date:20061212

On Monday 11 December 2006 21:14, OÄuz DemirkapÄ± wrote:
their clients issues to update Flash Player. They have some important
clients which do not have any rights to update any software on their
computers as policy and they can not update into the current Flash
Player and this is a big issue for us now.

Now is a time for them to engage then.
Play the 'flash 9 is more secure' card if you have to.
At the end of the day, if they really like the app, they'll update.

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last updated date from MySql database

2006-12-12 Thread Will Swain

Hi,
 
I want to show the last updated date on a site. Rather than do this
manually, is there a way I can get this programatically for a table in
mySQL? 
 
Also, is it possible with an MSACCESS database? Part of the site runs on an
old access database, so rather than update it all (they don't want to pay
for it) it would be cool to grab all these dates from the databases and
compare them to find the most recent one.
 
Thanks in advance guys
 
Will


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Re: MySQL vs PostgreSQL

2006-12-12 Thread Paul Hastings

Jochem van Dieten wrote:
 You should give the command line client (psql) a try. A command line client
 may sound archaic, but it offers some pretty nifty advantages:

and of course it will put hair on your chest.

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Re: Flash Player 8+ requirement for an App

2006-12-12 Thread Jochem van Dieten

O?uz Demirkap? wrote:
 
 If you have an application which requires Flash 8+ to run but your 
 client`s clients could not update their Flash player because of lack of 
 knowledge or without having required rights.

 What would you suggest to your client?

Send him 2 quotes, one for the application using Flash 8, one for the 
application using a custom workaround to work without Flash 8.

Jochem

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Dynamicaly Building CFSTOREDPROC tag, can it be done?

2006-12-12 Thread Andy Mcshane

Before I spend a load of time that I really do not have available at present 
experimenting with this I thought that I would ask the question here. I was 
wondering if anybody has ever dynamically built a cfstoredproc tag and then 
executed it. The situation I have is that I have ben asked if it is possible to 
dynamically build a cfstoredproc tag on the fly when you only know the number 
and type of parameters and SQL stored procedure name at run time. Has anybody 
ever done anything like this before? 

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Re: whats the purpose of an objectFactory?

As others are indicating, factories become more and more useful as your
application becomes more and more complex.

In the first app i built using CFC's, after about a year of iterations and
improvements, i had well over 1800 CreateObject() calls in the thing. One
day a problem arose because of the mapping to those objects. I wanted to
fork the development, maintain the current version and keep going with a new
one. So the 2 versions couldn't use the same mapping.

I was nervous about doing a search and replace through the whole
application, because i wasn't sure if it would break anything. So i
carefully stepped through each CreateObject() call. It took me a long time,
and i made a few mistakes along the way. All in all, i think it took me the
better part of a day more or less to deal with it, after dithering about my
approach, working through all those CreateObject() calls, and fixing my
mistakes.

It was on that day that the usefulness of factories really came home to me.
If i had encapsulated all my CreateObject() calls in a factory, i could have
simply copied the original, ran a quick search and replace on the copy, and
even could have swapped the new factory in for the old one.

If i had to possible fix a mapping issue every time i installed an instance
of my app, if it were an ASP type of thing, then i'd only need to adjust the
factory.

Which makes all the instances of my app MUCH more maintainable, because i
can roll out bug fixes to all the instances without fiddling with each one.

Mike's comment about how CFC use has increased also applied to me. It didn't
make sense to use a factory to me at first either. But the need crept up on
me. That's the reason i'd suggest to someone for getting into factories
early. Encapsulating object creation make your app much more flexible and
easy to maintain, down the road. It's really true, even in ColdFusion.

Nando

On 12/12/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

My experience has been thinking i only have a few objects so it's not
really worth the effort of building a factory. But i built one anyway
for the experience. But when i look at that first OOP project now, a
year later, i see my site which was originally going to have only 10
objects now has more than 50. I'm REALLY glad i built the factory now!

Once you see how great this OOP thing is, you start bolting on
applications like there's no tomorrow, and complexity starts coming
looking for you.

When you think you are only going to have a few objects, I reckon for
most cases, that's only because you have missed something. And you're
going to get more complexity anyway.

Cheers
Mike Kear
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On 12/12/06, Judith Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm going to look for some decent example of a objectFactory and do
some testing to see if there is a performance hit.

That sounds like a great idea. Here is an objectFactory to look at and
compare with:

http://www.phillnacelli.net/blog/index.cfm/2006/11/21/ObjectFactory-Explained

Please let us know what you find.

-Aaron
Well, as I believe Chris Scott explained in his article ColdSpring
Fundamentals (FAQU 2), object factories really make a difference when your
application gets highly complex and you start having many more objects to
initialize with dependencies... That's what ColdSpring tries to do, to
manage the objects for you. If you've only got 8 or 9 objects, then maybe an
object factory is not for you.

Judith

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RE: CFSearch taking well over 1min to return anything.

2006-12-12 Thread Doug Bezona

I have experienced this with collections that are built up incrementally
over time, where basically the index ends up in a very inefficient
state. Try re-indexing the collection and see if it improves the query
time.

 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Phillips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:38 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFSearch taking well over 1min to return anything.

 Has anyone else experienced this?  I have a collection that is taking
90
 seconds to do a CFSEARCH.  It has probably about 10k-15k records in
it.
 This is only ONE collection and it's doing a simple search.  The
 collection has both files (word, pdf, excel) and data (from custom
 queries).  90 seconds is just unacceptable and I need to find out WHY
it's
 taking so long and an alternative solution.  Any thoughts or
suggestions?

 We are running CFMX 6.1 and cannot upgrade to CFMX 7 at this time.

 Thanks,

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ts date format

2006-12-12 Thread Orlini, Robert

How can I have a search with two dynamic dates; one the day before and one the 
current day? I current use an Access dbase and have the timereceived field set 
as date/time.

This line works: where timereceived between {ts '2006-12-06 00:00:00'} and {ts 
'2006-12-09 00:00:00'} 

But I need it to be dynamic. 

I tried this: 
cfset today = #dateformat(now()-1)#

where timereceived = '#dateformat(today, -mm-dd)#'

but of course it gives a Data type mismatch in criteria expression. error

Here is the code:
CFQUERY name=get datasource=bbb _log
SELECT * FROM bbb
where timereceived between {ts '2006-12-06 00:00:00'} and {ts '2006-12-09 
00:00:00'} 
/cfquery

Thanks.

RO
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RE: ts date format

2006-12-12 Thread Ben Forta

Use CreateODBCDate() to format the dates.

Also, just an FYI, when you use BETWEEN with date/time fields, you need to
accommodate the time part of the field. Generally a DBMS DateDiff() is a
better option.

--- Ben



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From: Orlini, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:53 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: ts date format

How can I have a search with two dynamic dates; one the day before and one
the current day? I current use an Access dbase and have the timereceived
field set as date/time.

This line works: where timereceived between {ts '2006-12-06 00:00:00'} and
{ts '2006-12-09 00:00:00'} 

But I need it to be dynamic. 

I tried this: 
cfset today = #dateformat(now()-1)#

where timereceived = '#dateformat(today, -mm-dd)#'

but of course it gives a Data type mismatch in criteria expression. error

Here is the code:
CFQUERY name=get datasource=bbb _log SELECT * FROM bbb where
timereceived between {ts '2006-12-06 00:00:00'} and {ts '2006-12-09
00:00:00'} /cfquery

Thanks.

RO
HWW






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Re: ts date format

2006-12-12 Thread Jim Wright

Orlini, Robert wrote:
 How can I have a search with two dynamic dates; one the day before and one 
 the current day? I current use an Access dbase and have the timereceived 
 field set as date/time.
 
 This line works: where timereceived between {ts '2006-12-06 00:00:00'} and 
 {ts '2006-12-09 00:00:00'} 
 
 But I need it to be dynamic. 
 
 I tried this: 
 cfset today = #dateformat(now()-1)#
 
 where timereceived = '#dateformat(today, -mm-dd)#'
 
 but of course it gives a Data type mismatch in criteria expression. error
 
 Here is the code:
 CFQUERY name=get datasource=bbb _log
 SELECT * FROM bbb
 where timereceived between {ts '2006-12-06 00:00:00'} and {ts '2006-12-09 
 00:00:00'} 
 /cfquery
 
I think you are looking for something like...
cfset startdate = now() - 1
cfset enddate = now() + 1

CFQUERY name=get datasource=bbb _log
SELECT * FROM bbb
where timereceived between #createodbcdate(startdate)# and 
#createodbcdate(enddate)#
/cfquery

That will get everything from midnight of the previous day to midnight 
of the current day.

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Re: whats the purpose of an objectFactory?

PS ... On the way to the post office to check my mail, i realized i forgot
to say something in my reply. :-)

Your approach of creating all your objects in Application.cfm and placing
them in application scope kind of encapsulates your object creation for now.
But this approach will break down the moment you need an object in a
different scope, say session scope.

And the way it seems you are doing it is not as efficient as it could be.
I'm looking at your example and assuming it's verbatim:

cfset application.objectOne = CreateObject('component', 'cfc.navigation')
cfset application.objectTwo = CreateObject('component', 'cfc.users')
cfset application.objectThree = CreateObject('component', 'cfc.email')

In this way, you recreate the objects for each request. There's little point
in using application scope in this case.

It would be much more efficient if you created a singleton factory in
application.cfm like so (with a double lock as shown, to make sure you have
only one instance of the Factory in application scope):

cfif NOT StructKeyExists(application,Factory)
cflock name=factoryLock Timeout=10 THROWONTIMEOUT=No
Type=Exclusive
cfif NOT StructKeyExists(application,Factory)
cfset application.Factory = CreateObject('component','
cfc.Factory').init(passInAppSettingsHere)
/cfif
/cflock
/cfif

And then in Factory.init(), you can instantiate any singletons you need into
the variables scope of the factory and they'll persist then effectively in
application scope for the duration of your application.

A singleton, if you don't know the term, is one and only one instance of an
object that persists in application scope in CF. I guess you could also use
the term for a server scoped object.

--- simple Factory.cfc example ---

cffunction name=init access=public returntype=Factory output=no
cfargument name=AppSettings type=any required=Yes/
cfset variables.AppSettings = arguments.AppSettings /
cfset variables.Navigation = createNavigation() /
cfset variables.Navigation.init(variables.AppSettings.getDsn()) /
cfreturn this /
/cffunction

cffunction name=createNavigation access=public returntype=any
output=no
cfset var Navigation = createObject('component','cfc.Navigation') /
cfreturn Navigation /
/cffunction

cffunction name=getNavigation access=public returntype=any
output=no
cfreturn variables.Navigation /
/cffunction

...

