Re: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
AOL's caching server is currently hitting our server every three seconds. Not a clue why. Go figure. We even denied access for a while, and they still kept trying...over and over and over and over and over -d Deanna Schneider Interactive Media Developer UWEX Cooperative Extension Electronic Publishing Group 103 Extension Bldg 432 N. Lake Street Madison, WI 53706 (608) 265-7923 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
Thanks for the input. I've added the previous 'paranoid' section to my pages and it didn't seem to make a whole lot of difference. I'll try this one in the application.cfm file. But it does raise a new question im my mind. Given that the CFserver will process the application.cfm file - this solution uses CFHEADER, is the response given back to the requester an html response or an http response. In otherwords will the requestor see the header and resppond to it, does CF send something else back? Enlightenment? Thanks RIchard -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 4:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk] That one never would work correctly. I found what I was talking about: CFHEADER NAME="Expires" VALUE="DATETIME This way seems to work better and across more platforms. At 03:31 PM 9/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: Nick, do you mean this? meta http-equiv="Pragma" content="no-cache" HTH Ben -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk] sometime the problem with AOL is the way it caches everything it finds. using the cfheader tag you can manually expire the cache. I cannot remember the exact syntax but it can be done. At 03:59 PM 9/20/2000 -0600, you wrote: All, I have an paid interactive site, all CF with database queries and tests, it seems that people using AOL keep getting bumped off, and other glitches seem to happen. Enough that it causes extreme frustration. Even then the customer won't move to a regular ISP. The question is what is that AOL does in their world that causes so much grief in mine? Any insight? Is this resolveable? Are AOL and CF incompatible? Thanks, Richard - - Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Director859.245.9656 squareFish Media www.squareFish.com -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. --- --- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Nick McClure[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Director 859.245.9656 squareFish Mediawww.squareFish.com -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
At 07:42 AM 9/21/00 -0500, you wrote: AOL's caching server is currently hitting our server every three seconds. Not a clue why. Go figure. We even denied access for a while, and they still kept trying...over and over and over and over and over AOL is launching a DOS attack? -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
I am trying this because IE likes to cache graphics and we can't seem to force it to let go. It doesn't seem to work. Is there a way to tell IE to expire the graphics it takes without telling users to clear temporary internet files or renaming graphics? Mary |+--- || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | || 09/20/2000 | || 06:46 PM | || Please | || respond to | || cf-talk | || | |+--- | || | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | cc: (bcc: Mary Baotic/na/Hyperion) | | Subject: RE: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk] | | sometime the problem with AOL is the way it caches everything it finds. using the cfheader tag you can manually expire the cache. I cannot remember the exact syntax but it can be done. Something like this (shared by another cf-talker some time ago): Put this after the /head: CFHEADER Name="Expires" Value="Sun, 06 Nov 1994 08:49:37 GMT" CFHEADER NAME="pragma" VALUE="no-cache" CFHEADER NAME="cache-control" VALUE="no-cache, no-store, must-revalidate" ... or the paranoid version: CFSET gmts = gettimezoneinfo() CFSET gmt = gmts.utcHourOffset CFIF gmt EQ 0 CFSET gmt = "" CFELSEIF gmt GT 0 CFSET gmt = "+" gmt /CFIF CFHEADER NAME="Expires" VALUE="Mon, 06 Jan 1990 00:00:01 GMT" CFHEADER NAME="Pragma" VALUE="no-cache" CFHEADER NAME="cache-control" VALUE="no-cache, must-revalidate" CFHEADER NAME="Last-Modified" VALUE="#dateformat(now(), 'ddd, dd mmm ')# #timeformat(now(), 'HH:mm:ss')# GMT#gmt#" Ron Allen Hornbaker President/CTO Humankind Systems, Inc. http://humankindsystems.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
