Re: Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
Hi guys, just came in this morning. thanks for the responses will try out the suggested code and get back to you. I'm on CF9/Fusebox 5.5 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342189 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
Thanks Matt your suggestion worked. cfset session.myvariable = duplicate(form) / cflocation url=foo.cfm / Odd this is the first time I've encountered this specific behaviour in Coldfusion. Thanks a byunch was spinning my wheels on this. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342190 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Data source continues working after user id revoked
We had something weird happen. We're running CF 9.0.1 in a load balanced setting with two servers. The password for one of our data sources was changed so that the passwords in the data sources on the two servers no longer were valid. The data source on one server promptly stopped working with a user id revoked error because of the 'bad' password. But the data source on the other server kept working for several hours until sometime after close of business for that day. In the morning the data source was broken on both servers with the user id revoked error. Does it sound reasonable that the server that continued to be able to use the data source after the user id had been revoked was able to do so because it was kept open in the cache as long as someone was using it within the maintain connections timeout window? And that it was able to do so until the timeout window expired at some point with no further requests for the data source? Thanks! George ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342191 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Data source continues working after user id revoked
That makes sense to me one server reinitiated the connection login sequence (and of course failed) while the other server kept right on using the connections it had in the pool. You could probably circumvent this by turning off pooling (maintain connections in the admin). Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG (402) 408-3733 ext 105 Skype: markakruger www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Earl, George [mailto:george.e...@ssa.gov] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 8:54 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Data source continues working after user id revoked We had something weird happen. We're running CF 9.0.1 in a load balanced setting with two servers. The password for one of our data sources was changed so that the passwords in the data sources on the two servers no longer were valid. The data source on one server promptly stopped working with a user id revoked error because of the 'bad' password. But the data source on the other server kept working for several hours until sometime after close of business for that day. In the morning the data source was broken on both servers with the user id revoked error. Does it sound reasonable that the server that continued to be able to use the data source after the user id had been revoked was able to do so because it was kept open in the cache as long as someone was using it within the maintain connections timeout window? And that it was able to do so until the timeout window expired at some point with no further requests for the data source? Thanks! George ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342192 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SQL selecting distinct items by date?
You could add the fields you need to your query then do a GROUP on the CFOUTPUT. That will then be able to weed through the duplicates caused by differences in the data. Also could/should eliminate the need to add queries within your loop. On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:21 PM, wabba must...@wabba.net wrote: Here's what I ended up with SELECT distinct TOP 5 pc.nCategoryID, c.sCategory, YEAR(p.dPartDate) AS theyear, MONTH(p.dPartDate) AS themonth, DAY(p.dPartDate) AS theday FROM Category c INNER JOIN PartCat pc ON pc.nCategoryID=c.nCategoryID inner join part p on pc.npartid=p.npartid order by theyear DESC, themonth desc, theday desc Adding any part-specific fields to the select list results in duplicate CategoryIDs, and I don't fully understand why the DISTINCT can't remain exclusive to the CategoryID field, but so far I think it'll do what's needed. The results can be looped over to get more detail which means subqueries, but it functions. Combining TOP and DISTINCT with GROUP/ORDER remains somewhat uncertain... -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 10:55 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: SQL selecting distinct items by date? SELECT TOP 5 DISTINCT pivot.CategoryID, Category.Name, YEAR(Item.DateAdded) AS theyear, MONTH(Item.DateAdded) AS themonth, DAY(Item.DateAdded) AS theday On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:51 PM, wabba must...@wabba.net wrote: More on SQL-topic than CF (MS SQL), but hopefully is an easy one. I have items with a datetime field that stores when the items are added to the DB. There is a pivot table that links items to categories. I'm trying to pull out the top 5 unique categories with the newest-added items. This is what I'm trying to do even though the syntax doesn't work: SELECT TOP 5 DISTINCT pivot.CategoryID, Category.Name, Item.DateAdded FROM Category INNER JOIN pivot ON Category.CategoryID = pivot.CategoryID INNER JOIN Item ON pivot.ItemID = Item.ItemID ORDER BY Item.DateAdded DESC I can get close, but the DateAdded fields are always unique (sometimes only seconds apart, but unique) so no matter what I do it always thinks the result records are unique and won't give me unique CategoryIDs. Ideas? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342193 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Database connection cross over
It turns out there was a couple of new reports written that had USE Banana in the query. With that and Maintain connections across client requests enabled in the CF Admin, we were magically swapping what the DSN pointed to. Thanks again for the help. -Matt Is the problem random or reproducible? Random, but when it happens, it seems to stay that way for a while. A CF service restart will correct it for a while. This behavior is consistent with a connection in the database connection pool switching active databases. There might be one seldom-used query in the site that does it. If the dev server is used by multiple people, the switch could be caused by another developer using SQL that is not present in the Web site. Instead of restarting the entire CF service, you could kill the database connection pool in cf admin, which should be a quicker temporary fix, assuming this is the problem. The way I would approach this problem is to do some site-wide searches for suspect code, including any stored procedures that might be used. Following that, send an E-mail to all developers who might be using those databases to be on the lookout for use [database] SQL. Following that, run a SQL trace to try to capture the event occurring, which should reveal enough details about the user account, application name, and the exact SQL that is run, to identify where the source of the problem is. -Mike Chabot ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342194 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Create REST based web services?
So I dont mean to sound dense, but nearly all of the Google searches I did on creating REST web services with coldfusion have turned up next to nothing. I found a couple for consuming but not publishing. Thanks, tom Absolutely. It's perfect for it. Just google it and you should see a heap of tutorials. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342195 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Create REST based web services?
Did you read this by Ben? http://www.bennadel.com/blog/1990-Building-A-Twitter-Inspired-RESTful-API-Architecture-In-ColdFusion.htm Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Feb 14, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Tom Jones wrote: So I dont mean to sound dense, but nearly all of the Google searches I did on creating REST web services with coldfusion have turned up next to nothing. I found a couple for consuming but not publishing. Thanks, tom Absolutely. It's perfect for it. Just google it and you should see a heap of tutorials. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342196 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Create REST based web services?
OR... http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chromeie=UTF-8q=ben+nadel+Rest#hl=ensugexp=ldymlsxhr=tq=ColdFusion+REST+APIcp=16qe=Q29sZEZ1c2lvbiBSRVNUIAqesig=6sbAvuMPsTmxuKp6cborzgpkc=AFgZ2tkFhrrfnDJNYpwabiObBVbG-7zF07zB_EN5I7ZMtA-Lr4mF3x-FxI3kAQrVBoS-DzHJSQiad7xt8wZ-sdiicyzPnCTygApf=psclient=psyaq=0aqi=aql=oq=ColdFusion+REST+pbx=1fp=12215438092b62bc The Number 10 item from the top. http://fusiongrokker.com/post/taffy-a-restful-framework-for-coldfusion Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On Feb 14, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Tom Jones wrote: So I dont mean to sound dense, but nearly all of the Google searches I did on creating REST web services with coldfusion have turned up next to nothing. I found a couple for consuming but not publishing. Thanks, tom Absolutely. It's perfect for it. Just google it and you should see a heap of tutorials. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342197 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
Cool beans. Always glad to help. Thanks for reporting back. :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342198 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Change in ColdFusion management
In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was announced late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns or not, it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on this. Here a the blog posts to look at... Adam's announcement http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion My reaction http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water -there are comments that add additional problems to this move Brian Meloche's reaction http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era John ma...@fusionlink.com twitter: john_mason_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342199 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SQL selecting distinct items by date?
