CF 5.0 and misc questions...

2000-07-19 Thread Xing Li

Anyone here knows the timetable for CF 5.0? As for the pharoh engine, is
it going to compile CFML straight to java bytecode or it it gonna
translate it to JSP as show in the tech roadmap pdf?

On to misc questions. =)

1) Has anyone gotten or know the meaning behind "Pure virtual function
call exception error" on CF 4.5.1 with W2K? A window pops up with that
error and CF continues to function. however, if you click on ok on the
pop-up windows box, cf services stops. Very very weird.

2) Another weird thing and has to do with the CFFILE i/o interaction.
CFFILE is throwing errors when it shouldn't be. This happens when CFFILE
is accessing a folder with file count larger than approx. 13800 files.
The file system is FAT32 running on W2K Advanced Server.


I'm baffled by these errors and would love to know the timeline for CF
5.0 which will finally allow us to make 24/7 programs and not have to
wait for cfschedule or someone hitting the server for it to run tasks.
I'm pretty excited. =)

Xing
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RE: CF 5.0 and misc questions...

2000-07-19 Thread Dave Watts

 Anyone here knows the timetable for CF 5.0? As for the pharoh
 engine, is it going to compile CFML straight to java bytecode
 or it it gonna translate it to JSP as show in the tech roadmap
 pdf?

I don't think anyone knows yet. I'd guess that the Java-based engine will
treat CFML scripts the same way it would treat JSP scripts; JSP scripts get
converted to servlets and "compiled" into bytecode when they're requested
the first time.

 1) Has anyone gotten or know the meaning behind "Pure virtual function
 call exception error" on CF 4.5.1 with W2K? A window pops up with that
 error and CF continues to function. however, if you click on ok on the
 pop-up windows box, cf services stops. Very very weird.

You need more memory. The only time I've seen this error is when severely
overtaxing a CF server, typically during a load test in a classroom
environment. This isn't specific to Win2K, either. In a production
environment, all other things being equal, I'd recommend an absolute minimum
of half a gig of memory, and would feel barely comfortable with a full gig.

 2) Another weird thing and has to do with the CFFILE i/o interaction.
 CFFILE is throwing errors when it shouldn't be. This happens
 when CFFILE is accessing a folder with file count larger than approx.
 13800 files. The file system is FAT32 running on W2K Advanced Server.

Uh, that's quite a few files in one directory. In general, filesystems
become inefficient when you put a lot of files in a single directory. I'd
guess that NTFS would handle it better than FAT32, because of the way NTFS
indexes work, but you might want to try using subdirectories, even if it
would otherwise make sense to store all of the files in one place.

 I'm baffled by these errors and would love to know the timeline for CF
 5.0 which will finally allow us to make 24/7 programs and not have to
 wait for cfschedule or someone hitting the server for it to run tasks.
 I'm pretty excited. =)

My advice to you is to work with what you have, without expecting the 5.0
release to solve all your problems. Remember, CF is designed to do one
thing, and one thing only - generate HTTP response data. If you want to do
something else, like run programs at arbitrary times, you can do it in CF,
but it's a kludge, and you might be better off using another tool for that
task.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444

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RE: CF 5.0 and misc questions...

2000-07-19 Thread Nicklas af Ekenstam

Dave Watts:

snip
Remember, CF is designed to do one
thing, and one thing only - generate HTTP response data. If you want to do
something else, like run programs at arbitrary times, you can do it in CF,
but it's a kludge, and you might be better off using another tool for that
task.

That's about the smartest statement I've read on this list since signing 
back on a few days ago :-)

//Nille

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Re: CF 5.0 and misc questions...

2000-07-19 Thread Erki Esken

 I don't think anyone knows yet. I'd guess that the Java-based
 engine will treat CFML scripts the same way it would treat JSP
 scripts; JSP scripts get converted to servlets and "compiled"
 into bytecode when they're requested the first time.

Does anyone know how JRun's CF_Anywhere works? CF_Anywhere already
supports some of the CFML tags (almost the same tags as CFExpress
does) so I believe Allaire will just take CF_Anywhere further and
implement all the tags in it.


Erki

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Re: CF 5.0 and misc questions...

2000-07-19 Thread Justin MacCarthy


 My advice to you is to work with what you have, without expecting the 5.0
 release to solve all your problems. Remember, CF is designed to do one
 thing, and one thing only - generate HTTP response data. If you want to do
 something else, like run programs at arbitrary times, you can do it in CF,
 but it's a kludge, and you might be better off using another tool for that
 task

On that note the guys  www.coolfusion.com
are beta-testing a product called CFTIMER  which allows you do lots of CF +
non cf Timer stuff, like run CF templates (not via HTTP!! ) , restart CF
server etc..

~Justin MacCarthy


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