When you need your persisted Navigation object somewhere in your
application, you can do  this:

application.Factory.getNavigation
().getBreadcrumb(uniqueIdentifierForThisPage)

And if you need the navigation for a particular visitor you, could do
something like this:

session.navigation = application.Factory.createNavigation()
..
session.navigation.setUserRole(session.User.getRole())
session.navigation.getUserNav()

The example might be a bit contrived, but i'm only trying to show that with
a factory, you can cache objects in application scope within the factory
itself, which means you only need to deal with double locking in one place
for singletons. Or you can use the same factory to create objects for one
time use or session scoped objects.

Different people will design factories in different ways, and use different
naming conventions for the functions. The more sophisticated your factory,
the more flexible and abstract. You could for instance build a load()
function something like this:

cffunction name=load access=public returntype=any output=false
cfargument name=objectName required=Yes type=string /
cfargument name=isSingleton default=false type=boolean /

cfif arguments.isSingleton IS true
cfif StructKeyExists(variables,arguments.objectName)
return variables[arguments.objectName]
cfelse
create arguments.objectName
put it in variables scope
return variables[arguments.objectName]
/cfif
cfelse
create arguments.objectName
return it
/cfif
/cffunction

That's fine, but what if you need to pass in parameters to your init()
function? how would you do that? What if one of your parameters is another
object?

Now we're getting close to ColdSpring, so we might as well use it. But for
most people starting out with factories, it's probably easier to get a feel
for them using a simple factory you build yourself that has separate
create() or get() functions for each object. Once the usefulness of it
really clicks, then ColdSpring might be the next step.

But i can guarantee to you that factories can be very useful. You just need
to take a few more steps into deeper water with your CFC use and it will
become apparent.


On 12/12/06, Nando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As others are indicating, factories become more and more useful as your
 application becomes more and more complex.

 In the first app i built using CFC's, after about a year of iterations and
 improvements, i had well over 1800 CreateObject() calls in the

RE: What's the name of that CF server...

2006-12-12 Thread Andy Matthews

I'd be interested in knowing what new things it brings to the table.

!//--
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certified advanced coldfusion programmer
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615.370.1530 x737
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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:49 PM
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Subject: RE: What's the name of that CF server...


IgniteFusion certainly looks good on the website at initial glance...

- It's Free
- Custom Tags
- UDFs
- CFCs
- Application and Session Scoping
- Stored Procedure Support
- Good database compatibility
- Small Footprint (2MB)

Hmmm doesn't support cfqueryparam, however... I've been using
that forever... does everyone still consider that imperative for security?

Doesn't use CFSchedule, but Windows Scheduler can take care of that.

Doesn't support LSParseCurrency ... problem...
Doesn't support LSParseNumber ... problem...

(Could Regex's take the place of those fuctions?)

Everything else I can live without...

Sounds pretty good...

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RE: last updated date from MySql database

2006-12-12 Thread Will Swain

Resending this. I had a major mailserver problem this am and lost a few
mails, so just incase I missed any replies!

-Original Message-
From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 12 December 2006 09:55
To: CF-Talk
Subject: last updated date from MySql database

Hi,

I want to show the last updated date on a site. Rather than do this
manually, is there a way I can get this programatically for a table in
mySQL? 

Also, is it possible with an MSACCESS database? Part of the site runs on an
old access database, so rather than update it all (they don't want to pay
for it) it would be cool to grab all these dates from the databases and
compare them to find the most recent one.

Thanks in advance guys

Will

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Re: Wierd IE 7 issue

2006-12-12 Thread Jake Churchill

I encountered the same thing when I first started testing on IE7.  If 
you use the Enter button to submit the form, the submit form element 
does not get passed.  My workaround for this was to create a hidden 
variable with the same name as the submit button so the action page will 
test for if isdefined(form.submit) and will find it regardless.

Bruce Sorge wrote:
 Hey,
 has anyone ran into an issue where ID7 does not pass form variables to the
 action page? I just had that happen to me an I had to reboot my system and
 now it works fine. I realize that IE 7 is new, but the client uses IE
 exclusively and there are already folks here that are using version 7.
 The only thing that I can think of is that maybe I had too many tabs? I
 typically have about 5-7 tabs going at once. I think that is not it though.
 I did google the issue and did not come up with anything.

 Bruce


 

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RE: What's the name of that CF server...

I would think that you could write your own variable sanitizer to make
up for the lack of cfqueryparam...

WHERE ID = cfx_sanitize type=varchar maxLength=7
value=#form.myVar# /

Anyone done something like that? 


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IgniteFusion certainly looks good on the website at initial glance...

- It's Free
- Custom Tags
- UDFs
- CFCs
- Application and Session Scoping
- Stored Procedure Support
- Good database compatibility
- Small Footprint (2MB)

Hmmm doesn't support cfqueryparam, however... I've been using
that forever... does everyone still consider that imperative for
security?

Doesn't use CFSchedule, but Windows Scheduler can take care of that.

Doesn't support LSParseCurrency ... problem...
Doesn't support LSParseNumber ... problem...

(Could Regex's take the place of those fuctions?)

Everything else I can live without...

Sounds pretty good...



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Re: What's the name of that CF server...

2006-12-12 Thread Rick Root

 Hmmm doesn't support cfqueryparam, however... I've been using
 that forever... does everyone still consider that imperative for security?

I certainly do.  Essentially, you won't be able to use any commercial or 
open source software with IgnireFusion because pretty much everyone uses 
cfqueryparam.  Or at least, they should =)

 Doesn't support LSParseCurrency ... problem...
 Doesn't support LSParseNumber ... problem...

You could probably emulate this stuff with Java relatively easily.

 Sounds pretty good...

Not without cfqueryparam, that's for sure.

Rick


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Re: ts date format

2006-12-12 Thread Jim Wright

Jim Wright wrote:
 
 CFQUERY name=get datasource=bbb _log
 SELECT * FROM bbb
 where timereceived between #createodbcdate(startdate)# and 
 #createodbcdate(enddate)#
 /cfquery
 

Seeing Ben's post reminded me that this query will eliminate 3.33 
milliseconds of time...

where timereceived = #createodbcdate(startdate)# and
timereceived  #createodbcdate(enddate)#

should make sure all milliseconds are accounted for.

and the monks won't have to find somewhere to put that extra time (Terry 
Pratchett fans may understand this reference).


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Re: What's the name of that CF server...

2006-12-12 Thread Rick Root

Peterson, Chris wrote:
 I would think that you could write your own variable sanitizer to make
 up for the lack of cfqueryparam...
 
 WHERE ID = cfx_sanitize type=varchar maxLength=7
 value=#form.myVar# /
 
 Anyone done something like that? 

I suppose you could do that even without a cfx tag, just with a regular 
custom tag... but I'd call it cf_queryparam =)

You'd keep the security functionality, but you'd still lose the 
performance benefits of cfqueryparam (bind variables)

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Re: What's the name of that CF server...

2006-12-12 Thread James Holmes

Well, you'd have a replacement for the security functionality, but it
would be different and it would have to be very well written. A bind
parameter is security in itself (in a DB that genuinely supports bind
parameters anyway).

On 12/12/06, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Peterson, Chris wrote:
  I would think that you could write your own variable sanitizer to make
  up for the lack of cfqueryparam...
 
  WHERE ID = cfx_sanitize type=varchar maxLength=7
  value=#form.myVar# /
 
  Anyone done something like that?

 I suppose you could do that even without a cfx tag, just with a regular
 custom tag... but I'd call it cf_queryparam =)

 You'd keep the security functionality, but you'd still lose the
 performance benefits of cfqueryparam (bind variables)

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SOT: anyone ever privately buy a domain?

2006-12-12 Thread Dov Katz

So I'm privately buying a domain from the owner.  Is there any proedure or 
service I could use to protect both of us in this transaction?   



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Re: UPS API

Ok - I got the basics working. Look for a UPS Package to be released tonight.

On 12/11/06, Mary Jo Sminkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 They should have a developer tools account. I believe I had a Developer
 account at one time. That was about a year ago so I may be wrong

 They used to, yes. It was changed a few months ago and even though I *had* a 
 developer account it made me re-register and apply for a UPS account. I was 
 *really* ticked off, what a dumb policy change.

 --- Mary Jo


 

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Re: last updated date from MySql database

 I want to show the last updated date on a site. Rather than do this
 manually, is there a way I can get this programatically for a table in
 mySQL?

I guess I'm confused.  Do you want to show the last time a DB table
was updated, or just show the latest record using a time stamp field?
If it's the former, you could use an 'on insert' trigger to keep track
of updates to the table, but it would be much easier if you just had a
date/time field in the table where you put in now() with each
insert/update, and then display that on your site.


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Re: SOT: anyone ever privately buy a domain?

2006-12-12 Thread Kyle Hayes

Yeah, purchase with a credit card or through paypal. That way the  
transaction can be revoked if needed.

-Kyle
On Dec 12, 2006, at 6:35 AM, Dov Katz wrote:

 So I'm privately buying a domain from the owner.  Is there any  
 proedure or service I could use to protect both of us in this  
 transaction?



 

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Re: UPS API

2006-12-12 Thread Dan Vega

Ray,
That is really great to hear. Is the API fairly easy to work with? It seems
the coding was easier than the account sign up!

Dan

On 12/12/06, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ok - I got the basics working. Look for a UPS Package to be released
 tonight.

 On 12/11/06, Mary Jo Sminkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  They should have a developer tools account. I believe I had a Developer
  account at one time. That was about a year ago so I may be wrong
 
  They used to, yes. It was changed a few months ago and even though I
 *had* a developer account it made me re-register and apply for a UPS
 account. I was *really* ticked off, what a dumb policy change.
 
  --- Mary Jo
 
 
 

 

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Re: Dynamicaly Building CFSTOREDPROC tag, can it be done?

2006-12-12 Thread Teddy Payne

This can be accomplished in SQL Server without dynamically writing the
stored procedure.

You have to pass in the maximum number of parameters every time to the
stored procedure. To do this, you cfparam all of the proc params above the
stored procedure call. Inside of the stored procedure, you detect for the
default values of each paramater. If the default value is there, you set
the sql variable to null.

Now the rea magic is where you use the variable inside of the queries:

if @foo = 0
begin
select @foo = null
end

select
*
from
bar b
where
IsNull(b.foo,'') = IsNull(NullIf(@foo,''),IsNull(b.foo,''))

If @foo is null, the where clause is never executed and all values are
returned. If @foo has a value, the where clause is executed and you have a
filtered data.

