Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-29 Thread stylo stylo
Here's the breakdown if interested, btw, just realized the web developer 
toolbar brings it all up nicely:

Scripts (8 files)
http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/ext-core.js 76 KB
http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/package/cfajax.js   34 KB
http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/yui/yahoo-dom-event/yahoo-dom-event.js
  28 KB
http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/messages/cfmessage.js   15 KB
http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/yui/animation/animation-min.js  
15 KB
http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/adapter/yui/ext-yui-adapter.js  
10 KB
http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/package/tabs/tabs.js10 KB
http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/package/cflayout.js 9 KB

Style Sheets (1 file)   61 KB
http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/resources/ext/css/ext-all.css   
61 KB 

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-29 Thread Andrew Scott
And thats nothing compared to a extJS web application I have written.

You have to realise that these files do things that are more than what
jQuery offer, extJS is a fairly good framework and can be used with jQuery
but once you start building JS / Ajx stuff for an application then you will
be surprised how quickly these files add up.

I think you should take your head out of the sand, before you get blinded by
your own stupidty.

Seriously. Why are you bothering, you obviously haven't done anything
serious with Ajax / GUI development as of yet. If you had this sort of
comment from you would not have appeared.

Now to make a comparison against CF8 and jQuery is like making a comparison
with a Hyundai Excel and a Jaguar.

Btw I might pick myself of the floor from laughing so hard at you in about 1
week, but it might actually be 3 weeks before I get over this stupid email
from you.



On 8/29/07, stylo stylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here's the breakdown if interested, btw, just realized the web developer
 toolbar brings it all up nicely:

 Scripts (8 files)
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/ext-core.js 76 KB
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/package/cfajax.js   34 KB

 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/yui/yahoo-dom-event/yahoo-dom-event.js
   28
 KB
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/messages/cfmessage.js   15
 KB
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/yui/animation/animation-min.js
   15
 KB

 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/adapter/yui/ext-yui-adapter.js
   10
 KB
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/package/tabs/tabs.js10
 KB
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/package/cflayout.js 9 KB

 Style Sheets (1 file)   61 KB
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/resources/ext/css/ext-all.css
 61 KB

 

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-29 Thread Rey Bango
Andrew,

I'm in the fortunate position of being part of both the Ext and jQuery 
project teams. First, let me say that jQuery is in no way a Hyundai 
Excel. A better analogy would be to day that its like comparing a 
Ferrari (jQuery) to a Mercedes-Benz CL 600 (Ext). Both provide a 
tremendous amount of functionality and both target different audiences.

jQuery is a very streamlined library which is best suited for 
consumer-facing websites that want to enhance the UX with Ajax  
effects. Its fast and sporty and helps you get what you need quickly; 
just like a Ferrari.

Ext can certainly be used for consumer-facing websites but what we've 
seen is that most users, because of its rich UI control set, tend to use 
it to build full blown desktop-like applications. Its got speed and a 
hole lotta bells and whistles which make building desktop-like apps a 
breeze. If you want high-end luxury and performance, like a 
Mercedes-Benz CL 600, then you use Ext v1.1.

So what I ask is that you not be so quick to dismiss jQuery especially 
since companies Digg, MSNBC, Intel, Intuit,  Salesforce.com (HUGE ERP) 
seem to be doing quite well with it.

If you ask me which one I prefer, I would tell you that for consumer 
facing sites, I prefer the leanness of jQuery but for a true desktop 
experience, I prefer Ext. And yes, I work with both libraries and love 
them both. Both libraries are incredibly robust and cater to different 
segments.

On a final note, you really should ease up on calling someone stupid. 
While you may not agree with someone else's opinion (and you're 
certainly not expected to), I think your last post was a little over the 
top.

Rey...

Andrew Scott wrote:
 And thats nothing compared to a extJS web application I have written.
 
 You have to realise that these files do things that are more than what
 jQuery offer, extJS is a fairly good framework and can be used with jQuery
 but once you start building JS / Ajx stuff for an application then you will
 be surprised how quickly these files add up.
 