Sorry I am a little late in the reply on this one, but did you try using the MAX function. SELECT DISTINCT TOP 5 pivot.CategoryID, Category.Name, MAX(Item.DateAdded) FROM Category INNER JOIN pivot ON Category.CategoryID = pivot.CategoryID INNER JOIN Item ON pivot.ItemID = Item.ItemID GROUP BY pivot.CategoryID, Category.Name ORDER BY MAX(Item.DateAdded) DESC ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342200 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Regex help needed
I am having an issue creating a regex to strip out the XML content that Word 2007 is adding our HTML editor. we are using TINYMEC and when one of our client upgraded recently it has created a large number of issues. what we need to do is to pull out the flowing content. it starts with !--[if gte mso 9]xmlbr/b w:WordDocumentbr/b Ends with ![endif]-- there is about 1000 chars between the nodes and sometimes there are muliple set of nodes with the same IF and endif I was trying to create a regex to strip out this content - everything from the begining to the end (I want NONE of it). if anyone has any other suggestion we are all ears here. Thanks - I am just not great at this regex stuff and can not get the correct statement. Matt ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342201 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Anyone have Adam's announcement? I keep trying to access it and get a blank page. Thanks, William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was announced late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns or not, it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on this. Here a the blog posts to look at... Adam's announcement http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion My reaction http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water -there are comments that add additional problems to this move Brian Meloche's reaction http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era John ma...@fusionlink.com twitter: john_mason_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342202 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Change in ColdFusion management
It's cached by Google.. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3G9LdiSkodEJ:www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion+http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusioncd=1hl=enct=clnkgl=usclient=safarisource=www.google.com - Original Message - From: William Seiter [mailto:will...@seiter.com] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:08:14 + (GMT) Subject: Re: Change in ColdFusion management Anyone have Adam's announcement? I keep trying to access it and get a blank page. Thanks, William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was announced late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns or not, it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on this. Here a the blog posts to look at... Adam's announcement http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion My reaction http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water -there are comments that add additional problems to this move Brian Meloche's reaction http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era John ma...@fusionlink.com twitter: john_mason_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342203 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Change in ColdFusion management
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3G9LdiSkodEJ:www.adrock naphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion+http://www.adrocknaphobia .comcd=4hl=enct=clnkgl=insource=www.google.co.in Google :) -Original Message- From: William Seiter [mailto:will...@seiter.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:38 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Change in ColdFusion management Anyone have Adam's announcement? I keep trying to access it and get a blank page. Thanks, William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was announced late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns or not, it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on this. Here a the blog posts to look at... Adam's announcement http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion My reaction http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in -boiling-water -there are comments that add additional problems to this move Brian Meloche's reaction http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era John ma...@fusionlink.com twitter: john_mason_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342204 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Anyone have Adam's announcement? Google cache to the rescue. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3G9LdiSkodEJ:www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion+http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusioncd=1hl=enct=clnkgl=ussource=www.google.com And while I am at it. Not this again. Me-- Face palm. G! On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:08 PM, William Seiter will...@seiter.com wrote: Anyone have Adam's announcement? I keep trying to access it and get a blank page. Thanks, William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was announced late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns or not, it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on this. Here a the blog posts to look at... Adam's announcement http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion My reaction http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water -therehttp://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water%0A-thereare comments that add additional problems to this move Brian Meloche's reaction http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era John ma...@fusionlink.com twitter: john_mason_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342205 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Change in ColdFusion management
I think it's great. I've felt for years that Adobe wasn't giving CF the attention it deserved. Adam's post confirms that I was right. And even better is that it seems that's changing. Long live CF. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:46 PM, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was announced late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns or not, it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on this. Here a the blog posts to look at... Adam's announcement http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion My reaction http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water -there are comments that add additional problems to this move Brian Meloche's reaction http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era John ma...@fusionlink.com twitter: john_mason_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342206 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Regex help needed
FYI I figure it out was simple once you looked at the content. since it is all in commented tags ReReplaceNoCase(str,!--(.*?)--, , ALL); Just incase anyone else has this issue. I am having an issue creating a regex to strip out the XML content that Word 2007 is adding our HTML editor. we are using TINYMEC and when one of our client upgraded recently it has created a large number of issues. what we need to do is to pull out the flowing content. it starts with !--[if gte mso 9]xmlbr/b w:WordDocumentbr/b Ends with ![endif]-- there is about 1000 chars between the nodes and sometimes there are muliple set of nodes with the same IF and endif I was trying to create a regex to strip out this content - everything from the begining to the end (I want NONE of it). if anyone has any other suggestion we are all ears here. Thanks - I am just not great at this regex stuff and can not get the correct statement. Matt ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342207 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Got it, thanks everyone for the google cache link... must be a bad brain day monday for me ;) William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: It's cached by Google.. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3G9LdiSkodEJ:www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion+http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusioncd=1hl=enct=clnkgl=usclient=safarisource=www.google.com - Original Message - From: William Seiter [mailto:will...@seiter.com] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:08:14 + (GMT) Subject: Re: Change in ColdFusion management Anyone have Adam's announcement? I keep trying to access it and get a blank page. Thanks, William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was announced late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns or not, it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on this. Here a the blog posts to look at... Adam's announcement http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion My reaction http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water -there are comments that add additional problems to this move Brian Meloche's reaction http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era John ma...@fusionlink.com twitter: john_mason_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342208 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
cffile error
Having a terrible time figuring out why I am getting this error. The code works locally and on another site remotely. I put together a very quick screencast to make it easier and quicker to understand the problem. It is only a little over two minutes long. The screencast can be found here (it is a cffile error.don't know why I typed cfform when I named the screencast): http://www.brooklinehistoric.com/screencasts/cfformerror/cfformerror.html It is only about two minutes long.thanks for any and all help. mark ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342209 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: cfx_pwtextcrypt CF9
Thanks for the 'check the docs' response. Why don't you check the docs and tell me how to generate a public/private key pair with RSA encryption and do decryption/encryption with this key pair? And then once you actually know that the docs contain something relevant to my request you can re-post your comment and I'll eat my words. You should really know what you talking about before you go spouting read the docs. Brook -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Battershall [mailto:jbattersh...@gmail.com] Sent: February-13-11 6:57 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: cfx_pwtextcrypt CF9 Check the CF9 docs. There's quite a bit of encryption/decryption support built in to CF8/9. You might have transition issues to work through, but you shouldn't need a CFX for that purpose at this point. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Brook Davies cft...@logiforms.com wrote: We've been using cfx_pwtextcrypt since 2002, its worked fine on all CF versions right up to CF8. However, it looks like on the 64 Bit CF9, it no longer works. I assume it's a COM related issue. Does anyone know for sure? The tag was able to generate a public/private key pair using RSA 512 bit encryption and subsequently perform encryption/decryption using the keys generated. Does anyone know if there is a way to do this with CF9 without this CFX? Brook D. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342210 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: cfx_pwtextcrypt CF9
Brooke, Excuse me if this is a blind alley but the CF 8 docs state: ColdFusion 8: Added support for encryption using the RSA BSafe Crypto-J library on Enterprise Edition. Perhaps you're not running CF Enterprise and possibly this is not relevant to your needs. I offer this in the spirit of help. Jeff On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Brook Davies cft...@logiforms.com wrote: Thanks for the 'check the docs' response. Why don't you check the docs and tell me how to generate a public/private key pair with RSA encryption and do decryption/encryption with this key pair? And then once you actually know that the docs contain something relevant to my request you can re-post your comment and I'll eat my words. You should really know what you talking about before you go spouting read the docs. Brook -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Battershall [mailto:jbattersh...@gmail.com] Sent: February-13-11 6:57 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: cfx_pwtextcrypt CF9 Check the CF9 docs. There's quite a bit of encryption/decryption support built in to CF8/9. You might have transition issues to work through, but you shouldn't need a CFX for that purpose at this point. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Brook Davies cft...@logiforms.com wrote: We've been using cfx_pwtextcrypt since 2002, its worked fine on all CF versions right up to CF8. However, it looks like on the 64 Bit CF9, it no longer works. I assume it's a COM related issue. Does anyone know for sure? The tag was able to generate a public/private key pair using RSA 512 bit encryption and subsequently perform encryption/decryption using the keys generated. Does anyone know if there is a way to do this with CF9 without this CFX? Brook D. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342211 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: cfx_pwtextcrypt CF9
If it's any help Brookelook for CFENCRYPT...and sorry...but do read the docs...they are fairly clear and state more than I can here. I used to use a tag for this kind of stuff call CF-CRYPT. I recently looked under the hood and found it used CFENCRYPT/CFDECRYPT (but the old way before we could pick which crypto library etc.). I re-wrote the tag to use better encryption and it was thanks to the docs (which I would rarely say as I feel most docs are lean and nebulous at best). The bit that threw me was having to use the generateSecretKey() function to come up with the key to use that is specific to the encryption algorithm you decide to work with. Previously I was just able to use any string as an encyption key, but with stronger crypto comes fancier keys ;-) HTH Cheers On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 12:56 -0800, Brook Davies wrote: Thanks for the 'check the docs' response. Why don't you check the docs and tell me how to generate a public/private key pair with RSA encryption and do decryption/encryption with this key pair? And then once you actually know that the docs contain something relevant to my request you can re-post your comment and I'll eat my words. You should really know what you talking about before you go spouting read the docs. Brook -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Battershall [mailto:jbattersh...@gmail.com] Sent: February-13-11 6:57 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: cfx_pwtextcrypt CF9 Check the CF9 docs. There's quite a bit of encryption/decryption support built in to CF8/9. You might have transition issues to work through, but you shouldn't need a CFX for that purpose at this point. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Brook Davies cft...@logiforms.com wrote: We've been using cfx_pwtextcrypt since 2002, its worked fine on all CF versions right up to CF8. However, it looks like on the 64 Bit CF9, it no longer works. I assume it's a COM related issue. Does anyone know for sure? The tag was able to generate a public/private key pair using RSA 512 bit encryption and subsequently perform encryption/decryption using the keys generated. Does anyone know if there is a way to do this with CF9 without this CFX? Brook D. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342212 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Big XML files processing Really s-l-o-w. Solution?