So in short, you can any number of variables passed as long as you pass a
default value that you detect for inside the procedure. It is also not
dynamically written so that the execution plan will stay consistent.

Teddy

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Before I spend a load of time that I really do not have available at
present experimenting with this I thought that I would ask the question
here. I was wondering if anybody has ever dynamically built a cfstoredproc
tag and then executed it. The situation I have is that I have ben asked if
it is possible to dynamically build a cfstoredproc tag on the fly when you
only know the number and type of parameters and SQL stored procedure name at
run time. Has anybody ever done anything like this before?

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RE: anyone ever privately buy a domain?

 So I'm privately buying a domain from the owner.  Is there 
 any proedure or service I could use to protect both of us in 
 this transaction?

You could use an escrow service. I occasionally do that for high-value
transactions.

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Re: Dynamicaly Building CFSTOREDPROC tag, can it be done?

2006-12-12 Thread Teddy Payne

Caveat: A fellow developer Allen Underwood demonstrated the perfection of
this clauseto me a year ago.

Teddy

On 12/12/06, Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This can be accomplished in SQL Server without dynamically writing the
stored procedure.

Now the rea magic is where you use the variable inside of the queries:

if @foo = 0
begin
select @foo = null
end

select
*
from
bar b
where
IsNull(b.foo,'') = IsNull(NullIf(@foo,''),IsNull(b.foo,''))

If @foo is null, the where clause is never executed and all values are
returned. If @foo has a value, the where clause is executed and you have a
filtered data.

Teddy

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RE: SOT: anyone ever privately buy a domain?

2006-12-12 Thread Andy Matthews

Or you could use some sort of escrow service.

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Yeah, purchase with a credit card or through paypal. That way the
transaction can be revoked if needed.

-Kyle
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Re: Dynamicaly Building CFSTOREDPROC tag, can it be done?

 The situation I have is that I have ben asked if it is possible to dynamically
 build a cfstoredproc tag on the fly when you only know the number and type
 of parameters and SQL stored procedure name at run time. Has anybody
 ever done anything like this before?

No, I haven't, but you could build it by creating the CF code for the
cfstoredproc as strings (with cfset or something), save it to a file,
and then cfinclude that file to run it.  This is the only way I know
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Re: UPS API

It was a bit tricky figuring out the post - but I'm past that now. I
plan to have a tech demo (with no docs) by lunch.


On 12/12/06, Dan Vega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ray,
 That is really great to hear. Is the API fairly easy to work with? It seems
 the coding was easier than the account sign up!

 Dan

 On 12/12/06, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Ok - I got the basics working. Look for a UPS Package to be released
  tonight.
 
  On 12/11/06, Mary Jo Sminkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   They should have a developer tools account. I believe I had a Developer
   account at one time. That was about a year ago so I may be wrong
  
   They used to, yes. It was changed a few months ago and even though I
  *had* a developer account it made me re-register and apply for a UPS
  account. I was *really* ticked off, what a dumb policy change.
  
   --- Mary Jo
  
  
  
 
 

 

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RE: UPS API

Now you need to make a cfc that automatically signs up for an account
and writes all your keys to a .txt file =)

Chris 

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: UPS API

It was a bit tricky figuring out the post - but I'm past that now. I
plan to have a tech demo (with no docs) by lunch.

On 12/12/06, Dan Vega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ray,
 That is really great to hear. Is the API fairly easy to work with? It
seems
 the coding was easier than the account sign up!

 Dan

 On 12/12/06, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Ok - I got the basics working. Look for a UPS Package to be released
  tonight.

  On 12/11/06, Mary Jo Sminkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   They should have a developer tools account. I believe I had a
Developer
   account at one time. That was about a year ago so I may be wrong

   They used to, yes. It was changed a few months ago and even though
I
  *had* a developer account it made me re-register and apply for a UPS
  account. I was *really* ticked off, what a dumb policy change.

   --- Mary Jo

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Re: UPS API

2006-12-12 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey

One thing that *is* nice about the UPS API is its support for multi-package 
shipments. You can send all the items you are shipping and get one single rate 
back. Very nice. This seems to be something that both Fedex and USPS still 
haven't caught up with. 

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Re: whats the purpose of an objectFactory?

2006-12-12 Thread Phill B

On 12/12/06, Nando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In the first app i built using CFC's, after about a year of iterations and
 improvements, i had well over 1800 CreateObject() calls in the thing.

By the power of Greyskull! Are you trying to take over the world with
your 1800 objects? ;-)

We use a lot of object calls thru out our sites. The way we have
managed them is with a masterController. It is mapped to all of the
sites and handles all of the work. Sort of MVC but not really.

We do use a lot of singletons. I guess that is why I'm having a hard
time seeing the benefit of a factory. We can instantiate all the
objects we need when the app gets initialized. The app only gets
reinitialized when it is necessary. So maybe we don't need to worry
about a factory at this point but I still want to learn more about how
they can help. I'm going to do some testing to see if there is any
cost to using one. When I get the results I'll pass them on to the
group.

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Re: UPS API

Nice - I'll look into it. My first release will just do the simple
Address Verification stuff.

It is done now - I'm just waiting till lunch to make a zip of it.

On 12/12/06, Mary Jo Sminkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 One thing that *is* nice about the UPS API is its support for multi-package 
 shipments. You can send all the items you are shipping and get one single 
 rate back. Very nice. This seems to be something that both Fedex and USPS 
 still haven't caught up with.

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RE: What's the name of that CF server...

2006-12-12 Thread Doug Bezona

 Hmmm doesn't support cfqueryparam, however... I've been using
 that forever... does everyone still consider that imperative for
security?

Yes. Additionally, cfqueryparam has substantial performance benefits as
well.

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Re: whats the purpose of an objectFactory?

2006-12-12 Thread Phill B

I do use this technique.
cfif NOT isDefined('application.layout') OR isDefined('url.appInit')

I just didn't want to take the time to write it out though. hahaha
Thanks for posting that though. I think there are a lot of people that
don't know that they need to do these sort of things.

Thanks again Nando.

On 12/12/06, Nando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 PS ... On the way to the post office to check my mail, i realized i forgot
 to say something in my reply. :-)

 Your approach of creating all your objects in Application.cfm and placing
 them in application scope kind of encapsulates your object creation for now.
 But this approach will break down the moment you need an object in a
 different scope, say session scope.

 And the way it seems you are doing it is not as efficient as it could be.
 I'm looking at your example and assuming it's verbatim:

 cfset application.objectOne = CreateObject('component', 'cfc.navigation')
 cfset application.objectTwo = CreateObject('component', 'cfc.users')
 cfset application.objectThree = CreateObject('component', 'cfc.email')

 In this way, you recreate the objects for each request. There's little point
 in using application scope in this case.

 It would be much more efficient if you created a singleton factory in
 application.cfm like so (with a double lock as shown, to make sure you have
 only one instance of the Factory in application scope):

 cfif NOT StructKeyExists(application,Factory)
 cflock name=factoryLock Timeout=10 THROWONTIMEOUT=No
 Type=Exclusive
 cfif NOT StructKeyExists(application,Factory)
 cfset application.Factory = CreateObject('component','
 cfc.Factory').init(passInAppSettingsHere)
 /cfif
 /cflock
 /cfif

 And then in Factory.init(), you can instantiate any singletons you need into
 the variables scope of the factory and they'll persist then effectively in
 application scope for the duration of your application.

 A singleton, if you don't know the term, is one and only one instance of an
 object that persists in application scope in CF. I guess you could also use
 the term for a server scoped object.

 --- simple Factory.cfc example ---

 cffunction name=init access=public returntype=Factory output=no
 cfargument name=AppSettings type=any required=Yes/
 cfset variables.AppSettings = arguments.AppSettings /
 cfset variables.Navigation = createNavigation() /
 cfset variables.Navigation.init(variables.AppSettings.getDsn()) /
 cfreturn this /
 /cffunction

 cffunction name=createNavigation access=public returntype=any
 output=no
 cfset var Navigation = createObject('component','cfc.Navigation') /
 cfreturn Navigation /
 /cffunction

 cffunction name=getNavigation access=public returntype=any
 output=no
 cfreturn variables.Navigation /
 /cffunction

 ...

 When you need your persisted Navigation object somewhere in your
 application, you can do  this:

 application.Factory.getNavigation
 ().getBreadcrumb(uniqueIdentifierForThisPage)

 And if you need the navigation for a particular visitor you, could do
 something like this:

 session.navigation = application.Factory.createNavigation()
 ..
 session.navigation.setUserRole(session.User.getRole())
 session.navigation.getUserNav()

 The example might be a bit contrived, but i'm only trying to show that with
 a factory, you can cache objects in application scope within the factory
 itself, which means you only need to deal with double locking in one place
 for singletons. Or you can use the same factory to create objects for one
 time use or session scoped objects.

 Different people will design factories in different ways, and use different
 naming conventions for the functions. The more sophisticated your factory,
 the more flexible and abstract. You could for instance build a load()
 function something like this:

 cffunction name=load access=public returntype=any output=false
 cfargument name=objectName required=Yes type=string /
 cfargument name=isSingleton default=false type=boolean /

 cfif arguments.isSingleton IS true
 cfif StructKeyExists(variables,arguments.objectName)
 return variables[arguments.objectName]
 cfelse
 create arguments.objectName
 put it in variables scope
 return variables[arguments.objectName]
 /cfif
 cfelse
 create arguments.objectName
 return it
 /cfif
 /cffunction

 That's fine, but what if you need to pass in parameters to your init()
 function? how would you do that? What if one of your parameters is another
 object?

 Now we're getting close to ColdSpring, so we might as well use it. But for
 most people starting out with factories, it's probably easier to get a feel
 for them using a simple factory you build yourself that has separate
 create() or get() functions for each object. Once the usefulness of it
 really clicks, then ColdSpring might be the next step.

 But i can guarantee to you

Re: What's the name of that CF server...

2006-12-12 Thread Christopher Jordan

I would use it. If I then knew enough about it, I'd participate in 
forums as part of community support if that's what you're getting at. 
But as a result of this thread, I've come to realize there are more CFML 
parsers out there than I had realized.

Cheers,
Chris

Jochem van Dieten wrote:
 Christopher Jordan wrote:
   
 Smith looks cool, but (last time I checked) it doesn't support CFCs! 
 Yikes. I would love to see it go open source and all that, but I 
 wouldn't use it until it supports CFCs.
 

 Would you use it, or would you support it?

 Jochem

 

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RE: ts date format

2006-12-12 Thread Orlini, Robert

Thanks Jimall is OK now!