 I think you should take your head out of the sand, before you get blinded by
 your own stupidty.
 
 Seriously. Why are you bothering, you obviously haven't done anything
 serious with Ajax / GUI development as of yet. If you had this sort of
 comment from you would not have appeared.
 
 Now to make a comparison against CF8 and jQuery is like making a comparison
 with a Hyundai Excel and a Jaguar.
 
 Btw I might pick myself of the floor from laughing so hard at you in about 1
 week, but it might actually be 3 weeks before I get over this stupid email
 from you.
 
 
 
 On 8/29/07, stylo stylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here's the breakdown if interested, btw, just realized the web developer
 toolbar brings it all up nicely:

 Scripts (8 files)
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/ext-core.js 76 KB
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/package/cfajax.js   34 KB

 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/yui/yahoo-dom-event/yahoo-dom-event.js
   28
 KB
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/messages/cfmessage.js   15
 KB
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/yui/animation/animation-min.js   
15
 KB

 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/adapter/yui/ext-yui-adapter.js
   10
 KB
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/package/tabs/tabs.js10
 KB
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/package/cflayout.js 9 KB

 Style Sheets (1 file)   61 KB
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/resources/ext/css/ext-all.css
 61 KB


 
 

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-29 Thread Andrew Scott
I am not knocking jQuery

I am knocking the stupid response made about the amount of includes that CF8
has to do its Job.

I have used jQuery and I agree that its a good little framework, I have also
used extJS and consider that an even better addition when using it in
combination with jQuery.

But my point lies in the amount of JS code that is needed by CF to do its
job, and by making a stupid ass comment that the idot made will piss more
people off because it comes from his lack of understanding on what a large
scale application needs in JS to achieve what it needs to do.

Now if jQuery can provide all that functionality with so little code then I
challenge that user to write the same functionality that CF8 provideswithout
adding extra JS code to his application.

Enough Said on the matter.



On 8/29/07, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Andrew,

 I'm in the fortunate position of being part of both the Ext and jQuery
 project teams. First, let me say that jQuery is in no way a Hyundai
 Excel. A better analogy would be to day that its like comparing a
 Ferrari (jQuery) to a Mercedes-Benz CL 600 (Ext). Both provide a
 tremendous amount of functionality and both target different audiences.

 jQuery is a very streamlined library which is best suited for
 consumer-facing websites that want to enhance the UX with Ajax 
 effects. Its fast and sporty and helps you get what you need quickly;
 just like a Ferrari.

 Ext can certainly be used for consumer-facing websites but what we've
 seen is that most users, because of its rich UI control set, tend to use
 it to build full blown desktop-like applications. Its got speed and a
 hole lotta bells and whistles which make building desktop-like apps a
 breeze. If you want high-end luxury and performance, like a
 Mercedes-Benz CL 600, then you use Ext v1.1.

 So what I ask is that you not be so quick to dismiss jQuery especially
 since companies Digg, MSNBC, Intel, Intuit,  Salesforce.com (HUGE ERP)
 seem to be doing quite well with it.

 If you ask me which one I prefer, I would tell you that for consumer
 facing sites, I prefer the leanness of jQuery but for a true desktop
 experience, I prefer Ext. And yes, I work with both libraries and love
 them both. Both libraries are incredibly robust and cater to different
 segments.

 On a final note, you really should ease up on calling someone stupid.
 While you may not agree with someone else's opinion (and you're
 certainly not expected to), I think your last post was a little over the
 top.

 Rey...

 Andrew Scott wrote:
  And thats nothing compared to a extJS web application I have written.
 
  You have to realise that these files do things that are more than what
  jQuery offer, extJS is a fairly good framework and can be used with
 jQuery
  but once you start building JS / Ajx stuff for an application then you
 will
  be surprised how quickly these files add up.
 
  I think you should take your head out of the sand, before you get
 blinded by
  your own stupidty.
 
