/

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Quick Question CF Image Library

2006-03-06 Thread Jeff Small
Wasn't there an announcement recently of a CF based image manipulation library? 
It could save images as jpegs, set compression, rotate, crop, etc...at least I 
think I'm remembering correctly. 

Does this ring a bell? I've searched the website, but come up empty handed.

Thanks,
Jeff

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RE: Quick Question CF Image Library

2006-03-06 Thread Andy Matthews
Yep. Image.cfc by Rick Root.

http://www.opensourcecf.com/imagecfc

I just put it into place in a Content Management System and it works great!

!//--
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ICGLink, Inc.
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-Original Message-
From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Quick Question CF Image Library


Wasn't there an announcement recently of a CF based image manipulation
library? It could save images as jpegs, set compression, rotate, crop,
etc...at least I think I'm remembering correctly.

Does this ring a bell? I've searched the website, but come up empty handed.

Thanks,
Jeff



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Hourly digests down again?

2006-03-06 Thread RADEMAKERS Tanguy
Hello,

Haven't received an hourly digest since 7:12 am my time (seven hours
ago...). Are they down or has it suddenly gone deathly quiet in here?

Regs,
/t

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GeoCoding Services

2006-03-06 Thread Deanna Schneider
Is anyone using a free geocoding service with CF? I've been playing with the
www.geocoder.us stuff - and while I can get the csv version to work, I've
yet to be able to get the soap versions to work. Anyone else had more luck
than me? Or, should I just stick with the csv version and do some text
parsing? I want to use it with the google maps api to do a little mapping
project.

Thanks in advance.


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NumberFormat problem

2006-03-06 Thread Mark Leder
What am I missing here?  I want to set a simple number format function but I
can't get the decimal in the right place, tried forcing the integer to the
left, tried dashes, single quotes around the mask, etc. Nothing works.
 
cfscript
  VARIABLES.someVar = 350
  VARIABLES.digit2 = Left(VARIABLES.someVar, 2); 
  VARIABLES.ImageMaxFileSize1 = #NumberFormat(VARIABLES.digit2, L.9)#mb;

/cfscript
 
cfoutput#VARIABLES.ImageMaxFileSize1#/cfoutput
 
I want the output to be 3.5mb
 
Thanks,
Mark
 




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Re: NumberFormat problem

2006-03-06 Thread Mingo Hagen
Hey Mark,

how about this:

cfscript
  VARIABLES.someVar = 350;
  VARIABLES.digit2 = VARIABLES.someVar / 1024 / 1024;
  VARIABLES.ImageMaxFileSize1 = NumberFormat(VARIABLES.digit2, ,._)  
mb;

  writeOutput( VARIABLES.ImageMaxFileSize1 );
/cfscript

Mingo.


Mark Leder wrote:
 What am I missing here?  I want to set a simple number format function but I
 can't get the decimal in the right place, tried forcing the integer to the
 left, tried dashes, single quotes around the mask, etc. Nothing works.
  
 cfscript
   VARIABLES.someVar = 350
   VARIABLES.digit2 = Left(VARIABLES.someVar, 2); 
   VARIABLES.ImageMaxFileSize1 = #NumberFormat(VARIABLES.digit2, L.9)#mb;

 /cfscript
  
 cfoutput#VARIABLES.ImageMaxFileSize1#/cfoutput
  
 I want the output to be 3.5mb
  
 Thanks,
 Mark
  




 

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RE: NumberFormat problem

2006-03-06 Thread Mark Leder
That worked.  Thanks! 


Thanks,
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Mingo Hagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: NumberFormat problem

Hey Mark,

how about this:

cfscript
  VARIABLES.someVar = 350;
  VARIABLES.digit2 = VARIABLES.someVar / 1024 / 1024;
  VARIABLES.ImageMaxFileSize1 = NumberFormat(VARIABLES.digit2, ,._) 
mb;

  writeOutput( VARIABLES.ImageMaxFileSize1 ); /cfscript

Mingo.


Mark Leder wrote:
 What am I missing here?  I want to set a simple number format function 
 but I can't get the decimal in the right place, tried forcing the 
 integer to the left, tried dashes, single quotes around the mask, etc.
Nothing works.
  
 cfscript
   VARIABLES.someVar = 350
   VARIABLES.digit2 = Left(VARIABLES.someVar, 2); 
   VARIABLES.ImageMaxFileSize1 = #NumberFormat(VARIABLES.digit2, 
 L.9)#mb;

 /cfscript
  
 cfoutput#VARIABLES.ImageMaxFileSize1#/cfoutput
  
 I want the output to be 3.5mb
  
 Thanks,
 Mark
  




 



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Re: Alagad Image CFC

2006-03-06 Thread jonese
as far as i know the issue was never resolved but we did find that if
we opened the files up i photoshop and bounced between cmyk and back
to rgb and then saved for web that it resolved the issue.

i'd contact doug directly and see if your files don't add more insight
into the mystery.

jonese (aka erj)

On 3/5/06, Mark McArthey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'd like to know if there was ever a resolution to this problem?  I am having 
 the same problem with a batch of .jpg files that I am working with.  I can 
 provide the files and the code if need be.
 Thanks for any help!

 I've had a couple users of the component report this problem.  I'm
 working on resolving it ASAP.
 
 The problem stems from the JPEG specification which allows the red and
 either green or blue channel to be swapped.  In the case of the Image
 Component when it reads one of these images the channels are not
 ending up in the correct location.  This problem seems to be quite
 rare.
 
 However, as I said, I'm working on a fix to it.
 
 Doug Hughes
 
 On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:15:02 -0400, Eric Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ERJ

 

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OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Gareth
I'm the sort of person who likes to understand why I'm doing something 
rather than just do it. If I download a UDF I analyse it and try to learn 
rather than just stick it into my app and smile because it's worked. With 
that in mind, I wonder if someone could explain to me in super simple, 
beginer speak, layman terms what Object Oriented Programming means in terms 
of CF and why I should use it?

My very basic understanding is that you have different 'layers' to perform 
different tasks, so when someone visits mygroovyform.cfm the processing 
behind the form is not done on the form page itself but passed to another 
page which then passes back the results. The back end processing is then 
done using components (cfc's).

I know that's a very simplified explanation but hopefully it's true in 
principle. I've written a few very simple CFC's more for the sake of it than 
because I understood the need. The main arguments I've heard for using this 
approach is that it's good for code re-use and promotes clean coding. But 
what I can't get my head around is why? I mean, code isn't necessarily 
unclean because it's not built using this approach and can't code just as 
easily be reused using a cfmodule or even a cfinclude? I've also heard it's 
good in a multi-developer environment, but I'm only me so perhaps there 
isn't a practical reason for me to learn it at all?

I've read a lot on the subject and I'd like to read more but it's difficult 
to enthuse myself without understanding what the real end benefit is.

scratches_headModel glue, mach ii, fusebox, etc. I'm sure there's a bloody 
good reason for 'em but what is it?/scratches_head

Words of wisdom / good reading (including book recommendations) most 
appreciated.

Many thanks

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OT - RegEx gurus - help

2006-03-06 Thread Michel Deloux
Hi all

sorry for OT but I need your help RegEx gurus. In my form users can insert a
field with this pattern:

A|1-3|-B|C|D
In resume can insert ?
A or
A1B or
A2B or
A3B or
A1C, A2C, A3C, A1D, A2D, A3D, A1E, A2E, A3E, AB, AC, AD, B, C, D

Validating only letters work fine but that all combinations fail.

Suggestions?

Cheers

MD


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Cf webservice timeout. Etc.

2006-03-06 Thread Katz, Dov B \(IT\)
I have an external CF site which uses webservices on my server.
 
I'm trying to help them come up with some sort of timeout plan to
disable a section of their site if for any reason the webservice calls
timeout, to prevent their server from getting tied up on pending
requests.
 
Currently they use CFobject to create an object on my webservice and
call methods on this.  It doesnt' seem like there are any timeouts
configurable for this way of consuming my service.
 
What do most people do here? I was thinking of having them keep a
timeout/error count threshold and last-timeout value and if the error
count exceeds some threshold, they disable the feature for 1-2 hours and
try again, etc...
 
any advice is welcome...
 
Thanks
Dbk


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Re: SOLVED: Re: query to XML CF 6.1 vs 7

2006-03-06 Thread Bryan Stevenson
 Hey, I get jumped whenever I don't var everyfrigginthing. Just figured I'd 
 return the favor. I even did it softly ... and STILL got jumped!   :)

 Will

That'll teach ya to be vague eh ;-)

Cheers

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VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
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Re: anyone used cfx_zip??

2006-03-06 Thread Srinivasa Teja Palla
Artur,

No offense meant, but the cfc is not well documented. It would've made me 
happier if I saw atleast more than one example in each case (add, delete etc.). 
I understand you cfc is free and it is up to you to make it as user friendly as 
possible, but the it is not at all well documented. 

I do appreciate your willingness to help. Thanks for your time.


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RE: NumberFormat problem

2006-03-06 Thread James Smith
 cfscript
   VARIABLES.someVar = 350;
   VARIABLES.digit2 = VARIABLES.someVar / 1024 / 1024;
   VARIABLES.ImageMaxFileSize1 = 
 NumberFormat(VARIABLES.digit2, ,._)  mb;
 
   writeOutput( VARIABLES.ImageMaxFileSize1 ); /cfscript
Wouldn't

cfscript
  variables.someVar = '350';
  writeOutput(numberFormat(variables.someVar / 1048576 , ,._)  mb);
/cfscript

Be a little faster ;)

NOTE: kidding, please don't flame me!

--
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Re: OT - RegEx gurus - help

2006-03-06 Thread CF
Hi Michael.

 sorry for OT but I need your help RegEx gurus. 

As long as it's CF related, it is not OT. Just my $0.02 ;-)

 In my form
users can
 insert a field with this pattern:
 
 A|1-3|-B|C|D
 In resume can insert ?
 A or
 A1B or
 A2B or
 A3B or
 A1C, A2C, A3C, A1D, A2D, A3D, A1E, A2E, A3E, AB, AC, AD, B, C, D
 
 Validating only letters work fine but that all combinations fail.

