Re: SOT: Is the Netscape browser still a consideration?
Why not bring in some users and do some usability testing? The previous solution of creating a stripped down site for NS 4.x browsers seemed viable so long as the customer (who paid for the development after all) still uses the site. My father doesn't like bells and whistles and he loved when I showed him how to turn off all the 'fluff'. --JW Who, btw, uses 4.78 as my mail client and primary web client, with IE 6 as the back up. Can't beat that IMAP implementation. Rey Bango wrote: > Hi Howard. > > The CSS issue was one of the main reasons that I started this post. I was > working on a site and implemented some design elements using styles that > really enhanced the appearance of the site. I actually did test it out in > Netscape 6.2 as well as IE 5.5 and both rendered the site beautifully. The > pain came in when I loaded up Netscape 4.7x. The site was just > non-functional and it really irritated me. So it prompted me to do some > homework to determine what other developers were doing. > > Based on the feedback so far, its seems prudent to continue to support > Netscape. I just wish that a baseline of Netscape 6.0 could be established > but such a meaningful percentage of NS 4.7 users still out there, it appears > that some workarounds will still be needed. Sigh... > > Thanks for your input. > > Rey/// > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 12:17 AM > Subject: RE: SOT: Is the Netscape browser still a consideration? > > > The site I mentioned in my previous e-mail is also an RV site. About the > > same traffic. Average age of registered users is 56. > > > > My biggest problem isn't NS users, it's WebTV users. Currently, we only > get > > about 1.5 percent WebTV, but I get complaints from them all of the time. > > Not so much design, but a lot of functionality (javascripts, form > > submissions, picture uploads) don't work or don't work as well or work > > inconsistently with WebTV (thought I haven't received a complaint in > several > > months, so maybe WebTV has improved). > > > > The redesign I'm working on right now looked great in IE. It totally falls > > apart in NS 4.7. It's totally useless in 4.7. And my code is W3 > validated. > > But CSS is a huge problem. My solution will probably be to do a browser > > redirect and send NS users to a totally stripped down version of the site. > > It will pretty much be just black text, white background and links and > > forms. No design. I want to have a site that useable for those 7 percent, > > but with such a small audience, I'm not going to waste a lot of time on > it. > > > > As far as I'm concerned (and this is just a personal opinion and how I > > approach site building), IE's won. > > > > H. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tom Nunamaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 8:09 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: SOT: Is the Netscape browser still a consideration? > > > > > > We run an RV Classified site with about 40,000 visitors per month. The > > average age of Rver's is in their early 60's. Believe it or not, about > > 1.5% of our visitors use Netscape 3.0. > > > > We've had to code in FONT tags with the CSS classes so it didn't look > > horrible in NS 3.0 > > > > Tom Nunamaker > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:04 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: SOT: Is the Netscape browser still a consideration? > > > > > > Here's my .02 cents > > > > I'm leaning towards giving more consideration to the Netscape 6.0 above > > but > > I'm not ready to declare Netscape 4.75 dead. I think there's still about > > 10 > > percent of the internet users that are using Netscape 4.75. Netscape 6.0 > > is > > coming along real nicely and I've seen some users jumping over from IE > > to > > Netscape 6.0. > > > > It would make sense if someone would overlook some of the small design > > differences between Netscape 4.75 and 6.0 +. However, I wouldn't go too > > far > > in ignoring some of the glaring layout differences. The clients we work > > with > > generally have no understanding why there's a browser war, why netscape > > 4.75 > > doesn't support some of the HTML tags as well as IE does and etc. It > > would > > hurt the contractors' reputation if they were to ignore 4.75 as of now. > > > > If anyone wants to work with IE 5.5 and Netscape 6.0+ exclusively then > > there > > are almost zero differences between those versions. It'll make your job > > much > > easier. > > > > I have a small site tracking system on my site and every one user in > > about > > 10 or 15 users are showing up with a 4.75 version. So I have no choice > > but to > > design sites for 3 different versions. Thus, I'd recommend you do the > > same > > thing. > > > > > > > > > For the longest time, I've coded my sites to take into account > >
Re: Random row from SQL
