Re: one for the SQL gurus
I tried this and it didn't work... ? Didn't work how (error, wrong results..)? Ignoring any typos/syntax errors in the psuedo code, the two statements should return the same results as far as I can see. Janet ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289209 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Instantiating all objects within Application.cfm
Heh, I've never tried that - I knew that the unnamed application scope allowed for integration with servlets, but I've never actually dumped it. On 9/23/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So was I - as long as I know the application name, a CFAPPLICATION tag anywhere on the machine can make any CF code part of your application. There is no folder restriction on this and no way to prevent it. Just set your application name to the empty string and you can see *everyone's* application scopes by dumping yours. That's just how the underlying Java Servlet context works -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289210 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: one for the SQL gurus
What version of CF? Was the list attribute to cfqueryparam available in 6, 6.1? Cheers, Kris I tried this and it didn't work... ? Didn't work how (error, wrong results..)? Ignoring any typos/syntax errors in the psuedo code, the two statements should return the same results as far as I can see. ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289211 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
SOT: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Good morning, all. I hope Michael doesn't mind, but I need some advice on a CF topic that does come up from time to time but isn't directly code-related. (Well actually it is, because depending on the direction I go with hosting, I may have to re-write a lot of code.) Anyway. After hosting my own sites with CF 4.5 for the last 8 years or so, I'm ready to outsource the hosting and move up to CF 8! (I know you'll be so proud, Will.) The choice is between shared hosting for $30 per month or a VPS for $70 per month. The $30 is cheaper, but I can't use host headers as I've done for virtual sites and have to use cfswitch depending on the domain to route the visitor to the proper folder. I do get my client's domain in the address bar, but with a path that's a little odd. e.g. http://www.clientdomain.com/sites/clientdomain/index.cfm Not a real big deal, but different. I can also have only one MySQL database. unlimited datasources, but only one database (I didn't know there was a difference. the company said datasources means type of connections. that differentiation doesn't make sense to me.). And that means I'll have to consolidate all my databases (about 20) into one and rename all the tables to append the clients domain or something to differentiate tables, such as hfumc_calendar, taylorscreek_calendar, etc. Quite a pain. and if I ever want to separate the databases again, I have to recode all the sites for different table names. The VPS is a little over twice the cost. But I get full control over the machine (CF 8, Win 2003 Server) 1 GB RAM. specs on either side are acceptable. I can install MySQL and have as many databases as I like, so I can my code the same. I just wonder if there are any more gotcha's that I haven't considered with shared hosting as opposed to VPS hosting. The first two I ran into were the lack of virtual domains and databases with the shared hosting. Any thoughts or insights on the choice? Thanks for your input. Rick PS - Just think. I my write my first CFC soon! :o) ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finderproductID=1522loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289212 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: urgent help required - using a users selection to select specific data
Lol! Please let us know that you have not been staked Toby! Sincerely worried, The Community ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Greg Morphis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: urgent help required - using a users selection to select specific data reminds me of http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail10.html On 9/22/07, Adkins, Randy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One issue, is your probably getting an error from: FORM.TIMEDATE_PERIOD does not exist. Unless the form is being submitted from a previous form. Are you submitting the form right back to itself? If not, then why do you need the CFIF statement in the OPTIONs If so, add a form parameter at the top of the page: cfparam name=form.timedate_period default= -Original Message- From: Toby King [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: urgent help required - using a users selection to select specific data Hi there I'm really stuck on this issue - have been trying to work it out for several hours so would really appreciate some input as to what I need to do. I have displayed on screen an option where a user can select a month of a year to select specific data. table form action=avgHours.cfm method=post name=form1 tr class=printhide td align=center bGraph Comparison Month/b select name=timedate_period onChange=document.form1.submit() cfloop query=CHECK_Periods option value=#timedate_id# cfif form.timedate_period eq Check_Periods.timedate_idselected/cfif#dateformat(dateend, )# /cfloop /select input type=submit value=Generate Report style=font-weight:bold;color:dodgerblue;background-color:white;border :n one; /td /tr tr class=printhidetdnbsp;/td/tr /form /table ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289213 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: MS SQL 2005 vs CFMX 7.02Ent
Will, I'm struggling against the very same thing at present. Did you ever figure out the problem? Ok, we recently switched to running MS SQL 2005 servers in an Active/Passive cluster on Win2003 (64Bit). While we were testing we had no issues with DB access. After migrating most of our databases to the SQL 2005 Cluster we are not getting the same error a few times a day that crashes our whole CFMX application (which is running behind a load balancer across three CFMX servers. The error we see is this: (note: az_tar is a valid name of a DB) Message: Error Executing Database Query. Detail: [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver][SQLServer]Cannot open database az_tar requested by the login. The login failed. Date: 09/05/2007 Time: 06:16:08 The login permissions are set right and have not changed from the previous server to this server cluster. Also, the logins work most of the day without an issue then all of a sudden for reasons unknown to us this error pops up across most or all the databases on this server. We found a MS JDBC driver (Microsoft SQL Server 2005 JDBC Driver 1.1) that they state In its continued commitment to interoperability, Microsoft provides a Java Database Connectivity (JDBC) driver for use with SQL Server 2005. My questions are: Has anyone see this issue before? And if so, what was the problem/solution? Has anyone tried this MS JDBC Driver and what were your results? Thank You, Wil Genovese ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289214 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
College Football
You know, there were very few games I was interested in yesterday. Primarily, of course, I was interested in the Michigan-Penn State game. Nice to see Michigan get another win, improve their record to 2-2, and keep their hopes alive for a big ten championship. Michigan goes to Northwestern then comes back home to Eastern Michigan, both of which should be easy wins (but hopefully Michigan won't take either lightly). The Purdue game will be the next big test. Purdue is averaging 48.5 points a game, with an average margin of victory of 4 touchdowns! Michigan's quarterback looked awesome.. Ryan Mallet scored a rushing TD from 10 yards out, and made some great plays under pressure... he made a couple of mistakes but that's still to be expected for a true freshman. But he's gonna be a hell of a quarterback long term.. 6'7, 250 pounds with a cannon of an arm. I think he might end up a #1 draft pick some day. And damn, I love seeing Notre Dame struggle. I was saddened to see them finally score an offensive touchdown this weekend against the Spartans. Notre Dame is 0-4 for the first time in its history. Yay! -- Rick Root Check out CFMBB, BlogCFM, ImageCFC, ImapCFC, CFFM, and more at www.opensourcecf.com ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289215 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: College Football
DON'T REPLY TO THIS, I'M REPOSTING TO cf-community! On 9/23/07, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, there were very few games I was interested in yesterday. Primarily, of course, I was interested in the Michigan-Penn State game. Nice to see Michigan get another win, improve their record to 2-2, and keep their hopes alive for a big ten championship. Michigan goes to Northwestern then comes back home to Eastern Michigan, both of which should be easy wins (but hopefully Michigan won't take either lightly). The Purdue game will be the next big test. Purdue is averaging 48.5 points a game, with an average margin of victory of 4 touchdowns! Michigan's quarterback looked awesome.. Ryan Mallet scored a rushing TD from 10 yards out, and made some great plays under pressure... he made a couple of mistakes but that's still to be expected for a true freshman. But he's gonna be a hell of a quarterback long term.. 6'7, 250 pounds with a cannon of an arm. I think he might end up a #1 draft pick some day. And damn, I love seeing Notre Dame struggle. I was saddened to see them finally score an offensive touchdown this weekend against the Spartans. Notre Dame is 0-4 for the first time in its history. Yay! -- Rick Root Check out CFMBB, BlogCFM, ImageCFC, ImapCFC, CFFM, and more at www.opensourcecf.com -- Rick Root Check out CFMBB, BlogCFM, ImageCFC, ImapCFC, CFFM, and more at www.opensourcecf.com ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289216 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Problem connecting CF8 to SQL2005 developer edition via JDBC
Hi all,
I'm attempting to configure a development environment with IIS, CFMX8 and SQL
Server 2005 developer edition, all running on top of XP SP2. The process just
to get to this point has been painful enough, but now I've hit a bug that I
cannot seem to get around. I was hoping somebody else may have already run
into this.