OK. Start with letter A, followed bei 0 or 1 occurence of 1 though 3,
followed by 0 or 1 occurence of B through D. Correct?

Then the following reg exp. should do:
A([123]?)([BCD]?)

Best,

Chris


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Re: anyone used cfx_zip??

2006-03-06 Thread Srinivasa Teja Palla
Gareth, I tried escaping the double quotes inside(putting them twice) and it 
still would do the full c: I have no clue what's going on.

:(

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Re: OT - RegEx gurus - help

2006-03-06 Thread Michel Deloux
Thanx Chris.

Using your sample fails when user enters A6 or B6. Please look my code used
for client JS validation?

^([Aa]{1}[1-3]{0,1}[B-Eb-e]{0,1}|[B-Eb-e]{1})

Using RegEx Coach application works fine allowing only the correct chars.
But when inserting in CF template fails.

What's wrong?

Cheers

MD


2006/3/6, CF [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi Michael.

  sorry for OT but I need your help RegEx gurus.

 As long as it's CF related, it is not OT. Just my $0.02 ;-)

  In my form
 users can
  insert a field with this pattern:
 
  A|1-3|-B|C|D
  In resume can insert ?
  A or
  A1B or
  A2B or
  A3B or
  A1C, A2C, A3C, A1D, A2D, A3D, A1E, A2E, A3E, AB, AC, AD, B, C, D
 
  Validating only letters work fine but that all combinations fail.

 OK. Start with letter A, followed bei 0 or 1 occurence of 1 though 3,
 followed by 0 or 1 occurence of B through D. Correct?

 Then the following reg exp. should do:
 A([123]?)([BCD]?)

 Best,

 Chris


 

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JRun High Memory Usage on CFMX 7

2006-03-06 Thread Ming Lu
Hi,

Our sites running on Windows Server 2003 with CFMX 7 use session variables  
(Maximum Timeout has been setup as 40 minutes). Recently we noticed that the 
high memory usage for JRun is always associated with high numbers of openned 
sessions. Metrics logging showed that sometimes sessions reached more than 40 
and at the same time the JRun used about 400 MB memory, which caused the JRun 
to a halt and the sites couldn't be displayed. It happens almost once a day 
recently.

Does anyone know a solution to this problem? Should we replace all the session 
variables with application variables? If so what is the best Maximum Timeout 
for application variables? 

Thank you very much in advance!

Ming Lu

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Re: anyone used cfx_zip??

2006-03-06 Thread Gareth
Isn't cfx_zip a paid tag? Maybe there are some examples in the documentation 
you could try to see if it's a tag or code problem. Failing that, maybe an 
email to the developer. Wish I could offer more help but as I said, I've 
never used it. Sorry.

- Original Message - 
From: Srinivasa Teja Palla [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: anyone used cfx_zip??


Gareth, I tried escaping the double quotes inside(putting them twice) and it 
still would do the full c: I have no clue what's going on.

:(



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Re: OT - RegEx gurus - help

2006-03-06 Thread Ben Doom
That is close, but required the A when he's allowing just B.  Also, he 
gets some E's there in the end.

I'd look at this:
^A?[123]?[B-E]?$

The big caveat there is that it allows the empty string, so you might 
want to also take a look and make sure they actually submit something.

--Ben

CF wrote:
 Hi Michael.
 
 sorry for OT but I need your help RegEx gurus. 
 
 As long as it's CF related, it is not OT. Just my $0.02 ;-)
 
 In my form
 users can
 insert a field with this pattern:

 A|1-3|-B|C|D
 In resume can insert ?
 A or
 A1B or
 A2B or
 A3B or
 A1C, A2C, A3C, A1D, A2D, A3D, A1E, A2E, A3E, AB, AC, AD, B, C, D

 Validating only letters work fine but that all combinations fail.
 
 OK. Start with letter A, followed bei 0 or 1 occurence of 1 though 3,
 followed by 0 or 1 occurence of B through D. Correct?
 
 Then the following reg exp. should do:
 A([123]?)([BCD]?)
 
 Best,
 
 Chris
 
 
 

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PDF Upload Problems

2006-03-06 Thread Mike Chabot
We have a file upload form that only accepts PDF files. A very small
percentage of people have tried to upload files that end in .pdf,
but CFMX 6.1 rejects them because they have MIME types of
application/octet-stream or application/unknown. Since these files
could not be uploaded, I am not sure if these files are legitimate
PDFs, so I would like to know if anyone else has experience with this,
or if there is some advice I can give to the people experiencing these
problems? At what stage of the upload process does the MIME-type get
associated with the file?

Thank you,
Mike Chabot

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Re: OT - RegEx gurus - help

2006-03-06 Thread Ben Doom
Michel Deloux wrote:
 ^([Aa]{1}[1-3]{0,1}[B-Eb-e]{0,1}|[B-Eb-e]{1})
 
 Using RegEx Coach application works fine allowing only the correct chars.
 But when inserting in CF template fails.

It's working for me in a quick test on CF6.1 -- what version are you using?

--Ben


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Document Management??

2006-03-06 Thread Terry Schmitt
Anyone know of a basic CF Document Management System? 
I'm not looking for an Enterprise level tool, but just some basic doc 
management with security. I've toyed with using Farcry (yes, I know it's a 
CMS)and it is way over-kill for what I'm looking for.
I've googled till I'm dizzy, but can't find anything. Open-Source is always 
good, as I'm sure I'll have to tweak it. The obvious alternative it to write my 
own, but it seems like there should be something out there.

Thanks,
Terry

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RE: JRun High Memory Usage on CFMX 7

2006-03-06 Thread Snake
Are you instantiating any components and persisiting them inside the session
scope?
I blogged about such a problem on a client site.

http://lordmichaels.blogspot.com

Russ 

-Original Message-
From: Ming Lu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 06 March 2006 15:39
To: CF-Talk
Subject: JRun High Memory Usage on CFMX 7

Hi,

Our sites running on Windows Server 2003 with CFMX 7 use session variables
(Maximum Timeout has been setup as 40 minutes). Recently we noticed that the
high memory usage for JRun is always associated with high numbers of openned
sessions. Metrics logging showed that sometimes sessions reached more than
40 and at the same time the JRun used about 400 MB memory, which caused the
JRun to a halt and the sites couldn't be displayed. It happens almost once a
day recently.

Does anyone know a solution to this problem? Should we replace all the
session variables with application variables? If so what is the best Maximum
Timeout for application variables? 

Thank you very much in advance!

Ming Lu



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Re: PDF Upload Problems

2006-03-06 Thread Deanna Schneider
Application/octet-stream is what you'll get if the pdf is open on their
system when they try to upload it. I don't know of a really great work
around, other than catching that particular error and telling them to be
sure to close it before uploading it.

On 3/6/06, Mike Chabot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We have a file upload form that only accepts PDF files. A very small
 percentage of people have tried to upload files that end in .pdf,
 but CFMX 6.1 rejects them because they have MIME types of
 application/octet-stream or application/unknown. Since these files
 could not be uploaded, I am not sure if these files are legitimate
 PDFs, so I would like to know if anyone else has experience with this,
 or if there is some advice I can give to the people experiencing these
 problems? At what stage of the upload process does the MIME-type get
 associated with the file?

 Thank you,
 Mike Chabot

 

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Re: OT - RegEx gurus - help

2006-03-06 Thread Michel Deloux
Thanx Ben

We`re using CF 6.1 too |o-)

Using my regex pattern allows this entries-
A8 (incorrect)
C8 (incorrect)
A9B(incorrect)

A1-3B-E|B-E are the correct entry.

Any suggestion?

Cheers

MD


2006/3/6, Ben Doom [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Michel Deloux wrote:
  ^([Aa]{1}[1-3]{0,1}[B-Eb-e]{0,1}|[B-Eb-e]{1})
 
  Using RegEx Coach application works fine allowing only the correct
 chars.
  But when inserting in CF template fails.

 It's working for me in a quick test on CF6.1 -- what version are you
 using?

 --Ben


 

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getDate()

2006-03-06 Thread Richard Cooper
Hi all,

Does anyone know why this works in access but not in SQL Server

cfquery name=checkForView datasource=#theDatabase#
SELECT  viewID, views
FROMeventViews
WHERE   active = '1'
AND eventID = '#theEventID#'
AND dateAdded = getdate()
/cfquery


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Re: getDate()

2006-03-06 Thread Aaron Rouse
Maybe the function returns just a date in access but a date/time in MSSQL?

On 3/6/06, Richard Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,

 Does anyone know why this works in access but not in SQL Server

 cfquery name=checkForView datasource=#theDatabase#
 SELECT  viewID, views
 FROMeventViews
 WHERE   active = '1'
 AND eventID = '#theEventID#'
 AND dateAdded = getdate()
 /cfquery


 

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RE: Cf webservice timeout. Etc.

2006-03-06 Thread Munson, Jacob
How about cftry/cfcatch?

cftry
cfobject 
   webservice= http://www.../wsdl;
   name = myobjectname
cfcatch type=Application
failed
/cfcatch
/cftry 

 -Original Message-
 From: Katz, Dov B (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:53 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Cf webservice timeout. Etc.
 
 I have an external CF site which uses webservices on my server.
  
 I'm trying to help them come up with some sort of timeout plan to
 disable a section of their site if for any reason the webservice calls
 timeout, to prevent their server from getting tied up on pending
 requests.
  
 Currently they use CFobject to create an object on my webservice and
 call methods on this.  It doesnt' seem like there are any timeouts
 configurable for this way of consuming my service.
  
 What do most people do here? I was thinking of having them keep a
 timeout/error count threshold and last-timeout value and if the error
 count exceeds some threshold, they disable the feature for 
 1-2 hours and
 try again, etc...
  
 any advice is welcome...


