Re: SOT: ColdFusion on .NET Rocks podcast
I've only been listening for the last year or so, and I've really gotten quite a bit from the show, both .NET and otherwise. As I told them, I don't think they suffer from fanboy fever, so maybe there's been a mellowing over the years. Thanks for the feedback, look forward to seeing at MAX. Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com On Sep 15, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Nathan Strutz wrote: > > Wow Billy, > > Carl was pretty hostile to CF a few years ago when I stopped listening. > Great show, I'm really glad you did it. See you at MAX! > > nathan strutz > [www.dopefly.com] [hi.im/nathanstrutz] [about.me/nathanstrutz] > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Billy Cravens wrote: > >> >> I recently had the opportunity to sit down and talk with the guys at .NET >> Rocks!, comparing ColdFusion to .NET. You may recall I had a few questions >> I >> asked here in prep for that interview. >> >> http://www.dotnetrocks.com/default.aspx?showNum=696 >> >> Keep in mind that we were talking ColdFusion at a pretty high level, trying >> to compare it with .NET and identifying if it is a full featured platform >> that relevant to today's developer or if it's a relic of the past. (The >> hosts are great and love technology, and the conversation was a good one). >> There's plenty of nitty gritty we didn't talk about, and many points I >> meant >> to make but didn't, which I've tried to expand upon here: >> >> http://www.billycravens.com/coldfusion-on-net-rocks >> >> >> Billy Cravens >> >> >> > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347492 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: ColdFusion on .NET Rocks podcast
Wow Billy, Carl was pretty hostile to CF a few years ago when I stopped listening. Great show, I'm really glad you did it. See you at MAX! nathan strutz [www.dopefly.com] [hi.im/nathanstrutz] [about.me/nathanstrutz] On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Billy Cravens wrote: > > I recently had the opportunity to sit down and talk with the guys at .NET > Rocks!, comparing ColdFusion to .NET. You may recall I had a few questions > I > asked here in prep for that interview. > > http://www.dotnetrocks.com/default.aspx?showNum=696 > > Keep in mind that we were talking ColdFusion at a pretty high level, trying > to compare it with .NET and identifying if it is a full featured platform > that relevant to today's developer or if it's a relic of the past. (The > hosts are great and love technology, and the conversation was a good one). > There's plenty of nitty gritty we didn't talk about, and many points I > meant > to make but didn't, which I've tried to expand upon here: > > http://www.billycravens.com/coldfusion-on-net-rocks > > > Billy Cravens > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347491 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Any way to process this within onRequest in Application.cfc?
JS is client side. CF is server side. You can use CF to generate the js code that the browser will run, but you can't actually run it on the server side. (Caveat is server-side js ofcourse.) On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > Hi, Michael... > > No, I'm not trying to output anything to the browser, just > establish the variables, in this case the JS global variables > for use throughout the site. > > I establish all the CF variables in the application.cfc and > was trying to see if I could accomplish the same thing with the > JS variables. But trying to process any JS within a .cfc > always just returns the JS script, itself. > > It seems like JS can't be processed in a .cfc, or perhaps I'm > missing something. > > I've been cfincluding a file that processes the JS variables, > such as those below, as part of the .cfm pages, but was just > trying to see if I could do it once in the application.cfc > in the onRequest section. > > Rick > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:27 AM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: Any way to process this within onRequest in Application.cfc? > > > What exactly do you mean by processed? Do you mean outputted to the > browser? > Wouldn't the code you show end up being before the doctype declaration of > an > html page? > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > var js_sitename = '#js_sitename#'; > > var js_website = '#js_website#'; > > var js_site_manager_dsn = '#js_site_manager_dsn#'; > > var js_client_dsn= '#js_client_dsn#'; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems that no matter how I try to do it, either putting js directly > > into an application.cfc or either using a cfinclude in an > > onRequest function, the js can't be processed along with the other > > code in the application.cfc. > > > > I'm trying to locate all variables for a site in one place (part of > > an MSOC design. > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347490 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Any way to process this within onRequest in Application.cfc?
Thanks for the approaches, Justin... I'll give them a try. Rick -Original Message- From: Justin Scott [mailto:leviat...@darktech.org] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:38 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Any way to process this within onRequest in Application.cfc? > It seems that no matter how I try to do it, either putting > js directly into an application.cfc or either using a cfinclude > in an onRequest function, the js can't be processed along > with the other code in the application.cfc. A few options come to mind... 1) Wrap that output with CFSAVECONTENT, then use CFHTMLHEAD with that variable and let ColdFusion insert the output into the head section of the HTML that it output elsewhere. This will work as long as you're not using CFFLUSH on CFCONTENT with the reset attribute set to true further along when processing the page. This would look like... var something = "#some value#"; 2) Use the onRequestEnd() method in Application.cfc and manually inject into the output stream. This is similar to the first option, but allows more control over where you want to inject the content into the HTML. #generatedContent# 3) Use the same CFSAVECONTENT snippet within onRequestStart or onApplicationStart, whatever makes sense for you, but save it to a request variable (e.g. request.jsVars) and then output that as part of your standard "header" or "footer" display templates that other pages might include. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347489 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Any way to process this within onRequest in Application.cfc?
