RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
This sounds like something I saw blogged a couple of years ago called Hedonists Delima.You can read about the concept in the archives (I've had a link to it on my desktop this whole time) here: http://blog.daemon.com.au/archives/02.html#02 Paul Kenney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 916-212-4359 -Original Message- From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest I really like the idea about the web service competitions... you enter your webservice agent into a contest on some server somewhere and tournaments are held to determine winners. othello backgammon chess boxing hockey simulations... I think it would be fun. Eric - Original Message - From: cfhelp To: CF-Talk Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:05 PM Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest What someone needs to do is set this up and a few other puzzles and form development teams. Team 1: CF Team 2: ASP/.Net Team 3: PERL Team 4: PHP Rick -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest WOW, this contest is on fire!:-) We are up to three. Kevin _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest
I really like the idea about the web service competitions... you enter your webservice agent into a contest on some server somewhere and tournaments are held to determine winners. othello backgammon chess boxing hockey simulations... I think it would be fun. Eric - Original Message - From: cfhelp To: CF-Talk Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:05 PM Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest What someone needs to do is set this up and a few other puzzles and form development teams. Team 1: CF Team 2: ASP/.Net Team 3: PERL Team 4: PHP Rick -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest WOW, this contest is on fire!:-) We are up to three. Kevin _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest
what's the contest URL again? - Original Message - From: cfhelp To: CF-Talk Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:05 PM Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest What someone needs to do is set this up and a few other puzzles and form development teams. Team 1: CF Team 2: ASP/.Net Team 3: PERL Team 4: PHP Rick -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest WOW, this contest is on fire!:-) We are up to three. Kevin _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
http://tech.badpen.com/cfcontest When you are done, submit your entry to me for the judging.You have until midnight on Sunday to submit. Kevin. _ From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 2:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest what's the contest URL again? - Original Message - From: cfhelp To: CF-Talk Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:05 PM Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest What someone needs to do is set this up and a few other puzzles and form development teams. Team 1: CF Team 2: ASP/.Net Team 3: PERL Team 4: PHP Rick -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest WOW, this contest is on fire!:-) We are up to three. Kevin _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest (prizes)
I just sent in my submission to this contest and wanted to encourage others to send submissions too. So I'm going to throw in a free copy of the Pro version of my Prototype Tool Kit ($100 value) to the winner (or second place runner since I'm planning on winning!) Here is some information about this tool I'm throwing in: http://www.secretagents.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=tools.prototypetoolkit Good Luck! Steve Nelson [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
What someone needs to do is set this up and a few other puzzles and form development teams. Team 1: CF Team 2: ASP/.Net Team 3: PERL Team 4: PHP Rick -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest WOW, this contest is on fire!:-) We are up to three. Kevin _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Script vs Tags (was Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest)
If you can do everything you need in cfscript, it's much more readable IMHO. However the functionality gap between cfscript and cf tags negates this to some degreee. In my experience switching back and forth between tags and cfscript has yielded some very awkward code. I've almost completely stopped using cfscript altogether, simply because of the time I lose trying to maintain a logical block of code in one paradigm or the other. As always your mileage may vary, products may settle during shipping, and objects may be closer than they appear. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 5, 2004, at 8:40 PM, Philip Arnold wrote: There is the one advantage to CFSCRIPT over tags Readability If you can read Script easier than reading tag based code, then use Script [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Script vs Tags (was Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest)
If you can do everything you need in cfscript, it's much more readable IMHO. However the functionality gap between cfscript and cf tags negates this to some degreee. In my experience switching back and forth between tags and cfscript has yielded some very awkward code. I've almost completely stopped using cfscript altogether, simply because of the time I lose trying to maintain a logical block of code in one paradigm or the other. As always your mileage may vary, products may settle during shipping, and objects may be closer than they appear. I've seen this as well; however in my foray into UDF's I have found that there is a to build custom functions to mimic CF code by handing the switch off to the UDF and then calling it from within a script block. True, it might be considered reinventing the wheel but it also allows a continuity of coding and takes advantage of the CFScript improvements.That would be the theory, at least.I have not had a chance to put this to the test. Hatton --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 3/24/2004 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Script vs Tags (was Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest)