 -Original Message-
From:   Jim Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Tuesday, December 12, 2006 9:27 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject:Re: ts date format

Jim Wright wrote:

 CFQUERY name=get datasource=bbb _log
 SELECT * FROM bbb
 where timereceived between #createodbcdate(startdate)# and 
 #createodbcdate(enddate)#
 /cfquery

Seeing Ben's post reminded me that this query will eliminate 3.33 
milliseconds of time...

where timereceived = #createodbcdate(startdate)# and
timereceived  #createodbcdate(enddate)#

should make sure all milliseconds are accounted for.

and the monks won't have to find somewhere to put that extra time (Terry 
Pratchett fans may understand this reference).

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Re: whats the purpose of an objectFactory?

2006-12-12 Thread Craig Drabik

Why would I want to load an object into the application scope just to
load more objects? This is one more piece of code that has to be ran,
maintained, suck up processes, suck up memory, to explain Wouldn't
it be best to just keep it simple and call right to the CFC?

It sounds to me like you're using CFCs more as code libraries and less as
objects, or that your particular application(s) generally only use singletons
(one instance of an object only), like an object that handles security. In
these cases factories are next to useless - as you noted why would you want to
write a factory to build one instance of an object?

Factories build instances of objects for you. And more than that, they may
build instances of different objects depending on the input you send to the
factory when you request an instance.

In the simpler case, elsewhere in this thread someone already pointed out the
benefits of using a simple factory for instantiation of a single object type
when you are creating lots of those objects - you consolidate initialization of
the object in one place, simplifying your code and making maintenance easier.

Consider a hypothetical situation... I work at a university. So I might have
objects that represent Faculty, Staff, and Students, all inhieriting from a
Person class. I could use the factory to decide for me whether I need to
instantiate a Faculty, Staff, or Student at runtime, and to centralize that
decision making activity for me.

Another example would be a factory that creates instance of objects that wrap
remote services.. If you had a class that generically implemented access to
various kinds of remote data (XML files, CFCs, web services, etc). The
implementation of those classes would be different for each type of call, but
the interface - the properties and method definitions - would be the same. At
runtime the application wouldn't need to care if it was holding a RemoteCallCFC
or a RemoteCallWebService. A factory would determine which class was
necessary, instantiate it, initialize it, and pass it back to the requesting
program.

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returntype=boolean error.

2006-12-12 Thread Les Mizzell

Still trying to work through various issues setting up a web service to 
perform a number of different functions.

Below should insert a record into the database. But I'm getting:
faultDetail:
{http://xml.apache.org/axis/}stackTrace:org.xml.sax.SAXException: Bad 
types (boolean - class coldfusion.xml.rpc.QueryBean)

What's wrong with the type? Boolean is a correct value, right?


cffunction name=newCLIENT
 access=remote
 returntype=boolean
 hint=Add a New Client 

  cfargument name=WSClientName type=string /

  cfquery
INSERT INTO ClientInfo
 (ClientName)
VALUES
 ( cfqueryparam cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR
 null=false
 value=#WSClientName# /)
  /cfquery
cfreturn true
/cffunction

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CFC's

2006-12-12 Thread Doug Brown

I came across this post where people were discussing the use of smith as an
alternative to CFMX. Anyways, I was wondering what other peoples thoughts on
the subject were. I have to agree that Macromedia Coldfusion is kind of getting
away from what made CFML so popular and that was rapid developement. It seems
that it is taking me twice as long to write alot of the code (using CFC's) then
it did before hand, and the complication level has also increased. I am afraid
to look at CFMX 8 as I feel that OO is the way CF is going.

Message:

While more competition in the CFML market is a great thing, this engine won't
run any of the popular frameworks as it is missing one of the most important
features of CFML; CFCs!!! Think of saying you have developed a Java engine, but
it doesn't support user defined classes! Not much point. So yes, if all an
engine had to do was to support simple Tags and CFML functions, then of coure
it would be fast.

Reply:

Actually, I regard this as a Good Thing. CF is a champion for pounding out
small sites quickly. I'd go as far to say that in that capacity probably
nothing can beat it. I haven't seen anything that beats cfquery
cfoutput. CFCs tried to bring objects and OO to CF, and they've gone a long
way to destroying the principal strength of the language - simplicity. Take a
look at the CF community these days and most of what you'll find is
intellectual masturbation. They're going down the same road Java went down
recently. A proliferation of frameworks, to the point where they have numerous
ORMs and even a Spring clone. You have to wonder if at any point these guys
don't say, Hmm, why don't we just use Java?

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RE: CFC's

Wow, my experience is exactly the opposite.  CFC's for me allow
granularity - each named function has 1 purpose.  I control its input
and its output, and I can test it independent of any other code.  I tend
to write all my functions, and then just wire them up in a separate
template.  

As far as where CF8 is going, remember you don't have to use CFC's if
they don't work well for you, you can still do old-skool UDF's, CFX_
tags, etc.  Do it how you want, its just a new option available!

Chris

-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFC's

I came across this post where people were discussing the use of smith as
an alternative to CFMX. Anyways, I was wondering what other peoples
thoughts on the subject were. I have to agree that Macromedia Coldfusion
is kind of getting away from what made CFML so popular and that was
rapid developement. It seems that it is taking me twice as long to write
alot of the code (using CFC's) then it did before hand, and the
complication level has also increased. I am afraid to look at CFMX 8 as
I feel that OO is the way CF is going. 

Message:

While more competition in the CFML market is a great thing, this engine
won't run any of the popular frameworks as it is missing one of the most
important features of CFML; CFCs!!! Think of saying you have developed a
Java engine, but it doesn't support user defined classes! Not much
point. So yes, if all an engine had to do was to support simple Tags and
CFML functions, then of coure it would be fast. 

Reply:

Actually, I regard this as a Good Thing. CF is a champion for pounding
out small sites quickly. I'd go as far to say that in that capacity
probably nothing can beat it. I haven't seen anything that beats
cfquery  cfoutput. CFCs tried to bring objects and OO to CF, and
they've gone a long way to destroying the principal strength of the
language - simplicity. Take a look at the CF community these days and
most of what you'll find is intellectual masturbation. They're going
down the same road Java went down recently. A proliferation of
frameworks, to the point where they have numerous ORMs and even a Spring
clone. You have to wonder if at any point these guys don't say, Hmm,
why don't we just use Java? 



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RE: CFC's

2006-12-12 Thread Ray Champagne

I think the exact opposite. CFC's have increased my code reusability, which
significantly speeds up my development time. Not to mention the ease of
maintenance that it brings to the table. Old-school spaghetti code isn't
going to save you any time when it comes to maintenance and portability. I'd
argue that CFC's speed up the rapid development that we've all come to love
about CF.

I also don't think that CFC's are that difficult to learn. Just like
regular coding, it takes time to learn the most efficient way to get your
result, but the basics are not that daunting.

Anyways, that's my (differing) opinion.

-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFC's

I came across this post where people were discussing the use of smith as
an
alternative to CFMX. Anyways, I was wondering what other peoples thoughts
on
the subject were. I have to agree that Macromedia Coldfusion is kind of
getting
away from what made CFML so popular and that was rapid developement. It
seems that it is taking me twice as long to write alot of the code (using
CFC's)
then it did before hand, and the complication level has also increased. I
am afraid
to look at CFMX 8 as I feel that OO is the way CF is going.

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CFFORM: select checkboxes I need help

2006-12-12 Thread coldfusion . developer

Is there any special recipe I'm missing in order to get select and checkboxes 
to work with cfform?

Here's what I have.


table width=100% border=0CFform action=#CGI.SCRIPT_NAME# method=post 
name=baby_picture_upload ENCTYPE = multipart/form-data 
scriptsrc=../../../cfide/scripts/
tr
td width=36% align=rightYour First Name:/td
 td width=64%cfinput name=first_name required=yes 
message=First Name is Required. validateat=onsubmit type=text 
class=formfield id=first_name/td
/tr
CFQUERY name=get_states datasource=#datasource#
select *
   from dbo.tbl_states
   order by stateAbbrev ASC
/CFQUERY
tr
  td align=rightLast Name:/td
  tdcfinput name=last_name required=yes message=Last Name is required. 
validateat=onsubmit type=text class=formfield id=last_name/td
/tr
tr
  td align=rightCity/td
  tdcfinput name=city required=yes message=City is required. 
validateat=onsubmit type=text class=formfield id=city
State:
cfselect name=state query=get_states value=stateAbbrev 
display=stateAbbrev required=yes message=State is require size=1
option value= selected=selectedST/option
/cfselect
 /td
/tr
tr
td align=rightEmail:/td
tdcfinput name=email required=yes message=A valid email 
address is required. validate=email validateat=onsubmit type=text 
class=formfield id=email /td
/tr
tr
td align=rightChild's First Name:/td
 tdcfinput name=babys_name required=yes 
message=Child's First Name is Required. validateat=onsubmit type=text 
class=formfield id=babys_name/td
/tr
tr
td align=rightChild's Birthday:/td
td!--- MONTH ---
  cfselect name=birthmonth required=yes  message=The 
Month value of the Birthday is required.
option value=MM/option
option value=0101/option
option value=0202/option
option value=0303/option
option value=0404/option
option value=0505/option
option value=0606/option
option value=0707/option
option value=0808/option
option value=0909/option
option value=1010/option
option value=/option
option value=1212/option
  /cfselect
  !--- DAY ---
  cfselect name=birthday required=yes message=The Day 
value of the birthday is required.
optionDD/option
option value=0101/option
option value=0202/option
option value=0303/option
option value=0404/option
option value=0505/option
option value=0606/option
option value=0707/option
option value=0808/option
option value=0909/option
option value=1010/option
option value=/option
option value=1212/option
option value=1313/option
option value=1414/option
option value=1515/option
option value=1616/option
option value=1717/option
option value=1718/option
option value=1919/option
option value=2020/option
option value=2121/option
option value=/option
option value=2323/option
option value=2424/option
option value=2525/option
option value=2626/option
option value=2727/option
option value=2828/option
option value=2929/option
option value=3030/option
option value=3131/option
  /cfselect
!--- YEAR ---
cfselect name=birthyear required=yes message=The Year value of the 
birthday is required.
  option/option
  option value=20032003/option
  option value=20042004/option
  option value=20052005/option
  option value=20062006/option
/cfselect/td
/tr
tr
td align=rightChild's age in picture:/td
tdcfselect name=babyspictureage required=yes 
message=Child's age in picture is required
option value= selected=selectedSelect Age/option
option value=99 Months/option
option value=210 Months/option
option value=211 Months/option
option value=212 Months/option
option value=213 Months/option
option value=214 Months/option
option value=215 Months/option
option value=216 Months/option
option value=217 Months/option
option value=218 Months/option
option value=219 Months/option
option value=320 Months/option
option value=321 Months/option
option value=322 Months/option
option value=323 Months/option
option value=324 Months/option
/cfselect/td
/tr
tr
  td align=rightAre you the legal

RE: CFC's

Wow, both our replies had the same thoughts, and we even both said
'old-school', ha!