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Re: UTF-8 text retrieved in query doesn't display properly

2006-03-06 Thread Michael Kaplan
Michael Kaplan wrote:
 Got your email address from the Adobe forum...I'll send presently.

i would have thought this email list would have worked too ;-)

Thanks to Paul's offline help, I've determined that this isn't a CF issue...my 
problem is with how the data was inserted into SQL in the first place (using a 
non-CF process). Which means I can throw this issue back at someone else!

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RE: getDate()

2006-03-06 Thread Snake
Well getDate() is an SQL server function, so what error do you get ?

If you simply mean the doesn't return data, then it could be because the
comparison is not matching, i.e. 

Dateadded = 12/01/2006
GetDate = 12/01/2005 09:46:00

Which would never be equal.

Russ 

-Original Message-
From: Richard Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 06 March 2006 17:01
To: CF-Talk
Subject: getDate()

Hi all,

Does anyone know why this works in access but not in SQL Server

cfquery name=checkForView datasource=#theDatabase#
SELECT  viewID, views
FROMeventViews
WHERE   active = '1'
AND eventID = '#theEventID#'
AND dateAdded = getdate()
/cfquery




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Re: getDate()

2006-03-06 Thread Sam Farmer
Its probably because in SQLServer getDate() returns a full date with
time information down to the millisecond.

Depending on how accurate your dates are this might be a simple fix:

dateAdded BETWEEN getDate()-1 and getDate()

Cheers,

Sam F

On 3/6/06, Richard Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 Does anyone know why this works in access but not in SQL Server

 cfquery name=checkForView datasource=#theDatabase#
 SELECT  viewID, views
 FROMeventViews
 WHERE   active = '1'
 AND eventID = '#theEventID#'
 AND dateAdded = getdate()
 /cfquery


 

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Re: OT - RegEx gurus - help

2006-03-06 Thread Michel Deloux
Thanx Chris and Ben

works fine now. After all your code is great. Simple and clear.

Cheers

MD


2006/3/6, Michel Deloux [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Thanx Ben

 We`re using CF 6.1 too |o-)

 Using my regex pattern allows this entries-
 A8 (incorrect)
 C8 (incorrect)
 A9B(incorrect)

 A1-3B-E|B-E are the correct entry.

 Any suggestion?

 Cheers

 MD


 2006/3/6, Ben Doom [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Michel Deloux wrote:
   ^([Aa]{1}[1-3]{0,1}[B-Eb-e]{0,1}|[B-Eb-e]{1})
  
   Using RegEx Coach application works fine allowing only the correct
  chars.
   But when inserting in CF template fails.
 
  It's working for me in a quick test on CF6.1 -- what version are you
  using?
 
  --Ben
 
 
  

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Re: GeoCoding Services

2006-03-06 Thread Casey Dougall
Use google maps to get the geo-information then save it in the
database. Still haven't seen any regulations against this in their api
documents.

The tutorial with this route is listed here.

http://tutorial397.easycfm.com/


On 3/6/06, Deanna Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is anyone using a free geocoding service with CF? I've been playing with the
 www.geocoder.us stuff - and while I can get the csv version to work, I've
 yet to be able to get the soap versions to work. Anyone else had more luck
 than me? Or, should I just stick with the csv version and do some text
 parsing? I want to use it with the google maps api to do a little mapping
 project.

 Thanks in advance.


 

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RE: Document Management??

2006-03-06 Thread Brian Polackoff
Terry,
If you all you are looking for is simply document management (add/upload,
remove/delete, etc) then you might want to check out CF_FileManager.  It is
a cross browser tool for just that.  

(To view product info)
http://www.digital-crew.com/index.cfm/action/viewnavcat/navcatId/32 

(For a demo) 
http://www.digital-crew.com/index.cfm/action/filemanagerExamples 

Hope this helps.

Brian

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From: Terry Schmitt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Document Management??

Anyone know of a basic CF Document Management System? 
I'm not looking for an Enterprise level tool, but just some basic doc
management with security. I've toyed with using Farcry (yes, I know it's a
CMS)and it is way over-kill for what I'm looking for.
I've googled till I'm dizzy, but can't find anything. Open-Source is always
good, as I'm sure I'll have to tweak it. The obvious alternative it to write
my own, but it seems like there should be something out there.

Thanks,
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Calculate the time elapsed between two dates based on business hrs

2006-03-06 Thread Botts, Tom
Has anyone tackled this before?  I am trying to calculate the time
elapsed between two dates based on business hrs. It will be used to
build a report that tells us how long it takes to process an order.
Basically only M-F 8am-6pm counts.  Using datediff  uses a 24hr
calendar.  I've looked at cflib.org for any functions.  The actual
records are in sql so a sql function might be better.  Any pointers in
the right direction  would be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
Tom


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RE: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Munson, Jacob
Gareth,

I'm in the same boat you are.  Especially after reading a blog entry by
a prominent figure in the CF community, where the complaint was given
that simple changes to a framework based site were /not/ simple.  You
had to modify a few different files just to make a simple change.  Kind
of goes against the makes modifications easier argument.

The biggest reasons I see for using frameworks are: 
-code reuse
-flexibility
-maintainability
-documented code

I can make my applications adhere to the above principles, /without/
using a framework.  However, I'm eagerly awaiting any responses from the
framework crowd, as I'm still sitting on the fence.

 -Original Message-
 From: Gareth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:40 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: OOP, why me?
 
 I'm the sort of person who likes to understand why I'm doing 
 something 
 rather than just do it. If I download a UDF I analyse it and 
 try to learn 
 rather than just stick it into my app and smile because it's 
 worked. With 
 that in mind, I wonder if someone could explain to me in 
 super simple, 
 beginer speak, layman terms what Object Oriented Programming 
 means in terms 
 of CF and why I should use it?
 
 My very basic understanding is that you have different 
 'layers' to perform 
 different tasks, so when someone visits mygroovyform.cfm the 
 processing 
 behind the form is not done on the form page itself but 
 passed to another 
 page which then passes back the results. The back end 
 processing is then 
 done using components (cfc's).
 
 I know that's a very simplified explanation but hopefully 
 it's true in 
 principle. I've written a few very simple CFC's more for the 
 sake of it than 
 because I understood the need. The main arguments I've heard 
 for using this 
 approach is that it's good for code re-use and promotes clean 
 coding. But 
 what I can't get my head around is why? I mean, code isn't 
 necessarily 
 unclean because it's not built using this approach and can't 
 code just as 
 easily be reused using a cfmodule or even a cfinclude? I've 
 also heard it's 
 good in a multi-developer environment, but I'm only me so 
 perhaps there 
 isn't a practical reason for me to learn it at all?
 
 I've read a lot on the subject and I'd like to read more but 
 it's difficult 
 to enthuse myself without understanding what the real end benefit is.
 
 scratches_headModel glue, mach ii, fusebox, etc. I'm sure 
 there's a bloody 
 good reason for 'em but what is it?/scratches_head
 
 Words of wisdom / good reading (including book recommendations) most 
 appreciated.

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Re: anyone used cfx_zip??

2006-03-06 Thread Srinivasa Teja Palla
Ya I mailed ben-forta (supposedly written by him). No response as of now. Been 
more than a couple of days. I am trying to do what I want using a command line 
pkzip version, and using cfexecute to do it. But no luck that route too as of 
now... :(


Isn't cfx_zip a paid tag? Maybe there are some examples in the documentation 
you could try to see if it's a tag or code problem. Failing that, maybe an 
email to the developer. Wish I could offer more help but as I said, I've 
never used it. Sorry.

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Subject: Re: anyone used cfx_zip??


Gareth, I tried escaping the double quotes inside(putting them twice) and it 
still would do the full c: I have no clue what's going on.

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RE: Calculate the time elapsed between two dates based on business hrs

2006-03-06 Thread Snake
SQL also has it's own DateDif() fucntion.

 

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From: Botts, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 06 March 2006 18:29
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Calculate the time elapsed between two dates based on business hrs

Has anyone tackled this before?  I am trying to calculate the time elapsed
between two dates based on business hrs. It will be used to build a report
that tells us how long it takes to process an order.
Basically only M-F 8am-6pm counts.  Using datediff  uses a 24hr calendar.
I've looked at cflib.org for any functions.  The actual records are in sql
so a sql function might be better.  Any pointers in the right direction
would be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
Tom


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Re: Calculate the time elapsed between two dates based on business hrs

2006-03-06 Thread Aaron Rouse
I did something similar in a reservation application here.  What I did is I
grabbed the difference in business days then multiplied those by the hours I
have in a business day then I added in the hours on the last day and the
first day.  So if it started on Monday at noon and ended on Friday at 10AM I
would do (3 * 10) + 4 + 2  That is a simplified explanation of what I did,
hope it helps some.

On 3/6/06, Botts, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Has anyone tackled this before?  I am trying to calculate the time
 elapsed between two dates based on business hrs. It will be used to
 build a report that tells us how long it takes to process an order.
 Basically only M-F 8am-6pm counts.  Using datediff  uses a 24hr
 calendar.  I've looked at cflib.org for any functions.  The actual
 records are in sql so a sql function might be better.  Any pointers in
 the right direction  would be appreciated.

 Thanks,
 Tom


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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Ray Champagne
Jacob, mind sharing that blog link?

I am learning to hate FrameWorks.  I am gung-ho for the concepts that 
you mentioned, but I don't think that FrameWorks are the only answer.

Ray


Munson, Jacob wrote:
 Gareth,
 
 I'm in the same boat you are.  Especially after reading a blog entry by
 a prominent figure in the CF community, where the complaint was given
 that simple changes to a framework based site were /not/ simple.  You
 had to modify a few different files just to make a simple change.  Kind
 of goes against the makes modifications easier argument.
 
 The biggest reasons I see for using frameworks are: 
 -code reuse
 -flexibility
 -maintainability
 -documented code
 
 I can make my applications adhere to the above principles, /without/
 using a framework.  However, I'm eagerly awaiting any responses from the
 framework crowd, as I'm still sitting on the fence.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Gareth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:40 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: OOP, why me?