  Seriously. Why are you bothering, you obviously haven't done anything
  serious with Ajax / GUI development as of yet. If you had this sort of
  comment from you would not have appeared.
 
  Now to make a comparison against CF8 and jQuery is like making a
 comparison
  with a Hyundai Excel and a Jaguar.
 
  Btw I might pick myself of the floor from laughing so hard at you in
 about 1
  week, but it might actually be 3 weeks before I get over this stupid
 email
  from you.
 
 
 
  On 8/29/07, stylo stylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Here's the breakdown if interested, btw, just realized the web
 developer
  toolbar brings it all up nicely:
 
  Scripts (8 files)
  http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/ext-core.js 76 KB
  http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/package/cfajax.js   34 KB
 
 
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/yui/yahoo-dom-event/yahoo-dom-event.js
   28
  KB
  http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/messages/cfmessage.js
 15
  KB
 
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/yui/animation/animation-min.js
   15
  KB
 
 
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/adapter/yui/ext-yui-adapter.js
   10
  KB
  http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/ext/package/tabs/tabs.js
 10
  KB
  http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/package/cflayout.js 9 KB
 
  Style Sheets (1 file)   61 KB
 
 http://code.fraser.id.au/CFIDE/scripts/ajax/resources/ext/css/ext-all.css
  61 KB
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-29 Thread Rey Bango
Hi Andrew,

There's a little more that needs to be said.

 I am not knocking jQuery

Then I take it you agree that my analogy is a little better. Comparing 
jQuery to a Hyundai Excel was a bit of a knock and I hope I've offered a 
different perspective by comparing it to a Ferrari.

 I am knocking the stupid response made about the amount of includes that CF8
 has to do its Job.

The amount of files and the size of those files is a concern that's been 
expressed by others, including myself. So based on your opinion, should 
I now assume we're stupid as well? To be more precise, my blog postings 
and efforts to minimize the file size included in CF8 are well 
documented and was a conduit for getting Adobe to realize the impact 
that a 700k page size for something as simple as a CFDIV. In fact, I've 
been thanked by Adobe for bringing it to their attention as they 
realized that this merited more attention.

Page size is a realistic concern and should not be taken for granted. 
Even Yahoo has published a study which shows that 40-60% of their users 
have an empty cache experience: 
http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/01/04/performance-research-part-2/

 I have used jQuery and I agree that its a good little framework, I have also
 used extJS and consider that an even better addition when using it in
 combination with jQuery.

Yep, its a great combination and John Resig and I were very happy when 
Jack incorporated the jQuery adapter into Ext. I continue to work with 
both Jack and John on that integration.

 But my point lies in the amount of JS code that is needed by CF to do its
 job, and by making a stupid ass comment that the idot made will piss more
 people off because it comes from his lack of understanding on what a large
 scale application needs in JS to achieve what it needs to do.

He could've phrased his reply a little better to point out the 
advantages  disadvantages off both libraries but I don't think that 
you've handled it any better by diminishing his concern and, on top of 
that, referring to his comments as stupid.

Rey...

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-29 Thread Matt Williams
On 8/29/07, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There's a little more that needs to be said.

  I am not knocking jQuery

 Then I take it you agree that my analogy is a little better. Comparing
 jQuery to a Hyundai Excel was a bit of a knock and I hope I've offered a
 different perspective by comparing it to a Ferrari.

Rey, I think you mis-read Andrew's comment:

Now to make a comparison against CF8 and jQuery is like making a comparison
with a Hyundai Excel and a Jaguar.

This means that CF8 is the Hyundai (as far as it's Javascript
abilities) and jQuery is the Jaguar.

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-29 Thread Rey Bango
Hi Matt,

Its possible that I may have misread it. Unfortunately, Andrew didn't 
clarify it in his last post. If I did misinterpret it, I'll be glad to 
apologize.

Andrew?

Rey...

Matt Williams wrote:
 On 8/29/07, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There's a little more that needs to be said.

