Re: Query of Queries Problem with JDBC
Hello Jochem, The error I am getting is that ColdFusion MX gets an error executing Query of Queries. Well, here's my testing code: --- SELECT a.* FROMstatscountries a JOIN( SELECT isocode FROMstatscountries WHERE isocode LIKE '%A%' ) b ON a.isocode = b.isocode WHERE a.isocode LIKE '%U%' SELECT * FROMqryName WHERE isocode LIKE '%U%' #qofq.RecordCount# - Then, the error I get when I execute it is: = Error Occurred While Processing Request Error Executing Database Query. The error occurred in /var/www/html/circus/index.cfm: line 14 12 : 13 : 14 : 15 : SELECT * 16 : FROM qryName SQLSELECT * FROM qryName WHERE isocode LIKE '%U%' java.sql.SQLException at coldfusion.sql.JdbcImpl.getConnection(JdbcImpl.java:73) at coldfusion.sql.JdbcImpl.getConnection(JdbcImpl.java:56) at coldfusion.sql.SqlImpl.execute(SqlImpl.java:207) at coldfusion.tagext.sql.QueryTag.doEndTag(QueryTag.java:447) at cfindex2ecfm1734096888.runPage(/var/www/html/circus/index.cfm:14) at coldfusion.runtime.CfJspPage.invoke(CfJspPage.java:147) at coldfusion.tagext.lang.IncludeTag.doStartTag(IncludeTag.java:357) at coldfusion.filter.CfincludeFilter.invoke(CfincludeFilter.java:62) at coldfusion.filter.ApplicationFilter.invoke(ApplicationFilter.java:107) at coldfusion.filter.PathFilter.invoke(PathFilter.java:80) at coldfusion.filter.ExceptionFilter.invoke(ExceptionFilter.java:47) at coldfusion.filter.BrowserDebugFilter.invoke(BrowserDebugFilter.java:52) at coldfusion.filter.ClientScopePersistenceFilter.invoke(ClientScopePersistenceFilter.java:28) at coldfusion.filter.BrowserFilter.invoke(BrowserFilter.java:35) at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(GlobalsFilter.java:43) at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(DatasourceFilter.java:22) at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(CfmServlet.java:105) at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:91) at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42) at jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:252) at jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:527) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.invokeRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:192) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:348) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:451) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:294) at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66) == The problem shoots randomly after the CFMX server starts. Sometimes it occurs in a fluid succession, sometimes it seems fixed but would get crappy after one restart. I've also tried dropping in the JDBC drivers at those directories, then restart the server, but I still get the error. As for using a 7.4 JDBC to access an 8.1 database, it gets an error on some encoding, particularly on trailing spaces, which I don't get when I use an 8.1 JDBC. On using PostgreSQL 8.2 with CFMX, I haven't tried it, and I am not sure if the RPMs would install properly on my FC4. If I remember it right, I think I have tried installing 8.2 and the RPMs went searching for some .so# that I don't have. Does CFMX really use JDBC2? I thought JVM 1.4 uses JDBC3. Isn't the JVM that comes with ColdFusion version 1.4? So shouldn't I use JDBC3 (although JDBC2 works, anyway). Anyways, thanks for the advices, and I'll see 8.2. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267569 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Query of Queries Problem with JDBC
Thanks, then. I guess I'd better stick to 7.4 and MX for the mean time. >> 2. Has anyone encountered this? What did you do? > >I haven't encountered this. But there are a couple of things I would >suggest. > >First, have you considered upgrading to CFMX 7.0.2? > >Second, have you considered upgrading the JVM? You should be able to upgrade >to a later 1.4.2 JVM. > >> 3. How will you know what JDBC driver is suitable for you? I >> thought CFMX comes with its own JDK, which is version 1.4, >> thus JDBC3. How come JDBC2 works well, or does it really? > >CFMX does come with its own JVM, which for CFMX 6.1 is 1.4.2 base or >1.4.2_05, I forget which. The CF Administrator will tell you what JVM >version you're using. > >Newer JVMs should still be able to run JDBC2 applications, I think. > >And, as for which JDBC driver is suitable, that's really up in the air. If >you can use the JDBC drivers that come with CF, well, most people just do >that. That obviously won't work with PostgreSQL, so you use whatever works >for you. I've seen all sorts of different JDBC drivers used with CF, and >there's typically no one "best answer" to this question. I've seen some odd >cases where the ODBC bridge provides better performance than the type 4 JDBC >drivers, and frankly that's just crazy to me. > >Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software >http://www.figleaf.com/ > >Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized >instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, >Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. >Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267430 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Query of Queries Problem with JDBC