Don't most programs actually have a random number table that they draw the random numbers from? Then every time you reset the software, they begin pulling the same random numbers? We got around this one time by using the IP address, stripping the periods...raising to a power of two (or something similar) and using the resulting number as the random seed. Still not truly random but seemed (at the time 4+ years ago) "more" random. --JW Kwang Suh wrote: > You should know that the random function in SQL Server really, really > sucks. > Unless you can seed it with a number that changes constantly every ti > me > before you call the function, you'll get lots of unrandom numbers. __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Random row from SQL
I don't have the SQL for this but the logic would be: INT((RAND()*100)) which should give you a random number from 0-100. --JW "Mark A. Kruger - CFG" wrote: > Yes - I think I'm coming to the same conclusion - plus, your idea would > return an INT, but it would NOT return an int within a specified range of > ints (1 to 123 for example). > > -Original Message- > From: Haggerty, Michael A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 10:30 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Random row from SQL > > Well, you could use the RAND() function to get a random number, > multiply it > by GETDATE(), divide by 10 and use INT() to return a whole > number... but > that would be a lot of SQL. > > You are better off creating the variable in CF and passing it into the > SP. > Random numbers in SQL Server aren't really as random as we would like; > once > you reset the server the random number counter resets and you get a > repeating pattern. > > Mike > > -Original Message- > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:44 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Random row from SQL > > Yes, > > I know how to do this in CF - I was wondering if anyone had figured out > a > way to do it within a Stored proc? > > something like > > OPEN CURSOR MyAds > > FETCH NEXT ABSOLUTE Randomize(1, @maxCursorrows) INTO @ChosenRow > > .. > > I've tried using the "RAND" Function, but it is does not produce a > randome > number within a given range - it only does 0 to 1 using a seed value. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:37 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Random row from SQL > > >From memory, so the syntax might be a touch off... > > > > > ... > > > C. Hatton Humphrey > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:31 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Random row from SQL > > > > > > A while back someone posted some code to generate a random number > between > > two numbers using SQL. I'd like to be able to do that. I want to be > able > > to return a random row from among rows in an ad database. Does > > anyone have > > ideas on how this might be accomplished? > > > > Mark > > > > __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Installing HomeSite/CF Studio 5.0 when 4.5.2 is on PC
Okay...slightly off topic, but this sounds like I should seriously consider purchasing CF Studio? Right now I hand code everything (since I'm trying to learn). What advantages are there to using Studio? Currently I use: 1st Page 2000 by EvrSoft - Which has some CF tags and the ability to add more...and is free! Arachnophilia - Also free and a nice little interface for Tidy HTML Netscape Composer - Yes it writes crappy code but for initial page layout, its quick and simple. And its free! This is not a production environment. I'm teaching myself CF so I can give my informatics students a taste of dynamic page generation and the use of a web app for patient information etc. Suggestions on making this easier are welcome, probably off list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). BTW, I've learned alot from watching this list and viewing the of posts. :) --JW "Earl, George" wrote: > > Mark, > > You are right that HomeSite is a scaled down version of CF Studio, although > I like to think of it as CF Studio is a pumped up version of HomeSite . . . __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Print Friendly Web Site
One nice thing about frames is that they allow the user to print out the content of interest. Maybe on the main page you just use frames for items that would print... --JW "Carlisle, Eric" wrote: > > I'm working with a Web site obtimized for 800x600 displays. As it stands, > pages are horizontally cropping on a printout. This has concerned one of my > managers. I'm not too bothered because pages that are more likely to > printed (press releases, for instance) have seperate "print friendly" > versions (stripping out logos, navigation, etc...). Who really prints the > homepage of a Web site? :) > > Is it a bad thing to have printouts crop like that? Should good designs > accomodate printers? > > Eric Carlisle > Web Site Developer > Progress Energy IT Systems Delivery > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Phone: (919) 546-4739 > __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Slightly OT - CF and Developers Fees
One important consideration of a job with the University at which you study - they generally are very understanding about classes and time needed to attend them. Unless you work for yourself, this isn't always the case with an employer, particularly one who is paying market value for your services. --JW > Id rather attempt to get a new pay rate than to just quit..its easy to quit, > its not as easy to get what you believe in... it takes work, that is why I __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