My question is how do I reduce processing time... is there anything I
could be doing better?
I am tasked with doing an import on a file whose size can essentially
be unlimited. We've been able to handle in the 10-15mb range but it
recently ballooned to 100 mb, and its going to get larger. Processing
time seems to be about 66 hours for a 45 mb file and thats a disaster.
For a 14mb file its about 90 minutes.
Whats happening is this: CF is looping over a very large number of
records that are in themselves fairly complex. The more records there
are, the longer the loop over them takes. More records + more time
per record = a seemingly geometric increase in processing time.
The file is read in like so.
!---
read the imported file
---
cflock
name=mates_import
type=EXCLUSIVE
timeout=10
cffile
action=READ
file=#variables.mates.srcFile#
variable=x
/cflock
cfset x =
replaceNoCase(x,StateOrProvinceCountrySub-DivisionID,StateProvince,ALL)
!---
turn the file into a coldfusion xml object
---
cfset x=ltrim(trim(x))
cfset x=XMLParse(x)
The above takes only a few seconds. No problem there.
Next I have to read in some header info
cfscript:
header.logicalID=x.processvehicleremarketing.applicationarea.sender.logicalID.xmltext;
header.taskID=x.processvehicleremarketing.applicationarea.sender.taskID.xmltext;
header.BODID=x.processvehicleremarketing.applicationarea.BODID.xmltext;
header.created=x.processvehicleremarketing.applicationarea.CreationDateTime.xmltext;
// ...
// and here comes the node with all of the line items in it I'll have
to loop over. This is where all of the speed issues have been traced
to:
variables.mates.boatArrayLen=arrayLen(x.processvehicleremarketing.ProcessVehicleRemarketingDataArea.VehicleRemarketing);
/cfscript
knowing the array length I can use CFLOOP to look over it and pull
data in where it is then stored in a db.
cfloop
from=1
to=#variables.mates.boatArrayLen#
index=i
cfscript
listings_mates.inHouseListingNumber=M-
x.processVehicleRemarketing.processVehicleRemarketingDataArea.vehicleRemarketing[i].vehicleRemarketingHeader.documentIdentificationGroup.documentIdentification.documentID.xmltext;
listings_mates.price=x.processVehicleRemarketing.processVehicleRemarketingDataArea.vehicleRemarketing[i].vehicleRemarketingBoatLineItem.pricingABIE.price.chargeAmount.xmltext;
listings_mates.currency=x.processVehicleRemarketing.processVehicleRemarketingDataArea.vehicleRemarketing[i].vehicleRemarketingBoatLineItem.pricingABIE.price.chargeAmount.xmlAttributes.currencyID;
// there can be more than one of these items so run a loop inside
of the loop
variables.mates.engineArrayLen=arrayLen(x.processVehicleRemarketing.processVehicleRemarketingDataArea.vehicleRemarketing[i].vehicleRemarketingBoatLineItem.VehicleRemarketingEngineLineItem);
ii=0;
do {
ii=ii+1;
listings_mates.engineDesc=x.processVehicleRemarketing.processVehicleRemarketingDataArea.vehicleRemarketing[i].vehicleRemarketingBoatLineItem.VehicleRemarketingEngineLineItem[ii].VehicleRemarketingEngine.modelDescription.xmltext;
listings_mates.engHrs=x.processVehicleRemarketing.processVehicleRemarketingDataArea.vehicleRemarketing[i].vehicleRemarketingBoatLineItem.VehicleRemarketingEngineLineItem[ii].VehicleRemarketingEngine.totalEngineHoursNumeric.xmltext;
} while (ii LTE variables.mates.engineArrayLen);
...
/cfscript
...
/cfloop
And so on. A hundred or so fields and a dozen or so loops inside the
main loop, along with a loop or two inside of those. So the very long
variable names get even longer.
As you can see I am pouring the data into a struct, and when done, I
insert it as a db record.
Anyone see a mistake in my methods? Would things speed up if, before
I read it into an xml object, I ran a replace() or three to shorten up
some of those names?
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Re: Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
I'll believe it [Adobe's renewed commitment] when I see it. And, apparently, that won't be a for a long time. For now, put me on the list of skeptics. On Feb 14, 2011 1:53pm, William Seiter will...@seiter.com wrote: Got it, thanks everyone for the google cache link... must be a bad brain day monday for me ;) William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: It's cached by Google.. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3G9LdiSkodEJ:www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion+http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusioncd=1hl=enct=clnkgl=usclient=safarisource=www.google.com - Original Message - From: William Seiter [mailto:will...@seiter.com] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:08:14 + (GMT) Subject: Re: Change in ColdFusion management Anyone have Adam's announcement? I keep trying to access it and get a blank page. Thanks, William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was announced late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns or not, it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on this. Here a the blog posts to look at... Adam's announcement http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion My reaction -there target=_blankhttp://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water -there are comments that add additional problems to this move Brian Meloche's reaction http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era John ma...@fusionlink.com twitter: john_mason_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342214 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Big XML files processing Really s-l-o-w. Solution?
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Matt Robertson websitema...@gmail.comwrote: My question is how do I reduce processing time... is there anything I could be doing better? I am tasked with doing an import on a file whose size can essentially be unlimited. We've been able to handle in the 10-15mb range but it recently ballooned to 100 mb, and its going to get larger. Processing time seems to be about 66 hours for a 45 mb file and thats a disaster. For a 14mb file its about 90 minutes. Whats happening is this: CF is looping over a very large number of records that are in themselves fairly complex. The more records there are, the longer the loop over them takes. More records + more time per record = a seemingly geometric increase in processing time. Are you using MS SQL 2005? Because throwing the XML file directly at SQL server works a 1000% better. I've basically given up on processing large XML files directly with coldfusion. IF you can save these xml files on the SQL server you can make use of BulkInsert but that needs to read the file from that server. OR just setup a stored procedure, send your xml over and let it do it's thing. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms345117%28v=SQL.90%29.aspx ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342215 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Big XML files processing Really s-l-o-w. Solution?
Either that, or start looking at something like StaX - http://stax.codehaus.org/Home Pulling that large a file in memory is going to suck a lot, no matter what you do. Mark On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Casey Dougall ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Matt Robertson websitema...@gmail.comwrote: My question is how do I reduce processing time... is there anything I could be doing better? I am tasked with doing an import on a file whose size can essentially be unlimited. We've been able to handle in the 10-15mb range but it recently ballooned to 100 mb, and its going to get larger. Processing time seems to be about 66 hours for a 45 mb file and thats a disaster. For a 14mb file its about 90 minutes. Whats happening is this: CF is looping over a very large number of records that are in themselves fairly complex. The more records there are, the longer the loop over them takes. More records + more time per record = a seemingly geometric increase in processing time. Are you using MS SQL 2005? Because throwing the XML file directly at SQL server works a 1000% better. I've basically given up on processing large XML files directly with coldfusion. IF you can save these xml files on the SQL server you can make use of BulkInsert but that needs to read the file from that server. OR just setup a stored procedure, send your xml over and let it do it's thing. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms345117%28v=SQL.90%29.aspx ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342216 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
trying to consume webservice w/CF - http header problem
All, I'm trying to consume a document-literal webservice by posting a soap request with cfhttp but I keep getting an error that basically says X-Backside-Transport: FAIL FAIL Connection: close illegal character 'B' at offset 0 However, when I use soapUI to submit the exact same request it works and I get a good response. So I figured the only difference between the two requests would be the http request header parameters. I used wireshark to see differences between the http header that is generated by cfhttp and the header generated by soapUI and adjusted cfhttp accordingly but it still isn't working. Any ideas what I could be missing? Thanks so much, Caroline Wise ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342217 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Big XML files processing Really s-l-o-w. Solution?