When I attempt to connect to SQL Server via the CF administrator, I get the
following error message:
Connection verification failed for data source: trumpDBtest
java.sql.SQLException: [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver][SQLServer]Cannot
open database {my database} requested by the login. The login failed.
The root cause was that: java.sql.SQLException: [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC
Driver][SQLServer]Cannot open database {my database} requested by the login.
The login failed.
I'm not much of a DBA, and it's the first time I've ever worked with SQL Server
2005, but here's what I've managed to work through:
1. I figured out that SQL Server 2005 needs to be running in Mixed Mode
Authentication instead of Windows Authentication Mode.
2. By default, SQL Server 2005 disabled connections to it via Named Pipes and
TCP/IP. I enabled both (though, I think I only really needed to enable TCP/IP).
3. I attempted to use a MS JDBC driver instead of the CF JDBC driver, but
ended up with pretty much the same error message. I followed directions at the
following URL, modifying from 2005 Express to 2005 where necessary:
http://www.fusioncube.net/?p=59
4. I downloaded the latest version of Java (1.4.2_15), and pointed CFMX8 to it
instead of the JVM that comes with CFMX8.
5. I set up a login account in SQL Server 2005 that I then invoke from the cf
administrator (I called it cfuser). I set the default database on that SQL
user to be the DB I wanted, and I unchecked enforce password policy.
It certainly appears I'm actually getting to SQL Server 2005 from Cold Fusion,
and that the failure is happening once I've made the initial connection. I
read someplace that somebody with a similar problem was forced to set up an
ODBC connection, but a) I don't really know how to do that, and b) it certainly
seems like I should just be able to use the built-in JDBC drivers, dammit. (-;
Any guidance is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ben
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Re: Forums?
On 9/20/07, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on Rick - we can do that (add mailing list/newsgroup). How hard can it be? ;) I've had at least one request for such functionality, but I figure the time required would probably be more than I have available. I'd rather be watching The Fairly Odd Parents with my 5 year old daughter :) -- Rick Root Check out CFMBB, BlogCFM, ImageCFC, ImapCFC, CFFM, and more at www.opensourcecf.com ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finderproductID=1522loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289218 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Problem connecting CF8 to SQL2005 developer edition via JDBC
Okay, after all that, I just answered my own question. I had created a SQL user, and set the default database on that SQL user to be the one I wanted. However, I had *not* specifically added that user to the list of users on that database. I don't recall needing to do that in SQL Server 2000--I thought that setting a default database was enough. So, perhaps this is new to SQL 2005, or perhaps I just don't recall doing that in SQL 2000. Anyway, I hope that helps somebody. ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finderproductID=1522loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289219 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: MS SQL 2005 vs CFMX 7.02Ent
Ben Mueller wrote: I'm struggling against the very same thing at present. Did you ever figure out the problem? I have only seen the problem when there was a bad setup of the network drivers / teaming / IGMP snooping on the database and the network switch and requests ended up on the passive node instead of the active one. You might want to check the logfiles on the database server to see which server is sending the error. Jochem ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289220 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: one for the SQL gurus
What version of CF? Was the list attribute to cfqueryparam available in 6, 6.1? I haven't tried it but the documentation says its available in 6/6.1 http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/6/CFML_Reference/Tags-pt219.htm#1102474 http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/6.1/htmldocs/tags-b20.htm ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289221 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Any thoughts on this one? -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SOT: Shared Hosting vs VPS Good morning, all. I hope Michael doesn't mind, but I need some advice on a CF topic that does come up from time to time but isn't directly code-related. (Well actually it is, because depending on the direction I go with hosting, I may have to re-write a lot of code.) Anyway. After hosting my own sites with CF 4.5 for the last 8 years or so, I'm ready to outsource the hosting and move up to CF 8! (I know you'll be so proud, Will.) The choice is between shared hosting for $30 per month or a VPS for $70 per month. The $30 is cheaper, but I can't use host headers as I've done for virtual sites and have to use cfswitch depending on the domain to route the visitor to the proper folder. I do get my client's domain in the address bar, but with a path that's a little odd. e.g. http://www.clientdomain.com/sites/clientdomain/index.cfm Not a real big deal, but different. I can also have only one MySQL database. unlimited datasources, but only one database (I didn't know there was a difference. the company said datasources means type of connections. that differentiation doesn't make sense to me.). And that means I'll have to consolidate all my databases (about 20) into one and rename all the tables to append the clients domain or something to differentiate tables, such as hfumc_calendar, taylorscreek_calendar, etc. Quite a pain. and if I ever want to separate the databases again, I have to recode all the sites for different table names. The VPS is a little over twice the cost. But I get full control over the machine (CF 8, Win 2003 Server) 1 GB RAM. specs on either side are acceptable. I can install MySQL and have as many databases as I like, so I can my code the same. I just wonder if there are any more gotcha's that I haven't considered with shared hosting as opposed to VPS hosting. The first two I ran into were the lack of virtual domains and databases with the shared hosting. Any thoughts or insights on the choice? Thanks for your input. Rick PS - Just think. I my write my first CFC soon! :o) ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289222 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
The $30 deal seems silly. Why only one database? I personally don't like the VPS options that several of the other hosting companies are now offering as being even remotely reasonable. Here goes my rant on VPS... At $70 per month, they have to be cutting a lot of corners to make that economical. For example, CF Standard costs $1300, it would take over 18 months just to recoup the cost of CF? With server/bandwidth/resources included over 2 years. Either the resources they give you would be seriously limited and/or they have to be overloading the servers to make this profitable. Putting way too many VPSs on one server. Several people here have noted the bad performance from VPS. One other point, is most hosters will give you complete control (basically terminal service access) to the box. Do you really want this? You might be a good programmer, but are you also a solid system administrator? Do you really want to carry that load as well? Then think, others have the same access to their servers. Now you have even higher security concerns to deal with in relation to that. If they have firewalls protecting you from the outside. Do they also have firewalls protecting you from other VPSs? If their control panel can't handle most server setup functions then frankly it should. Then ask yourself, if your VPS does go down. Who has to do the rebuild. Do they simply provide a fresh VPS instance and leave you to set everything back up? There's a lot to consider when they offer you enough rope to hang yourself with. I'm not going to sale you on FusionLink here. If you like, I can address you on our options off list. I just want to point out VPS might not be as good of a deal as it seems. John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] 770.337.8363 www.FusionLink.com - ColdFusion and Flex hosting Now offering ColdFusion 8 Enterprise hosting FREE Subversion hosting ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289223 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: MS SQL 2005 vs CFMX 7.02Ent
I don't know if it's specifically relevant or not to this thread, but I solved my issue. As I described in a different thread on the subject, I had created a SQL user and had declared a specific database as the default database in SQL Server 2005. However, I needed to specifically add that user to the database as well. So it was a two-step process: 1) create user account (and, optionally, assign default database); 2) specifically add that user to any database you wish to access from CF. Maybe everybody already knew that, but i don't remember needing the second step in SQL Server 2000. Hope it helps somebody. ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289224 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS
John Mason wrote: The $30 deal seems silly. Why only one database? To prevent you from hosting multiple sites on it. At $70 per month, they have to be cutting a lot of corners to make that economical. For example, CF Standard costs $1300, it would take over 18 months just to recoup the cost of CF? With 4 Virtual servers on one Physical server, a 20% discount because they buy wholesale they recoup CF in 4 months. One other point, is most hosters will give you complete control (basically terminal service access) to the box. Do you really want this? You might be a good programmer, but are you also a solid system administrator? Do you really want to carry that load as well? Then think, others have the same access to their servers. Now you have even higher security concerns to deal with in relation to that. Others having access to *their* VPS does not add to the security concerns of *your* VPS. Then ask yourself, if your VPS does go down. Who has to do the rebuild. Do they simply provide a fresh VPS instance and leave you to set everything back up? And how hard is that? Jochem ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finderproductID=1522loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289225 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