Chris 

-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFC's

I think the exact opposite.  CFC's have increased my code reusability,
which
significantly speeds up my development time.  Not to mention the ease of
maintenance that it brings to the table.  Old-school spaghetti code
isn't
going to save you any time when it comes to maintenance and portability.
I'd
argue that CFC's speed up the rapid development that we've all come to
love
about CF.

I also don't think that CFC's are that difficult to learn.  Just like
regular coding, it takes time to learn the most efficient way to get
your
result, but the basics are not that daunting.

Anyways, that's my (differing) opinion.

 -Original Message-
 From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:50 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: CFC's

 I came across this post where people were discussing the use of smith
as
an
 alternative to CFMX. Anyways, I was wondering what other peoples
thoughts
on
 the subject were. I have to agree that Macromedia Coldfusion is kind
of
getting
 away from what made CFML so popular and that was rapid developement.
It
 seems that it is taking me twice as long to write alot of the code
(using
CFC's)
 then it did before hand, and the complication level has also
increased. I
am afraid
 to look at CFMX 8 as I feel that OO is the way CF is going.

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RE: CFC's

You know, just because something exists in the language, that doesn't mean
you're required to use it if you don't want to. That said, some people do
things other than pounding out small sites quickly, and their needs may
therefore be a little different from yours. And in my experience, many of
those small sites that get pounded out so quickly, need to be extended and
maintained to be useful over time; I've come to regret some of the pounding
I did.

Take a look at the CF community these days and
most of what you'll find is intellectual masturbation.
They're going down the same road Java went down recently. A
proliferation of frameworks, to the point where they have
numerous ORMs and even a Spring clone. You have to wonder if
at any point these guys don't say, Hmm, why don't we just use
Java?

I do think that programmers tend to overthink things sometimes, and reading
CF OO discussions often seems like a variation of how many angels can dance
on the head of a pin, but I wouldn't categorize the community effort to
implement OO concepts intellectual masturbation, since these concepts can
be very useful. They tend to be more useful as your applications become
larger and more complex.

Why do you think CF, and Java, and web developers in general are going in
this direction, if these problems aren't worth solving?

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Re: CFC's

2006-12-12 Thread Doug Brown

Well, I agree and disagree at the same time I suppose. I honestly believe
that most folks on here found ways of making their code modular using
different frameworks. Mainly by the use of cfmodule and cfinclude. For
me, I really do not care one way or another as far as using CFC's, I think
alot of it though is overplay. It seems to me to be alot easier to write
queries and do an cfinclude then it is to write out
cfcomponentcffunctioncfargument etc. etc. I think if a developer is
getting into SOAP and other things like that, then the use of CFC's would be
more needed. Of couse that is just my view.




Doug




- Original Message -
From: Peterson, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:59 AM
Subject: RE: CFC's


 Wow, both our replies had the same thoughts, and we even both said
 'old-school', ha!

 Chris

 -Original Message-
 From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:01 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CFC's

 I think the exact opposite.  CFC's have increased my code reusability,
 which
 significantly speeds up my development time.  Not to mention the ease of
 maintenance that it brings to the table.  Old-school spaghetti code
 isn't
 going to save you any time when it comes to maintenance and portability.
 I'd
 argue that CFC's speed up the rapid development that we've all come to
 love
 about CF.

 I also don't think that CFC's are that difficult to learn.  Just like
 regular coding, it takes time to learn the most efficient way to get
 your
 result, but the basics are not that daunting.

 Anyways, that's my (differing) opinion.

  -Original Message-
  From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:50 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: CFC's
 
  I came across this post where people were discussing the use of smith
 as
 an
  alternative to CFMX. Anyways, I was wondering what other peoples
 thoughts
 on
  the subject were. I have to agree that Macromedia Coldfusion is kind
 of
 getting
  away from what made CFML so popular and that was rapid developement.
 It
  seems that it is taking me twice as long to write alot of the code
 (using
 CFC's)
  then it did before hand, and the complication level has also
 increased. I
 am afraid
  to look at CFMX 8 as I feel that OO is the way CF is going.
 
 




 

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RE: CFC's

2006-12-12 Thread Ray Champagne

Huzzah!

-Original Message-
From: Peterson, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFC's
Importance: High

Wow, both our replies had the same thoughts, and we even both said
'old-school', ha!

Chris

-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFC's

I think the exact opposite. CFC's have increased my code reusability,
which
significantly speeds up my development time. Not to mention the ease of
maintenance that it brings to the table. Old-school spaghetti code
isn't
going to save you any time when it comes to maintenance and portability.
I'd
argue that CFC's speed up the rapid development that we've all come to
love
about CF.

I also don't think that CFC's are that difficult to learn. Just like
regular coding, it takes time to learn the most efficient way to get
your
result, but the basics are not that daunting.

Anyways, that's my (differing) opinion.

-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFC's

I came across this post where people were discussing the use of smith
as
an
alternative to CFMX. Anyways, I was wondering what other peoples
thoughts
on
the subject were. I have to agree that Macromedia Coldfusion is kind
of
getting
away from what made CFML so popular and that was rapid developement.
It
seems that it is taking me twice as long to write alot of the code
(using
CFC's)
then it did before hand, and the complication level has also
increased. I
am afraid
to look at CFMX 8 as I feel that OO is the way CF is going.

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RE: CFC's

2006-12-12 Thread Ben Forta

Doug,

You are confusing a few different ideas here I think ...

Yes, there is a lot of chat nowadays about frameworks and methodologies and
the like. But that  has nothing to do with CFCs really. Fusebox, for
example, existed long before CFCs were introduced. I think what you are
seeing is that many CFers have matured, their apps are more sophisticated,
they have been introduced to concepts and practices popularized buy other
languages, and they are trying to apply that thinking back to ColdFusion.
And that's great, if it works for you. If it does not, then do what you do
now.

With the exception of a few features (creating web services, writing Flex
back-ends in CF, and working with event gateways, to name a few), CFCs are
entirely optional. Having said that, I don't believe that CFCs themselves
have introduced OOP type complexity. Sure, CFCs can be part of a more
sophisticated application architecture, but hey are also useful as an
organization mechanism when building simple n-tier apps. Look at it this
way, all of those cfinclude and Custom Tags that we built for years as a
way to organize our code, well, CFCs are often better suited for the task.
It's nothing to do with OOP if you don't want it to be.

And as for I am afraid to look at CFMX 8 as I feel that OO is the way CF is
going, fear not. We'll add object type functionality when and if it makes
sense, but we have no intentions of losing what made CF CF in the first
place, simplicity and productivity.

--- Ben





-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFC's

I came across this post where people were discussing the use of smith as an
alternative to CFMX. Anyways, I was wondering what other peoples thoughts on
the subject were. I have to agree that Macromedia Coldfusion is kind of
getting away from what made CFML so popular and that was rapid developement.
It seems that it is taking me twice as long to write alot of the code (using
CFC's) then it did before hand, and the complication level has also
increased. I am afraid to look at CFMX 8 as I feel that OO is the way CF is
going. 

Message:

While more competition in the CFML market is a great thing, this engine
won't run any of the popular frameworks as it is missing one of the most
important features of CFML; CFCs!!! Think of saying you have developed a
Java engine, but it doesn't support user defined classes! Not much point. So
yes, if all an engine had to do was to support simple Tags and CFML
functions, then of coure it would be fast. 

Reply:

Actually, I regard this as a Good Thing. CF is a champion for pounding out
small sites quickly. I'd go as far to say that in that capacity probably
nothing can beat it. I haven't seen anything that beats cfquery 
cfoutput. CFCs tried to bring objects and OO to CF, and they've gone a
long way to destroying the principal strength of the language - simplicity.
Take a look at the CF community these days and most of what you'll find is
intellectual masturbation. They're going down the same road Java went down
recently. A proliferation of frameworks, to the point where they have
numerous ORMs and even a Spring clone. You have to wonder if at any point
these guys don't say, Hmm, why don't we just use Java? 



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Re: CFC's

2006-12-12 Thread Christopher Jordan

Doug,

Doug Brown wrote:
I came across this post where people were discussing the use of smith as an
alternative to CFMX. Anyways, I was wondering what other peoples thoughts on
the subject were. I have to agree that Macromedia Coldfusion is kind of
getting away from what made CFML so popular and that was rapid developement.
It seems that it is taking me twice as long to write alot of the code (using
CFC's) then it did before hand, and the complication level has also
increased. I am afraid to look at CFMX 8 as I feel that OO is the way CF is
going.

I'm not an OO programmer, but I still reckon that going OO is the
right path for CF to take.
Message:

While more competition in the CFML market is a great thing, this engine won't
run any of the popular frameworks as it is missing one of the most important
features of CFML; CFCs!!! Think of saying you have developed a Java engine,
but it doesn't support user defined classes! Not much point. So yes, if all
an engine had to do was to support simple Tags and CFML functions, then of
coure it would be fast.

Reply:

Actually, I regard this as a Good Thing. CF is a champion for pounding out
small sites quickly.
The good news here, is that CF still is very good at pounding out small
sites. I think the idea that that CF has the potential for much, much
more than creating small sites. It's got the capacity to build complex
Web2.0-type applications. The OO features that have been added only help
to further development in that direction. There's no rule that says you
*have to* use them.
I'd go as far to say that in that capacity probably nothing can beat it. I
haven't seen anything that beats cfquery cfoutput. CFCs tried to
bring objects and OO to CF, and they've gone a long way to destroying the
principal strength of the language - simplicity.
In what ways have they destroyed the language. I can still use simple
coding techniques, just as I could with CF4.5 and CF5. The addition of
the new techniques doesn't mean you have to use them. They're just
additional tools in the tool box.
Take a look at the CF community these days and most of what you'll find is
intellectual masturbation.
Hmm... that's a bit crude, if you ask me. When I look at the CF
community today, I see folks collaborating and trying to make things
better for other developers. I see more experienced developers trying to
help out newer developers. I also see folks defending CF against PHP,
Ruby and the like.
They're going down the same road Java went down recently. A proliferation of
frameworks, to the point where they have numerous ORMs and even a Spring
clone.
I don't use a single framework in my coding, though I think I can see
the benefit, I've just not spent the time to learn one. So again, just
use the tools in the tool box that you need and ignore the rest.
You have to wonder if at any point these guys don't say, Hmm, why don't we
just use Java?