Thanks for the confirmation, Justin. That's what I figured... Rick -Original Message- From: Justin Scott [mailto:leviat...@darktech.org] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:40 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Any way to process this within onRequest in Application.cfc? > No, I'm not trying to output anything to the browser, just > establish the variables, in this case the JS global variables > for use throughout the site. JavaScript is executed entirely by the browser, so for the browser to get those variables you will need to include them in the HTML output stream. ColdFusion will do all of its processing on the server, generate the final HTML and send it to the browser, and then the browser will execute any JavaScript attached to that generated page. ColdFusion and its CFM/CFC files aren't going to "process" any of your JavaScript code internally. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347488 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Any way to process this within onRequest in Application.cfc?
> No, I'm not trying to output anything to the browser, just > establish the variables, in this case the JS global variables > for use throughout the site. JavaScript is executed entirely by the browser, so for the browser to get those variables you will need to include them in the HTML output stream. ColdFusion will do all of its processing on the server, generate the final HTML and send it to the browser, and then the browser will execute any JavaScript attached to that generated page. ColdFusion and its CFM/CFC files aren't going to "process" any of your JavaScript code internally. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347487 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Any way to process this within onRequest in Application.cfc?
> It seems that no matter how I try to do it, either putting > js directly into an application.cfc or either using a cfinclude > in an onRequest function, the js can't be processed along > with the other code in the application.cfc. A few options come to mind... 1) Wrap that output with CFSAVECONTENT, then use CFHTMLHEAD with that variable and let ColdFusion insert the output into the head section of the HTML that it output elsewhere. This will work as long as you're not using CFFLUSH on CFCONTENT with the reset attribute set to true further along when processing the page. This would look like... var something = "#some value#"; 2) Use the onRequestEnd() method in Application.cfc and manually inject into the output stream. This is similar to the first option, but allows more control over where you want to inject the content into the HTML. #generatedContent# 3) Use the same CFSAVECONTENT snippet within onRequestStart or onApplicationStart, whatever makes sense for you, but save it to a request variable (e.g. request.jsVars) and then output that as part of your standard "header" or "footer" display templates that other pages might include. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347486 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Any way to process this within onRequest in Application.cfc?
Hi, Michael... No, I'm not trying to output anything to the browser, just establish the variables, in this case the JS global variables for use throughout the site. I establish all the CF variables in the application.cfc and was trying to see if I could accomplish the same thing with the JS variables. But trying to process any JS within a .cfc always just returns the JS script, itself. It seems like JS can't be processed in a .cfc, or perhaps I'm missing something. I've been cfincluding a file that processes the JS variables, such as those below, as part of the .cfm pages, but was just trying to see if I could do it once in the application.cfc in the onRequest section. Rick -Original Message- From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:27 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Any way to process this within onRequest in Application.cfc? What exactly do you mean by processed? Do you mean outputted to the browser? Wouldn't the code you show end up being before the doctype declaration of an html page? On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > var js_sitename = '#js_sitename#'; > var js_website = '#js_website#'; > var js_site_manager_dsn = '#js_site_manager_dsn#'; > var js_client_dsn= '#js_client_dsn#'; > > > > > > > It seems that no matter how I try to do it, either putting js directly > into an application.cfc or either using a cfinclude in an > onRequest function, the js can't be processed along with the other > code in the application.cfc. > > I'm trying to locate all variables for a site in one place (part of > an MSOC design. > > Rick > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347485 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Any way to process this within onRequest in Application.cfc?
What exactly do you mean by processed? Do you mean outputted to the browser? Wouldn't the code you show end up being before the doctype declaration of an html page? On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > var js_sitename = '#js_sitename#'; > var js_website = '#js_website#'; > var js_site_manager_dsn = '#js_site_manager_dsn#'; > var js_client_dsn= '#js_client_dsn#'; > > > > > > > It seems that no matter how I try to do it, either putting js directly > into an application.cfc or either using a cfinclude in an > onRequest function, the js can't be processed along with the other > code in the application.cfc. > > I'm trying to locate all variables for a site in one place (part of > an MSOC design. > > Rick > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347484 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Any way to process this within onRequest in Application.cfc?
var js_sitename = '#js_sitename#'; var js_website = '#js_website#'; var js_site_manager_dsn = '#js_site_manager_dsn#'; var js_client_dsn= '#js_client_dsn#'; It seems that no matter how I try to do it, either putting js directly into an application.cfc or either using a cfinclude in an onRequest function, the js can't be processed along with the other code in the application.cfc. I'm trying to locate all variables for a site in one place (part of an MSOC design. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347483 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
SOT: ColdFusion on .NET Rocks podcast
I recently had the opportunity to sit down and talk with the guys at .NET Rocks!, comparing ColdFusion to .NET. You may recall I had a few questions I asked here in prep for that interview. http://www.dotnetrocks.com/default.aspx?showNum=696 Keep in mind that we were talking ColdFusion at a pretty high level, trying to compare it with .NET and identifying if it is a full featured platform that relevant to today's developer or if it's a relic of the past. (The hosts are great and love technology, and the conversation was a good one). There's plenty of nitty gritty we didn't talk about, and many points I meant to make but didn't, which I've tried to expand upon here: http://www.billycravens.com/coldfusion-on-net-rocks Billy Cravens ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347482 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