 I'm the sort of person who likes to understand why I'm doing 
 something 
 rather than just do it. If I download a UDF I analyse it and 
 try to learn 
 rather than just stick it into my app and smile because it's 
 worked. With 
 that in mind, I wonder if someone could explain to me in 
 super simple, 
 beginer speak, layman terms what Object Oriented Programming 
 means in terms 
 of CF and why I should use it?

 My very basic understanding is that you have different 
 'layers' to perform 
 different tasks, so when someone visits mygroovyform.cfm the 
 processing 
 behind the form is not done on the form page itself but 
 passed to another 
 page which then passes back the results. The back end 
 processing is then 
 done using components (cfc's).

 I know that's a very simplified explanation but hopefully 
 it's true in 
 principle. I've written a few very simple CFC's more for the 
 sake of it than 
 because I understood the need. The main arguments I've heard 
 for using this 
 approach is that it's good for code re-use and promotes clean 
 coding. But 
 what I can't get my head around is why? I mean, code isn't 
 necessarily 
 unclean because it's not built using this approach and can't 
 code just as 
 easily be reused using a cfmodule or even a cfinclude? I've 
 also heard it's 
 good in a multi-developer environment, but I'm only me so 
 perhaps there 
 isn't a practical reason for me to learn it at all?

 I've read a lot on the subject and I'd like to read more but 
 it's difficult 
 to enthuse myself without understanding what the real end benefit is.

 scratches_headModel glue, mach ii, fusebox, etc. I'm sure 
 there's a bloody 
 good reason for 'em but what is it?/scratches_head

 Words of wisdom / good reading (including book recommendations) most 
 appreciated.
 
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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Aaron Rouse
Well adhering to a framework does not mean you are OOP.  I'd think that
would boil down to the framework chosen.

On 3/6/06, Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Gareth,

 I'm in the same boat you are.  Especially after reading a blog entry by
 a prominent figure in the CF community, where the complaint was given
 that simple changes to a framework based site were /not/ simple.  You
 had to modify a few different files just to make a simple change.  Kind
 of goes against the makes modifications easier argument.

 The biggest reasons I see for using frameworks are:
 -code reuse
 -flexibility
 -maintainability
 -documented code

 I can make my applications adhere to the above principles, /without/
 using a framework.  However, I'm eagerly awaiting any responses from the
 framework crowd, as I'm still sitting on the fence.




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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Claude Schneegans
 The biggest reasons I see for using frameworks are:
-code reuse
-flexibility
-maintainability
-documented code

Well, IMHO these are just clichés.
- code reuse? I don't see what in non framework application makes 
reusing any code any more difficult.
- Flexibility? Framework means rules, how can rules add flexibilty?
- Maintainability? By someone who knows the framework, may be, but for 
other (most of the time), it is like hell.
- documented code? Any code should be documented, in a framework or not. 
Frameworks do not create documentation.

Anyway, any experienced programer will end up with his own way to design 
applications,
this is some kind of a framework, and it is the best one, because it is HIS.

Gee I'm using a framework, and I didn't even know about it ;-)

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RE: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Snake
Depends what framework.
The best thing is to take the bits you like and roll your own.
I don't like the OO frameworks like Model-Glue as they take something simple
(a web site) and make it extremely complicated.
Fusebox can be good if you strip out all the crap.

Russ 

-Original Message-
From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 06 March 2006 18:29
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OOP, why me?

Gareth,

I'm in the same boat you are.  Especially after reading a blog entry by a
prominent figure in the CF community, where the complaint was given that
simple changes to a framework based site were /not/ simple.  You had to
modify a few different files just to make a simple change.  Kind of goes
against the makes modifications easier argument.

The biggest reasons I see for using frameworks are: 
-code reuse
-flexibility
-maintainability
-documented code

I can make my applications adhere to the above principles, /without/ using a
framework.  However, I'm eagerly awaiting any responses from the framework
crowd, as I'm still sitting on the fence.

 -Original Message-
 From: Gareth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:40 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: OOP, why me?
 
 I'm the sort of person who likes to understand why I'm doing something 
 rather than just do it. If I download a UDF I analyse it and try to 
 learn rather than just stick it into my app and smile because it's 
 worked. With that in mind, I wonder if someone could explain to me in 
 super simple, beginer speak, layman terms what Object Oriented 
 Programming means in terms of CF and why I should use it?
 
 My very basic understanding is that you have different 'layers' to 
 perform different tasks, so when someone visits mygroovyform.cfm the 
 processing behind the form is not done on the form page itself but 
 passed to another page which then passes back the results. The back 
 end processing is then done using components (cfc's).
 
 I know that's a very simplified explanation but hopefully it's true in 
 principle. I've written a few very simple CFC's more for the sake of 
 it than because I understood the need. The main arguments I've heard 
 for using this approach is that it's good for code re-use and promotes 
 clean coding. But what I can't get my head around is why? I mean, code 
 isn't necessarily unclean because it's not built using this approach 
 and can't code just as easily be reused using a cfmodule or even a 
 cfinclude? I've also heard it's good in a multi-developer environment, 
 but I'm only me so perhaps there isn't a practical reason for me to 
 learn it at all?
 
 I've read a lot on the subject and I'd like to read more but it's 
 difficult to enthuse myself without understanding what the real end 
 benefit is.
 
 scratches_headModel glue, mach ii, fusebox, etc. I'm sure there's a 
 bloody good reason for 'em but what is it?/scratches_head
 
 Words of wisdom / good reading (including book recommendations) most 
 appreciated.

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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Gareth
Lol, I'm more confused than I thought... So, Model Glue etc are frameworks, 
but don't necessarily adhere to OOP. For simplicity sake, are the current 
trend of CF Frameworks such as Model Glue, Fusebox, etc OOP? And, what does 
a Framework offer that OOP methodology doesn't?


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From: Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: OOP, why me?


Well adhering to a framework does not mean you are OOP.  I'd think that
would boil down to the framework chosen.

On 3/6/06, Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Gareth,

 I'm in the same boat you are.  Especially after reading a blog entry by
 a prominent figure in the CF community, where the complaint was given
 that simple changes to a framework based site were /not/ simple.  You
 had to modify a few different files just to make a simple change.  Kind
 of goes against the makes modifications easier argument.

 The biggest reasons I see for using frameworks are:
 -code reuse
 -flexibility
 -maintainability
 -documented code

 I can make my applications adhere to the above principles, /without/
 using a framework.  However, I'm eagerly awaiting any responses from the
 framework crowd, as I'm still sitting on the fence.






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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Charlie Hanlon
Claude said 'Flexibility? Framework means rules, how can rules add 
flexibilty?'

I have often felt that rules (structure,framework) provides the enviroment 
for flexiblity

just my 2 cents

charlie hanlon


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From: Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: OOP, why me?


 The biggest reasons I see for using frameworks are:
 -code reuse
 -flexibility
 -maintainability
 -documented code

 Well, IMHO these are just clichés.
 - code reuse? I don't see what in non framework application makes
 reusing any code any more difficult.
 - Flexibility? Framework means rules, how can rules add flexibilty?
 - Maintainability? By someone who knows the framework, may be, but for
 other (most of the time), it is like hell.
 - documented code? Any code should be documented, in a framework or not.
 Frameworks do not create documentation.

 Anyway, any experienced programer will end up with his own way to design
 applications,
 this is some kind of a framework, and it is the best one, because it is 
 HIS.

 Gee I'm using a framework, and I didn't even know about it ;-)

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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Aaron Rouse
I believe those are, but all CFM frameworks are not OOP. I do not keep up
with every single one out there so can not sit here and list off the ones
that are OOP and the ones that are not.  A framework can or can not be OOP
it is up to how it was designed.  We use one here at work that is inhouse
built and years old that is not OOP.  I do not know Fusebox but I'd guess
the older versions of it which I know people still use to this day are not
OOP.

It really seems that the very definition of OOP often changes between who
you talk to.  Just seems interesting that someone asks about OOP and it
quickly changes to frameworks.  Someone could have a CFM application that is
OOP and does not adhere to any specific framework.


On 3/6/06, Gareth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Lol, I'm more confused than I thought... So, Model Glue etc are
 frameworks,
 but don't necessarily adhere to OOP. For simplicity sake, are the current
 trend of CF Frameworks such as Model Glue, Fusebox, etc OOP? And, what
 does
 a Framework offer that OOP methodology doesn't?





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RE: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Andy Matthews
Agreed...

There is freedom in rules. Many people overlook that.

For example, if a client says build me a website, but don't use the color
black. You know that you can do anything, in any method as long as you
don't use black.

!//--
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-Original Message-
From: Charlie Hanlon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OOP, why me?


Claude said 'Flexibility? Framework means rules, how can rules add
flexibilty?'

I have often felt that rules (structure,framework) provides the enviroment
for flexiblity

just my 2 cents

charlie hanlon


- Original Message -
From: Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: OOP, why me?


 The biggest reasons I see for using frameworks are:
 -code reuse
 -flexibility
 -maintainability
 -documented code

 Well, IMHO these are just clichés.
 - code reuse? I don't see what in non framework application makes
 reusing any code any more difficult.
 - Flexibility? Framework means rules, how can rules add flexibilty?
 - Maintainability? By someone who knows the framework, may be, but for
 other (most of the time), it is like hell.
 - documented code? Any code should be documented, in a framework or not.
 Frameworks do not create documentation.

 Anyway, any experienced programer will end up with his own way to design
 applications,
 this is some kind of a framework, and it is the best one, because it is
 HIS.

 Gee I'm using a framework, and I didn't even know about it ;-)

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Re: GeoCoding Services

2006-03-06 Thread Deanna Schneider
Very interesting I've got the text-based geocoder.us version working,
which I call when a new submission is made. I think I'll stick with that,
since it's a little more legal and this is a non-commercial app. But,
definitely good to know the hackers route.

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 Use google maps to get the geo-information then save it in the
 database. Still haven't seen any regulations against this in their api
 documents.