I agree completely on the readability issue.In my application.cfm file, I try to use cfscript blocks as much as possible, mainly to keep code both compact and readable.I do the same thing on pages where I need to set more than one or two variables.cfscript blocks are also easier to find when color-coded by CF Studio. Just my $.02, don't look a gift horse in the mouth, and never trust a bald barber. Pete Howard Fore wrote: If you can do everything you need in cfscript, it's much more readable IMHO. However the functionality gap between cfscript and cf tags negates this to some degreee. In my experience switching back and forth between tags and cfscript has yielded some very awkward code. I've almost completely stopped using cfscript altogether, simply because of the time I lose trying to maintain a logical block of code in one paradigm or the other. As always your mileage may vary, products may settle during shipping, and objects may be closer than they appear. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 5, 2004, at 8:40 PM, Philip Arnold wrote: There is the one advantage to CFSCRIPT over tags Readability If you can read Script easier than reading tag based code, then use Script [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Script vs Tags (was Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest)
Just a note on this: the bug is basically that you never see value of 1-9 - only 0, 10 or more than 10. (and I think it's actually an OS problem on Windows, not a CF issue - can any Linux/Unix user confirm the bug on their platform?) According to the MM guy who explained this problem to me, the underlying reason for this is that CF simply isn't capable of accurately dealing with time increments smaller than 10 milliseconds. Of course, this was a while ago - back in the CF 3 and 4 days - so things may have changed since then. I've observed the same behavior on Solaris with CF 4 and 5, if I recall correctly. This is exactly the reason that you do may operations in a loop when testing this stuff - you need to get things out of that initial 10ms gray area. Basically any timings higher than 10 ms are trustworthy since it's not the individual operations being timed but the interval between the reports. The problem with this approach is that it only tells you what will happen if a single request repeats the operation within a loop. There have been several cases I've observed in which this isn't reflected at all when the test involves multiple requests repeating the operation in parallel. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Script vs Tags (was Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest)
agreed. I'm praying that a major improvment in the next cf will be that all (or as many as possible) tags and functions are available within cfscript. -Original Message- From: Howard Fore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 6:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Script vs Tags (was Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest) If you can do everything you need in cfscript, it's much more readable IMHO. However the functionality gap between cfscript and cf tags negates this to some degreee. In my experience switching back and forth between tags and cfscript has yielded some very awkward code. I've almost completely stopped using cfscript altogether, simply because of the time I lose trying to maintain a logical block of code in one paradigm or the other. As always your mileage may vary, products may settle during shipping, and objects may be closer than they appear. -- Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 5, 2004, at 8:40 PM, Philip Arnold wrote: There is the one advantage to CFSCRIPT over tags Readability If you can read Script easier than reading tag based code, then use Script _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Can we switch it to monday?I dont think I'll have much time till the weekend. DRE -Original Message- From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Contest is still open until Friday April 9th, at 12:00pm EST.You can solve it any way you would like.Just understand you are looking for the shortest path, not just any path. Kevin. _ From: Rizal Firmansyah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest Kevin, just curious... is this contest still open? And are we allowed to play this in god's mode? You know... solve it by looking at the whole maze, instead of thinking like the mouse inside (which can only go U,D,L,R). And then backtrack the solution to give the right direction (U,D,L,R)? Rizal At 10:33 PM 4/5/2004, you wrote: If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. -- [http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=t:4Todayshttp://www.hou seoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=t:4 Threads] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:158882Thishttp://ww w.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:158882 Message] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4Subscription] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=2029.1949. 4Fasthttp://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=2029.1 949.4 Unsubscribe] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/signin/Userhttp://www.houseoffusion.co m/signin/ Settings] -- http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 1be3985.jpg _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