using cfcontent with your images might allow you to do this, don't have time to check though. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 11:25 AM Subject: RE: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk] I am trying this because IE likes to cache graphics and we can't seem to force it to let go. It doesn't seem to work. Is there a way to tell IE to expire the graphics it takes without telling users to clear temporary internet files or renaming graphics? Mary |+--- || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | || 09/20/2000 | || 06:46 PM | || Please | || respond to | || cf-talk | || | |+--- --- -| | | | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: (bcc: Mary Baotic/na/Hyperion) | | Subject: RE: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk] | --- -| sometime the problem with AOL is the way it caches everything it finds. using the cfheader tag you can manually expire the cache. I cannot remember the exact syntax but it can be done. Something like this (shared by another cf-talker some time ago): Put this after the /head: CFHEADER Name="Expires" Value="Sun, 06 Nov 1994 08:49:37 GMT" CFHEADER NAME="pragma" VALUE="no-cache" CFHEADER NAME="cache-control" VALUE="no-cache, no-store, must-revalidate" ... or the paranoid version: CFSET gmts = gettimezoneinfo() CFSET gmt = gmts.utcHourOffset CFIF gmt EQ 0 CFSET gmt = "" CFELSEIF gmt GT 0 CFSET gmt = "+" gmt /CFIF CFHEADER NAME="Expires" VALUE="Mon, 06 Jan 1990 00:00:01 GMT" CFHEADER NAME="Pragma" VALUE="no-cache" CFHEADER NAME="cache-control" VALUE="no-cache, must-revalidate" CFHEADER NAME="Last-Modified" VALUE="#dateformat(now(), 'ddd, dd mmm ')# #timeformat(now(), 'HH:mm:ss')# GMT#gmt#" Ron Allen Hornbaker President/CTO Humankind Systems, Inc. http://humankindsystems.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
Well, it sort of seems that way. We've contacted them and they agree that it seems excessive. We have a lot of sites under several domains all on one server. S, it could be legit. But, the server is also crashing. Of course, we also have a variety of developers working on sites - some of whom understand cold fusion and some of whom don't, but use it anyway. So, who knows, it could be some bad code.though I've looked at a lot of it and can't find anything that would kill the server. I'll let the list know what AOL does about this. -d Deanna Schneider Interactive Media Developer UWEX Cooperative Extension Electronic Publishing Group 103 Extension Bldg 432 N. Lake Street Madison, WI 53706 (608) 265-7923 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
All, I have an paid interactive site, all CF with database queries and tests, it seems that people using AOL keep getting bumped off, and other glitches seem to happen. Enough that it causes extreme frustration. Even then the customer won't move to a regular ISP. The question is what is that AOL does in their world that causes so much grief in mine? Any insight? Is this resolveable? Are AOL and CF incompatible? Thanks, Richard -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
I believe it's the little gremlins that they employ to make your life miserable that are causing the problems. If that ain't it, I haven't got a clue. -- Mark Warrick Phone: (714) 547-5386 Efax.com Fax: (801) 730-7289 Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com ICQ: 346566 -- -Original Message- From: Richard Kern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk] All, I have an paid interactive site, all CF with database queries and tests, it seems that people using AOL keep getting bumped off, and other glitches seem to happen. Enough that it causes extreme frustration. Even then the customer won't move to a regular ISP. The question is what is that AOL does in their world that causes so much grief in mine? Any insight? Is this resolveable? Are AOL and CF incompatible? Thanks, Richard -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebarRstsbodyRsts/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
sometime the problem with AOL is the way it caches everything it finds. using the cfheader tag you can manually expire the cache. I cannot remember the exact syntax but it can be done. At 03:59 PM 9/20/2000 -0600, you wrote: All, I have an paid interactive site, all CF with database queries and tests, it seems that people using AOL keep getting bumped off, and other glitches seem to happen. Enough that it causes extreme frustration. Even then the customer won't move to a regular ISP. The question is what is that AOL does in their world that causes so much grief in mine? Any insight? Is this resolveable? Are AOL and CF incompatible? Thanks, Richard -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Nick McClure[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Director 859.245.9656 squareFish Mediawww.squareFish.com -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
Mark Warrick wrote: I believe it's the little gremlins that they employ to make your life miserable that are causing the problems. I caught one of those and kept it in a jar for awhile. You can find some of the AOL quirks here: http://webmaster.info.aol.com/ In supremely cool irony, the site uses ColdFusion. Regards, Marc Garrett -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