One of the beauties of CF is that you can intermix it with java, because
the thing is written in java but you don't have to.

Cheers,
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Re: CFC's

2006-12-12 Thread Christopher Jordan

Straight from the horses mouth -- as it were ;o).

Very well put Ben. Thanks.

Cheers,
Chris

Ben Forta wrote:
Doug,

You are confusing a few different ideas here I think ...

Yes, there is a lot of chat nowadays about frameworks and methodologies and
the like. But that has nothing to do with CFCs really. Fusebox, for
example, existed long before CFCs were introduced. I think what you are
seeing is that many CFers have matured, their apps are more sophisticated,
they have been introduced to concepts and practices popularized buy other
languages, and they are trying to apply that thinking back to ColdFusion.
And that's great, if it works for you. If it does not, then do what you do
now.

With the exception of a few features (creating web services, writing Flex
back-ends in CF, and working with event gateways, to name a few), CFCs are
entirely optional. Having said that, I don't believe that CFCs themselves
have introduced OOP type complexity. Sure, CFCs can be part of a more
sophisticated application architecture, but hey are also useful as an
organization mechanism when building simple n-tier apps. Look at it this
way, all of those cfinclude and Custom Tags that we built for years as a
way to organize our code, well, CFCs are often better suited for the task.
It's nothing to do with OOP if you don't want it to be.

And as for I am afraid to look at CFMX 8 as I feel that OO is the way CF is
going, fear not. We'll add object type functionality when and if it makes
sense, but we have no intentions of losing what made CF CF in the first
place, simplicity and productivity.

--- Ben

-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFC's

I came across this post where people were discussing the use of smith as an
alternative to CFMX. Anyways, I was wondering what other peoples thoughts on
the subject were. I have to agree that Macromedia Coldfusion is kind of
getting away from what made CFML so popular and that was rapid developement.
It seems that it is taking me twice as long to write alot of the code (using
CFC's) then it did before hand, and the complication level has also
increased. I am afraid to look at CFMX 8 as I feel that OO is the way CF is
going.

Message:

While more competition in the CFML market is a great thing, this engine
won't run any of the popular frameworks as it is missing one of the most
important features of CFML; CFCs!!! Think of saying you have developed a
Java engine, but it doesn't support user defined classes! Not much point. So
yes, if all an engine had to do was to support simple Tags and CFML
functions, then of coure it would be fast.

Reply:

Actually, I regard this as a Good Thing. CF is a champion for pounding out
small sites quickly. I'd go as far to say that in that capacity probably
nothing can beat it. I haven't seen anything that beats cfquery
cfoutput. CFCs tried to bring objects and OO to CF, and they've gone a
long way to destroying the principal strength of the language - simplicity.
Take a look at the CF community these days and most of what you'll find is
intellectual masturbation. They're going down the same road Java went down
recently. A proliferation of frameworks, to the point where they have
numerous ORMs and even a Spring clone. You have to wonder if at any point
these guys don't say, Hmm, why don't we just use Java?

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Re: CFC's

2006-12-12 Thread Doug Brown

Reply:

Actually, I regard this as a Good Thing. CF is a champion for pounding out
small sites quickly. I'd go as far to say that in that capacity probably
nothing can beat it. I haven't seen anything that beats cfquery
cfoutput. CFCs tried to bring objects and OO to CF, and they've gone a
long way to destroying the principal strength of the language - simplicity.
Take a look at the CF community these days and most of what you'll find is
intellectual masturbation. They're going down the same road Java went down
recently. A proliferation of frameworks, to the point where they have
numerous ORMs and even a Spring clone. You have to wonder if at any point
these guys don't say, Hmm, why don't we just use Java?

Please keep in mind that this was not my writing, but the writing of someone
else who was posting to a message board. I do not want anyone to think that
we are masturbating around here :) I think the discussions that the
community has are outstanding. I think I was just wondering where exactly CF
was headed and if it will continue to be the product that everyone came to
love by providing simplicity in design.

Doug

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Re: CFC's

2006-12-12 Thread Bruce Sorge


 I am new to CFC's. For a long time I could not see the practical pupose of
 them other than to get us CF'ers to go the way of OOP. (also, all of last
 year and half of 2004 was spent preparing and being in Iraq, and when I
 returned my job changed from CF to .NET, so I have been out of the CF
 programming game for a while). So after reviewing them some more I have come
 to realize that they are great. I am using them quite extensively now on
 some applications that I am currently doing. I have already saved time by
 not having to type the same query 2 or threee times. I like that if I need
 to change a query, rather then do it over X pages (assuming a year or two I
 remember where they are all at), I change it in one place. I am sure I can
 do this using a custom tag, but I think that the CFC method is more
 intuitive. Ben Forta has some articles on line that extol the positive
 attributes of CFC's, and really that is how I started to look at them again.
 Thanks Ben for showing me the light.



Bruce


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Buying CF7 Standard in bulk / cheapest prices? OEM?

2006-12-12 Thread Michael Muller

Hey all,

I'm in the market to buy two licenses to CF7 Standard, like, yesterday. And 
starting in January we hope to need to buy on the order of ten per month.

Any suggestions for best prices?

Any bulk sellers?

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RE: last updated date from MySql database

2006-12-12 Thread Will Swain

 
Hi Jacob,

I just want to check the last time a table was updated and display that time
on the homepage. I know I can write some code that marks the time of an
update or insert into the database and use that, but I noticed that mySQL
tables have an update time on them, and wondered if I can shortcut and just
use that data. There are a number of tables that can be updated, so I'd need
to check them all, compare the updated times and only show the most recent.

Does that make more sense?

Cheers

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: last updated date from MySql database

 I want to show the last updated date on a site. Rather than do this 
 manually, is there a way I can get this programatically for a table in 
 mySQL?

I guess I'm confused.  Do you want to show the last time a DB table was
updated, or just show the latest record using a time stamp field?
If it's the former, you could use an 'on insert' trigger to keep track of
updates to the table, but it would be much easier if you just had a
date/time field in the table where you put in now() with each insert/update,
and then display that on your site.


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Re: Wierd IE 7 issue

2006-12-12 Thread Bruce Sorge

Cool, so I am not the only one. I am sure that M$ is aware of this and
hopefully will issue a fix.

On 12/12/06, Jake Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I encountered the same thing when I first started testing on IE7. If
you use the Enter button to submit the form, the submit form element
does not get passed. My workaround for this was to create a hidden
variable with the same name as the submit button so the action page will
test for if isdefined(form.submit) and will find it regardless.

Bruce Sorge wrote:
Hey,
has anyone ran into an issue where ID7 does not pass form variables to
the
action page? I just had that happen to me an I had to reboot my system
and
now it works fine. I realize that IE 7 is new, but the client uses IE
exclusively and there are already folks here that are using version 7.
The only thing that I can think of is that maybe I had too many tabs? I
typically have about 5-7 tabs going at once. I think that is not it
though.
I did google the issue and did not come up with anything.

Bruce

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Re: CFSearch taking well over 1min to return anything.

2006-12-12 Thread Dave Phillips

I have experienced this with collections that are built up incrementally
over time, where basically the index ends up in a very inefficient
state. Try re-indexing the collection and see if it improves the query
time.


When you say 're-index' the collection, do you mean to do a purge and then 
cfindex again?  We do that every week.  We are finding though the same results 
you are mentioning and that maybe we should delete the collection and start 
fresh every week.  Any other thoughts?

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CFSEARCH restarting ColdFusion in MX 6.1

2006-12-12 Thread Dave Phillips

Has anyone had any problems with the CFSEARCH tag causing CF to restart in MX 
6.1?  If so, what did you do to resolve?

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Re: TinyMCE editor question

2006-12-12 Thread Tom King

Those are conditional statements left in by word: You'll need to tell  
TinyMCE to strip them:
Look at the TinyMCE documentation - there's a config there which  
helps you get towards XHTML compliance - use that in combination with  
parsing the string to strip out all the crap.

T


On 9 Dec 2006, at 00:37, Victor Moore wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have installed TinyMCE editor on a site and while it was easy to  
 install
 and work with, has some issue:
 For example if a user copy and paste content from MS-Word 2003 using
 Firefox, everything looks OK in Firefox but it displays:
 !--[if !supportLists]--â   !--[endif]-- when viewing the  
 page with
 IE.

 If the same exercise is done using IE all the line breaks are removed.

 Is anything that can be done or is just bad luck using content from  
 MS-Word

 Thanks
 Victor


 PS If anybody has an example cfm page of using FCKeditor, really  
 appreciate.
 I have to fix this ASAP


 

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Re: CFC's

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 16:17, Ben Forta wrote:
seeing is that many CFers have matured, their apps are more sophisticated,
they have been introduced to concepts and practices popularized buy other
languages, and they are trying to apply that thinking back to ColdFusion.

Indeed.
From my point of view, we're now an order of magnitude or more above simply
asking the user a few questions on a form and feeding those into a query and
printing out the query in a table.

We want to break the request/response cycle, we want to make out code testable
so we can fix things with out worrying about what we broke, we want to be
able to reuse code and we want to be able to use the same code from an AJAX
app, a CFML page, and a Flex application. That's just of the top of my head.

Doing all that (and more !) with out objects doesn't bear thinking about. So,
now we have a lot of objects - there is now a management problem. Over in
Java-land they've solved some of these with ORMs and DI systems like Spring
and Hibernate - why not take those ideas and reuse them ?

This way we get the speed and grace of CFML with the power of Java-like
frameworks and methods of working.

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Re: CFC's

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 16:26, Doug Brown wrote:
numerous ORMs and even a Spring clone. You have to wonder if at any point
these guys don't say, Hmm, why don't we just use Java?

Because I once wrote a large site in Java.
It was a horrible, horrible experience compaired to ColdFusion. That doesn't
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XML

2006-12-12 Thread Chad Gray

I am kind of new to handling XML in CF.

Here is my basic XML data

preferences
elementView
JID view=yes /
SKU view=yes /
ElementDescription view=yes /
ElementType view=yes /
TypeOfShot view=yes /
SimpleORAdvanced view=yes /
Props view=yes /
OutlineType view=yes /
notes view=yes /
careyNotes view=yes /
Round view=yes /
ElementStatus view=yes /
ElementStatusDate view=yes /
/elementView
/preferences

I want to loop over the items in elementView and display the view attribute.

