RE: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe
We use VSS for all development. We develop in ColdFusion, Visual FoxPro, Visual Basic, SQL Server and a few more and all of it is in VSS. In fact when we write specification documents and prototype screens we store those in VSS. As far as CF development (or web development in general) we point all of our working directories to our development web server and do everything there. The only "rule" we have is if multiple developers are working on the same project you only check out what you are working on. The other benefit we found is that we have some standard files that we use in all CF applications (error trapping, common Java scripts, etc). In this case we shared these files between multiple projects so as we enhance the code all previous projects will be updated as well. We do everything with manual checkouts. We have tried integrating VSS with the various development packages and found that the automatic checkin/checkout seemed to slow everything to a crawl. We found it faster to just keep a copy of VSS running and Alt-Tab to it and checkout a file when we needed it. Supposedly there is an integration between SQL Server and VSS. I had one of my developers try to get it working. He sorta got it working but the way it is implemented just didn't fit how we work very well. You also end up needing to install a bunch of development tools on your SQL Server. If you want more information on this let me know and I'll get the information on how to do the integration. __ Bill Grover Supervisor MIS Phone: 301.424.3300 x3324 EU Services, Inc. FAX:301.424.3696 649 North Horners Lane E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rockville, MD 20850-1299WWW:http://www.euservices.com __ > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:35 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe > > > We use VSS here. > > Integration wise things are pretty good... we have to > manually check files > in and out and it logs everything, which is the main reason > that it's usage > was implemented. It does also make things a bit less > confusing. We handle > a large number of projects, both large and small and new and > old... VSS > gives us one place to look for the source of any of it. It > has also helped > us locate those frustrating "what changed" problems. This > can be a pain for > us where we have 8 developers and multiple devel servers. > > The downside is that anyone with direct access to the server > can bypass it. > Oh, that plus the fact that there is no integration with MS > SQL Server. > > Good luck! > Hatton Humphrey > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Jaye Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:28 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe > > > > > > Hope this is not too OT. Are there any dev teams uisng > Visual Source > > Safe for their code (or similar product)? Did you find it useful? > > > > > > // Jaye Morris, Multimedia Designer > > > __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe
I've used PVCS Version Manager (similar to VSS) with success in the past. If you integrate it into Studio, it works pretty well. - Original Message - From: "Jaye Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 3:28 PM Subject: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe > Hope this is not too OT. Are there any dev teams uisng Visual Source > Safe for their code (or similar product)? Did you find it useful? > > > // Jaye Morris, Multimedia Designer > __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe
> Hope this is not too OT. Are there any dev teams uisng Visual Source > Safe for their code (or similar product)? Did you find it useful? Our team is currently using it for one project and while it is useful we're looking at moving to CVS instead. The main problem is a lack of cross platform tools (there is a Mac version but its an older version of the database format) and the lack of net tools. We can access CVS via a wide range of tools and also access CVS remotely. But if you're not interested in using CVS then VSS is a much better alternative to nothing at all. The most useful thing, to my mind, is the history features that allow you to see when a file was modified, by whom and even allow you to view any change notes they added. __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe
And, as with any versioning system, your source control is only as good a s long as all users agree to use it consistently. Agree??? I didn't have a choice. I was pretty much told to use it, or go elsewhere. (hmmm that sounds more extreme than it was...) __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe
Speaking of Source Control, does anyone here have experience with Perforce. Better yet, anyone here with experience in both VSS and Perforce that might be able to address differences/benefits of one over the other. Ken __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe
Source control in general is a good idea for being able to work on multip le versions of a codebase by several developers (as well as being able to re cover more easily from an "oops"-type maneuver. We use VSS here for both ColdF usion templates for web apps and desktop application development. (ColdFusion' s integration with VSS appears to be fairly decent, albeit managing files t hru projects can be slow at times, esp. with large numbers of files in the pr oject.) We use VSS also in handling versioning on database scripts. You can also check out files to your own working directory and edit those separately using t he editor of your choice. We also use CVS for an older set of C CGI code and various Unix/Linux scr ipts. I'd move to using ColdFusion with CVS if there was a decent interface to it from ColdFusion. You can check out files to a working directory and edit usin g ColdFusion (or editor of choice) from there with CVS, also. And, as with any versioning system, your source control is only as good a s long as all users agree to use it consistently. Regards, Joel Parramore > -Original Message- > From: Jaye Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:28 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe > > > Hope this is not too OT. Are there any dev teams uisng Visual Source > Safe for their code (or similar product)? Did you find it useful? > > > // Jaye Morris, Multimedia Designer > __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe
We use it extensively for all of our projects - CF and otherwise. For our web apps, it's pretty handy for each developer to use the same working folder on the development server. But you have to be aware of who has what checked out in that case. VSS saved our buts once or twice when files became corrupted - we were able to just retrieve the next one back in the history. On the other hand, we did have some problems with the VSS database becoming messed up. We ended up fixing it when new servers were installed (we were functional, but just had to be extra careful). I wouldn't approach any commercial venture with out version control of some sort. Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Jaye Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe Hope this is not too OT. Are there any dev teams uisng Visual Source Safe for their code (or similar product)? Did you find it useful? // Jaye Morris, Multimedia Designer __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe
I used the two together for a few years, it saved my bacon a few times too!! I found it very useful for several reasons including, a history of changes, code could be recoevered in the event of deleting files, and the ability to rollback to any previous version of the file. All normal source control things really. Since switching to Linux for development, I still use Source Control in the form of cvs. Wouldn't code without it now! N Jaye Morris wrote: > > Hope this is not too OT. Are there any dev teams uisng Visual Source > Safe for their code (or similar product)? Did you find it useful? > > // Jaye Morris, Multimedia Designer > __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe
Jaye Morris: > Hope this is not too OT. Are there any dev teams uisng Visual Source > Safe for their code (or similar product)? Did you find it useful? The last place I worked used it and there weren't many problems with using it. And, it did make it easier to roll back code when things didn't go quite as planned. Scott -- Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe
We use VSS here. Integration wise things are pretty good... we have to manually check files in and out and it logs everything, which is the main reason that it's usage was implemented. It does also make things a bit less confusing. We handle a large number of projects, both large and small and new and old... VSS gives us one place to look for the source of any of it. It has also helped us locate those frustrating "what changed" problems. This can be a pain for us where we have 8 developers and multiple devel servers. The downside is that anyone with direct access to the server can bypass it. Oh, that plus the fact that there is no integration with MS SQL Server. Good luck! Hatton Humphrey > -Original Message- > From: Jaye Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:28 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe > > > Hope this is not too OT. Are there any dev teams uisng Visual Source > Safe for their code (or similar product)? Did you find it useful? > > > // Jaye Morris, Multimedia Designer > __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe
At The Limited, some groups are using SourceSafe for CF source control. We have integrated SourceSafe at the client side only. Some use project files and automatic check-in/out. Others simply manually check in/out the files. I personally think it is great. Some people here do not like it, but I can't stand developing without source control. If you would like any more information, please do not hesitate to let me know. Thanks ___ Tony Weaver Limited Technology Services Advanced Technologies Group Three Limited Parkway Columbus, Ohio 43230 614.415.7647 -Original Message- From: Jaye Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe Hope this is not too OT. Are there any dev teams uisng Visual Source Safe for their code (or similar product)? Did you find it useful? // Jaye Morris, Multimedia Designer __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Cold Fusion and Visual Source Safe
Hope this is not too OT. Are there any dev teams uisng Visual Source Safe for their code (or similar product)? Did you find it useful? // Jaye Morris, Multimedia Designer __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