 The tutorial with this route is listed here.

 http://tutorial397.easycfm.com/





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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Robert Everland III
I think there are many advantages for using an OOP framework.

1. Most of the major languages are OOP, or are capable of OOP so in learning 
the methodologies of OOP, you will only benefit yourself in the future. To name 
a few that are webcentric, Actionscript, Java, .NET, I will get flamed for 
this, but even javascript is capable of OOP.

2. A framework is extremely nice to help solve the issue of everyone doing 
thier own thing. I work in a place that hires contractors exclusively. Each 
time there is a new contractor, there is a new way of coding. I must have 5 
different coding styles in the applications. If things were in a framework 
there would be no question regarding how things should be laid out, or where 
they put the logic at in the files. I realize that they could have created 
thier own framework here, but they don't have the expertise to do that and it's 
much easier to go off a community base with years of experience instead of 
having to rely on resources that come and go.

I think OOP and frameworks are confusing because ColdFusion allows you to start 
coding without having to get into those things. It's hard to see the benefit 
because once it gets to hard it's very easy to go to coding without thinking of 
those terms. I think once you wrap your head around the ideas of OOP you start 
to see the benefit of it. 




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RE: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Sandra Clark
Model Glue and Mach-ii are implicit invocation frameworks which rely on and
require OOP.

Fusebox is a pipes and filter framework which is procedural in nature and
while it can be used in an Oop like manner, does not require OOP.

Some positive benefits of using an established framework include:
Easier to understand someone elses code once you know the framework
(you don't have to relearn a new way of how an application runs each time
you work with someone else's code)
With all the files around its easier to divide the work  among
varying levels of developers.  (You need one senior level developer who
handles the architecture and the really hard bits of code, someone really
good at SQL for the database interaction and other developers of varying
ability to implement CFC's and display code).  So your costs can go down on
a project since each programmer can program to their own level (hopefully
getting better with each project).

Its easier to find someone who can just jump into your code and be
productive more quickly.

Sandy Clark

-Original Message-
From: Gareth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OOP, why me?

Lol, I'm more confused than I thought... So, Model Glue etc are frameworks,
but don't necessarily adhere to OOP. For simplicity sake, are the current
trend of CF Frameworks such as Model Glue, Fusebox, etc OOP? And, what does
a Framework offer that OOP methodology doesn't?


- Original Message -
From: Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: OOP, why me?


Well adhering to a framework does not mean you are OOP.  I'd think that
would boil down to the framework chosen.

On 3/6/06, Munson, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Gareth,

 I'm in the same boat you are.  Especially after reading a blog entry by
 a prominent figure in the CF community, where the complaint was given
 that simple changes to a framework based site were /not/ simple.  You
 had to modify a few different files just to make a simple change.  Kind
 of goes against the makes modifications easier argument.

 The biggest reasons I see for using frameworks are:
 -code reuse
 -flexibility
 -maintainability
 -documented code

 I can make my applications adhere to the above principles, /without/
 using a framework.  However, I'm eagerly awaiting any responses from the
 framework crowd, as I'm still sitting on the fence.








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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Aaron Rouse
My experience with this has been when a new person is hired who does not
follow an existing framework is they end up creating things outside of the
framework.  It ends up being a little bit of spaghetti.  It does not always
work out that way, but has more times than not out here where they hire
solely contractors.

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  If things were in a framework there would be no question regarding how
 things should be laid out, or where they put the logic at in the files.


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RE: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread John McKown
Knowing where those files are, knowing what they are named automatically,
and other benefits of frameworks outweighs the argument about opening
multiple files.

John McKown
President, CEO 
Delaware.Net, Inc.
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-Original Message-
From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OOP, why me?

Gareth,

I'm in the same boat you are.  Especially after reading a blog entry by
a prominent figure in the CF community, where the complaint was given
that simple changes to a framework based site were /not/ simple.  You
had to modify a few different files just to make a simple change.  Kind
of goes against the makes modifications easier argument.

The biggest reasons I see for using frameworks are: 
-code reuse
-flexibility
-maintainability
-documented code

I can make my applications adhere to the above principles, /without/
using a framework.  However, I'm eagerly awaiting any responses from the
framework crowd, as I'm still sitting on the fence.

 -Original Message-
 From: Gareth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:40 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: OOP, why me?
 
 I'm the sort of person who likes to understand why I'm doing 
 something 
 rather than just do it. If I download a UDF I analyse it and 
 try to learn 
 rather than just stick it into my app and smile because it's 
 worked. With 
 that in mind, I wonder if someone could explain to me in 
 super simple, 
 beginer speak, layman terms what Object Oriented Programming 
 means in terms 
 of CF and why I should use it?
 
 My very basic understanding is that you have different 
 'layers' to perform 
 different tasks, so when someone visits mygroovyform.cfm the 
 processing 
 behind the form is not done on the form page itself but 
 passed to another 
 page which then passes back the results. The back end 
 processing is then 
 done using components (cfc's).
 
 I know that's a very simplified explanation but hopefully 
 it's true in 
 principle. I've written a few very simple CFC's more for the 
 sake of it than 
 because I understood the need. The main arguments I've heard 
 for using this 
 approach is that it's good for code re-use and promotes clean 
 coding. But 
 what I can't get my head around is why? I mean, code isn't 
 necessarily 
 unclean because it's not built using this approach and can't 
 code just as 
 easily be reused using a cfmodule or even a cfinclude? I've 
 also heard it's 
 good in a multi-developer environment, but I'm only me so 
 perhaps there 
 isn't a practical reason for me to learn it at all?
 
 I've read a lot on the subject and I'd like to read more but 
 it's difficult 
 to enthuse myself without understanding what the real end benefit is.
 
 scratches_headModel glue, mach ii, fusebox, etc. I'm sure 
 there's a bloody 
 good reason for 'em but what is it?/scratches_head
 
 Words of wisdom / good reading (including book recommendations) most 
 appreciated.

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RE: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread John McKown
That is just a way to create artificial job security.  Rules is another word
for standards.  The standards are loose enough that you can modify them.
Without standards, there would be no Internet, no POP3, etc.  Frameworks can
eliminate spaghetti code that is inevitable when 4 different developers all
code with their own style on the same site.   Frameworks promote team-based
programming.  If you always code alone, then you are right.  You don't need
them.

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-Original Message-
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OOP, why me?

 The biggest reasons I see for using frameworks are:
-code reuse
-flexibility
-maintainability
-documented code

Well, IMHO these are just clichés.
- code reuse? I don't see what in non framework application makes 
reusing any code any more difficult.
- Flexibility? Framework means rules, how can rules add flexibilty?
- Maintainability? By someone who knows the framework, may be, but for 
other (most of the time), it is like hell.
- documented code? Any code should be documented, in a framework or not. 
Frameworks do not create documentation.

Anyway, any experienced programer will end up with his own way to design 
applications,
this is some kind of a framework, and it is the best one, because it is HIS.

Gee I'm using a framework, and I didn't even know about it ;-)

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Re: Problem with CFEXECUTE

2006-03-06 Thread Srinivasa Teja Palla
hi,
I have cfmx 6.1 and am trying to use pkzipc (command line utility) and 
cfexecute. I created the batchfile to change the directory but nothing happens. 
I appears like it changes the directory and runs the pkzipc command with no 
error msgs, but I dont see any zip file created in teh folder. 

Does anyone know if pkzipc works fine with cfmx

How about a batch file that you run from cfexecute?

This is exactly what I finally made.

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RE: Cf webservice timeout. Etc.

2006-03-06 Thread Katz, Dov B \(IT\)
That much I do, of course.  What I'm looking for is something a bit more
intelligent:

1)  Specify a custom timeout value per webservice function call, and
catch all exceptions, including when it times out. 
2)  come up with thresholds on how many timeouts or errors should
disable that section of the consuming website.  
3) reset the count and timeout  after a given amount of time to allow
the site to retry...

Anyone else have sections of their site which rely on webservices?

dov

-Original Message-
From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Cf webservice timeout. Etc.

How about cftry/cfcatch?

cftry
cfobject 
   webservice= http://www.../wsdl;
   name = myobjectname
cfcatch type=Application
failed
/cfcatch
/cftry 

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:53 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Cf webservice timeout. Etc.
 
 I have an external CF site which uses webservices on my server.
  
 I'm trying to help them come up with some sort of timeout plan to 
 disable a section of their site if for any reason the webservice calls

 timeout, to prevent their server from getting tied up on pending 
 requests.
  
 Currently they use CFobject to create an object on my webservice and 
 call methods on this.  It doesnt' seem like there are any timeouts 
 configurable for this way of consuming my service.
  
 What do most people do here? I was thinking of having them keep a 
 timeout/error count threshold and last-timeout value and if the error 
 count exceeds some threshold, they disable the feature for
 1-2 hours and
 try again, etc...
  
 any advice is welcome...


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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Claude Schneegans
 There is freedom in rules. Many people overlook that.

Sure!
But the question was why more freedom with rules than without?

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RE: GeoCoding Services

2006-03-06 Thread FROEHLING, ROBERT \(ASI-AIT\)
I recommend taking a look at the CFGoogleMaps CFC.

http://www.coldfusionpodcast.com/cfgooglemaps

-Original Message-
From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: GeoCoding Services


Very interesting I've got the text-based geocoder.us version
working,
which I call when a new submission is made. I think I'll stick with
that,
since it's a little more legal and this is a non-commercial app. But,
definitely good to know the hackers route.

On 3/6/06, Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Use google maps to get the geo-information then save it in the
 database. Still haven't seen any regulations against this in their api
 documents.

 The tutorial with this route is listed here.

 http://tutorial397.easycfm.com/







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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Robert Everland III
My experience with this has been when a new person is hired who does not
follow an existing framework is they end up creating things outside of the
framework.  It ends up being a little bit of spaghetti.  It does not always
work out that way, but has more times than not out here where they hire
solely contractors.