 I am not knocking jQuery
 Then I take it you agree that my analogy is a little better. Comparing
 jQuery to a Hyundai Excel was a bit of a knock and I hope I've offered a
 different perspective by comparing it to a Ferrari.
 
 Rey, I think you mis-read Andrew's comment:
 
 Now to make a comparison against CF8 and jQuery is like making a comparison
 with a Hyundai Excel and a Jaguar.
 
 This means that CF8 is the Hyundai (as far as it's Javascript
 abilities) and jQuery is the Jaguar.
 

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-29 Thread stylo stylo
Andrew, here's your post about Railo javascript the other day:

  by the looks of the generated code it is very bloated to say the least as 
well.

And now you're having a hissy fit because someone pointed out that a simple tab 
example doesn't need 258kbs? Try to read what people actually post, and reply 
somewhat objectively and civilly. If you really must insult, always do it with 
style.

And thats nothing compared to a extJS web application I have written.

I'm sure your dick is huge too ;-) 

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-29 Thread Andrew Scott
Railo is different...

The dump tag, generates way to much JS and there is a function generated for
each and every element that collapses.

But fair point.



On 8/30/07, stylo stylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Andrew, here's your post about Railo javascript the other day:

 by the looks of the generated code it is very bloated to say the least as
 well.

 And now you're having a hissy fit because someone pointed out that a
 simple tab example doesn't need 258kbs? Try to read what people actually
 post, and reply somewhat objectively and civilly. If you really must insult,
 always do it with style.

 And thats nothing compared to a extJS web application I have written.

 I'm sure your dick is huge too ;-)

 

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RE: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-28 Thread Rakshith N
That's right Andrew.

By the way, the nbsp; is being included out there to avoid a weird issue 
that happens with the tabs on Safari.

Try this sample code and access it on safari:

cflayout type=tab tabheight=500
cflayoutarea title=Tab 1 overflow=visible
br
cfform name=mycfform1 action=#cgi.SCRIPT_NAME# 
method=post
HI, i m tab one!
/cfform
/cflayoutarea 

/cflayout 

You will see that it works fine. Now if you try the same with nbsp; removed, 
the tab contents just vanish.

We will see what can be done to resolve the issue soon.

Rakshith
Adobe ColdFusion Team

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF8 Tab Issue

LOL,

And you should get a life.

No seriously, even with extJS you need to have just as many js includes as
well. But the functionality that it provides far out ways what jQuery can
provide.


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-Original Message-
From: stylo stylo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2007 3:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF8 Tab Issue

I have what should be a really simple Tab example.

And an absolutely insane amount of js and css added to the page for it - 9
includes! It's ridiculous and should not be used. 

Seriously, do your own javascript. Go get jquery (about 20kbs for the entire
library) and the jquery tabs plugin and forget all that nonsense. 





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RE: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-28 Thread Andrew Scott
Now that's funny

You add support for a very low browser usage, and yet you can't add support
for Vista 64bit.

BTW you might want to look at my Blog for other small issues.

http://www.andyscott.id.au/index.cfm/2007/8/10/Coldfusion-8-and-Ajax-UI-prob
lems



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-Original Message-
From: Rakshith N [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2007 4:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF8 Tab Issue

That's right Andrew.

By the way, the nbsp; is being included out there to avoid a weird issue
that happens with the tabs on Safari.

Try this sample code and access it on safari:

cflayout type=tab tabheight=500
cflayoutarea title=Tab 1 overflow=visible
br
cfform name=mycfform1 action=#cgi.SCRIPT_NAME#
method=post
HI, i m tab one!
/cfform
/cflayoutarea 

/cflayout 

You will see that it works fine. Now if you try the same with nbsp;
removed, the tab contents just vanish.

We will see what can be done to resolve the issue soon.

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-28 Thread James Holmes
Still broken...

On 8/28/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 BTW you might want to look at my Blog for other small issues.

 http://www.andyscott.id.au/index.cfm/2007/8/10/Coldfusion-8-and-Ajax-UI-prob
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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-28 Thread Andrew Scott
Yeah this hosting provider is really pissing me off, with their database
server.