Nick, do you mean this? meta http-equiv="Pragma" content="no-cache" HTH Ben -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk] sometime the problem with AOL is the way it caches everything it finds. using the cfheader tag you can manually expire the cache. I cannot remember the exact syntax but it can be done. At 03:59 PM 9/20/2000 -0600, you wrote: All, I have an paid interactive site, all CF with database queries and tests, it seems that people using AOL keep getting bumped off, and other glitches seem to happen. Enough that it causes extreme frustration. Even then the customer won't move to a regular ISP. The question is what is that AOL does in their world that causes so much grief in mine? Any insight? Is this resolveable? Are AOL and CF incompatible? Thanks, Richard - - Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Director859.245.9656 squareFish Media www.squareFish.com -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
sometime the problem with AOL is the way it caches everything it finds. using the cfheader tag you can manually expire the cache. I cannot remember the exact syntax but it can be done. Something like this (shared by another cf-talker some time ago): Put this after the /head: CFHEADER Name="Expires" Value="Sun, 06 Nov 1994 08:49:37 GMT" CFHEADER NAME="pragma" VALUE="no-cache" CFHEADER NAME="cache-control" VALUE="no-cache, no-store, must-revalidate" ... or the paranoid version: CFSET gmts = gettimezoneinfo() CFSET gmt = gmts.utcHourOffset CFIF gmt EQ 0 CFSET gmt = "" CFELSEIF gmt GT 0 CFSET gmt = "+" gmt /CFIF CFHEADER NAME="Expires" VALUE="Mon, 06 Jan 1990 00:00:01 GMT" CFHEADER NAME="Pragma" VALUE="no-cache" CFHEADER NAME="cache-control" VALUE="no-cache, must-revalidate" CFHEADER NAME="Last-Modified" VALUE="#dateformat(now(), 'ddd, dd mmm ')# #timeformat(now(), 'HH:mm:ss')# GMT#gmt#" Ron Allen Hornbaker President/CTO Humankind Systems, Inc. http://humankindsystems.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
That one never would work correctly. I found what I was talking about: CFHEADER NAME="Expires" VALUE="DATETIME This way seems to work better and across more platforms. At 03:31 PM 9/20/2000 -0700, you wrote: Nick, do you mean this? meta http-equiv="Pragma" content="no-cache" HTH Ben -Original Message- From: Nick McClure [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk] sometime the problem with AOL is the way it caches everything it finds. using the cfheader tag you can manually expire the cache. I cannot remember the exact syntax but it can be done. At 03:59 PM 9/20/2000 -0600, you wrote: All, I have an paid interactive site, all CF with database queries and tests, it seems that people using AOL keep getting bumped off, and other glitches seem to happen. Enough that it causes extreme frustration. Even then the customer won't move to a regular ISP. The question is what is that AOL does in their world that causes so much grief in mine? Any insight? Is this resolveable? Are AOL and CF incompatible? Thanks, Richard - - Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Director859.245.9656 squareFish Media www.squareFish.com -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Nick McClure[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Director 859.245.9656 squareFish Mediawww.squareFish.com -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
Check it out... AOL is using CF. http://webmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=529 - Original Message - From: "Marc Garrett" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 3:40 PM Subject: Re: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk] Mark Warrick wrote: I believe it's the little gremlins that they employ to make your life miserable that are causing the problems. I caught one of those and kept it in a jar for awhile. You can find some of the AOL quirks here: http://webmaster.info.aol.com/ In supremely cool irony, the site uses ColdFusion. Regards, Marc Garrett -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: AOL and interactive sites [CF-Talk]
Right. They have proxy servers to cache all pages and this causes a lot of problems for AOL customers who then believe that it is your fault (because AOL is the best ISP in existence). I used to work at a place that did live sports broadcasts and AOL customers kept hitting cached pages and couldn't get the link to the broadcast when we updated the site to make the broadcast available. So we got lots of tech support calls where AOL customers said "Why aren't you broadcasting the game?" At 06:28 PM 9/20/00 -0400, you wrote: sometime the problem with AOL is the way it caches everything it finds. using the cfheader tag you can manually expire the cache. I cannot remember the exact syntax but it can be done. At 03:59 PM 9/20/2000 -0600, you wrote: All, I have an paid interactive site, all CF with database queries and tests, it seems that people using AOL keep getting bumped off, and other glitches seem to happen. Enough that it causes extreme frustration. Even then the customer won't move to a regular ISP. The question is what is that AOL does in their world that causes so much grief in mine? Any insight? Is this resolveable? Are AOL and CF incompatible? Thanks, Richard - - Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Nick McClure[EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Director 859.245.9656 squareFish Mediawww.squareFish.com -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