I think you are right if the contractor is given no direction. If the existing 
employees give the new programmer direction and let them know that there is no 
programming outside of this framework, then you won't have this issue. If you 
give a programmer no direction and expect them to learn the framework on their 
own, then you are inviting spaghetti code.



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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Aaron Rouse
I think little direction is given in places that hire mainly or solely
contractors.  It seems to become more the attitude of the job needs to get
done as quickly as possible so do what it takes.  That probably is why none
of the standards are truely followed around here.  In the 5-6 years I have
been here, this current group is the first to somewhat follow the standards
that have always been set.  Plus with frameworks unless you have someone
doing some sort of code reviews you probably never would know a contractor
did things different until way after the fact.

On 3/6/06, Robert Everland III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think you are right if the contractor is given no direction. If the
 existing employees give the new programmer direction and let them know that
 there is no programming outside of this framework, then you won't have this
 issue. If you give a programmer no direction and expect them to learn the
 framework on their own, then you are inviting spaghetti code.



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Re: anyone used cfx_zip??

2006-03-06 Thread Duncan
I would suggest you try zip.cfc - its VERY easy to use and it works great!

On 3/7/06, Srinivasa Teja Palla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ya I mailed ben-forta (supposedly written by him). No response as of now. 
 Been more than a couple of days. I am trying to do what I want using a 
 command line pkzip version, and using cfexecute to do it. But no luck that 
 route too as of now... :(


 Isn't cfx_zip a paid tag? Maybe there are some examples in the documentation
 you could try to see if it's a tag or code problem. Failing that, maybe an
 email to the developer. Wish I could offer more help but as I said, I've
 never used it. Sorry.
 
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 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:29 PM
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 Gareth, I tried escaping the double quotes inside(putting them twice) and it
 still would do the full c: I have no clue what's going on.
 
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JRUN and CF7 Enterprise

2006-03-06 Thread Chad McCue
I am running ColdFusion 7 enterprise on a windows2003 server. I am having 
serious JRUN memory problems. My server guy is viewing the coldfusion-event.log 
and sees this line.

03/06 15:38:52 metrics Web Trends (busy/total) {jrpp.busyTh}/{jrpp.totalTh} 
Sessions: 21
Total Memory=247616 Free=22786

He is telling me that the Sessions: 21 is causing the JRUN memory to sky 
rocket and cause the CF server to be unresponsive.

Is that Sessions: 21 equal to the total number of session variables set on 
the server?

And if so, why would 21 sessions cause JRUNs memory to increase to a point 
where CF Server is unresponsive?

Thanks very much in advance.



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Re: SOLVED: Re: query to XML CF 6.1 vs 7

2006-03-06 Thread Will Tomlinson
That'll teach ya to be vague eh ;-)


ohhh so it's *MY* fault ... I see how this works now.  :)
Where's dave the disruptured when I need'em!

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Re: PDF Upload Problems

2006-03-06 Thread Mike Chabot
Deanna,
Thank you for the information. Is there a way to reproduce this
problem, since I cannot seem to do so?

I did some further testing and it appears that CFMX, for the most
part, is determining the MIME-type from the file extension, since I am
able to add .pdf to any file type to get it past the application/pdf
mime type restriction.

Thank you,
Mike Chabot

On 3/6/06, Deanna Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Application/octet-stream is what you'll get if the pdf is open on their
 system when they try to upload it. I don't know of a really great work
 around, other than catching that particular error and telling them to be
 sure to close it before uploading it.

 On 3/6/06, Mike Chabot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  We have a file upload form that only accepts PDF files. A very small
  percentage of people have tried to upload files that end in .pdf,
  but CFMX 6.1 rejects them because they have MIME types of
  application/octet-stream or application/unknown. Since these files
  could not be uploaded, I am not sure if these files are legitimate
  PDFs, so I would like to know if anyone else has experience with this,
  or if there is some advice I can give to the people experiencing these
  problems? At what stage of the upload process does the MIME-type get
  associated with the file?
 
  Thank you,
  Mike Chabot

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Re: SOLVED: Re: query to XML CF 6.1 vs 7

2006-03-06 Thread Bryan Stevenson
 ohhh so it's *MY* fault ... I see how this works now.  :)
 Where's dave the disruptured when I need'em!
 
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yep...damned if ya do...damned if ya don't ;-)

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Re: PDF Upload Problems

2006-03-06 Thread Massimo Foti
 I did some further testing and it appears that CFMX, for the most
 part, is determining the MIME-type from the file extension, since I am
 able to add .pdf to any file type to get it past the application/pdf
 mime type restriction.

I think CF uses the mime-type reported by the browser, but I am not 100% 
sure.

A safer solution to detect the mime-type is something like this:
http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=1229

Of course, that's only after the file is already on the server, so I am not 
sure if it fits your need.


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Re: Dependent Select Lists (possibly)

2006-03-06 Thread Mike Little
thanks for the link andrew. cfajx looks quite interesting. i will definitely 
have a play with the dynamic lists.

mike


 You could build a select box system using cfajax.
  
 First select box is country selection, onChange calls the townCity 
 function that then populates the towncity selection box which then 
 calls the suburb box etc etc
 
 CFAJAX can be found here:
 http://www.indiankey.com/cfajax/examples.asp
 
 Andrew.
 
 Hi guys,
 
 My client wishes the following scenario for new registrations...
 
 User selects country...
 
 if (country is NZ)
  user is required to select town/city eg. Wellington;
  if (town/city is Auckland/Wellington/Christchurch)
  user is required to select suburb;
 If (country is Australia)
  user is required to select state;
  user is then required to select town/city;
  user is then required to select suburb;
 
 Basically this is going to be quite a complicated form. Am I better 
 to
 do a switch on the country, and then load a specific country form? 
 If
 so, what happens when a registrant needs to update details and has
 changed countries - could I have a change country link that redirects 
 to
 the country select?
 
 Generally forms will be in the structure...
 
 Address
 Suburb
 Town/City
 State
 Country
 
 If possible I would have liked to have kept this structure, but am 
 not
 so sure I could achieve the above functionality.
 
 Just thinking aloud a little, but if anyone has worked on something
 similar I would really appreciate any advice.
 
 Regards
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Re: PDF Upload Problems

2006-03-06 Thread Deanna Schneider
I don't personally have a pdf generator, but I can reproduce it with an
excel file, for example. It only happens with IE, though - Firefox correctly
figures out the mime type. But, if you open an excel file with Microsoft
Excel, and then try to upload it via your web page and IE, you'll discover
that it thinks it's an application/octet-stream.


On 3/6/06, Mike Chabot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Deanna,
 Thank you for the information. Is there a way to reproduce this
 problem, since I cannot seem to do so?

 I did some further testing and it appears that CFMX, for the most
 part, is determining the MIME-type from the file extension, since I am
 able to add .pdf to any file type to get it past the application/pdf
 mime type restriction.

 Thank you,
 Mike Chabot

 On 3/6/06, Deanna Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Application/octet-stream is what you'll get if the pdf is open on their
  system when they try to upload it. I don't know of a really great work
  around, other than catching that particular error and telling them to be
  sure to close it before uploading it.
 
  On 3/6/06, Mike Chabot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   We have a file upload form that only accepts PDF files. A very small
   percentage of people have tried to upload files that end in .pdf,
   but CFMX 6.1 rejects them because they have MIME types of
   application/octet-stream or application/unknown. Since these files
   could not be uploaded, I am not sure if these files are legitimate
   PDFs, so I would like to know if anyone else has experience with this,
   or if there is some advice I can give to the people experiencing these
   problems? At what stage of the upload process does the MIME-type get
   associated with the file?
  
   Thank you,
   Mike Chabot

 

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Re: ANN: ColdFusion tag for tabbed GUIs

2006-03-06 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 You can grab it from here:
 http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/tag/tabs/

 Nice.
 Can it cope with iFrame's in the tabs ?

 I never tried them, but I am positive it would be just
 fine

I would expect this from any dhtml tabset.

 auto(re)sizeing would be a nifty feature - something that
 is hard to get
 right
 in our own home grown tag.

 I know, but that would require to stretch JavaScript a bit
 too much for my
 tastes...
 As an alternative to iframes yuo could use div with
 overflow: scroll.
 But then you will only get scrollbars, not
 auto(re)sizeing.

When I wrote mine I built the overflow: auto (not scroll) into them by
default with an optional argument to disable the scrolling... With
scrolling disabled iirc the tabset sometimes becomes larger when you
select a tab which has content which is wider or taller than is
specified for the tabset. Looks wierd in IE -- probably looks way
broken in FireFox (that tendancy FF has to display the content of a
box expanding to the right of the box itself without expanding the box
-- never understood why that was considered desirable behavior).

s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201
new epoch : isn't it time for a change?

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Re: ANN: ColdFusion tag for tabbed GUIs

2006-03-06 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/tag/tabs/

 The look and feel is totally CSS driven. I suggest to
 take a look at the
 samples to see the level of flexibility available.

 Looks like given some tweaks it might be a good
 work-around for the
 tabbed Flash forms (sh!)

 Sh! I have an accordion tag on my to-do list. Just
 don't tell abou it
 to anybody; okay? :-))

 Massimo

Heh... They look allright... the graphic-based tabs were flaky for me
in IE6 ... I didn't dig around to figure out why... There's also jTab
 don't remember who wrote that one... and then there's all the GUI
elements in the onTap framework, which have more features than either
of these (tabs on any edge of the tabset for example), but which
haven't seen widespread implementation (yet) because of their being
integrated into the framework. Tabsets, accordians, cardstacks (which
have no flash form equivalent yet), dhtml menus, trees, most of which
automatically degrade when you disable javascript for the page (there
were too many options of how to degrade a tabset so I decided not to
lock them into any single method)... I'm thinking about going over the
tree code again to make it easier to add nodes to the tree via the
framework's ajax-esque javascript gateways. Right now you'd probably
do that by replacing the whole tree, although that's still gonna be a
smaller request than refreshing the whole page...