On 8/28/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Still broken...

 On 8/28/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  BTW you might want to look at my Blog for other small issues.
 
 
 http://www.andyscott.id.au/index.cfm/2007/8/10/Coldfusion-8-and-Ajax-UI-prob
  lems

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RE: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-28 Thread Dale Fraser
Worked for me.

You should get your blog in some aggregators then people might become more
aware of these issues you have raised.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dalefraser.blogspot.com

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2007 6:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF8 Tab Issue

Yeah this hosting provider is really pissing me off, with their database
server.



On 8/28/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Still broken...

 On 8/28/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  BTW you might want to look at my Blog for other small issues.
 
 

http://www.andyscott.id.au/index.cfm/2007/8/10/Coldfusion-8-and-Ajax-UI-prob
  lems

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-28 Thread James Holmes
And this is in the first 5 minutes of my attempt to use Coldfusion 8.

Was that 5 minutes during the beta and were the bugs reported in the
bug tracker?

On 8/28/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Worked for me.

 You should get your blog in some aggregators then people might become more
 aware of these issues you have raised.

 Regards
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 http://dalefraser.blogspot.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2007 6:54 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CF8 Tab Issue

 Yeah this hosting provider is really pissing me off, with their database
 server.



 On 8/28/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Still broken...
 
  On 8/28/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   BTW you might want to look at my Blog for other small issues.
  
  
 
 http://www.andyscott.id.au/index.cfm/2007/8/10/Coldfusion-8-and-Ajax-UI-prob
   lems
 
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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-28 Thread Andrew Scott
The bugs never existed in the beta or public release.



On 8/28/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And this is in the first 5 minutes of my attempt to use Coldfusion 8.

 Was that 5 minutes during the beta and were the bugs reported in the
 bug tracker?

 On 8/28/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Worked for me.
 
  You should get your blog in some aggregators then people might become
 more
  aware of these issues you have raised.
 
  Regards
  Dale Fraser
 
  http://dalefraser.blogspot.com
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2007 6:54 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: CF8 Tab Issue
 
  Yeah this hosting provider is really pissing me off, with their database
  server.
 
 
 
  On 8/28/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Still broken...
  
   On 8/28/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
BTW you might want to look at my Blog for other small issues.
   
   
  
 
 http://www.andyscott.id.au/index.cfm/2007/8/10/Coldfusion-8-and-Ajax-UI-prob
lems
  
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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-28 Thread James Holmes
Ah, now that's interesting - things broke after the release candidate
I guess. Thanks for the info - we currently use the latest version of
Ext anyway, so these sound like more reasons to stick with it.

On 8/28/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The bugs never existed in the beta or public release.



 On 8/28/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  And this is in the first 5 minutes of my attempt to use Coldfusion 8.
 
  Was that 5 minutes during the beta and were the bugs reported in the
  bug tracker?

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-28 Thread Rey Bango
Just wait till you see Ext 2.0. ;)

Rey

James Holmes wrote:
 Ah, now that's interesting - things broke after the release candidate
 I guess. Thanks for the info - we currently use the latest version of
 Ext anyway, so these sound like more reasons to stick with it.
 
 On 8/28/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The bugs never existed in the beta or public release.



 On 8/28/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And this is in the first 5 minutes of my attempt to use Coldfusion 8.

 Was that 5 minutes during the beta and were the bugs reported in the
 bug tracker?
 

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-28 Thread James Holmes
Yeah, we'll have to team it up with JQuery won't we :-)

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-28 Thread stylo stylo
Have you weighed up all those wondrous cf includes? ***258kbs***!!! It's 
insane. 

even with extJS you need to have just as many js includes as well. 

No, because you've got 3 CF-specific js files included to start. Then there's 
even a 60kb generic css file included. Yui is bloated but if yui/ext requires 
massive generic includes to run anything it's a problem, though cf seems to be 
dumping every possible file in that might be needed. The whole cflayout looks 
to be avoided to me.