This might be a long post, but I got a real question here after I explain my case and my problem well. I am getting a Query of Query error in CFMX 6.1 when I used a JDBC driver for PostgreSQL 8.1. I thought it had something to do with 1.) OS, 2.) JDBC driver, 3.) My install, or 4.) My installer. My OS is FC4, and I just can't do any Query of Queries (which is a bad thing because the CFMX debugger uses it, and some module of my webapp's, use it too). In short, in this setup Query of Queries was impossible. I couldn't find anything helpful from Adobe or anywhere from the web. Someone recommended to restart the CFMX server to fix this problem. But that was just bad. A restart may fix or ruin the function of QofQ What if my server restarted on its own after handling too many requests and I got the QofQ errors in Production. That would cause headaches. So I tried testing to see where the problem lies. I tested CFMX 6.1 in two setups: One is an FC4 server The other is a RHEL4 server In FC4, I installed PostgreSQL 8.1 and connected CFMX using the recommended JDBC3 and JDBC2, each in alternate trials. Both trials issued a query of queries (QofQ) error, which I heard of is inherent in FC4. With that, I removed PostgreSQL 8.1 and downgraded to 7.4 and used the recommended JDBC for 7.4. It worked fine. I don't get any QofQ errors. In RHEL4, I installed PostgreSQL 7.4 first. It worked fine. No QofQ errors. I wasn't able to fully install PostgreSQL version 8.1 for RHEL4. Thus I tried something else: I removed the JDBC JVM mapping for 7.4 in CFMX administrator and installed an 8.1 JDBC2 JVM mapping. I connected to a remote PostgreSQL 8.1 database. It worked. No errors. QofQ OK. Problem is my database is remote, which is a different scenario from my FC4's setup. My problem at this point is semi-solved. I setup my FC4's CFMX to connect to the same remote database using a JDBC2 Driver for 8.1 (same procedure as I did in RHEL4). I got the QofQ errors. I tried using the JDBC3 Driver for 7.4 to connect to the remote 8.1 database. It connected. I got no QofQ error. Restart after Restart after Restart. But since the best scenario is sticking to PostgreSQL 7.4, I might just stick to it. Now here are my short questions: 1. If I am using simple queries available, would my using a 7.4 JDBC driver to connect to an 8.1 database cause any problems? 2. Has anyone encountered this? What did you do? 3. How will you know what JDBC driver is suitable for you? I thought CFMX comes with its own JDK, which is version 1.4, thus JDBC3. How come JDBC2 works well, or does it really? Hope someone can help, and how my posting of this problem would help someone, too. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267415 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFMX 6.1 and FC5?
Thanks, Tom and Steven. Steven, it is really so.5 that my CFMX 6.1 is looking for. I've read the tip on checking which rpm provides which on some other forum, and the libs I need comes from the openssl package. The openssql-9.7f which comes with FC4 has the so.5 libs, the openssl that comes with FC5 does not have the so.5, it has so.6 and so.4 but no so.5s whatsoever. FC5 does not have the openssl-9.7f. Does anyone here have successfully ran CFMX 6.1 on FC5? I am inferring that CFMX 7 can install on FC5, but not CFMX 6.1, the same way that a Postgres installer for FC4 won't install on FC5. I read from somewhere that I need to make an so.5 link that points to some other so's. I haven't tried, though. I am not very familiar with the library files. Thanks anyways. >Please confirm the name of the missing library. I believe it may be >libc.so.6 not .5. > >Using the rpm command it can be determined which package should have >installed a file. Try rpm --query --redhatprovides (ref 1). >On a RHEL4 system, /lib/libc.so.6 is installed by the glibc-2.3.4 >package, same as CentOS. > >I don't have my FC5 installation in front of me, but I believe it has a >newer glibc version. Checking Fedora package list I see it has 2.4-11 >(ref 2), and it does appear that 2.4-11 should have installed libc.so.6 >(ref 3). You may want to confirm the missing library name, confirm the >package which should have installed the library, and then install that >package. > >On the topic of distributions, if you must run a distro which is >unsupported by Red Hat and unsupported by ColdFusion, then I would >recommend CentOS rather than Fedora. Even Red Hat will tell you this. >CentOS is a legal clone of Red Hat Enterprise Linux so Cent shares the >same stability, reliability, and security as RHEL (ref 4). Fedora on >the other hand is a bleeding edge distribution with the most bells and >whistles and features which have not necessarily been tested to the >extent that RHEL is tested. Since ColdFusion is supported for use on >RHEL4, while you cannot open a support ticket with Adobe for support of >CF on Cent, you can assume that CF will install and run the same, >whereas results with Fedora will be in question. > >For the last 2 months I have been using ColdFusion MX 7 on CentOS (among >other OSes), and have been very satisfied. > >-Steven Erat >Adobe ColdFusion QA > > >Refs >*1 >http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/drafts/rpm-guide-en/ch-command-reference.h >tml >*2 http://fedoranews.org/cms/node/1617 >*3 >http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/fedora/updates/5/x86_64/glibc-2.4-11.i386. >html >*4 http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/5823/1/ > > > > > > > >> What do you think? Have I left out anything in the installation? ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253554 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
CFMX 6.1 and FC5?