To prevent you from hosting multiple sites on it. Well, the interesting thing about that is that they know that's what I'm doing and have helped me get everything set up the way their system works. They even had the control panel set up where I can add additional domains for the email accounts for other websites. With that in mind, the reason for a single database is still unclear. Perhaps that's the way they make additional money off of multiple websites, if they need databases. Strange... Rick -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 2:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS John Mason wrote: The $30 deal seems silly. Why only one database? To prevent you from hosting multiple sites on it. At $70 per month, they have to be cutting a lot of corners to make that economical. For example, CF Standard costs $1300, it would take over 18 months just to recoup the cost of CF? With 4 Virtual servers on one Physical server, a 20% discount because they buy wholesale they recoup CF in 4 months. One other point, is most hosters will give you complete control (basically terminal service access) to the box. Do you really want this? You might be a good programmer, but are you also a solid system administrator? Do you really want to carry that load as well? Then think, others have the same access to their servers. Now you have even higher security concerns to deal with in relation to that. Others having access to *their* VPS does not add to the security concerns of *your* VPS. Then ask yourself, if your VPS does go down. Who has to do the rebuild. Do they simply provide a fresh VPS instance and leave you to set everything back up? And how hard is that? Jochem ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289226 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Thanks for the feedback, John, it's much appreciated. I had the same thoughts about the cost aspect. I wondered if they're getting a good deal from Adobe to make it feasible or if it just ultimately paid off quickly enough. The control panel you mentioned is either Plesk or HostingController.com. Haven't used either... And the access to the VPS is via Remote Desktop, which I don't see any problem with. The servers for the VPS also run on Raid 5 arrays, which is good in case of hard drive failure. I've been running mine on Raid for backup and uptime, as well. And yes, one of the things I was concerned about was being able to quickly get up to speed on administering CF 8 and having only administered CF 4.5 for about 8 years, and also Win 2003 Server after having only used Win 2000 Server. But I would imagine the basic functions that I get into would be very similar. Also, the VPS company reassured me that I wouldn't be responsible for the basic maintenance of either Win 2003 Server or CF 8, since those are what come with the package. Other software I choose to install, I would need to handle... that would basically just be MySQL, which is no problem, since I've been using it for years. Another aspect of the VPS I like is being able to install particular software or tags that I need. For instance, I've been using CFX_JPG from Efflare for years and most of my sites use it. Granted, the tags in CF8 can probably handle my needs now, but almost all of my current sites are coded for CFX_JPG and I would either likely have to do without it on a shared host and recode all the sites that use it to work without it. It's just hard making the transition from running my own hardware and software to the limitations of outsourced hosting, either shared or VPS. But at least with VPS I have much more control over the system, even rebooting it, which I don't have with shared hosting environment. Rick -Original Message- From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 2:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS The $30 deal seems silly. Why only one database? I personally don't like the VPS options that several of the other hosting companies are now offering as being even remotely reasonable. Here goes my rant on VPS... At $70 per month, they have to be cutting a lot of corners to make that economical. For example, CF Standard costs $1300, it would take over 18 months just to recoup the cost of CF? With server/bandwidth/resources included over 2 years. Either the resources they give you would be seriously limited and/or they have to be overloading the servers to make this profitable. Putting way too many VPSs on one server. Several people here have noted the bad performance from VPS. One other point, is most hosters will give you complete control (basically terminal service access) to the box. Do you really want this? You might be a good programmer, but are you also a solid system administrator? Do you really want to carry that load as well? Then think, others have the same access to their servers. Now you have even higher security concerns to deal with in relation to that. If they have firewalls protecting you from the outside. Do they also have firewalls protecting you from other VPSs? If their control panel can't handle most server setup functions then frankly it should. Then ask yourself, if your VPS does go down. Who has to do the rebuild. Do they simply provide a fresh VPS instance and leave you to set everything back up? There's a lot to consider when they offer you enough rope to hang yourself with. I'm not going to sale you on FusionLink here. If you like, I can address you on our options off list. I just want to point out VPS might not be as good of a deal as it seems. John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] 770.337.8363 www.FusionLink.com - ColdFusion and Flex hosting Now offering ColdFusion 8 Enterprise hosting FREE Subversion hosting ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289227 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Rick Faircloth wrote: Also, the VPS company reassured me that I wouldn't be responsible for the basic maintenance of either Win 2003 Server or CF 8, since those are what come with the package. But how about the advanced maintenance? And how about your advanced maintenance conflicting with their basic maintenance? The first thing I do when I get administrative privileges on a VPS is kicking the hoster out ... Jochem ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289228 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
By kicking the hoster out, do you mean, basically, removing their control panel? Rick -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS Rick Faircloth wrote: Also, the VPS company reassured me that I wouldn't be responsible for the basic maintenance of either Win 2003 Server or CF 8, since those are what come with the package. But how about the advanced maintenance? And how about your advanced maintenance conflicting with their basic maintenance? The first thing I do when I get administrative privileges on a VPS is kicking the hoster out ... Jochem ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289229 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Others having access to *their* VPS does not add to the security concerns of *your* VPS. I can't agree with that. There several things to be consider here. How the network is setup, etc. But to say there's no impact is clearly wrong. Then ask yourself, if your VPS does go down. Who has to do the rebuild. Do they simply provide a fresh VPS instance and leave you to set everything back up? And how hard is that? Jochem For you maybe not, I would think you have enough experience to be your own sys admin, but others don't have the skills you have. That's the point. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289230 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
That's the critical question with this stuff. Where exactly is the line drawn and who has responsibility for what? The line is this case is pretty fuzzy unless you kick them completely off the VPS. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS Rick Faircloth wrote: Also, the VPS company reassured me that I wouldn't be responsible for the basic maintenance of either Win 2003 Server or CF 8, since those are what come with the package. But how about the advanced maintenance? And how about your advanced maintenance conflicting with their basic maintenance? The first thing I do when I get administrative privileges on a VPS is kicking the hoster out ... Jochem ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289231 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS
If i'm not mistaken the cost of CF is per 2 physical cpu's, so if you have a dual processor system you spend $1300 then say you throw 4 VPS systems on that box.This means that each VPS is responsible for $325 ( $1300 / 4 ) of the cost of ColdFusion Standard OR $1875 For CF ENT. Span each of these over 4 months and you've got $81.25 a month for Standard and $468.75 for ENT. After the first 4 months it's profit minus other costs. AND treating it like a shared hosting environment, after you've got the license paid off then the next VPS on the box will be $0 CF cost. I know some hosting companies that are planning major VMware roll outs and see this as a very viable alternative to new boxes. I personally would go with the $70 VPS IF you have some sys admin experience or know you'll get good support from the company or other resources. I'm a control freak though and hate shared hosting. jonese On 9/23/07, John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The $30 deal seems silly. Why only one database? I personally don't like the VPS options that several of the other hosting companies are now offering as being even remotely reasonable. Here goes my rant on VPS... At $70 per month, they have to be cutting a lot of corners to make that economical. For example, CF Standard costs $1300, it would take over 18 months just to recoup the cost of CF? With server/bandwidth/resources included over 2 years. Either the resources they give you would be seriously limited and/or they have to be overloading the servers to make this profitable. Putting way too many VPSs on one server. Several people here have noted the bad performance from VPS. One other point, is most hosters will give you complete control (basically terminal service access) to the box. Do you really want this? You might be a good programmer, but are you also a solid system administrator? Do you really want to carry that load as well? Then think, others have the same access to their servers. Now you have even higher security concerns to deal with in relation to that. If they have firewalls protecting you from the outside. Do they also have firewalls protecting you from other VPSs? If their control panel can't handle most server setup functions then frankly it should. Then ask yourself, if your VPS does go down. Who has to do the rebuild. Do they simply provide a fresh VPS instance and leave you to set everything back up? There's a lot to consider when they offer you enough rope to hang yourself with. I'm not going to sale you on FusionLink here. If you like, I can address you on our options off list. I just want to point out VPS might not be as good of a deal as it seems. John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] 770.337.8363 www.FusionLink.com - ColdFusion and Flex hosting Now offering ColdFusion 8 Enterprise hosting FREE Subversion hosting ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289232 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS
John Mason wrote: Others having access to *their* VPS does not add to the security concerns of *your* VPS. I can't agree with that. There several things to be consider here. How the network is setup, etc. But to say there's no impact is clearly wrong. Regardless of how the network is set up, the strategy for protecting your VPS is very easy and the same: my VPS vs. the rest of the evil world. It doesn't matter if you are directly on the internet, behind a firewall or NAT with port forwarding or whatever, you are behind somebody else so you don't trust them. Then ask yourself, if your VPS does go down. Who has to do the rebuild. Do they simply provide a fresh VPS instance and leave you to set everything back up? And how hard is that? For you maybe not, I would think you have enough experience to be your own sys admin, but others don't have the skills you have. That's the point. How long has Rick been running his own server? Jochem ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289233 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
By kicking the hoster out, do you mean, basically, removing their control panel? I would assume he means removing or disabling all administrative access to his server. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289234 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Rick Faircloth wrote: By kicking the hoster out, do you mean, basically, removing their control panel? Removing all of their logins at every level. That won't ensure that they will not be able to get at your VPS (just snapshot the VPS and hack the duplicate), but it will put a big barrier in front of them accesing your running copy. Jochem ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289235 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Others having access to *their* VPS does not add to the security concerns of *your* VPS. I can't agree with that. There several things to be consider here. How the network is setup, etc. But to say there's no impact is clearly wrong. Jochem wrote that there's no impact with regard to security, and he's clearly right by any meaningful measurement. Having administrative access to one isolated server doesn't gain you any access to a separate isolated server, whether the two servers are physical or virtual. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289236 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
How long has Rick been running his own server? About 8 years, now... Win 2000 Server / CF 4.5 I'm sure the setup could be improved, however, I've been able to successfully host my sites, administer the databases, administer CF, run Win 2000 Server, run the network, make an occasional helpful comment on CF-Talk, and keep my clients happy with their sites and hosting. With that in mind, I feel like I should be able to administer Win 2003 Server and CF 8. What do you think? Rick -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS John Mason wrote: Others having access to *their* VPS does not add to the security concerns of *your* VPS. I can't agree with that. There several things to be consider here. How the network is setup, etc. But to say there's no impact is clearly wrong. Regardless of how the network is set up, the strategy for protecting your VPS is very easy and the same: my VPS vs. the rest of the evil world. It doesn't matter if you are directly on the internet, behind a firewall or NAT with port forwarding or whatever, you are behind somebody else so you don't trust them. Then ask yourself, if your VPS does go down. Who has to do the rebuild. Do they simply provide a fresh VPS instance and leave you to set everything back up? And how hard is that? For you maybe not, I would think you have enough experience to be your own sys admin, but others don't have the skills you have. That's the point. How long has Rick been running his own server? Jochem ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289237 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Not getting emails
nobody knows? Anyone know who I should send an email to if I have not received any of the emails from the list since 9/6/07? I've already tried to unsubscribe and then subscribe again, but that didn't change anything. Thanks! ~Steve ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289238 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Naturally you wouldn't have access to another isolated box but no impact? None? That's amazing. So I could have a VPS box inside (for example, TJ Maxx's network) and the theory is there would be no impact or security concerns for either party? Maybe I'm missing something your saying here, but that doesn't seem right. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS Others having access to *their* VPS does not add to the security concerns of *your* VPS. I can't agree with that. There several things to be consider here. How the network is setup, etc. But to say there's no impact is clearly wrong. Jochem wrote that there's no impact with regard to security, and he's clearly right by any meaningful measurement. Having administrative access to one isolated server doesn't gain you any access to a separate isolated server, whether the two servers are physical or virtual. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finderproductID=1522loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289239 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS
John Mason wrote: Naturally you wouldn't have access to another isolated box but no impact? None? That's amazing. So I could have a VPS box inside (for example, TJ Maxx's network) and the theory is there would be no impact or security concerns for either party? It may impact their security, but not yours. In either case you run your VPS in a network which you must assume is hostile. Jochem ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289240 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Not getting emails
Steve Good wrote: Anyone know who I should send an email to if I have not received any of the emails from the list since 9/6/07? Since everybody else receives your email you are still properly subscribed and the problem is most likely on your end. I would suggest starting with the email administrator of lanctr.com. Jochem ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289241 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Others having access to *their* VPS does not add to the security concerns of *your* VPS. I can't agree with that. There several things to be consider here. How the network is setup, etc. But to say there's no impact is clearly wrong. Jochem wrote that there's no impact with regard to security, and he's clearly right by any meaningful measurement. Having administrative access to one isolated server doesn't gain you any access to a separate isolated server, whether the two servers are physical or virtual. Naturally you wouldn't have access to another isolated box but no impact? None? That's amazing. Yes, you're missing something. We're talking about two isolated servers on a network assumed to be hostile. My having administrative rights on the first server has nothing to do with the security of the second server. So I could have a VPS box inside (for example, TJ Maxx's network) and the theory is there would be no impact or security concerns for either party? Maybe I'm missing something your saying here, but that doesn't seem right. That's a bad analogy. If TJ Maxx provided a hosting service, and we were both customers, their granting me administrative access on my server would have no effect on the security of your server. You are aware that hosting companies provide administrative access to dedicated servers all the time, right? In your opinion, is this a bad thing? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289242 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS
On 9/23/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The choice is between shared hosting for $30 per month or a VPS for $70 per month. Rick, If you don't mind my asking, where are you getting a Win2003/CF8 VPS for $70/month? That seems pretty low to me. ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289243 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Instantiating all objects within Application.cfm
Wow, I had no idea that was the case. So basically, never, ever host anything sensitive on a shared server. On 9/22/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So was I - as long as I know the application name, a CFAPPLICATION tag anywhere on the machine can make any CF code part of your application. There is no folder restriction on this and no way to prevent it. Just set your application name to the empty string and you can see *everyone's* application scopes by dumping yours. That's just how the underlying Java Servlet context works. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289244 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Not getting emails
Steve Good wrote: Anyone know who I should send an email to if I have not received any of the emails from the list since 9/6/07? Since everybody else receives your email you are still properly subscribed and the problem is most likely on your end. I would suggest starting with the email administrator of lanctr.com. Jochem I'm the admin for the domain. So I know that I should still be getting messages. I'll just keep going to the website for updates. thanks for the reply though. ~Steve ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289245 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Instantiating all objects within Application.cfm
Wow, I had no idea that was the case. So basically, never, ever host anything sensitive on a shared server. That has always been the case. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289246 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Right off Michael's HouseofFusion.com's site... and ad for www.AHPHosting.com/vps.htm... The page says $79.99, which is still fine, but when I talked to them, I got a discount code which brings the price down to $69.99 per month. - CF 8 - MS 2003 Enterprise OS - MS II6 - MS .NET 2.x - 5 Static IPs - 10 GB HD Space - 250 GB Monthly Transfer - Remote Desktop Admin - Virtuozzo Power Panel - Nightly Backups - Add, remove, configure your own software - SmarterTools stats service for 5 sites - Shared - 50 POP3 email accounts each up to 5 domains free / unlimited SMTP aliases - Smartermail Enterprise Shared - Unlimited site hosting Sound good? Rick -Original Message- From: Jim Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 4:42 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS On 9/23/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The choice is between shared hosting for $30 per month or a VPS for $70 per month. Rick, If you don't mind my asking, where are you getting a Win2003/CF8 VPS for $70/month? That seems pretty low to me. ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289247 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Not necessarily, but you have to ask yourself if you have the knowledge and experience to properly 'isolate' your VPS for now and in the future. Which I'm not seeing people do. They look at VPS as a deal and leave the decision to that. Then also if you are doing this for a client of yours. Do they understand the responsibilities for the developer and hoster? If the VPS has issues, who do they call? When the developer leaves the picture, who assumes responsibility? There's a lot to consider. The main point is that each choice does indeed have an impact and issues that need to be laid out clearly. John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 4:42 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS Others having access to *their* VPS does not add to the security concerns of *your* VPS. I can't agree with that. There several things to be consider here. How the network is setup, etc. But to say there's no impact is clearly wrong. Jochem wrote that there's no impact with regard to security, and he's clearly right by any meaningful measurement. Having administrative access to one isolated server doesn't gain you any access to a separate isolated server, whether the two servers are physical or virtual. Naturally you wouldn't have access to another isolated box but no impact? None? That's amazing. Yes, you're missing something. We're talking about two isolated servers on a network assumed to be hostile. My having administrative rights on the first server has nothing to do with the security of the second server. So I could have a VPS box inside (for example, TJ Maxx's network) and the theory is there would be no impact or security concerns for either party? Maybe I'm missing something your saying here, but that doesn't seem right. That's a bad analogy. If TJ Maxx provided a hosting service, and we were both customers, their granting me administrative access on my server would have no effect on the security of your server. You are aware that hosting companies provide administrative access to dedicated servers all the time, right? In your opinion, is this a bad thing? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finderproductID=1522loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289248 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Ahphosting (http://ahphosting.net/...which hosts houseoffusion) is pretty good. They charge 70 / month and offer CF8 VPS on Win2003. I belive the HOF site has a link to their VPS offer... Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS Thanks for the feedback, John, it's much appreciated. I had the same thoughts about the cost aspect. I wondered if they're getting a good deal from Adobe to make it feasible or if it just ultimately paid off quickly enough. The control panel you mentioned is either Plesk or HostingController.com. Haven't used either... And the access to the VPS is via Remote Desktop, which I don't see any problem with. The servers for the VPS also run on Raid 5 arrays, which is good in case of hard drive failure. I've been running mine on Raid for backup and uptime, as well. And yes, one of the things I was concerned about was being able to quickly get up to speed on administering CF 8 and having only administered CF 4.5 for about 8 years, and also Win 2003 Server after having only used Win 2000 Server. But I would imagine the basic functions that I get into would be very similar. Also, the VPS company reassured me that I wouldn't be responsible for the basic maintenance of either Win 2003 Server or CF 8, since those are what come with the package. Other software I choose to install, I would need to handle... that would basically just be MySQL, which is no problem, since I've been using it for years. Another aspect of the VPS I like is being able to install particular software or tags that I need. For instance, I've been using CFX_JPG from Efflare for years and most of my sites use it. Granted, the tags in CF8 can probably handle my needs now, but almost all of my current sites are coded for CFX_JPG and I would either likely have to do without it on a shared host and recode all the sites that use it to work without it. It's just hard making the transition from running my own hardware and software to the limitations of outsourced hosting, either shared or VPS. But at least with VPS I have much more control over the system, even rebooting it, which I don't have with shared hosting environment. Rick -Original Message- From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 2:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS The $30 deal seems silly. Why only one database? I personally don't like the VPS options that several of the other hosting companies are now offering as being even remotely reasonable. Here goes my rant on VPS... At $70 per month, they have to be cutting a lot of corners to make that economical. For example, CF Standard costs $1300, it would take over 18 months just to recoup the cost of CF? With server/bandwidth/resources included over 2 years. Either the resources they give you would be seriously limited and/or they have to be overloading the servers to make this profitable. Putting way too many VPSs on one server. Several people here have noted the bad performance from VPS. One other point, is most hosters will give you complete control (basically terminal service access) to the box. Do you really want this? You might be a good programmer, but are you also a solid system administrator? Do you really want to carry that load as well? Then think, others have the same access to their servers. Now you have even higher security concerns to deal with in relation to that. If they have firewalls protecting you from the outside. Do they also have firewalls protecting you from other VPSs? If their control panel can't handle most server setup functions then frankly it should. Then ask yourself, if your VPS does go down. Who has to do the rebuild. Do they simply provide a fresh VPS instance and leave you to set everything back up? There's a lot to consider when they offer you enough rope to hang yourself with. I'm not going to sale you on FusionLink here. If you like, I can address you on our options off list. I just want to point out VPS might not be as good of a deal as it seems. John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] 770.337.8363 www.FusionLink.com - ColdFusion and Flex hosting Now offering ColdFusion 8 Enterprise hosting FREE Subversion hosting ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289249 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: Shared Hosting vs VPS
On 9/23/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wonder if there are any more gotcha's that I haven't considered with shared hosting Your application scope is accessible to anyone else on the same server instance which could be an issue if you put any sensitive data into application scope. Your sites may become unavailable due to someone else's bad code on your server taking down the whole instance. Depending on the hosting company, if someone guesses your datasource name, they have full access to your database (depends on whether the hosting company puts passwords in datasources or not and whether they correctly use sandbox security - assuming they're running enterprise, of course). Since you have several client sites, I would expect the cost of the VPS to be miniscule in comparison to the ongoing income from maintaining those sites? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289250 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
You're right on, Eric... they're actually the ones I've been writing about this whole time... Rick -Original Message- From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS Ahphosting (http://ahphosting.net/...which hosts houseoffusion) is pretty good. They charge 70 / month and offer CF8 VPS on Win2003. I belive the HOF site has a link to their VPS offer... Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS Thanks for the feedback, John, it's much appreciated. I had the same thoughts about the cost aspect. I wondered if they're getting a good deal from Adobe to make it feasible or if it just ultimately paid off quickly enough. The control panel you mentioned is either Plesk or HostingController.com. Haven't used either... And the access to the VPS is via Remote Desktop, which I don't see any problem with. The servers for the VPS also run on Raid 5 arrays, which is good in case of hard drive failure. I've been running mine on Raid for backup and uptime, as well. And yes, one of the things I was concerned about was being able to quickly get up to speed on administering CF 8 and having only administered CF 4.5 for about 8 years, and also Win 2003 Server after having only used Win 2000 Server. But I would imagine the basic functions that I get into would be very similar. Also, the VPS company reassured me that I wouldn't be responsible for the basic maintenance of either Win 2003 Server or CF 8, since those are what come with the package. Other software I choose to install, I would need to handle... that would basically just be MySQL, which is no problem, since I've been using it for years. Another aspect of the VPS I like is being able to install particular software or tags that I need. For instance, I've been using CFX_JPG from Efflare for years and most of my sites use it. Granted, the tags in CF8 can probably handle my needs now, but almost all of my current sites are coded for CFX_JPG and I would either likely have to do without it on a shared host and recode all the sites that use it to work without it. It's just hard making the transition from running my own hardware and software to the limitations of outsourced hosting, either shared or VPS. But at least with VPS I have much more control over the system, even rebooting it, which I don't have with shared hosting environment. Rick -Original Message- From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 2:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS The $30 deal seems silly. Why only one database? I personally don't like the VPS options that several of the other hosting companies are now offering as being even remotely reasonable. Here goes my rant on VPS... At $70 per month, they have to be cutting a lot of corners to make that economical. For example, CF Standard costs $1300, it would take over 18 months just to recoup the cost of CF? With server/bandwidth/resources included over 2 years. Either the resources they give you would be seriously limited and/or they have to be overloading the servers to make this profitable. Putting way too many VPSs on one server. Several people here have noted the bad performance from VPS. One other point, is most hosters will give you complete control (basically terminal service access) to the box. Do you really want this? You might be a good programmer, but are you also a solid system administrator? Do you really want to carry that load as well? Then think, others have the same access to their servers. Now you have even higher security concerns to deal with in relation to that. If they have firewalls protecting you from the outside. Do they also have firewalls protecting you from other VPSs? If their control panel can't handle most server setup functions then frankly it should. Then ask yourself, if your VPS does go down. Who has to do the rebuild. Do they simply provide a fresh VPS instance and leave you to set everything back up? There's a lot to consider when they offer you enough rope to hang yourself with. I'm not going to sale you on FusionLink here. If you like, I can address you on our options off list. I just want to point out VPS might not be as good of a deal as it seems. John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] 770.337.8363 www.FusionLink.com - ColdFusion and Flex hosting Now offering ColdFusion 8 Enterprise hosting FREE Subversion hosting ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289251 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe:
Re: Simple .NET Class
Hi Dale
Check the error.log in the DotNetService installation folder - there may be
more detail in there to assist with trouble-shooting.