I'm no jquery fanboy, just use anything that doesn't require a massive, 
ridiculous 258kbs of generic includes for a simple tab system.



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RE: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-27 Thread Dale Fraser
Your site is down.

[Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. Connection
refused: connect

Can I buy a clue

Regards
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-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 27 August 2007 3:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF8 Tab Issue

Dale,

Yep, I blogged this awhile ago...

http://www.andyscott.id.au/index.cfm/2007/8/10/Coldfusion-8-and-Ajax-UI-prob
lems



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-Original Message-
From: Dale Fraser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 27 August 2007 2:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF8 Tab Issue

I have what should be a really simple Tab example.

 

But the tabs seem to contain a nbsp; on the first line of each tab.

 

This is going to ruin the look of what I want to do with tabs, and i'm
thinking that there must be a way around this.

 

Have a look at this code.

 

!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN

html

 titleTabs/title

 body

cflayout type=tab tabheight=350

cflayoutarea title=Exampleline1br /line2/cflayoutarea

/cflayout

 /body

/html

 

And the result

 

http://code.fraser.id.au/tabs.cfm

 

Any ideas?

 

Regards

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RE: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-27 Thread Dale Fraser
Sorry fixed now. But still has the extra space

http://code.fraser.id.au/tabs.cfm

Regards
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Sent: Monday, 27 August 2007 3:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF8 Tab Issue

On 8/26/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://code.fraser.id.au/tabs.cfm

I see

Error Occurred While Processing Request
Attribute validation error for tag CFLAYOUTAREA.

The tag does not allow the attribute(s) ID. The valid attribute(s) are
ALIGN,CLOSABLE,COLLAPSIBLE,DISABLED,INITCOLLAPSED,INITHIDE,MAXSIZE,MINSIZE,N
AME,ONBINDERROR,OVERFLOW,POSITION,REFRESHONACTIVATE,SELECTED,SIZE,SOURCE,SPL
ITTER,STYLE,TITLE.
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RE: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-27 Thread Dale Fraser
I assume that this nbsp; is put in there to ensure the div isn't empty.

But since I'm putting content in, it seems odd.

I have discovered that if you use a source url then the space won't be
there. I imagine that there is some javascript way of getting rid of it, but
it's a bit odd as I've seen other examples with Screen Shot results. I
guess that's why I like live examples.

Regards
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-Original Message-
From: Dale Fraser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 27 August 2007 4:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF8 Tab Issue

Sorry fixed now. But still has the extra space

http://code.fraser.id.au/tabs.cfm

Regards
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Sent: Monday, 27 August 2007 3:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF8 Tab Issue

On 8/26/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://code.fraser.id.au/tabs.cfm

I see

Error Occurred While Processing Request
Attribute validation error for tag CFLAYOUTAREA.

The tag does not allow the attribute(s) ID. The valid attribute(s) are
ALIGN,CLOSABLE,COLLAPSIBLE,DISABLED,INITCOLLAPSED,INITHIDE,MAXSIZE,MINSIZE,N
AME,ONBINDERROR,OVERFLOW,POSITION,REFRESHONACTIVATE,SELECTED,SIZE,SOURCE,SPL
ITTER,STYLE,TITLE.
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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-27 Thread Rey Bango
Dale,

I contacted Adobe about it and they will be looking into this. No ETA on 
a response but they are, at the very least, aware of it now.

Rey...

Dale Fraser wrote:
 I have what should be a really simple Tab example.
 
  
 
 But the tabs seem to contain a nbsp; on the first line of each tab.
 
  
 
 This is going to ruin the look of what I want to do with tabs, and i'm
 thinking that there must be a way around this.
 
  
 
 Have a look at this code.
 