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: Either that, or start looking at something like StaX - http://stax.codehaus.org/Home Pulling that large a file in memory is going to suck a lot, no matter what you do. Mark yeah, I don't know, still seems better equipped for SQL server if you can do it there. cfstoredproc procedure=spBIG_XML_Insert datasource=#request.DataSource# returncode=Yes cfprocparam type=In cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR variable=mydoc value=#r.SXMLRESPONSE# /cfstoredproc And then the trimmed down Stored Procedure ALTER PROCEDURE [dbo].[spBIG_XML_Insert] @mydoc xml, AS declare @hdoc int -- Create an internal representation of the XML document. EXEC sp_xml_preparedocument @hdoc OUTPUT, @mydoc, 'soap:Envelope xmlns:xsi=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; xmlns:xsd=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema; xmlns:soap=http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/; xmlns:c=urn:Scores/Services/v2/ScoresUpdate /' -- Now do the insert INSERT INTO tblScoreUpdates SELECT MemberID = x.MemberID, ReportDate= x.ReportDate, Score = x.Score, DateAdded = GetDate() FROM OPENXML (@hdoc, 'soap:Envelope/soap:Body/c:LatestScoresResponse/c:parameters/c:Scores',2) WITH ( MemberID varchar(10) '@MemberID', ReportDate varchar(25) '@ReportDate', Scoreint '@Score') as x WHERE x.MemberID NOT IN (SELECT t.MemberID FROM tblScoreUpdates t With (NoLock) WHERE t.MemberID= x.MemberID) ; --Do another query here if you want, --remove the document from memory EXEC sp_xml_removedocument @hDoc And if you needed something from a level up... just dot notation back to it. LogID = int '../@LogID which would grab the logID from Parameters... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342218 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Were you ever 'off' the list of skeptics? -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, jqdur...@gmail.com wrote: I'll believe it [Adobe's renewed commitment] when I see it. And, apparently, that won't be a for a long time. For now, put me on the list of skeptics. On Feb 14, 2011 1:53pm, William Seiter will...@seiter.com wrote: Got it, thanks everyone for the google cache link... must be a bad brain day monday for me ;) William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: It's cached by Google.. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3G9LdiSkodEJ:www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion+http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusioncd=1hl=enct=clnkgl=usclient=safarisource=www.google.com - Original Message - From: William Seiter [mailto:will...@seiter.com] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:08:14 + (GMT) Subject: Re: Change in ColdFusion management Anyone have Adam's announcement? I keep trying to access it and get a blank page. Thanks, William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was announced late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns or not, it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on this. Here a the blog posts to look at... Adam's announcement http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion My reaction -there target=_blankhttp://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water -there are comments that add additional problems to this move Brian Meloche's reaction http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era John ma...@fusionlink.com twitter: john_mason_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342219 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Big XML files processing Really s-l-o-w. Solution?
Client is running mySQL, But a SQL Server could probably be arranged if we have to. Kind of a painful investment for them, though. I was kind of hoping you guys would find a bonehead mistake that would magically clear this up. I'm out of CF-based ideas. Speaking of which, I tried shortening those var names with some replace() statements and it had zero effect. Didn't expect it would but wanted to throw it up against the wall. Damn shame I can't drop to java and do a line-by-line read like I do with CSV files :-( -- --m@Robertson-- Janitor, The Robertson Team mysecretbase.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342220 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Big XML files processing Really s-l-o-w. Solution?
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Mark Mandel wrote: Either that, or start looking at something like StaX - http://stax.codehaus.org/Home thx for the tip on Stax but it frankly looks a bit out of my league for this project. -- --m@Robertson-- Janitor, The Robertson Team mysecretbase.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342221 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Big XML files processing Really s-l-o-w. Solution?
you can make use of BulkInsert +1. I love love love bulkinsert. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:34 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Big XML files processing Really s-l-o-w. Solution?
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Matt Robertson websitema...@gmail.comwrote: Client is running mySQL, But a SQL Server could probably be arranged if we have to. Kind of a painful investment for them, though. Well seems there is support for this in mysql as well but examples use something simular to BulkInsert where the xml file is on the MySql Server. http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/xml-in-mysql5.1-6.0.html ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342223 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Painting a target on your back there John :-) Unfortunately having an opinion that is not 100% positive about CF or Adobe brings out the worst Trolls who really have nothing constructive to add and just get their rocks off by making rude and obnoxious comments, which is simply not called for and really some people should know better and be more mature. I agree with your concerns and can understand where they come from, but I also think that perhaps you are being overly pessimistic and assuming the worst. I can understand why anyone would assume the worst about outsourcing to India, it has a bad rep and most people who have had to deal with outsourced support will have been driven to tearing their hair out at some point. But as has been said, this is not really outsourcing as Adobe have offices and staff there and have had for a long time. Your suggestions for improvements however are fair and seems like they would be beneficial regardless of whether you consider this to be FUD or not. Best of luck with the the oncoming flotsam. Russ. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:53 PM, William Seiter will...@seiter.com wrote: Got it, thanks everyone for the google cache link... must be a bad brain day monday for me ;) William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: It's cached by Google.. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3G9LdiSkodEJ:www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion+http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusioncd=1hl=enct=clnkgl=usclient=safarisource=www.google.com - Original Message - From: William Seiter [mailto:will...@seiter.com] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:08:14 + (GMT) Subject: Re: Change in ColdFusion management Anyone have Adam's announcement? I keep trying to access it and get a blank page. Thanks, William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was announced late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns or not, it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on this. Here a the blog posts to look at... Adam's announcement http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion My reaction http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water -there are comments that add additional problems to this move Brian Meloche's reaction http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era John ma...@fusionlink.com twitter: john_mason_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342224 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Big XML files processing Really s-l-o-w. Solution?
When in doubt, ask Ben Nadel(or check his blog)... Words to live by I had the same issue, huge variable XML file, lots of variations, had a hell of a time making it work in SQL Server due to the complexity Used this, works amazingly well, all things considered, executes very quickly http://www.bennadel.com/blog/1345-Ask-Ben-Parsing-Very-Large-XML-Documents-In-ColdFusion.htm =] On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Casey Dougall ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Matt Robertson websitema...@gmail.com wrote: Client is running mySQL, But a SQL Server could probably be arranged if we have to. Kind of a painful investment for them, though. Well seems there is support for this in mysql as well but examples use something simular to BulkInsert where the xml file is on the MySql Server. http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/xml-in-mysql5.1-6.0.html ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342225 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Big XML files processing Really s-l-o-w. Solution?
Processing the XML with Java rather than CFML will speed things up. check riaforge.org or cflib.org and the adobe exchange, somewhere there is a XML parser that does just this and may give you the boost you want. Russ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Casey Dougall ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Matt Robertson websitema...@gmail.com wrote: Client is running mySQL, But a SQL Server could probably be arranged if we have to. Kind of a painful investment for them, though. Well seems there is support for this in mysql as well but examples use something simular to BulkInsert where the xml file is on the MySql Server. http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/xml-in-mysql5.1-6.0.html ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342226 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Big XML files processing Really s-l-o-w. Solution?
That actually looks like a pretty nice solution if bulkinsert isn't an option. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Alan Rother alan.rot...@gmail.com wrote: When in doubt, ask Ben Nadel(or check his blog)... Words to live by I had the same issue, huge variable XML file, lots of variations, had a hell of a time making it work in SQL Server due to the complexity Used this, works amazingly well, all things considered, executes very quickly http://www.bennadel.com/blog/1345-Ask-Ben-Parsing-Very-Large-XML-Documents-In-ColdFusion.htm =] On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Casey Dougall ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Matt Robertson websitema...@gmail.com wrote: Client is running mySQL, But a SQL Server could probably be arranged if we have to. Kind of a painful investment for them, though. Well seems there is support for this in mysql as well but examples use something simular to BulkInsert where the xml file is on the MySql Server. http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/xml-in-mysql5.1-6.0.html ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342227 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
For the love of all that is good and right in this world, folks, if you're going to comment, please at least get it right. Adobe are NOT _outsourcing_ **ANYTHING**! Adobe has an enormous corporate presence in India. The engineering teams there are - get this, it's hard to grasp, I know - ADOBE EMPLOYEES!!! When you can't even get the basics right, any valid argument/concern you may have is completely devalued and is thereby fodder for the interweb archives. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342228 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Big XML files processing Really s-l-o-w. Solution?