Has anyone tried installing ColdFusion MX 6.1 on FC5? I tried installing one, and got past the installation procedures, but when I tried running CFMX 6.1, I got troubles already. It was looking for a certain libc.so.5 (or was it libcrypto.so.5) and libssl.so.5, both found on FC4. I am thinking now that installing MX 6.1 on FC5 is just not possible. But since Fedora has been all about "freedom" and "infinity", I presume I just need to tweak the libso files found in my /lib directory. What do you think? Have I left out anything in the installation? ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253486 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: ColdFusion and the Pre-packed JDK Problems
>Jerky San Pedro wrote: >> Thanks, Jochem. I am aware of that, and that's why it stumps me. Thing >> is, the error encounters come in random. Sometimes, when I restart the >> CFServer I get the error. Sometimes, I don't. Sometimes, I get it 8 >> restarts in a row: like today. And that troubles me, because that >> should not happen to a production machine, in case. > >Which error? You still haven't told us what the error message is. > >Jochem This error: Error Executing Database Query. The error occurred in /opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/WEB-INF/debug/classic.cfm: line 234 Called from /opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/WEB-INF/debug/classic.cfm: line 232 Called from /opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/WEB-INF/debug/classic.cfm: line 10 Called from /opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/WEB-INF/debug/classic.cfm: line 1 Called from /opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/WEB-INF/debug/classic.cfm: line 234 Called from /opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/WEB-INF/debug/classic.cfm: line 232 Called from /opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/WEB-INF/debug/classic.cfm: line 10 Called from /opt/coldfusionmx/wwwroot/WEB-INF/debug/classic.cfm: line 1 232 : 233 : 234 : 235 : SELECT (endTime - startTime) AS executionTime 236 : FROM qEvents I got it when I turned on the debugger, and when I am doing a QofQ. But it is an intermittent error, and now I don't encounter it. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252709 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: ColdFusion and the Pre-packed JDK Problems
Thanks, Jochem. I am aware of that, and that's why it stumps me. Thing is, the error encounters come in random. Sometimes, when I restart the CFServer I get the error. Sometimes, I don't. Sometimes, I get it 8 restarts in a row: like today. And that troubles me, because that should not happen to a production machine, in case. I read somewhere from here (Houseoffusion) that it has to do with the JVM path you define in the CFAdmin, that you have to tweak the config files themselves (well, that was the suggestion for CFMX 7, not for MX6.1). For clarity, here's what I did: I defined the JDBC drivers in the JVM classpath. I get errors time and again when I restart the CFServer. At this point, I get errors. To try to solve this, I removed the classpath definition from the CFAdmin and placed them on the runtime library folder (where all the other jar files are). And, oh, yeah, after I removed the classpath, I added all the JDBC drivers for PostgreSQL that I can find suitable for my install (8.1.4). Funny, now it works flawlessly, and I've restarted my CFserver 5 times already (and I haven't even needed to cross my fingers). But I don't wanna take my chances, though. Anyways, thanks. > Jerky San Pedro wrote: > > ColdFusion MX 6.1 comes with a bundled JDK of its own, right? Now > does > > that JDK bypass the JDK already installed with your OS when it > > executes your .jar files? I just wanna be sure, in case my > assumption > > is wrong (though it appears logical enough that the OS JDK is > > bypassed). > > > > I'm asking because I get intermittent errors executing query of > > queries when I restart my CF server. I am thinking that maybe it has > > > something to do with the JDBC I am using, because I don't think it > > should really issue any error if I am using the right JDBC, or is > > ColdFusion screwy like that when working with JDBCs and PostgreSQL? > > JDBC is not involved when doing a Q0fQ (it is only involved in the > step before where you do the normal query). Maybe you should start > with the begin and explain in which circumstances you get which > error? > Jochem ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252499 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF5 Download