Is there a good way of looping over this data and outputting it?

Can I somehow get the names of the items, JID, SKU, etc... then use that to 
dynamically make 

#session.prefs.preferences.elementView.JID.XMLAttributes.view#
#session.prefs.preferences.elementView.SKU.XMLAttributes.view#

Etc...

I am also new to using the MS SQL datatype XML.  Any thing I should know 
about before I go trying to insert my above XML into the database?

Thanks!
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Re: CFC's

On Tuesday 12 December 2006 16:19, Christopher Jordan wrote:
the benefit, I've just not spent the time to learn one. So again, just
use the tools in the tool box that you need and ignore the rest.

Just because there is a hammer in the box, doesn't mean you should use a
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RE: CFSearch taking well over 1min to return anything.

2006-12-12 Thread Doug Bezona

Yup - you can just do cfindex action=refresh ... which purges and
rebuilds.

If your collection changes frequently, you should do this regularly -
more than once a week may even be necessary. I generally just set it up
in the scheduler to refresh each night and then forget about it. 



 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Phillips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:32 AM
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 Subject: Re: CFSearch taking well over 1min to return anything.
 
 I have experienced this with collections that are built up
incrementally
 over time, where basically the index ends up in a very inefficient
 state. Try re-indexing the collection and see if it improves the
query
 time.
 
 
 When you say 're-index' the collection, do you mean to do a purge and
then
 cfindex again?  We do that every week.  We are finding though the same
 results you are mentioning and that maybe we should delete the
collection
 and start fresh every week.  Any other thoughts?
 
 

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Re: Wierd IE 7 issue

2006-12-12 Thread Steve Milburn

I would not hold my breath.  I have noticed this behavior on IE 6 as well.

Steve

Bruce Sorge wrote:
 Cool, so I am not the only one. I am sure that M$ is aware of this and
 hopefully will issue a fix.

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 I encountered the same thing when I first started testing on IE7.  If
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RE: CFC's

2006-12-12 Thread loathe

While the complexity of my CFML has certainly increased in the past several
years, so has the complexity of the web applications I am building now.

To be honest the master/detail drill down and very basic crud stuff I used
to do isn't really around anymore. Now application shave to integrate
seamlessly into multiple environments, interface with other applications and
services, and generally be much more intense (read enterprise level
government development).

No I'll grant that for those people that are out there still doing basic web
sites and so forth, well, all the complexity is unnecessary, however, CF 8
will I am sure be backwards compatible for the most part, and you will still
be able to write procedural CFML if that's your preference.

Remember, no one is making you use OO principals.

-Original Message-
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFC's

I came across this post where people were discussing the use of smith as
an alternative to CFMX. Anyways, I was wondering what other peoples
thoughts on the subject were. I have to agree that Macromedia Coldfusion
is kind of getting away from what made CFML so popular and that was rapid
developement. It seems that it is taking me twice as long to write alot of
the code (using CFC's) then it did before hand, and the complication level
has also increased. I am afraid to look at CFMX 8 as I feel that OO is the
way CF is going.

Message:

While more competition in the CFML market is a great thing, this engine
won't run any of the popular frameworks as it is missing one of the most
important features of CFML; CFCs!!! Think of saying you have developed a
Java engine, but it doesn't support user defined classes! Not much point.
So yes, if all an engine had to do was to support simple Tags and CFML
functions, then of coure it would be fast.

Reply:

Actually, I regard this as a Good Thing. CF is a champion for pounding out
small sites quickly. I'd go as far to say that in that capacity probably
nothing can beat it. I haven't seen anything that beats cfquery
cfoutput. CFCs tried to bring objects and OO to CF, and they've gone a
long way to destroying the principal strength of the language -
simplicity. Take a look at the CF community these days and most of what
you'll find is intellectual masturbation. They're going down the same road
Java went down recently. A proliferation of frameworks, to the point where
they have numerous ORMs and even a Spring clone. You have to wonder if at
any point these guys don't say, Hmm, why don't we just use Java?

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Re: XML

2006-12-12 Thread Teddy Payne

The attachement should help you.

Teddy

On 12/12/06, Chad Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am kind of new to handling XML in CF.

 Here is my basic XML data

 preferences
elementView
JID view=yes /
SKU view=yes /
ElementDescription view=yes /
ElementType view=yes /
TypeOfShot view=yes /
SimpleORAdvanced view=yes /
Props view=yes /
OutlineType view=yes /
notes view=yes /
careyNotes view=yes /
Round view=yes /
ElementStatus view=yes /
ElementStatusDate view=yes /
/elementView
 /preferences

 I want to loop over the items in elementView and display the view
 attribute.

 Is there a good way of looping over this data and outputting it?

 Can I somehow get the names of the items, JID, SKU, etc... then use that
 to dynamically make

 #session.prefs.preferences.elementView.JID.XMLAttributes.view#
 #session.prefs.preferences.elementView.SKU.XMLAttributes.view#

 Etc...

 I am also new to using the MS SQL datatype XML.  Any thing I should know
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 Thanks!
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RE: XML

2006-12-12 Thread Ian Skinner

The attachment should help you.

Teddy


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Re: Web Services choke on HTTP Compression?

2006-12-12 Thread Michael Schreiber

Thanks, Steven!

That is brilliant.  I guess I knew that ColdFusion just used the WSDL to 
generate the stub objects, but I didn't know about the server port element 
tying it to the actual webservice server.  Saving the WSDL to my local machine 
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The only weirdness is that our business partner swears that they don't use HTTP 
compression on the server.  Maybe its just an incompatibility with ColdFusion, 
Web Services and SSL.

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RE: XML

2006-12-12 Thread Chad Gray

Hehehe...  you can send it to my email.

cgray careyweb com

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RE: CFC's

2006-12-12 Thread loathe

word

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the benefit, I've just not spent the time to learn one. So again, just
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RE: CFC's

2006-12-12 Thread Ciliotta, Mario

 

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Re: Buying CF7 Standard in bulk / cheapest prices? OEM?

2006-12-12 Thread Nicholas M Tunney

I've had good luck with CDW.

Michael Muller wrote:
 Hey all,

 I'm in the market to buy two licenses to CF7 Standard, like, yesterday. And 
 starting in January we hope to need to buy on the order of ten per month.

 Any suggestions for best prices?

 Any bulk sellers?

 

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Re: last updated date from MySql database

 I just want to check the last time a table was updated and display that time
 on the homepage. I know I can write some code that marks the time of an
 update or insert into the database and use that, but I noticed that mySQL
 tables have an update time on them, and wondered if I can shortcut and just
 use that data. There are a number of tables that can be updated, so I'd need
 to check them all, compare the updated times and only show the most recent.

Oh, I see.  I didn't know mySQL did that.  I don't know how you'd
access that.  How are you seeing this last updated date, from the
MySQL Admin?  You could google around, there might be something with
show tables you could do...

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RE: Buying CF7 Standard in bulk / cheapest prices? OEM?

 I'm in the market to buy two licenses to CF7 Standard, like, 
 yesterday. And starting in January we hope to need to buy on 
 the order of ten per month.
 
 Any suggestions for best prices?
 
 Any bulk sellers?

For your first two licenses, your best bet is just to purchase them from the
Adobe Store; that way, you don't have to wait on a delivery since you can
use the online delivery option.

For subsequent licenses, unfortunately, I don't think that you're going to
get a lot of flexibility with pricing, since 10 per month isn't really
bulk for most stores. Fig Leaf Software is an Adobe reseller; if you're
interested in talking to one of our salespeople about pricing options, let
me know offlist.

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Re: Buying CF7 Standard in bulk / cheapest prices? OEM?

2006-12-12 Thread Gert Franz

Hi Michael,

have you ever considered Railo as an exchange for CFMX? Ist's almost 100% 
compatible to CFMX and is a very performanct alternative.

Just check it at www.railo.ch

Cheers

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Railo Technologies GmbH

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Upload files to IIS Virtual Directory

My goal is to have an internal Intranet site where users can 2 upload
files to some internal servers (to replace a manual process we
currently do for them). We're using IIS 6, and CF 7. The problem is
that this CF server is hosting a lot of existing sites, and we've got
it setup to use the local system account, and the other guys on my
team are loath to change that to a domain account because of all the
other sites. So cffile won't work, because the local system account
doesn't have access to the remote shares.

I do have a domain account that we could use, but I'm not sure how to
do it. We thought about setting up a virtual directory in IIS, and
use the domain account for the authentication. This seems to work in
IIS (I can see the files on the remote share), but I can't figure out
how to write to it using CF. I've tried using cfhttp method=put, with
cfhttpparam type=file, but that doesn't work.

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Re: UPS API

http://ray.camdenfamily.com/index.cfm/2006/12/12/First-draft-of-UPS-Package-Released

Enjoy.

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Coldfusion roadmap

2006-12-12 Thread Charles E. Heizer

Hello,
I was wondering if there is a roadmap for Coldfusion like new versions
etc...

I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find any
info on that.

Thanks,

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Re: Coldfusion roadmap

2006-12-12 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)

Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff..

Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new version out
next year.









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Hello,
I was wondering if there is a roadmap for Coldfusion like new versions
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Re: Coldfusion roadmap

 Hello,
 I was wondering if there is a roadmap for Coldfusion like new versions
 etc...

 I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find any
 info on that.

It's definitely not EOL, here's the preview site for CF 8 (aka Scropio):
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Scorpio


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File upload max size

2006-12-12 Thread Snake

Someone was asking recently how you can limit the size of uploaded files,
well I just came across this.

http://www.cftagstore.com/tags/flashmultipleupload.cfm

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Re: Coldfusion roadmap

2006-12-12 Thread Andy Allan

I heard that Elvis is alive and well in a trailer park just outside Milwaukie.

I heard that Iraq had WOMD.

I heard there were fairies and a talking toadstool at the bottom of my garden.

I heard *yawn*

Andy (jackanory, jackanory, tra la la la la la)

ok, sorry if I'm being really sarcastic but its a well know fact
(blogs, mailing lists, Adobe Labs, etc) that CF is NOT going away.

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Subject: Coldfusion roadmap

Hello,
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I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find any
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Thanks,

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RE: Coldfusion roadmap

2006-12-12 Thread DURETTE, STEVEN J $ASI-AIT$

Actually,

I read his post differently.  He specifically mentioned new versions.  I
think he is asking for how long a version of the product is supported.
Sort of like Microsoft tells you that they will end support for Version
X, Z number of years after Version Y comes out.