That is probably the solution I was thinking of too, I expect Ben or someone just wrapped it up into a UDF or CFC or posted it on one of the aforementioned sites. Russ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote: That actually looks like a pretty nice solution if bulkinsert isn't an option. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Alan Rother alan.rot...@gmail.com wrote: When in doubt, ask Ben Nadel(or check his blog)... Words to live by I had the same issue, huge variable XML file, lots of variations, had a hell of a time making it work in SQL Server due to the complexity Used this, works amazingly well, all things considered, executes very quickly http://www.bennadel.com/blog/1345-Ask-Ben-Parsing-Very-Large-XML-Documents-In-ColdFusion.htm =] On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Casey Dougall ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Matt Robertson websitema...@gmail.com wrote: Client is running mySQL, But a SQL Server could probably be arranged if we have to. Kind of a painful investment for them, though. Well seems there is support for this in mysql as well but examples use something simular to BulkInsert where the xml file is on the MySql Server. http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/xml-in-mysql5.1-6.0.html ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342229 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: trying to consume webservice w/CF - http header problem
why don't you create a test page to accept the cfhttp post and dump out the contents to a file and then you will see exactly what CF is sending and see if there is a problem. Russ On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Caroline Wise caracol...@gmail.comwrote: All, I'm trying to consume a document-literal webservice by posting a soap request with cfhttp but I keep getting an error that basically says X-Backside-Transport: FAIL FAIL Connection: close illegal character 'B' at offset 0 However, when I use soapUI to submit the exact same request it works and I get a good response. So I figured the only difference between the two requests would be the http request header parameters. I used wireshark to see differences between the http header that is generated by cfhttp and the header generated by soapUI and adjusted cfhttp accordingly but it still isn't working. Any ideas what I could be missing? Thanks so much, Caroline Wise ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342230 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Big XML files processing Really s-l-o-w. Solution?
Very interesting stuff, guys. Very much appreciated. Should have come here before I did the project as opposed to afterward. You'd think I'd know better by now. -- --m@Robertson-- Janitor, The Robertson Team mysecretbase.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342231 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Thanks for the clarification! On 2/14/2011 7:46 PM, Matt Quackenbush wrote: For the love of all that is good and right in this world, folks, if you're going to comment, please at least get it right. Adobe are NOT _outsourcing_ **ANYTHING**! Adobe has an enormous corporate presence in India. The engineering teams there are - get this, it's hard to grasp, I know - ADOBE EMPLOYEES!!! When you can't even get the basics right, any valid argument/concern you may have is completely devalued and is thereby fodder for the interweb archives. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342232 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
I didn't say they were outsourcing Matt, so you may want to follow your own advice there. I SAID: But as has been said, this is not really outsourcing as Adobe have offices and staff there and have had for a long time. :-) On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote: For the love of all that is good and right in this world, folks, if you're going to comment, please at least get it right. Adobe are NOT _outsourcing_ **ANYTHING**! Adobe has an enormous corporate presence in India. The engineering teams there are - get this, it's hard to grasp, I know - ADOBE EMPLOYEES!!! When you can't even get the basics right, any valid argument/concern you may have is completely devalued and is thereby fodder for the interweb archives. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342233 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
@ Russ - You did indeed say that. My apologies for not reading past I can understand why anyone would assume the worst about outsourcing to India, it has a bad rep. But plenty of others *have* accused Adobe of that, which is presumably why I quit reading after seeing that. Again, I apologize for getting _your_ post wrong. :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342234 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Outsource is a generic term for me. The engineering use to be here in the US and is now entirely in India. The fact that they are Adobe employees doesn't invalidate any of the concerns I and others have pointed out. John Mason - Original Message - From: Matt Quackenbush [mailto:quackfu...@gmail.com] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:46:32 -0600 Subject: Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management For the love of all that is good and right in this world, folks, if you're going to comment, please at least get it right. Adobe are NOT _outsourcing_ **ANYTHING**! Adobe has an enormous corporate presence in India. The engineering teams there are - get this, it's hard to grasp, I know - ADOBE EMPLOYEES!!! When you can't even get the basics right, any valid argument/concern you may have is completely devalued and is thereby fodder for the interweb archives. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342235 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: trying to consume webservice w/CF - http header problem
Isn't that what wireshark is doing for her? Showing her exactly what CF is sending? On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: why don't you create a test page to accept the cfhttp post and dump out the contents to a file and then you will see exactly what CF is sending and see if there is a problem. Russ On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Caroline Wise caracol...@gmail.com wrote: All, I'm trying to consume a document-literal webservice by posting a soap request with cfhttp but I keep getting an error that basically says X-Backside-Transport: FAIL FAIL Connection: close illegal character 'B' at offset 0 However, when I use soapUI to submit the exact same request it works and I get a good response. So I figured the only difference between the two requests would be the http request header parameters. I used wireshark to see differences between the http header that is generated by cfhttp and the header generated by soapUI and adjusted cfhttp accordingly but it still isn't working. Any ideas what I could be missing? Thanks so much, Caroline Wise ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342236 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Perhaps, but I think there needs to be a serious discussion about this. Adobe went about a weird way in announcing it and I guess hoped it wouldn't get much notice as a result. This is one of the biggest decisions they have made with ColdFusion in several years. John - Original Message - From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:23:44 + Subject: Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management Painting a target on your back there John :-) Unfortunately having an opinion that is not 100% positive about CF or Adobe brings out the worst Trolls who really have nothing constructive to add and just get their rocks off by making rude and obnoxious comments, which is simply not called for and really some people should know better and be more mature. I agree with your concerns and can understand where they come from, but I also think that perhaps you are being overly pessimistic and assuming the worst. I can understand why anyone would assume the worst about outsourcing to India, it has a bad rep and most people who have had to deal with outsourced support will have been driven to tearing their hair out at some point. But as has been said, this is not really outsourcing as Adobe have offices and staff there and have had for a long time. Your suggestions for improvements however are fair and seems like they would be beneficial regardless of whether you consider this to be FUD or not. Best of luck with the the oncoming flotsam. Russ. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:53 PM, William Seiter will...@seiter.com wrote: Got it, thanks everyone for the google cache link... must be a bad brain day monday for me ;) William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: It's cached by Google.. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3G9LdiSkodEJ:www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion+http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusioncd=1hl=enct=clnkgl=usclient=safarisource=www.google.com - Original Message - From: William Seiter [mailto:will...@seiter.com] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:08:14 + (GMT) Subject: Re: Change in ColdFusion management Anyone have Adam's announcement? I keep trying to access it and get a blank page. Thanks, William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was announced late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns or not, it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on this. Here a the blog posts to look at... Adam's announcement http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion My reaction http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water -there are comments that add additional problems to this move Brian Meloche's reaction http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era John ma...@fusionlink.com twitter: john_mason_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342237 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
You need a dictionary, then. It has a very specific definition. And no, not here in the US is not the definition. :-) out·sourceverb (used with object) 1. (of a company or organization) to purchase (goods) or subcontract (services) from an outside supplier or source. 2. to contract out (jobs, services, etc.) verb (used without object) 3. to obtain goods or services from an outside source http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/outsourc ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342238 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Well we can't be sure that was how Adobe intended to announce it, Adam does have a tendency to post first, think later :-) On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:05 AM, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: Perhaps, but I think there needs to be a serious discussion about this. Adobe went about a weird way in announcing it and I guess hoped it wouldn't get much notice as a result. This is one of the biggest decisions they have made with ColdFusion in several years. John - Original Message - From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:23:44 + Subject: Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management Painting a target on your back there John :-) Unfortunately having an opinion that is not 100% positive about CF or Adobe brings out the worst Trolls who really have nothing constructive to add and just get their rocks off by making rude and obnoxious comments, which is simply not called for and really some people should know better and be more mature. I agree with your concerns and can understand where they come from, but I also think that perhaps you are being overly pessimistic and assuming the worst. I can understand why anyone would assume the worst about outsourcing to India, it has a bad rep and most people who have had to deal with outsourced support will have been driven to tearing their hair out at some point. But as has been said, this is not really outsourcing as Adobe have offices and staff there and have had for a long time. Your suggestions for improvements however are fair and seems like they would be beneficial regardless of whether you consider this to be FUD or not. Best of luck with the the oncoming flotsam. Russ. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:53 PM, William Seiter will...@seiter.com wrote: Got it, thanks everyone for the google cache link... must be a bad brain day monday for me ;) William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: It's cached by Google.. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3G9LdiSkodEJ:www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion+http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusioncd=1hl=enct=clnkgl=usclient=safarisource=www.google.com - Original Message - From: William Seiter [mailto:will...@seiter.com] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:08:14 + (GMT) Subject: Re: Change in ColdFusion management Anyone have Adam's announcement? I keep trying to access it and get a blank page. Thanks, William -- William E. Seiter On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was announced late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns or not, it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on this. Here a the blog posts to look at... Adam's announcement http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion My reaction http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water -there are comments that add additional problems to this move Brian Meloche's reaction http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era John ma...@fusionlink.com twitter: john_mason_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342239 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Sorry I didn't get a pass with the word police. If you want to totally disregard me for that, that's your business. John - Original Message - From: Matt Quackenbush [mailto:quackfu...@gmail.com] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:07:00 -0600 Subject: Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management You need a dictionary, then. It has a very specific definition. And no, not here in the US is not the definition. :-) out?source?verb (used with object) 1. (of a company or organization) to purchase (goods) or subcontract (services) from an outside supplier or source. 2. to contract out (jobs, services, etc.) ?verb (used without object) 3. to obtain goods or services from an outside source http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/outsourc ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342240 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Right so Adobe isn't outsourcing. They have an office in India in which they probably hire Indian citizens. Kelly On 2/14/2011 8:07 PM, Matt Quackenbush wrote: You need a dictionary, then. It has a very specific definition. And no, not here in the US is not the definition. :-) out·sourceverb (used with object) 1. (of a company or organization) to purchase (goods) or subcontract (services) from an outside supplier or source. 2. to contract out (jobs, services, etc.) verb (used without object) 3. to obtain goods or services from an outside source http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/outsourc ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342241 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: trying to consume webservice w/CF - http header problem