Anyway... not really meaning to steal the limelight here (why I didn't
respond to your original post) -- just saying, there are already some
other cf-based alternatives to flash forms. But the competition is
good! It means people have more options. :)

s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201
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Re: Calculate the time elapsed between two dates based on business hrs

2006-03-06 Thread rhymes with 'loud'
Hi Tom. I tackled this exact item last year, creating a tag that derives the 
result based on the number of business minutes between two given datetimes. The 
result is returned in either weeks, days, hours, or minutes depending on what 
return parameter you give it. The work hours are optional arguments (it assumes 
8 to 5), it takes into account lunch time (which you pass in), and several 
other variables. I made it pretty thorough. 

Email me and I'll send you the code. The one part you'll have to touch is the 
part that takes into account company holidays, since every company has 
different holidays.

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Doug  :0)

Has anyone tackled this before?  I am trying to calculate the time
elapsed between two dates based on business hrs. It will be used to
build a report that tells us how long it takes to process an order.
Basically only M-F 8am-6pm counts.  Using datediff  uses a 24hr
calendar.  I've looked at cflib.org for any functions.  The actual
records are in sql so a sql function might be better.  Any pointers in
the right direction  would be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Greg Luce
What would you strip out of Fusebox? If you look at FB4.1 there isn't any
crap that I know of. It's a couple XML files, and the core-files.

Greg

On 3/6/06, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Depends what framework.
 The best thing is to take the bits you like and roll your own.
 I don't like the OO frameworks like Model-Glue as they take something
 simple
 (a web site) and make it extremely complicated.
 Fusebox can be good if you strip out all the crap.

 Russ

 -Original Message-
 From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 06 March 2006 18:29
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: OOP, why me?

 Gareth,

 I'm in the same boat you are.  Especially after reading a blog entry by a
 prominent figure in the CF community, where the complaint was given that
 simple changes to a framework based site were /not/ simple.  You had to
 modify a few different files just to make a simple change.  Kind of goes
 against the makes modifications easier argument.

 The biggest reasons I see for using frameworks are:
 -code reuse
 -flexibility
 -maintainability
 -documented code

 I can make my applications adhere to the above principles, /without/ using
 a
 framework.  However, I'm eagerly awaiting any responses from the framework
 crowd, as I'm still sitting on the fence.

  -Original Message-
  From: Gareth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:40 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: OOP, why me?
 
  I'm the sort of person who likes to understand why I'm doing something
  rather than just do it. If I download a UDF I analyse it and try to
  learn rather than just stick it into my app and smile because it's
  worked. With that in mind, I wonder if someone could explain to me in
  super simple, beginer speak, layman terms what Object Oriented
  Programming means in terms of CF and why I should use it?
 
  My very basic understanding is that you have different 'layers' to
  perform different tasks, so when someone visits mygroovyform.cfm the
  processing behind the form is not done on the form page itself but
  passed to another page which then passes back the results. The back
  end processing is then done using components (cfc's).
 
  I know that's a very simplified explanation but hopefully it's true in
  principle. I've written a few very simple CFC's more for the sake of
  it than because I understood the need. The main arguments I've heard
  for using this approach is that it's good for code re-use and promotes
  clean coding. But what I can't get my head around is why? I mean, code
  isn't necessarily unclean because it's not built using this approach
  and can't code just as easily be reused using a cfmodule or even a
  cfinclude? I've also heard it's good in a multi-developer environment,
  but I'm only me so perhaps there isn't a practical reason for me to
  learn it at all?
 
  I've read a lot on the subject and I'd like to read more but it's
  difficult to enthuse myself without understanding what the real end
  benefit is.
 
  scratches_headModel glue, mach ii, fusebox, etc. I'm sure there's a
  bloody good reason for 'em but what is it?/scratches_head
 
  Words of wisdom / good reading (including book recommendations) most
  appreciated.

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Re: Query of Queries and GROUP - problem

2006-03-06 Thread rhymes with 'loud'
My guess is that Region is a reserved word *somewhere* between CF, the OS, 
the web server...something. That's probably why aliasing the field names fixed 
the problem. In fact, I would bet that if you just aliased the region field and 
grouped by it, it would STILL work on both your dev box and the other. :0)

Doug  :0)

When you figure out the specs on the production server, be sure to post -
because I've never had this problem and it this is a new issue with 7 (we're
not there yet), we're going to be in for  a world of hurt.

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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Claude Schneegans
 I don't like the OO frameworks like Model-Glue as they take something 
simple
(a web site) and make it extremely complicated.

Exactly!

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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Claude Schneegans
 What would you strip out of Fusebox?

*.* ;-)

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Truncated Emails : maybe OT

2006-03-06 Thread Charlie Hanlon
Excuse me if this is too OT, but I have an end user who recieves HTML emails 
from us, and the last few have been truncated with the bottom of the page 
displayin [Message clipped].

Can anyone point me in the right direction to solve this.

thanks,
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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Mike Kear
This thread has drifted away from Gareth's original question.  There's
nothing wrong with that, but I dont think anyone's actually answered
him.I'm going to have a go at it .

Why bother with OOP, when other ways get the job done?

I'm a recent convert to OOP.  I struggled with it for ages, till finally the
light came on and i had one of those Eureka! moments when it finally made
sense.  And I'm extremely grateful that it did.  Gareth, I strongly urge you
to keep on with it and you'll see the light, I feel sure.Let me tell you
some of the things I find helpful about this process.  I'm sure you've seen
the arguments from the likes of Hal Helms et al. and thought as I did that
looks really great, but I can't see where I get practical benefits out of
all that work to learn it.

Perhaps I can give you a parallel  when you learn how to style pages
with CSS, suddenly the separation of style and look and feel from the code
is very liberating.   Your code is simpler and easier to maintain.  Using
OOP gives you similar benefits.

When you do a query on a database, you then move that query object around,
getting access to the elements in that query, which might number thousands
of elements with a few logical, easily understood CF expressions.Well
when you use OOP techniques, you get that same benefit in many other
ways.  Instead of just queries you're bouncing around your pages, you can
manipulate other neat little bundles of data.

For example,  I usually use beans.   Say for example a User bean.  There's a
value in the bean for every field in the User table.   So if I'm doing a
user profile form for example, I'll know that once the bean is created there
will always be a value for every field in the form.  Gone forever is the
variableA is not defined errors that drove me crazy before.  When I create
a User bean, and initialise it with the Kear record, I know that when I pass
the bean to a page, every detail about Kear is available with for example
#User.getFirstName()#.

During January, when everyone else was having a holiday relaxing on the
beach, I was sitting in the tent writing my new Content Management
System.  It's the most complex app I've ever written.  But it was a joy to
write.   Because I decided long ago that no matter what it took, I was going
to persevere until I understood this OOP thingy, I only used this bean/DAO
approach to it.  And the end result includes the following:

   - It's easy to build because OOP forces you to modularise all the
   app's procedures into small, self-contained elements
   - It's easy to maintain because of the above, and because you can find
   the bit of code you want far easier.  e.g. ALL your queries on the
   User table will be in the component UserDAO.cfc (in my example)
   - The resulting app is far more robust than any app I've ever
   written.  To my astonishment I found I was regularly writing bits of the
   application that worked first time, no errors.  And far fewer bugs to iron
   out that I'd been used to.
   - The CMS is more complex than anything I've ever done, but works
   faster and is easire to customise than anything I've ever done.  Since I
   built it, I've added major elements, and made numerous minor changes as I've
   had client reaction, and it's a breeze to do.
   - The CMS is easily deployable.  Since I built that one in January,
   I've reproduced it and customised it for 4 more sites that are about to be
   deployed.  I wouldnt have DREAMED of attempting to build 5 sites
   simultaneously before.The sites look totally different ot the casual
   visitors, but they are built on the same core code, with all the differences
   being in a few places in teh code, put there to hold customised elements,
   and with different CSS style sheets.
   - This OOP thing has allowed me to get my mind organised to the point
   where I have a code generator to look after most of the drudgery of writing
   all those getters and setters and common methods.

In short - it's bloody magic!

Gareth, until you have that eureka moment it looks like a lot of effort to
learn all this strange language for little return.  I'm far from an expert,
but I've been through that  'Eureka moment and I can see that persevering
is worth it.  The terminology is confusing at first, and some people seem to
like dumping a whole lot of strange jargon on you which bamboozles the
beginner (which is in part why I've tried to keep away from it entirely
here)  but focus on what it does for you.   In my case, i reasoned that if
all those programmers talked and lived this OOP thing so much, and wrote
such complicated programs of all kinds with it, there must be something I
could learn from it.

I think you can too if you keep on going with it. If i can help you ( or
anyone else for that matter ) off line, please contact me.

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET 

Re: Truncated Emails : maybe OT

2006-03-06 Thread Bryan Stevenson
spam filter??

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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Josh Nathanson
Mike, can you please define two things in your message:

1. bean - I know this is related to the java style method of OO but can you 
please expound?
2. DAO

-- Josh



- Original Message - 
From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: OOP, why me?


 This thread has drifted away from Gareth's original question.  There's
 nothing wrong with that, but I dont think anyone's actually answered
 him.I'm going to have a go at it .

 Why bother with OOP, when other ways get the job done?

 I'm a recent convert to OOP.  I struggled with it for ages, till finally 
 the
 light came on and i had one of those Eureka! moments when it finally 
 made
 sense.  And I'm extremely grateful that it did.  Gareth, I strongly urge 
 you
 to keep on with it and you'll see the light, I feel sure.Let me tell 
 you
 some of the things I find helpful about this process.  I'm sure you've 
 seen
 the arguments from the likes of Hal Helms et al. and thought as I did 
 that
 looks really great, but I can't see where I get practical benefits out of
 all that work to learn it.

 Perhaps I can give you a parallel  when you learn how to style pages
 with CSS, suddenly the separation of style and look and feel from the code
 is very liberating.   Your code is simpler and easier to maintain.  Using
 OOP gives you similar benefits.