I also have CF-5 installers for Linux and Windows prepared for backup purposes. I don't know if I can mail it to you, it's a huge chunk. Also, I'm not very sure about the EULA of CF5. If I am right, it will only install if you have a serial number, so I don't think there's no developer mode to it. But just email me, and I'll try and send the stuff to you... ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252494 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
ColdFusion and the Pre-packed JDK Problems
ColdFusion MX 6.1 comes with a bundled JDK of its own, right? Now does that JDK bypass the JDK already installed with your OS when it executes your .jar files? I just wanna be sure, in case my assumption is wrong (though it appears logical enough that the OS JDK is bypassed). I'm asking because I get intermittent errors executing query of queries when I restart my CF server. I am thinking that maybe it has something to do with the JDBC I am using, because I don't think it should really issue any error if I am using the right JDBC, or is ColdFusion screwy like that when working with JDBCs and PostgreSQL? ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252493 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Installation Warning
Thanks. It's just freaky when you know you installed something and you can't find it. But anyways, thanks. > http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=b44edd7f > > It applies to FC4 too. > > On 16/08/06, Jerky San Pedro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tried installing CFMX 6.1 on my FC4, and I got issued a warning > that a C++ compatibility used for custom tags, webserver connectors, > and verity search. I installed the two compat-libstdc++ in my FC4 cd, > and even after I installed them, ColdFusion Installer still says that > it can't find them. What seems to be the problem here? > > > > I tried proceeding before, I managed to run ColdFusion fine, but I > got problems with the debugging template when I turned on the > debugging. Now, I am afraid that the same scenario will occur if I > proceed. Can anyone help me with this, or is this a natural thing with > Fedora. > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249946 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Installation Warning
I tried installing CFMX 6.1 on my FC4, and I got issued a warning that a C++ compatibility used for custom tags, webserver connectors, and verity search. I installed the two compat-libstdc++ in my FC4 cd, and even after I installed them, ColdFusion Installer still says that it can't find them. What seems to be the problem here? I tried proceeding before, I managed to run ColdFusion fine, but I got problems with the debugging template when I turned on the debugging. Now, I am afraid that the same scenario will occur if I proceed. Can anyone help me with this, or is this a natural thing with Fedora. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249944 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Fedora vs. RedHat
I am not yet gonna move to CentOS. I am trying Fedora on for size. I got the disappointment of a lifetime with my RHAS 2.1. I bet it was all easy when you have all RPMs at your fingertips. Any warnings on Fedora and CFMX going together? I just have one question, why shouldn't people try and run things on Windows Server if they have the money to spare. You can always substitute Apache and you wouldn't worry about IIS. Installation is a lot easier on Windows. >Tom Chiverton wrote: >>>Anything that is certified for RHEL will work on CentOS. >> >> >> But won't be supported :-) >> > >By RedHat... ;) > >-- >Warm regards, >Jordan Michaels >Vivio Technologies >http://www.viviotech.net/ >Blue Dragon Alliance Member >[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249536 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Fedora vs. RedHat
We are upgrading our server from RedHat 7.3 to Fedora 4 or 5 or to Red Hat 9.0. We are also upgrading from ColdFusion 5 to ColdFusion MX 6.1. From what I've read, it seems that support for Red Hat 9.0 has been dropped 2 years ago. This is my first time to install CF on a Linux Server, and I am actually dependent on documents and Red Hat seems like a safe choice since information from Adobe's site is readily available. Whereas for Fedora, the nearest documentation I can get is the one Adobe made for CFMX 7. I am not even sure that it's gonna work for MX 6.1, but thing is, I am tempted to use Fedora 5! Because I know Fedora is better than Red Hat. But somehow, I feel like my Linux disability would have to stop me. Any advices on a feasible plan of action? Red Hat or Fedora? Any places where I can see facts? Any help? ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249254 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4