  
 
 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
 
 html
 
  titleTabs/title
 
  body
 
 cflayout type=tab tabheight=350
 
 cflayoutarea title=Exampleline1br /line2/cflayoutarea
 
 /cflayout
 
  /body
 
 /html
 
  
 
 And the result
 
  
 
 http://code.fraser.id.au/tabs.cfm
 
  
 
 Any ideas?
 
  
 
 Regards
 
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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-27 Thread Andrew Scott
They should be, before I blogged it I filed it as a bug.



On 8/28/07, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dale,

 I contacted Adobe about it and they will be looking into this. No ETA on
 a response but they are, at the very least, aware of it now.

 Rey...

 Dale Fraser wrote:
  I have what should be a really simple Tab example.
 
 
 
  But the tabs seem to contain a nbsp; on the first line of each tab.
 
 
 
  This is going to ruin the look of what I want to do with tabs, and i'm
  thinking that there must be a way around this.
 
 
 
  Have a look at this code.
 
 
 
  !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
 
  html
 
   titleTabs/title
 
   body
 
  cflayout type=tab tabheight=350
 
  cflayoutarea title=Exampleline1br
 /line2/cflayoutarea
 
  /cflayout
 
   /body
 
  /html
 
 
 
  And the result
 
 
 
  http://code.fraser.id.au/tabs.cfm
 
 
 
  Any ideas?
 
 
 
  Regards
 
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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-27 Thread Rey Bango
I can't tell you if they were or not. I just know that they are now.

Rey...

Andrew Scott wrote:
 They should be, before I blogged it I filed it as a bug.
 
 
 
 On 8/28/07, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dale,

 I contacted Adobe about it and they will be looking into this. No ETA on
 a response but they are, at the very least, aware of it now.

 Rey...

 Dale Fraser wrote:
 I have what should be a really simple Tab example.



 But the tabs seem to contain a nbsp; on the first line of each tab.



 This is going to ruin the look of what I want to do with tabs, and i'm
 thinking that there must be a way around this.



 Have a look at this code.



 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN

 html

  titleTabs/title

  body

 cflayout type=tab tabheight=350

 cflayoutarea title=Exampleline1br
 /line2/cflayoutarea
 /cflayout

  /body

 /html



 And the result



 http://code.fraser.id.au/tabs.cfm



 Any ideas?



 Regards

 Dale Fraser



  http://dalefraser.blogspot.com http://dalefraser.blogspot.com







 
 

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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-27 Thread stylo stylo
I have what should be a really simple Tab example.

And an absolutely insane amount of js and css added to the page for it - 9 
includes! It's ridiculous and should not be used. 

Seriously, do your own javascript. Go get jquery (about 20kbs for the entire 
library) and the jquery tabs plugin and forget all that nonsense. 

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RE: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-27 Thread Andrew Scott
LOL,

And you should get a life.

No seriously, even with extJS you need to have just as many js includes as
well. But the functionality that it provides far out ways what jQuery can
provide.


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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF8 Tab Issue

I have what should be a really simple Tab example.

And an absolutely insane amount of js and css added to the page for it - 9
includes! It's ridiculous and should not be used. 

Seriously, do your own javascript. Go get jquery (about 20kbs for the entire
library) and the jquery tabs plugin and forget all that nonsense. 



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CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-26 Thread Dale Fraser
I have what should be a really simple Tab example.

 

But the tabs seem to contain a nbsp; on the first line of each tab.

 

This is going to ruin the look of what I want to do with tabs, and i'm
thinking that there must be a way around this.

 

Have a look at this code.

 

!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN

html

 titleTabs/title

 body

cflayout type=tab tabheight=350

cflayoutarea title=Exampleline1br /line2/cflayoutarea

/cflayout

 /body

/html

 

And the result

 

http://code.fraser.id.au/tabs.cfm

 

Any ideas?

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

 http://dalefraser.blogspot.com http://dalefraser.blogspot.com

 



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RE: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-26 Thread Andrew Scott
Dale,

Yep, I blogged this awhile ago...

http://www.andyscott.id.au/index.cfm/2007/8/10/Coldfusion-8-and-Ajax-UI-prob
lems



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-Original Message-
From: Dale Fraser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 27 August 2007 2:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF8 Tab Issue

I have what should be a really simple Tab example.