Yea, I know what CF is sending and what soapUI is sending and I don't see the difference... Thanks, Caroline On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote: Isn't that what wireshark is doing for her? Showing her exactly what CF is sending? On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: why don't you create a test page to accept the cfhttp post and dump out the contents to a file and then you will see exactly what CF is sending and see if there is a problem. Russ On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Caroline Wise caracol...@gmail.com wrote: All, I'm trying to consume a document-literal webservice by posting a soap request with cfhttp but I keep getting an error that basically says X-Backside-Transport: FAIL FAIL Connection: close illegal character 'B' at offset 0 However, when I use soapUI to submit the exact same request it works and I get a good response. So I figured the only difference between the two requests would be the http request header parameters. I used wireshark to see differences between the http header that is generated by cfhttp and the header generated by soapUI and adjusted cfhttp accordingly but it still isn't working. Any ideas what I could be missing? Thanks so much, Caroline Wise ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342242 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
John, it's not about being word police. It's about whether or not you are a man of your word. Words, whether you like it or not, have very specific meanings. If you choose to use some whacked definition of words in your own mind, definitions that don't even remotely match the actual definitions, then you are an untrustworthy source of information. Why? Because the words you use to spread information are inaccurate. And when you are inaccurate, yes, my friend, it *is* your business. You wonder why people attack you? Perhaps you should start by looking at your choice of words and look up the actual meanings of them before you write them. I'll go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you actually mean something entirely different than you're saying. Now, you should start trying to actually say what you mean and mean what you say (something you admittedly don't bother doing). ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342243 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Change in ColdFusion management
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Kelly wrote: Right so Adobe isn't outsourcing. They have an office in India Correction. They have *multiple* offices across India. http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water#comment-1A6B71C9-5056-2AC5-154F8BA76ABE00EF in which they probably hire Indian citizens. I would assume they hire lots of Indian citizens there. I would also assume that they hire any qualified individual that is legally permitted to work there. Just like they do at offices across the US and around the globe. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342244 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Here are my thoughts. http://www.boyzoid.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/14/The-Sky-is-Falling On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:46 PM, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was announced late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns or not, it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on this. Here a the blog posts to look at... Adam's announcement http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion My reaction http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water -there are comments that add additional problems to this move Brian Meloche's reaction http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era John ma...@fusionlink.com twitter: john_mason_ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342245 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: worst. I can understand why anyone would assume the worst about outsourcing to India, it has a bad rep and most people who have had to deal with outsourced support will have been driven to tearing their hair out at some point. But as has been said, this is not really outsourcing as Adobe have offices and staff there and have had for a long time. FWIW, the CF / Builder product teams are in Bangalore which was Macromedia's India office for a long time. The Web Team (which I created - just after Macromedia acquired Allaire) had most its QA team in India so that we could do 24 hour dev cycles (dev in SF, QA overnight in India). It worked very well. Macromedia had a number of product teams in India. When Adobe acquired Macromedia, that meant two India offices - since Adobe already had an office in Noida with many of its product teams situated there. There's no change to the team that brought us CF8 and CF9 and CFB1 - they're the same folks in India that they've always been and so it's the same team bringing us CFX. The _only_ change in Adam's (long) blog post was that the two roles of Product Management and Product Marketing Management will now be co-located with the engineering team, as part of a larger, well-established business unit that already maintains Framemaker Server and RoboHelp Server (yes, two server products already live in that BU). It seems that any and all change is scary to some folks and a number of them predict doom and disaster every time there's a change. It happened when Macromedia bought Allaire. It happened when Adobe bought Macromedia. It happened when Tim Buntel stepped down as PM, it happened when Jason Delmore was let go from his PM role and it's happened again with Adam transitioning the PM role to someone new. So far, doom and disaster has failed to follow any of those changes... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342246 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: Perhaps, but I think there needs to be a serious discussion about this. You don't think there was a serious discussion about this within Adobe? Do you think Adobe should consult with all its users before making a business decision? They don't even consult with their shareholders on this stuff (and nor should they). This is one of the biggest decisions they have made with ColdFusion in several years. Hardly. Adobe has a ton of product management and marketing folks in India and has had for years. Moving two roles from one location to another, to better fit the business needs, is pretty minor on the corporate scale of things. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342247 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Change in ColdFusion management
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Kelly webd...@gmail.com wrote: Right so Adobe isn't outsourcing. They have an office in India in which they probably hire Indian citizens. Yup, the Noida and Bangalore offices are staffed by a lot of locals and, indeed, some Americans who have decided they'd like to go live over there. Adobe has offices in quite a few countries, BTW... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342248 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
It seems odd that from Adam's fairly positive post people are taking away a sense of doom for CF. From the sounds of it Adobe has agreed to give CF more focus. Any way you cut it that's good for the product. Here's hoping the overall strategy also includes some aggressive marketing... then I can stop bitching about it. ;) On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: worst. I can understand why anyone would assume the worst about outsourcing to India, it has a bad rep and most people who have had to deal with outsourced support will have been driven to tearing their hair out at some point. But as has been said, this is not really outsourcing as Adobe have offices and staff there and have had for a long time. FWIW, the CF / Builder product teams are in Bangalore which was Macromedia's India office for a long time. The Web Team (which I created - just after Macromedia acquired Allaire) had most its QA team in India so that we could do 24 hour dev cycles (dev in SF, QA overnight in India). It worked very well. Macromedia had a number of product teams in India. When Adobe acquired Macromedia, that meant two India offices - since Adobe already had an office in Noida with many of its product teams situated there. There's no change to the team that brought us CF8 and CF9 and CFB1 - they're the same folks in India that they've always been and so it's the same team bringing us CFX. The _only_ change in Adam's (long) blog post was that the two roles of Product Management and Product Marketing Management will now be co-located with the engineering team, as part of a larger, well-established business unit that already maintains Framemaker Server and RoboHelp Server (yes, two server products already live in that BU). It seems that any and all change is scary to some folks and a number of them predict doom and disaster every time there's a change. It happened when Macromedia bought Allaire. It happened when Adobe bought Macromedia. It happened when Tim Buntel stepped down as PM, it happened when Jason Delmore was let go from his PM role and it's happened again with Adam transitioning the PM role to someone new. So far, doom and disaster has failed to follow any of those changes... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342249 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
When Michael Grant comes out and posts in favor of a move by Adobe, you *know* that the world is perfect. :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342250 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: trying to consume webservice w/CF - http header problem
Figured it out myself!!! The issue was that I didn't wrap my soap action parameter in double quotes AND single quotes. I knew it had to be something (relatively) simple... Caroline ^_^ On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Caroline Wise caracol...@gmail.com wrote: Yea, I know what CF is sending and what soapUI is sending and I don't see the difference... Thanks, Caroline On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote: Isn't that what wireshark is doing for her? Showing her exactly what CF is sending? On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: why don't you create a test page to accept the cfhttp post and dump out the contents to a file and then you will see exactly what CF is sending and see if there is a problem. Russ On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Caroline Wise caracol...@gmail.com wrote: All, I'm trying to consume a document-literal webservice by posting a soap request with cfhttp but I keep getting an error that basically says X-Backside-Transport: FAIL FAIL Connection: close illegal character 'B' at offset 0 However, when I use soapUI to submit the exact same request it works and I get a good response. So I figured the only difference between the two requests would be the http request header parameters. I used wireshark to see differences between the http header that is generated by cfhttp and the header generated by soapUI and adjusted cfhttp accordingly but it still isn't working. Any ideas what I could be missing? Thanks so much, Caroline Wise ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342251 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Data source continues working after user id revoked