Antony
On 9/22/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes same server.
cfobject action=create type=.net name=test class=CfTest
assembly=Test.dll /
I put the Test.dll in the Assembly cache after it didn't work locally even
with full path.
This is as simple as I could make it. I tried it with namespace also.
But both ways get the same error.
public class CfTest
{
public CfTest()
{
}
public int testMethod()
{
int c;
c = 2;
return c;
}
}
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://learncf.com
-Original Message-
From: Antony Sideropoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 22 September 2007 11:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Simple .NET Class
I'm not sure - I'm using local system on my pc and it eventually worked
for
me.
Your dll is on the same server as CF isn't it? Is it a local drive or
mapped?
On 9/22/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All CF services are running as Local System
Should they be something else? Administrator?
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://learncf.com
-Original Message-
From: Antony Sideropoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 21 September 2007 11:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Simple .NET Class
Dale
Are you able to connect to standard Windows dlls?
eg, can you run this snippet:
cfobject type=.NET name=test class=System.Environment
cfdump var=#test#
cfdump var=#test.Get_Version().ToString()# !--- 2.0.50727.1318 on
WinXp
Sp2 for me; 2.0.50727.312 on vista for me ---
also, what account are your CF services running under? permissions okay?
On 9/21/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having same problem on multiple computers.
We must be missing something really obvious I think.
It seems not many people have tried this.
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://learncf.com
-Original Message-
From: Davide Campo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 21 September 2007 1:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Simple .NET Class
Then:
- i haven't .NET stuff installed (what is it?)
- i have only .net 2.0 installed
- i tried to stop cf .net service, delete paste dll, restart cf .net
service,
execute the sample again --- guess what? NOTHING, same error
only one word: help!
tnk u all
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RE: SOT: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Hi, Sean... Yes, the cost is not an issue. I've just never used shared hosting or a VPS and I'm just trying to clearly understand the issues. Seems like VPS is a better way to go, based on the responses. I don't have much concern for being able to handle the setup and maintenance of the system, since I'll still be running my server until I'm comfortable with the new one and all my code is running properly on CF 8. The two big things I've snagged on with shared hosting is the inability to use CFX_JPG on a shared environment... that's going to cause me to have to rewrite a lot of code. Also, at least with CrystalTech, I apparently can have only *one* database, so I've to combine all my databases into one and rename every table. Now, that's a pain... and if I ever want to separate the databases, I've got to go through the process of breaking up the database and renaming all the tables again. I still don't get that part from CrystalTech. Their features list has Datasources/DSNs Unlimited Database Connections Unlimited MySQL 5 800MB (with my plan) Now for the support people to tell me that I can have only one database and that the unlimited part refers to the type of connections doesn't make any sense to me. If that were the case, then why are Datasources/DSN's (which I would think would refer to databases) be listed separately from Database Connections? And, at least in a query, a datasource is typically a database for me. The support person must be correct, however, because I only asked when I tried to add my second database and the control panel warned that additional databases would incur additional charges per month. I would have thought the support person was wrong, if the system hadn't first warned me. I emailed support at that point, and sure enough, support said every additional database was $5 per month. I think that's a little nuts. Maybe I'm missing something. Rick -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Shared Hosting vs VPS On 9/23/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wonder if there are any more gotcha's that I haven't considered with shared hosting Your application scope is accessible to anyone else on the same server instance which could be an issue if you put any sensitive data into application scope. Your sites may become unavailable due to someone else's bad code on your server taking down the whole instance. Depending on the hosting company, if someone guesses your datasource name, they have full access to your database (depends on whether the hosting company puts passwords in datasources or not and whether they correctly use sandbox security - assuming they're running enterprise, of course). Since you have several client sites, I would expect the cost of the VPS to be miniscule in comparison to the ongoing income from maintaining those sites? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289253 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Not necessarily, but you have to ask yourself if you have the knowledge and experience to properly 'isolate' your VPS for now and in the future. All of which is completely irrelevant to the original statement about security made by Jochem. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289254 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Simple .NET Class
A search on the server found no error.log
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://learncf.com
-Original Message-
From: Antony Sideropoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 24 September 2007 10:02 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Simple .NET Class
Hi Dale
Check the error.log in the DotNetService installation folder - there may be
more detail in there to assist with trouble-shooting.
Antony
On 9/22/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes same server.
cfobject action=create type=.net name=test class=CfTest
assembly=Test.dll /
I put the Test.dll in the Assembly cache after it didn't work locally even
with full path.
This is as simple as I could make it. I tried it with namespace also.
But both ways get the same error.
public class CfTest
{
public CfTest()
{
}
public int testMethod()
{
int c;
c = 2;
return c;
}
}
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://learncf.com
-Original Message-
From: Antony Sideropoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 22 September 2007 11:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Simple .NET Class
I'm not sure - I'm using local system on my pc and it eventually worked
for
me.
Your dll is on the same server as CF isn't it? Is it a local drive or
mapped?
On 9/22/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All CF services are running as Local System
Should they be something else? Administrator?
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://learncf.com
-Original Message-
From: Antony Sideropoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 21 September 2007 11:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Simple .NET Class
Dale
Are you able to connect to standard Windows dlls?
eg, can you run this snippet:
cfobject type=.NET name=test class=System.Environment
cfdump var=#test#
cfdump var=#test.Get_Version().ToString()# !--- 2.0.50727.1318 on
WinXp
Sp2 for me; 2.0.50727.312 on vista for me ---
also, what account are your CF services running under? permissions okay?
On 9/21/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having same problem on multiple computers.
We must be missing something really obvious I think.
It seems not many people have tried this.