 When you do a query on a database, you then move that query object around,
 getting access to the elements in that query, which might number thousands
 of elements with a few logical, easily understood CF expressions.Well
 when you use OOP techniques, you get that same benefit in many other
 ways.  Instead of just queries you're bouncing around your pages, you can
 manipulate other neat little bundles of data.

 For example,  I usually use beans.   Say for example a User bean.  There's 
 a
 value in the bean for every field in the User table.   So if I'm doing a
 user profile form for example, I'll know that once the bean is created 
 there
 will always be a value for every field in the form.  Gone forever is the
 variableA is not defined errors that drove me crazy before.  When I 
 create
 a User bean, and initialise it with the Kear record, I know that when I 
 pass
 the bean to a page, every detail about Kear is available with for example
 #User.getFirstName()#.

 During January, when everyone else was having a holiday relaxing on the
 beach, I was sitting in the tent writing my new Content Management
 System.  It's the most complex app I've ever written.  But it was a joy to
 write.   Because I decided long ago that no matter what it took, I was 
 going
 to persevere until I understood this OOP thingy, I only used this bean/DAO
 approach to it.  And the end result includes the following:

   - It's easy to build because OOP forces you to modularise all the
   app's procedures into small, self-contained elements
   - It's easy to maintain because of the above, and because you can find
   the bit of code you want far easier.  e.g. ALL your queries on the
   User table will be in the component UserDAO.cfc (in my example)
   - The resulting app is far more robust than any app I've ever
   written.  To my astonishment I found I was regularly writing bits of the
   application that worked first time, no errors.  And far fewer bugs to 
 iron
   out that I'd been used to.
   - The CMS is more complex than anything I've ever done, but works
   faster and is easire to customise than anything I've ever done.  Since I
   built it, I've added major elements, and made numerous minor changes as 
 I've
   had client reaction, and it's a breeze to do.
   - The CMS is easily deployable.  Since I built that one in January,
   I've reproduced it and customised it for 4 more sites that are about to 
 be
   deployed.  I wouldnt have DREAMED of attempting to build 5 sites
   simultaneously before.The sites look totally different ot the casual
   visitors, but they are built on the same core code, with all the 
 differences
   being in a few places in teh code, put there to hold customised 
 elements,
   and with different CSS style sheets.
   - This OOP thing has allowed me to get my mind organised to the point
   where I have a code generator to look after most of the drudgery of 
 writing
   all those getters and setters and common methods.

 In short - it's bloody magic!

 Gareth, until you have that eureka moment it looks like a lot of effort 
 to
 learn all this strange language for little return.  I'm far from an 
 expert,
 but I've been through that  'Eureka moment and I can see that persevering
 is worth it.  The terminology is confusing at first, and some people seem 
 to
 like dumping a whole lot of strange jargon on you which bamboozles the
 beginner (which is in part why I've tried to keep away from it entirely
 here)  but focus on what it does for you.   In my case, i reasoned that if
 all those programmers talked 

OT: quickee Windows permission

2006-03-06 Thread Matt Robertson
I am running Win2k3 server Std and win2k wkstns.  Yesterday I was running a 
win2k server.

All of my users must access a DOS batch file that executes the command

type filename.ps  lpt1 (which at least in the past was a faster way to send 
a file to a printer than copy filename.ps lpt1).  LPT1 is a networked printer.

Now the command doesn't work.  Access denied is coming from the printer 
resource (the disk resource is set up to allow full control).

Does anyone know where I set the permissions on this?  I have played around 
with printer ownership/rights but nothing seems to be working.  I may need to  
reboot the server to reset the resource, which is tough to explain to the 
masses if I have to keep doing it as I experiment.

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Re: Query of Queries and GROUP - problem

2006-03-06 Thread Roberto Perez
 I would bet that if you just 
 aliased the region field and grouped by it, it would STILL work on 
 both your dev box and the other. :0)
 


Mmm... no, I aliased and unaliased (if that word exists) one by one all the 
columns in different combinations each time (in Group alone, in Group and 
CFoutput, in CFoutput alone, etc), and the only way it worked was to have all 
of them aliased.

Like I said, the output of a ColumnList command yielded different values for 
each column on my desktop and on the server, but the aliases were interpreted 
exactly the same by both development and production servers (still waiting on 
the specs of the production one). Why the columns were being interpreted 
differently by DEV and PRO, that would be good to know.

Roberto

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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Mike Kear
G'day Josh,

I wanted to avoid using the OOP jargon terms that so confused me when I was
learning, but a few sneaked in there.   For all I know I have it confused
myself, but it works for me so let me see if i can try and explain it
without using the OOP jargon, then when you go and read a more knowledgeable
explanation it might make more sense to you  (note to experts - I know
this is simplified, but that's what's sorely lacking to beginners at this
OOP thing)

A bean is a CFC containing a single object.   Think of a query.  It is an
object that might contain a thousand records.   We're all used to creating
the query object at the top of a page, and passing it around the page,
accessing the elements inside it at points down the page.

A bean contains all the data relating to one record. A user bean for
example might be a cfc that has a value for a single user's first name, last
name, email address, username, password  etc.So by passing the User bean
to a page, in one element you pass everything the bean knows about one
person. The only job the bean does is hold the data about one record so
it can be passed around the site.Think of it as a coffee bean.  In the
coffee jar, there is a bean with Kear on it, and another with Josh on it
and thousands of others.   Want to know about kear?  just get the Kear
 bean.(Actually what you do is initialise the User bean with the Kear
data).  Inside the Kear bean is a value #user.getLastName()# and another
value #user.getEmail()#.At any point, values can be changed it your app
requires it by #user.setEmail()#   Now the bean has a different value for
email.

The UsersDAO (Data Access Object) is the cfc that looks after all the
database interaction with the Users table.  It contains the CRUD  (Create,
Read, Update, Delete) methods and some others.   It's where all your queries
are.   So to save the new email value to the database for example,   you
pass the User bean into the update() method of the UserDAO.cfc.  ALL the
values currently in the bean are saved to the User table.   You dont need to
check any more whether you have values for this field or that field, because
ALL the fields always have values in the bean, even if they're Null values.


This is not the only way to think of these things.   But it's what I used in
my CMS app, and it works pretty fine for me.

Multiply this by 15-20 tables and before you know it you have a framework,
whether you call it Model-Glue or MachII or Scaffolding.  What the framework
gives you is a defined, organised way or doing things so that others
following along behind you or working along with you know what's going to be
where.

I'm doing some work right now on an old app that was written some years ago,
and it takes me 40 minutes finding the code i want to change for every 5
minutes actually making changes.   With a framework, that ratio is reversed.

I hope this helps you.

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
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On 3/7/06, Josh Nathanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mike, can you please define two things in your message:

 1. bean - I know this is related to the java style method of OO but can
 you
 please expound?
 2. DAO

 -- Josh




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RE: quickee Windows permission

2006-03-06 Thread Dave Watts
 I am running Win2k3 server Std and win2k wkstns.  Yesterday I 
 was running a win2k server.
 
 All of my users must access a DOS batch file that executes the 
 command
 
 type filename.ps  lpt1 (which at least in the past was a 
 faster way to send a file to a printer than copy filename.ps 
 lpt1).  LPT1 is a networked printer.
 
 Now the command doesn't work.  Access denied is coming from 
 the printer resource (the disk resource is set up to allow 
 full control).
 
 Does anyone know where I set the permissions on this?  I have 
 played around with printer ownership/rights but nothing seems 
 to be working.  I may need to  reboot the server to reset the 
 resource, which is tough to explain to the masses if I have 
 to keep doing it as I experiment.

Are you doing this through a CFEXECUTE tag? If so, your CF server will have
to run as a user with the appropriate network rights, and LPT1 will have to
be redirected for that user appropriately.

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Re: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
  I don't like the OO frameworks like Model-Glue as they
  take something
 simple
 (a web site) and make it extremely complicated.

 Exactly!

I don't use frameworks to build web sites... I use them to build
applications, which are often not simple. :)



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Re: Query of Queries and GROUP - problem

2006-03-06 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Incidentally, you can use [] to escape reserved words in query of
queries. I've had to do that on a few occasions, and I made sure when
I implemented my locale-specific query sorting function that it
escaped the column names being passed in this way since I couldn't
know that it wouldn't be used to sort on reserved words for query of
queries.

 My guess is that Region is a reserved word *somewhere*
 between CF, the OS, the web server...something. That's
 probably why aliasing the field names fixed the problem.
 In fact, I would bet that if you just aliased the region
 field and grouped by it, it would STILL work on both your
 dev box and the other. :0)

 Doug  :0)

When you figure out the specs on the production server, be
sure to post -
because I've never had this problem and it this is a new
issue with 7 (we're
not there yet), we're going to be in for  a world of hurt.

On 3/4/06, Roberto Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201
new epoch : isn't it time for a change?

add features without fixtures with
the onTap open source framework

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RE: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Dave Watts
  There is freedom in rules. Many people overlook that.
 
 Sure!
 But the question was why more freedom with rules than without?

Well, I'm sure to piss someone off with an analogy or two later in the
thread, but here goes.

The freedom that any set of rules provides is the freedom to avoid having to
answer every question about how to do something, every time it comes up. If
I don't have to decide what to name a program, or where to put it, or how
other programs interact with it, I can focus on the unique, important things
about that program and what it has to do. Of course, that's a somewhat
elastic definition of freedom, but important nonetheless.

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RE: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Rick Faircloth
How about a sample (and simple) app that shows
the OOP method at work...(as simple as possible
to demonstrate the concept) wihtout any jargon 
in the explanation...

Or perhaps there is one already that you can reference?

Rick

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:11 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: OOP, why me?
 
If i can 
 help you ( or
 anyone else for that matter ) off line, please contact me.
 



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RE: OOP, why me?

2006-03-06 Thread Rick Faircloth
And what is the minimum required version of CF
to use these OOP methods?

Rick


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 From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 6:03 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: OOP, why me?
 
 
 G'day Josh,
 
 I wanted to avoid using the OOP jargon terms that so confused me 
 when I was
 learning, but a few sneaked in there.   For all I know I have it confused



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