Why set a bad password intentionally? If it was to stop it from being used, you could just disable connections in the advanced settings of the datasource. It is an instant change. .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger [mailto:mkru...@cfwebtools.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:08 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Data source continues working after user id revoked That makes sense to me one server reinitiated the connection login sequence (and of course failed) while the other server kept right on using the connections it had in the pool. You could probably circumvent this by turning off pooling (maintain connections in the admin). Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG (402) 408-3733 ext 105 Skype: markakruger www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Earl, George [mailto:george.e...@ssa.gov] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 8:54 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Data source continues working after user id revoked We had something weird happen. We're running CF 9.0.1 in a load balanced setting with two servers. The password for one of our data sources was changed so that the passwords in the data sources on the two servers no longer were valid. The data source on one server promptly stopped working with a user id revoked error because of the 'bad' password. But the data source on the other server kept working for several hours until sometime after close of business for that day. In the morning the data source was broken on both servers with the user id revoked error. Does it sound reasonable that the server that continued to be able to use the data source after the user id had been revoked was able to do so because it was kept open in the cache as long as someone was using it within the maintain connections timeout window? And that it was able to do so until the timeout window expired at some point with no further requests for the data source? Thanks! George ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342252 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Matt, I went back over my post to see where and how I used that word and was honestly surprised that at no point did I actually do so. The word is used a number of times by the people who commented to my post in disagreement. I suspect they failed to properly look at the points I made. I did use the word offshore, which I believe that, you would agree, is the proper and correct term to use. Feel free to check for yourself and even refer to Google caching if you feel I may have changed anything. Words are important but at the same time I hope you don't forget to miss the meaning of those words, their context and their intent. Language is a complex tool to be sure. It is important to not arbitrarily disregard anyone, even for a slight mistake. Since I never caused your fault to begin with, I hope you will take the time to reconsider my position and the points of my concern. There are others who also listed concerns as well. I think an honest and critical review of Adobe's position is a positive thing. The quick and false judgement by some, I fear, may end in a terrible mistake. Sincerely, John Mason - Original Message - From: Matt Quackenbush [mailto:quackfu...@gmail.com] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:19:46 -0600 Subject: Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management John, it's not about being word police. It's about whether or not you are a man of your word. Words, whether you like it or not, have very specific meanings. If you choose to use some whacked definition of words in your own mind, definitions that don't even remotely match the actual definitions, then you are an untrustworthy source of information. Why? Because the words you use to spread information are inaccurate. And when you are inaccurate, yes, my friend, it *is* your business. You wonder why people attack you? Perhaps you should start by looking at your choice of words and look up the actual meanings of them before you write them. I'll go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you actually mean something entirely different than you're saying. Now, you should start trying to actually say what you mean and mean what you say (something you admittedly don't bother doing). ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342253 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
John, There is a big difference between 'an honest and critical review of Adobe's position' and your blog post. Once again you take shots at people for 'quick' judgement when you yourself are guilty of just the same. You were criticizing this on Twitter within hours of Adam's blog post going on line. I still fail to see the big deal, of all the people on the ColdFusion team 2 are being changed...2. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:52 PM, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: Matt, I went back over my post to see where and how I used that word and was honestly surprised that at no point did I actually do so. The word is used a number of times by the people who commented to my post in disagreement. I suspect they failed to properly look at the points I made. I did use the word offshore, which I believe that, you would agree, is the proper and correct term to use. Feel free to check for yourself and even refer to Google caching if you feel I may have changed anything. Words are important but at the same time I hope you don't forget to miss the meaning of those words, their context and their intent. Language is a complex tool to be sure. It is important to not arbitrarily disregard anyone, even for a slight mistake. Since I never caused your fault to begin with, I hope you will take the time to reconsider my position and the points of my concern. There are others who also listed concerns as well. I think an honest and critical review of Adobe's position is a positive thing. The quick and false judgement by some, I fear, may end in a terrible mistake. Sincerely, John Mason - Original Message - From: Matt Quackenbush [mailto:quackfu...@gmail.com] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:19:46 -0600 Subject: Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management John, it's not about being word police. It's about whether or not you are a man of your word. Words, whether you like it or not, have very specific meanings. If you choose to use some whacked definition of words in your own mind, definitions that don't even remotely match the actual definitions, then you are an untrustworthy source of information. Why? Because the words you use to spread information are inaccurate. And when you are inaccurate, yes, my friend, it *is* your business. You wonder why people attack you? Perhaps you should start by looking at your choice of words and look up the actual meanings of them before you write them. I'll go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you actually mean something entirely different than you're saying. Now, you should start trying to actually say what you mean and mean what you say (something you admittedly don't bother doing). ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342254 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Sean, First Question: I think the community can have a discussion. Certainly, it's well within their right. It's also in their right to voice concerns to Adobe. If Adobe has a problem with that, then all may very well be lost. I tell my clients of major decisions or actions within my company. I think it's good business and important to do. I wouldn't rank Adobe against a standard I didn't myself hold. Second Question: It's a big decision, we can disagree about how big or which is bigger, but that seems to be a minor point to debate on. Sort of like I caught a fish this big kind of debate :) John Mason - Original Message - From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:36:57 -0800 Subject: Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: Perhaps, but I think there needs to be a serious discussion about this. You don't think there was a serious discussion about this within Adobe? Do you think Adobe should consult with all its users before making a business decision? They don't even consult with their shareholders on this stuff (and nor should they). This is one of the biggest decisions they have made with ColdFusion in several years. Hardly. Adobe has a ton of product management and marketing folks in India and has had for years. Moving two roles from one location to another, to better fit the business needs, is pretty minor on the corporate scale of things. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342255 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
Scott, I think its a bad decision and I took a great deal of time to make my blog post. I agree twitter is for initial reactions and banter, blog posts are for careful reflection and thought. You keep referring to my twitter posts? I think you may be judging me with the wrong level. People including myself think this is a bad move. I specifically said early in my blog post that the sky wasn't falling and yet you keep accusing me of saying the opposite. Please carefully look at my points. My main point, is that by the time we may discover something is seriously wrong that at that point it may very well be too late. John Mason - Original Message - From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:31:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management John, There is a big difference between 'an honest and critical review of Adobe's position' and your blog post. Once again you take shots at people for 'quick' judgement when you yourself are guilty of just the same. You were criticizing this on Twitter within hours of Adam's blog post going on line. I still fail to see the big deal, of all the people on the ColdFusion team 2 are being changed...2. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:52 PM, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: Matt, I went back over my post to see where and how I used that word and was honestly surprised that at no point did I actually do so. The word is used a number of times by the people who commented to my post in disagreement. I suspect they failed to properly look at the points I made. I did use the word offshore, which I believe that, you would agree, is the proper and correct term to use. Feel free to check for yourself and even refer to Google caching if you feel I may have changed anything. Words are important but at the same time I hope you don't forget to miss the meaning of those words, their context and their intent. Language is a complex tool to be sure. It is important to not arbitrarily disregard anyone, even for a slight mistake. Since I never caused your fault to begin with, I hope you will take the time to reconsider my position and the points of my concern. There are others who also listed concerns as well. I think an honest and critical review of Adobe's position is a positive thing. The quick and false judgement by some, I fear, may end in a terrible mistake. Sincerely, John Mason - Original Message - From: Matt Quackenbush [mailto:quackfu...@gmail.com] To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:19:46 -0600 Subject: Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management John, it's not about being word police. ?It's about whether or not you are a man of your word. ?Words, whether you like it or not, have very specific meanings. ?If you choose to use some whacked definition of words in your own mind, definitions that don't even remotely match the actual definitions, then you are an untrustworthy source of information. ?Why? ?Because the words you use to spread information are inaccurate. ?And when you are inaccurate, yes, my friend, it *is* your business. You wonder why people attack you? ?Perhaps you should start by looking at your choice of words and look up the actual meanings of them before you write them. ?I'll go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you actually mean something entirely different than you're saying. Now, you should start trying to actually say what you mean and mean what you say (something you admittedly don't bother doing). ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342256 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 8:36 PM, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: I think the community can have a discussion. Sure, they _can_ if they want. I don't think they _need_ to, nor do I think it's needs to be _serious_ - and judging from pretty much everyone's responses to both your blog post and then your post here, I'm getting the impression your desire to create a discussion is greater than pretty much anyone else's...? It's a big decision, we can disagree about how big or which is bigger, but that seems to be a minor point to debate on. Well, I think there are many people who don't even think it's a big decision. And I'll bet that the vast rank and file of the Adobe ColdFusion user base - the 778,000 reported by Evans Data Corp (or whatever number it really is) - neither know nor particularly care. I bet if you asked the average ColdFusion developer out there (you know, the vast majority, and therefore by definition the ones that aren't on cf-talk and don't read any of our blogs), 90% of them couldn't even tell you who the product manager is for the product they use day-in, day-out. I bet we all use products, all day long that we have no idea who the product manager is, nor where they are based? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwoo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342257 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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For the many CF customers outside of the US, these positions have always been offshore. Time to join the rest of us on the planet. -- WSS4CF - WS-Security framework for CF http://wss4cf.riaforge.org/ On 15 February 2011 11:52, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: I did use the word offshore, ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342258 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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John, words are important. I read your entire post. I disagree with virtually everything you stated in it. Based upon the comments there and here (and presumably elsewhere, from what I gather), it appears that I am not alone in disagreeing with you. sarcasm Oh! You hear that? You'd better take my position, because I'm not alone! /sarcasm The bottom line is, it doesn't matter if we disagree or agree. You've made your feelings on the topic perfectly clear. Over and over and over and over again. And then you make your same tired point(s) one more time just for good measure. Why continue to stir the pot that isn't yours in the first place? By the way, the notion that the ACP program was intended to serve as an advisory board or steering committee for the product could not be more off base. The ACP program is 100% marketing. Period. It **is** about fanbois. (http://www.adobe.com/communities/professionals/) Also, on your comment about Adobe having to answer to CF users, that is crazy talk. Unless you have a contract with them that states they must consult with you on every decision they make, they don't have to ask you the first thing. That's how business works. Let's suppose, just for a moment, that you are right and the entire CF product goes straight into the shitter and is gone. That is Adobe's prerogative. They answer only to their shareholders and Board. (If you happen to be one of those, then you need to be taking it up in the appropriate meeting forums - not here.) At the end of the day, Adobe is going to do what Adobe is going to do. You can do nothing about it. I can do nothing about it. If 200 or even 2,000 of us banded together and marched around one of their countless offices, we could do nothing about it. If their business decisions about their business bother you so badly, the choice is simple: Go do business elsewhere! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342259 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:45 PM, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote: I think its a bad decision and I took a great deal of time to make my blog post. I agree twitter is for initial reactions and banter, blog posts are for careful reflection and thought. You keep referring to my twitter posts? I think you may be judging me with the wrong level. People including myself think this is a bad move. You really think moving two management positions to be close to the actual engineering team instead of half a world away is a bad move? THIS is what you're in an uproar over? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342260 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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To be fair, Matt, I'm not sure how it works for the other products, but the CF ACPs absolutely do have a very high level of input. We get (or may not get, heh, I don't know where the NDAs affect what I can say) ongoing briefings and opportunities for input on features as product development as it goes on. That said, part of the reason the CAB (Customer Advisory Board) was created is to help separate the evangelism from the product guidance. And a very large number (if not all) of the ACPs are on the CAB, along with a number of others who are not ACPs. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote: By the way, the notion that the ACP program was intended to serve as an advisory board or steering committee for the product could not be more off base. The ACP program is 100% marketing. Period. It **is** about fanbois. (http://www.adobe.com/communities/professionals/) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342261 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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And to add to that, I can say that *if* I did have deep knowledge of what is going on with CF X, I *might* say that when people see what is coming, the naysayers are going to feel really silly. Really, really silly. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: To be fair, Matt, I'm not sure how it works for the other products, but the CF ACPs absolutely do have a very high level of input. We get (or may not get, heh, I don't know where the NDAs affect what I can say) ongoing briefings and opportunities for input on features as product development as it goes on. That said, part of the reason the CAB (Customer Advisory Board) was created is to help separate the evangelism from the product guidance. And a very large number (if not all) of the ACPs are on the CAB, along with a number of others who are not ACPs. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote: By the way, the notion that the ACP program was intended to serve as an advisory board or steering committee for the product could not be more off base. The ACP program is 100% marketing. Period. It **is** about fanbois. (http://www.adobe.com/communities/professionals/) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342262 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Matt Quackenbush wrote: When Michael Grant comes out and posts in favor of a move by Adobe, you *know* that the world is perfect. :-) Proof! :Den -- For the Absolute, as we now know, all life is individual, but is individual as expressing a meaning. Josiah Royc ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342263 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Right, but I did not say the ACPs have no input. (Nor did I say that they should not have input.) I said that to suggest that their purpose was to provide input is off base. Their publicly stated purpose is one of marketing and evangelism. The CAB, on the other hand, is, well, an _Advisory_ Board. ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342264 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Are you speaking for Adobe and saying that customer input is meaningless to them? Because I think a business that ignore its customers will not be in business very long. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: Also, on your comment about Adobe having to answer to CF users, that is crazy talk. Unless you have a contract with them that states they must consult with you on every decision they make, they don't have to ask you the first thing. That's how business work ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342265 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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LMAO! WTF? Seriously? On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: Are you speaking for Adobe and saying that customer input is meaningless to them? Because I think a business that ignore its customers will not be in business very long. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: Also, on your comment about Adobe having to answer to CF users, that is crazy talk. Unless you have a contract with them that states they must consult with you on every decision they make, they don't have to ask you the first thing. That's how business work ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342266 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I think there's a bit of the American NIH syndrome in evidence, which is well known in international US owned companies, specially in technology companies.This might come as a deep shock to some of you Americans, but there are some VERY smart people OUTSIDE the USA. I first saw this when I worked for Burroughs Corp in New Zealand in the early 1970s. We had some VERY clever programmers building some revolutionary software, that enabled us to sell mainframes worth millions against IBM, who were dominant in NZ as well as everywhere else at the time. We managed to corner the Government mainframe market back then. But even so, when it attracted the attention of the execs in the USA, they refused to believe that we could have developed software they were unable to do.The NIH syndrome struck. (Not Invented Here) The NZ subsidiary continued using the software to make sales, and it took the transfer of one of our senior guys to the USA for them to finally accept that we might have broken into a new market with something new. In the 1980s i was in another field, and we were routinely doing things my American counterparts had never thought of doing. When I would tell them what I was doing, they'd scoff, saying it if was possible, we'd be doing it. I think the NIH is in evidence here too. We've all had pretty dismal experiences with Indian, Phillipino and Indonesian call centres, but the software industry in India is VERY advanced. There's nothing inherently better about American programmers. Just because they're American doesn't make them better. There are a whole lot more factors that need to be taken into account than nationality. Americans build some rotten software too, you know, just like everyone else. CF7 and CF8 and CF9 were all splendid releases, each better than their predecessors. I see this change as a good thing. It makes good sense to have the Product manager in daily contact with the engineering and QA teams. A two way dialogue between Product management, and Engineering is essential to good development and innovation.I suspect Adam doesnt want to uproot his whole family and move to India. He doesnt say why he's not going to India so I'm guessing, but I dont think it makes any difference. They'll find a great PM to do the job in India, either an existing employee or someone hired for the job there. Either Indian or not, I dont think it makes any difference, provided the person doing the job has the qualities needed for a good Product Manager. This'll stun Sean, so I'll put it in caps in its own paragraph: I THINK THIS IS A GOOD MOVE BY ADOBE AND WILL BE GOOD FOR COLDFUSION. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Kelly webd...@gmail.com wrote: Right so Adobe isn't outsourcing. They have an office in India in which they probably hire Indian citizens. Yup, the Noida and Bangalore offices are staffed by a lot of locals and, indeed, some Americans who have decided they'd like to go live over there. Adobe has offices in quite a few countries, BTW... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342267 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Damn! Mike Kear and Michael Grant, both? In the same thread?!?!?! THE HEAVENS HAVE OPENED! :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342268 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Actually Matt, I hope you read all of my post. I'm not taking the same stance as Michael Grant. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: Damn! Mike Kear and Michael Grant, both? In the same thread?!?!?! THE HEAVENS HAVE OPENED! :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342269 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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I did read your entire post. And I did not say you were taking the same stance. But you both said positive things about Adobe. In the same thread. Miracles *do* happen! :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342270 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Indeed, Matt.In fact my posting at all here is a minor miracle. I gave up on it quite some time ago when I was beaten about the head for expressing my opinion. I have this reputation as being a negative whiner. But I think it's uncalled for. I have been critical of Adobe's marketing here in Australia, and I'm not alone. In fact some of the people who slammed me on this list wrote me privately and said they agreed, but weren't prepared to say so publicly. And in frustration at a few tech issues related to installation of a version some years ago, I voiced (ok strongly voiced) an opinion about what I thought should have been in the installation instructions. I'll admit I should perhaps have been a bit more temperate in my language at the time. But apart from that, I have been positive to ColdFusion and their owners of the day.ColdFusion's been my living for around 15 years so I think that testifies to some commitment on my part, don't you think? Also, i think it qualifies me to have strong opinions about some aspects of the CFML product. Since I had a background in senior management, and running major and government accounts operations in several US based and Australian high tech companies before cutting out on my own, I think that qualifies me to express opinions about Adobe's organisation here. If I don't feel I know what I'm talking about, I keep my opinions to myself. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: I did read your entire post. And I did not say you were taking the same stance. But you both said positive things about Adobe. In the same thread. Miracles *do* happen! :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342271 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