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://learncf.com
-Original Message-
From: Davide Campo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 21 September 2007 1:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Simple .NET Class
Then:
- i haven't .NET stuff installed (what is it?)
- i have only .net 2.0 installed
- i tried to stop cf .net service, delete paste dll, restart cf .net
service,
execute the sample again --- guess what? NOTHING, same error
only one word: help!
tnk u all
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Re: Numberformat and cfgrid
Ray Camden has blogged about column rendring, maybe you check that out. On 9/21/07, Steve Sequenzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just need to add commas to a grid column that are displaying numbers. I think I need to use numberformat but I am not sure how to use it. Any help would be great. ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289256 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
CF8 .NET HELP!!!
Following on from the Simple .NET example. It just doesn't work.
I've cooked it so many ways, others are having the same problem.
So can some people please try this to see how many people have this problem.
The example was found here.
http://www.mikehuntington.com/techblog/index.php/2007/08/10/my-first-attempt
-at-calling-net-assemblies-with-coldfusion-8/
C# Code here
using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Text;
namespace MathExample
{
public class MathClass
{
public static int Add(int a, int b)
{
return (a + b);
}
}
}
CF Code here
cfobject type=.net name=math class=MathExample.MathClass
assembly=#expandPath('.\MathClass.dll')# /
cfdump var=#test# /
DLL available at http://code.fraser.id.au/MathClass.zip in case you can't
compile C# code.
I (and others) get the exception
ClassName
MathExample.MathClass
Detail
The assembly that contains the class must be provided to the assembly
attribute.
Message
Class MathExample.MathClass not found in the specified assembly list.
And in my dotnet.log
Error,jrpp-1914,09/24/07,10:57:24,,Error in retrieving the
referenced assembly
Error,jrpp-1914,09/24/07,10:57:26,,Aborting proxy generation as no
classes were found in dependent class list. This might mean that the class
MathExample.MathClass was not present in the assembly
So someone needs to be able to answer as to why this is happening?
Regards
Dale Fraser
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Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS
This only applies to CF Enterprise. CF8 Standard has en extra cost per VPS of 2 CPUs. On 9/24/07, jonese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If i'm not mistaken the cost of CF is per 2 physical cpu's, so if you have a dual processor system you spend $1300 then say you throw 4 VPS systems on that box.This means that each VPS is responsible for $325 ( $1300 / 4 ) of the cost of ColdFusion Standard OR $1875 For CF ENT. Span each of these over 4 months and you've got $81.25 a month for Standard and $468.75 for ENT. After the first 4 months it's profit minus other costs. AND treating it like a shared hosting environment, after you've got the license paid off then the next VPS on the box will be $0 CF cost. I know some hosting companies that are planning major VMware roll outs and see this as a very viable alternative to new boxes. I personally would go with the $70 VPS IF you have some sys admin experience or know you'll get good support from the company or other resources. I'm a control freak though and hate shared hosting. jonese On 9/23/07, John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The $30 deal seems silly. Why only one database? I personally don't like the VPS options that several of the other hosting companies are now offering as being even remotely reasonable. Here goes my rant on VPS... At $70 per month, they have to be cutting a lot of corners to make that economical. For example, CF Standard costs $1300, it would take over 18 months just to recoup the cost of CF? With server/bandwidth/resources included over 2 years. Either the resources they give you would be seriously limited and/or they have to be overloading the servers to make this profitable. Putting way too many VPSs on one server. Several people here have noted the bad performance from VPS. One other point, is most hosters will give you complete control (basically terminal service access) to the box. Do you really want this? You might be a good programmer, but are you also a solid system administrator? Do you really want to carry that load as well? Then think, others have the same access to their servers. Now you have even higher security concerns to deal with in relation to that. If they have firewalls protecting you from the outside. Do they also have firewalls protecting you from other VPSs? If their control panel can't handle most server setup functions then frankly it should. Then ask yourself, if your VPS does go down. Who has to do the rebuild. Do they simply provide a fresh VPS instance and leave you to set everything back up? There's a lot to consider when they offer you enough rope to hang yourself with. I'm not going to sale you on FusionLink here. If you like, I can address you on our options off list. I just want to point out VPS might not be as good of a deal as it seems. John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] 770.337.8363 www.FusionLink.com - ColdFusion and Flex hosting Now offering ColdFusion 8 Enterprise hosting FREE Subversion hosting ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289258 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Actually no, there way too many assumptions being made to make that statement. I thought I made that fairly clear. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS Not necessarily, but you have to ask yourself if you have the knowledge and experience to properly 'isolate' your VPS for now and in the future. All of which is completely irrelevant to the original statement about security made by Jochem. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289259 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Creating a Power Point Presentation
Anyone know of a way to get ColdFusion to generate a PowerPoint presentation, it needs to be editable. Was looking for a HTML - PPT or PDF - PPT type option or a server based API etc. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289260 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
Actually no, there way too many assumptions being made to make that statement. I thought I made that fairly clear. No, you haven't. Your assertion alone is insufficient. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289261 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
-Original Message- From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: 23 Sep 07 21:32 Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS Actually no, there way too many assumptions being made to make that statement. I thought I made that fairly clear. No, you haven't. Your assertion alone is insufficient. Rereading my response, I realize it may have been a bit terse. But again, how is this any different from dedicated hosting? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289262 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF8 amp; .NET HELP!!!
I downloaded your DLL and ran it successfully on BlueDragon.NET, including the
following:
cfoutput#math.Add( 2, 2 )#/cfoutput
This at least tells you that your DLL is built properly, and the problem's
somewhere else.
Vince Bonfanti
New Atlanta Communications, LLC
Following on from the Simple .NET example. It just doesn't work.
I've cooked it so many ways, others are having the same problem.
So can some people please try this to see how many people have this problem.
The example was found here.
http://www.mikehuntington.com/techblog/index.php/2007/08/10/my-first-attempt
-at-calling-net-assemblies-with-coldfusion-8/
C# Code here
using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Text;
namespace MathExample
{
public class MathClass
{
public static int Add(int a, int b)
{
return (a + b);
}
}
}
CF Code here
cfobject type=.net name=math class=MathExample.MathClass
assembly=#expandPath('.\MathClass.dll')# /
cfdump var=#test# /
DLL available at http://code.fraser.id.au/MathClass.zip in case you can't
compile C# code.
I (and others) get the exception
ClassName
MathExample.MathClass
Detail
The assembly that contains the class must be provided to the assembly
attribute.
Message
Class MathExample.MathClass not found in the specified assembly list.
And in my dotnet.log
Error,jrpp-1914,09/24/07,10:57:24,,Error in retrieving the
referenced assembly
Error,jrpp-1914,09/24/07,10:57:26,,Aborting proxy generation as no
classes were found in dependent class list. This might mean that the class
MathExample.MathClass was not present in the assembly
So someone needs to be able to answer as to why this is happening?
Regards
Dale Fraser
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RE: CF8 amp; .NET HELP!!!
Thanks Vince.
The problem lies in calling a DLL, and you are right it's not my DLL that's
the problem, just any DLL.
This generates the same error, be interested if others try this and see if
it works, it doesn't even require you to install a dll
cfobject type=.Net name=myObj
class=System.DirectoryServices.DirectoryEntry
assembly=C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\System.DirectoryServ
ices.dll
cfdump var=#myObj#
Regards
Dale Fraser
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-Original Message-
From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 24 September 2007 12:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF8 amp; .NET HELP!!!
I downloaded your DLL and ran it successfully on BlueDragon.NET, including
the following:
cfoutput#math.Add( 2, 2 )#/cfoutput
This at least tells you that your DLL is built properly, and the problem's
somewhere else.