 

But the tabs seem to contain a nbsp; on the first line of each tab.

 

This is going to ruin the look of what I want to do with tabs, and i'm
thinking that there must be a way around this.

 

Have a look at this code.

 

!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN

html

 titleTabs/title

 body

cflayout type=tab tabheight=350

cflayoutarea title=Exampleline1br /line2/cflayoutarea

/cflayout

 /body

/html

 

And the result

 

http://code.fraser.id.au/tabs.cfm

 

Any ideas?

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

 http://dalefraser.blogspot.com http://dalefraser.blogspot.com

 





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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-26 Thread Sean Corfield
On 8/26/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://code.fraser.id.au/tabs.cfm

I see

Error Occurred While Processing Request
Attribute validation error for tag CFLAYOUTAREA.

The tag does not allow the attribute(s) ID. The valid attribute(s) are
ALIGN,CLOSABLE,COLLAPSIBLE,DISABLED,INITCOLLAPSED,INITHIDE,MAXSIZE,MINSIZE,NAME,ONBINDERROR,OVERFLOW,POSITION,REFRESHONACTIVATE,SELECTED,SIZE,SOURCE,SPLITTER,STYLE,TITLE.
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Re: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-26 Thread James Holmes
I was interested in reading the solution, but your site is throwing:

 Error Executing Database Query.
[Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket.
Connection refused: connect

On 8/27/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dale,

 Yep, I blogged this awhile ago...

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 lems



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 -Original Message-
 From: Dale Fraser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, 27 August 2007 2:59 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: CF8 Tab Issue

 I have what should be a really simple Tab example.



 But the tabs seem to contain a nbsp; on the first line of each tab.



 This is going to ruin the look of what I want to do with tabs, and i'm
 thinking that there must be a way around this.



 Have a look at this code.



 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN

 html

  titleTabs/title

  body

 cflayout type=tab tabheight=350

 cflayoutarea title=Exampleline1br /line2/cflayoutarea

 /cflayout

  /body

 /html



 And the result



 http://code.fraser.id.au/tabs.cfm



 Any ideas?



 Regards

 Dale Fraser



  http://dalefraser.blogspot.com http://dalefraser.blogspot.com







 

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RE: CF8 Tab Issue

2007-08-26 Thread Andrew Scott
There is no Solution, Coldfusion has the nbsp; embedded in the tags for
some unknown reason.

And yes I know about the Datasource issue, the hosting provider has reset
the database. One of my pet hates with this hosting site is that the DB is
not clustered.



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Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613  8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273



-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 27 August 2007 3:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF8 Tab Issue

I was interested in reading the solution, but your site is throwing:

 Error Executing Database Query.
[Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket.
Connection refused: connect

On 8/27/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dale,

 Yep, I blogged this awhile ago...


http://www.andyscott.id.au/index.cfm/2007/8/10/Coldfusion-8-and-Ajax-UI-prob
 lems



 Andrew Scott
 Senior Coldfusion Developer
 Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
 www.aegeon.com.au
 Phone:+613 8676 4223
 Mobile: 0404 998 273



 -Original Message-
 From: Dale Fraser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, 27 August 2007 2:59 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: CF8 Tab Issue

 I have what should be a really simple Tab example.



 But the tabs seem to contain a nbsp; on the first line of each tab.



 This is going to ruin the look of what I want to do with tabs, and i'm
 thinking that there must be a way around this.



 Have a look at this code.



 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN

 html

  titleTabs/title

  body

 cflayout type=tab tabheight=350

 cflayoutarea title=Exampleline1br /line2/cflayoutarea

 /cflayout

  /body

 /html



 And the result



 http://code.fraser.id.au/tabs.cfm



 Any ideas?



 Regards

 Dale Fraser



  http://dalefraser.blogspot.com http://dalefraser.blogspot.com







 



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