Steve


-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: Coldfusion roadmap


I heard that Elvis is alive and well in a trailer park just outside
Milwaukie.

I heard that Iraq had WOMD.

I heard there were fairies and a talking toadstool at the bottom of my
garden.

I heard  *yawn*

Andy (jackanory, jackanory, tra la la la la la)

ok, sorry if I'm being really sarcastic but its a well know fact
(blogs, mailing lists, Adobe Labs, etc) that CF is NOT going away.

On 12/12/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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 Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff..

 Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new
version out
 next year.









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 Subject: Coldfusion roadmap

 Hello,
 I was wondering if there is a roadmap for Coldfusion like new versions
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 I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't
find any
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cfcUnit

2006-12-12 Thread Dan Vega

I am running some test cases using cfcUnit, My question is when i ran this
test the first time i forgot to pass the datasource to my init method. I
have since
added it but it still does not see it in the setup? Is this cached, am i
missing something?

cfcomponent namespace=StudentInterviewTest extends=
org.cfcunit.framework.TestCase

cfset variables.studentInterview = 

cffunction name=setup access=private returntype=void
cfset variables.studentInterview = createObject(component,
StudentInterview).init(mydsn)
/cffunction

cffunction name=testSendInterviewEmail access=public
returntype=void
cfset studentInterview.sendInterviewEmail(arg1,arg2)
/cffunction

/cfcomponent


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TODAY: MDCFUG on Tuesday 12/12/06: CF Admin, Fusebox 5

2006-12-12 Thread Michael Smith

You are invited to Maryland ColdFusion User Group Meeting on Tuesday
12/12/2006.

6:30pm â CFMX Administrator 'for Dummies' with Jo Ann Goertner
8:00pm â Fusebox 5: what is new with Sandra Clark
(Times are Eastern Standard Time)

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Topic: CFMX Administrator 'for Dummies'

In my first 4 years writing, troubleshooting and maintaining ColdFusion
code, I have always treated
the CF Administrator as someone else's territory. It's my last resort,
my afterthought when all
else fails. Why? Mostly because it's unfamiliar. I'm afraid I'll break
something. And, there's
always been someone else I could go to.

Great excuses! Yet, there are basic things every CF developer needs to
know about the Administrator.
Yes, even those of us who don't have primary responsibility to maintain
the server. What are they?
That's what we'll look at in this presentation.

I'm picking the brains of my someone elses and I'll share with you
what I learn. If you've had the
same excuses I have, I invite you to get over them along with me!

Jo Ann Goertner can be reached at joann (at) teratech.com.

Topic: Fusebox 5: what is new

In this talk, Sandra Clark, will cover Fusebox 5, from new features to
backwards compatibility.
Along the way, she will touch on:

* Using Multiple Fusebox Applications in one ColdFusion Application
* New Application Initialization
* New Verbs/Syntax available, including nesting!
* New Execution Modes, when to use them
* Implicit Circuits
* Extending the Framework with lexicons.

Bio:
Sandra Clark, an advanced Macromedia Certified ColdFusion developer, is
a Senior Software Developer
with the Constella Group in Bethesda, Maryland. She has contributed
material to the ColdFusion 5.0
Certified Developer Study Guide published by Syngress Media/Osborne
McGraw Hill, and to the
ColdFusion Developers Journal. She has also spoken at various CFUGS and
ColdFusion User Conferences
around the country.

Sandra is an active proponent of applying accepted and proven web
standards to development as a way
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RE: Coldfusion roadmap

2006-12-12 Thread Michael E. Carluen

I thought I heard that it was EOL since Adobe bought it but I can't find
any info on that.

Charles, now c'mon, man... I think you answered your own question.  :-)

And check this out:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amuller/280186935/

Either the oracle of cf is attempting a career-ending exhibition, or he must
just be real jazzed on the upcoming CF8.  Personally, I really think he'd
still like us to buy his books.





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 Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:10 AM
 To: CF-Talk
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 Uh oh, here it goes again! The ever present EOL stuff..
 
 Let's just say, ColdFusion is alive and well.. With a major new version
 out
 next year.
 
 


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Flash Form and opening a page in a new browser.

2006-12-12 Thread DURETTE, STEVEN J $ASI-AIT$

Hi all,
 
I've got kind of a weird problem with opening a new window from a flash
form.  First let me say this is for IE6, I haven't tried any other
browsers because we are a closed IE shop (not my choice).
 
I have 2 cfinputs on the flash forms (code below).  One to open a new
window and display a pdf, the other to open a new window and display an
xls file.  The pdf works exactly as expected.  The excel opens a new
window with the error: 
 
Action canceled Internet Explorer was unable to link to the Web page you
requested. The page might be temporarily unavailable.

  Please try the following:  Click the Refresh button, or try
again later.  If you have visited this page previously and you want to
view what has been stored on your computer, click File, and then click
Work Offline.  For information about offline browsing with Internet
Explorer, click the Help menu, and then click Contents and Index.
Internet Explorer 

 
If you click refresh after the error comes up, the xls displays
correctly.  If you hit the page directly it displays correctly, it only
errors when called from a button in a flash form.
 
Code:
cfinput type=Image src=/images/excel.gif height=23 width=25
name=Excel onclick=_root.getURL('my_xls.cfm?lid=' +
#Variables.logID#,  _blank'); / 
cfinput type=Image src=/images/icon_pdf.gif height=23 width=25
name=PDF onclick=_root.getURL('my_pdf.cfm?lid=' + #Variables.logID#,
'_blank'); /
 
Thanks,
Steve
 


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Re: UPS API

2006-12-12 Thread Will Tomlinson

You are a machine dude. 

Will

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Previous/Next Button Issue

2006-12-12 Thread Steve LaBadie

I am trying to apply a previous next button and limit the records to 10.
When the page views the data replicated 10 times for each record.

 

 

This code generates the data:

cfoutput

cfif CurrentRow MOD 2 is 1

cfset bgcolor = ##f2f2f3

cfelse

cfset bgcolor = ##ff

/cfif

cfloop query=GetExp startrow=#URL.StartRow# endrow=#EndRow#

tr bgcolor=#bgcolor# class=font8td class=reda
href=EmpDetail.cfm?emp_id=cfoutput#URLEncodedFormat(queryGrid.e_emp_i
d)#/cfoutputcfoutput#transitparams#/cfoutput
class=red#fldname#/a/td

td class=font8#fldtitle#/td

td class=font8#fldwork_phone#/td/cfloop

/tr

/cfoutput/cfloop

 

This code handles the record count:

!--- Retrieve expense records from database ---

cfquery name=GetExp datasource=empldir

SELECT *

FROM emps

ORDER BY name ASC

/cfquery

 

!--- Number of rows to display per Next/Back page  ---

cfset RowsPerPage = 10

!--- What row to start at? Assume first by default ---

cfparam name=URL.StartRow default=1 type=numeric

 

!--- We know the total number of rows from query   ---

cfset TotalRows = GetExp.RecordCount

!--- Last row is 10 rows past the starting row, or ---

!--- total number of query rows, whichever is less ---

cfset EndRow = Min(URL.StartRow + RowsPerPage - 1, TotalRows)

!--- Next button goes to 1 past current end row  ---

cfset StartRowNext = EndRow + 1

!--- Back button goes back N rows from start row ---

cfset StartRowBack = URL.StartRow - RowsPerPage

 

 

Steve LaBadie, Web Manager
East Stroudsburg University
200 Prospect St.
East Stroudsburg, Pa 18301
570-422-3999
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Re: TODAY: MDCFUG on Tuesday 12/12/06: CF Admin, Fusebox 5

Michael, will that be broadcast live via Adobe chats?

On 12/12/06, Michael Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

You are invited to Maryland ColdFusion User Group Meeting on Tuesday
12/12/2006.

6:30pm CFMX Administrator 'for Dummies' with Jo Ann Goertner
8:00pm Fusebox 5: what is new with Sandra Clark
(Times are Eastern Standard Time)

Can't make it to the meeting? Remote access via Adobe chats
http://adobechats.adobe.acrobat.com/mdcfug121206/

TeraTech, Inc.
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Suite 207
Rockville, MD 20850
301-424-3903

For a map or for directions: Go to
http://www.cfug-md.org/directions/directions.cfm.

Topic: CFMX Administrator 'for Dummies'

I'm picking the brains of my someone elses and I'll share with you
what I learn. If you've had the
same excuses I have, I invite you to get over them along with me!

Jo Ann Goertner can be reached at joann (at) teratech.com.

Topic: Fusebox 5: what is new

In this talk, Sandra Clark, will cover Fusebox 5, from new features to
backwards compatibility.
Along the way, she will touch on:

Sandra is an active proponent of applying accepted and proven web
standards to development as a way
of improving accessibility as well as making life easier on developers.

Sandra Clark can be reached at slclark (at) shayna.com.

--
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TeraTech voted Best Consulting Service by CFDJ readers!
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Re: UPS API

2006-12-12 Thread Dan Vega

Agreed! haha

On 12/12/06, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You are a machine dude.

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RE: Upload files to IIS Virtual Directory

My goal is to have an internal Intranet site where users can
2 upload files to some internal servers (to replace a manual
process we currently do for them). We're using IIS 6, and CF
7. The problem is that this CF server is hosting a lot of
existing sites, and we've got it setup to use the local
system account, and the other guys on my team are loath to
change that to a domain account because of all the other
sites. So cffile won't work, because the local system
account doesn't have access to the remote shares.

I do have a domain account that we could use, but I'm not
sure how to do it. We thought about setting up a virtual
directory in IIS, and use the domain account for the
authentication. This seems to work in IIS (I can see the
files on the remote share), but I can't figure out how to
write to it using CF. I've tried using cfhttp method=put,
with cfhttpparam type=file, but that doesn't work.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to accomplish with CFHTTP. Would
this happen after the user has uploaded a file locally?

If my guess is correct, what kind of response do you get when you use
CFHTTP? Presumably, you get an error message? You should be able to use
CFHTTP METHOD=PUT with CFHTTPPARAM TYPE=FILE.

Are you sure you can write to the remote share using WebDAV at all? Have you
tested this?

As an alternative to this approach, which seems a bit ugly, why not use
something else to get files from the local drive to the remote share? A
scheduled task, or a watched directory, etc? If you're running CF in the
multiserver configuration, you could even use a separate CF instance just
for this, with the appropriate security context for that instance only.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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Java 6 JRE?

I KNOW it wont be supported, but has anyone tested the Java 6 JRE with
CF?  I was gonna toss it on a dev server and was just wondering if
anyone else has tried it.

Chris

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