Vince Bonfanti
New Atlanta Communications, LLC
Following on from the Simple .NET example. It just doesn't work.
I've cooked it so many ways, others are having the same problem.
So can some people please try this to see how many people have this
problem.
The example was found here.
http://www.mikehuntington.com/techblog/index.php/2007/08/10/my-first-attemp
t
-at-calling-net-assemblies-with-coldfusion-8/
C# Code here
using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Text;
namespace MathExample
{
public class MathClass
{
public static int Add(int a, int b)
{
return (a + b);
}
}
}
CF Code here
cfobject type=.net name=math class=MathExample.MathClass
assembly=#expandPath('.\MathClass.dll')# /
cfdump var=#test# /
DLL available at http://code.fraser.id.au/MathClass.zip in case you can't
compile C# code.
I (and others) get the exception
ClassName
MathExample.MathClass
Detail
The assembly that contains the class must be provided to the assembly
attribute.
Message
Class MathExample.MathClass not found in the specified assembly list.
And in my dotnet.log
Error,jrpp-1914,09/24/07,10:57:24,,Error in retrieving the
referenced assembly
Error,jrpp-1914,09/24/07,10:57:26,,Aborting proxy generation as no
classes were found in dependent class list. This might mean that the class
MathExample.MathClass was not present in the assembly
So someone needs to be able to answer as to why this is happening?
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://learncf.com
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String validation HELP!!!!
I'm writing code to verify if a string that is entered complies with certain criteria. The criteria are the first four characters must have at least one alphanumeric character and one numeric character and the last 4 digits must have the same. Also, the string cannot have two repeating alphanumeric or numeric characters. ex. 'AA' I've written the first part, but i'm having trouble with the repeating characters. Can anyone point me in the right direction on how I can accomplish this? Thanks ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finderproductID=1522loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289265 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Creating a Power Point Presentation
Dale, We just went throught this same scenario. Take a look at Aspose.Slides. http://www.aspose.com It's a little painful to get running the first time but works extremely well once you get everything figured out. Todd -Original Message- From: Dale Fraser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Creating a Power Point Presentation Anyone know of a way to get ColdFusion to generate a PowerPoint presentation, it needs to be editable. Was looking for a HTML - PPT or PDF - PPT type option or a server based API etc. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289266 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS
No problem, it's late.. There wouldn't be a difference in those two if you provide both with TS access. I think we're in agreement more than not here. It may be a finer point on the TS access, where I think giving people TS access when they don't really need it. They may also not fully understand the responsibilities they are accepting when they do. I didn't like the original statement because it seem too far reaching. Though I do think you should think of any network to be hostile, regardless of the situation. More access points with the full range of services that TS provides than less would naturally, in my mind, mean a more hostile network than not. For example, hosting your VPS at TJ Maxx would be in a less secure environment than at NSA. But you should always assume that you're in the weaker of the two. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: 23 Sep 07 21:32 Subject: RE: Shared Hosting vs VPS Actually no, there way too many assumptions being made to make that statement. I thought I made that fairly clear. No, you haven't. Your assertion alone is insufficient. Rereading my response, I realize it may have been a bit terse. But again, how is this any different from dedicated hosting? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289267 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: Shared Hosting vs VPS
On 9/23/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now for the support people to tell me that I can have only one database and that the unlimited part refers to the type of connections doesn't make any sense to me. If that were the case, then why are Datasources/DSN's (which I would think would refer to databases) be listed separately from Database Connections? And, at least in a query, a datasource is typically a database for me. The unlimited data sources - in the CF Admin - can all refer to a single database. The unlimited database connections (again, in the CF Admin) just means they don't cap concurrent connections between CF and MySQL arbitrarily. You can ensure that different data sources using different credentials only have access to their own tables (within the single database) but, frankly, that's a lot of work for very little benefit in my opinion. I run multiple databases on my localhost setup to avoid name conflicts so I would definitely find it very restrictive to host multiple sites on a single database! Again, I'd lean toward the VPS in this case. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finderproductID=1522loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289268 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Shared Hosting vs VPS
i have 3 vps boxes and they are by far and away better than shared hosting, no if's and's or but's about it. However, coldfusion 8 doesnt seem to run real good on cfm8 vps's. I just got a new cfm8 one and its been real high with recourses compared to cfmx7. That wasn't working out so well so I just got a nice dedicated cfm8 box at HMS and thats the shit!!! It's windows(gag puke) and that sucks but oh well. Aside from that the difference in how the sites function is really noticeable. If security is an issue then think about linux, unless it has Dave Watts magic version of a secure windows then that will always be an issue. You might not be able to afford it but if you can go that route, if you have 8 years worth of sites then you should be able to have them pay for it (unless you're Will in which case in 8 years he might only have 3 clients total). I am charging $30 to host on the ded box which I think is fairly good. Rick... I never thought I'd see the day that you would move past 4.5;)~ next up we'll get ya moved up to windows 98!!! ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289269 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: Shared Hosting vs VPS
first off crystal tech is a joke. unless you want that ever elusive mysql sql server 2000 custom install which they seem to have. They are better than when steve owned it but every client i get that is there and i gotta call their support is a complete waste of time, you might as well call mother theresa at least that way you can at least prayer for a correct answer. second, some of your image tags might be cause for concern, when i moved everyone to cf8 all my imagecfc pages barfed but replacing them took about 20 seconds each so it wasnt so bad. And you probably don't have may java interfering tags on 4.5. Also a vps server lets you have more db's, well if you use say mysql.. you can just install it and make all you want but of course it would be better to spend another $30 a month on a dedicated db vps. And buying a copy of cf8 wouldnt hurt either, you can get it in the price but it only takes a year of renting it to be on par with what you can buy it for, i am about ready to do that myself. Hi, Sean... Yes, the cost is not an issue. I've just never used shared hosting or a VPS and I'm just trying to clearly understand the issues. Seems like VPS is a better way to go, based on the responses. I don't have much concern for being able to handle the setup and maintenance of the system, since I'll still be running my server until I'm comfortable with the new one and all my code is running properly on CF 8. The two big things I've snagged on with shared hosting is the inability to use CFX_JPG on a shared environment... that's going to cause me to have to rewrite a lot of code. Also, at least with CrystalTech, I apparently can have only *one* database, so I've to combine all my databases into one and rename every table. Now, that's a pain... and if I ever want to separate the databases, I've got to go through the process of breaking up the database and renaming all the tables again. I still don't get that part from CrystalTech. Their features list has Datasources/DSNs Unlimited Database Connections Unlimited MySQL 5 800MB (with my plan) Now for the support people to tell me that I can have only one database and that the unlimited part refers to the type of connections doesn't make any sense to me. If that were the case, then why are Datasources/DSN's (which I would think would refer to databases) be listed separately from Database Connections? And, at least in a query, a datasource is typically a database for me. The support person must be correct, however, because I only asked when I tried to add my second database and the control panel warned that additional databases would incur additional charges per month. I would have thought the support person was wrong, if the system hadn't first warned me. I emailed support at that point, and sure enough, support said every additional database was $5 per month. I think that's a little nuts. Maybe I'm missing something. Rick I just wonder if there are any more gotcha's that I haven't considered with shared hosting Your application scope is accessible to anyone else on the same server instance which could be an issue if you put any sensitive data into application scope. Your sites may become unavailable due to someone else's bad code on your server taking down the whole instance. Depending on the hosting company, if someone guesses your datasource name, they have full access to your database (depends on whether the hosting company puts passwords in datasources or not and whether they correctly use sandbox security - assuming they're running enterprise, of course). Since you have several client sites, I would expect the cost of the VPS to be miniscule in comparison to the ongoing income from maintaining those sites? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289270 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