How about we switch it to Sunday at midnight, and I will do the final judging on Monday.No more extensions ;)By the way, I just got a new submission.We are up to three. Kevin _ From: Andre Turrettini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Can we switch it to monday?I dont think I'll have much time till the weekend. DRE -Original Message- From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Contest is still open until Friday April 9th, at 12:00pm EST.You can solve it any way you would like.Just understand you are looking for the shortest path, not just any path. Kevin. _ From: Rizal Firmansyah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest Kevin, just curious... is this contest still open? And are we allowed to play this in god's mode? You know... solve it by looking at the whole maze, instead of thinking like the mouse inside (which can only go U,D,L,R). And then backtrack the solution to give the right direction (U,D,L,R)? Rizal At 10:33 PM 4/5/2004, you wrote: If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. -- [http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=t:4Todayshttp://www.hou seoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=t:4 Threads] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:158882Thishttp://ww w.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:158882 Message] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4Subscription] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=2029.1949. 4Fasthttp://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=2029.1 949.4 Unsubscribe] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/signin/Userhttp://www.houseoffusion.co m/signin/ Settings] -- http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 1be3985.jpg _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
WOW, this contest is on fire!:-) We are up to three. Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
ColdFusion Coding Contest
If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
There ya go Kaz, hi-jacking the contest.:-) I still think the original poster was looking for CS homework help and was unofficially soliciting answers...j/k If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Hahahahaha, last time that happened, I at least got paid for it. ;) Keivn. _ From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest There ya go Kaz, hi-jacking the contest.:-) I still think the original poster was looking for CS homework help and was unofficially soliciting answers...j/k If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
oops. I forgot to send in my entry last time.Where are the rules so that I can make sure it conforms? DRE -Original Message- From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Hahahahaha, last time that happened, I at least got paid for it. ;) Keivn. _ From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest There ya go Kaz, hi-jacking the contest.:-) I still think the original poster was looking for CS homework help and was unofficially soliciting answers...j/k If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
http://tech.badpen.com/cfcontest/ Kevin. _ From: Andre Turrettini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest oops. I forgot to send in my entry last time.Where are the rules so that I can make sure it conforms? DRE -Original Message- From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Hahahahaha, last time that happened, I at least got paid for it. ;) Keivn. _ From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest There ya go Kaz, hi-jacking the contest.:-) I still think the original poster was looking for CS homework help and was unofficially soliciting answers...j/k If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Just go to the link Kaz posted earlier and take his code :-) oops. I forgot to send in my entry last time.Where are the rules so that I can make sure it conforms? DRE [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Hmmm, it looks like there are going to be a lot of 'shortest path' algorithm implementations. I guess to win on speed it should be written in cfscript as much as possible. TK -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Just go to the link Kaz posted earlier and take his code :-) oops. I forgot to send in my entry last time.Where are the rules so that I can make sure it conforms? DRE [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
In case you needed the link: http://adserver2.alfred.edu/kevin/maze/index.cfm :-) Just go to the link Kaz posted earlier and take his code :-) oops. I forgot to send in my entry last time.Where are the rules so that I can make sure it conforms? DRE [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Is this still true? I was inder the impression that since CFMX compiles everything beforehand the performance gains that you used to get with CFSCRIPT are no longer there. Am I wrong about that? John Venable -Original Message- From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Hmmm, it looks like there are going to be a lot of 'shortest path' algorithm implementations. I guess to win on speed it should be written in cfscript as much as possible. TK -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Just go to the link Kaz posted earlier and take his code :-) oops. I forgot to send in my entry last time.Where are the rules so that I can make sure it conforms? DRE _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
It could be that I imagined things, but my tickcount was lower with more code in cfscript.I didn't think it would make a difference, but I went with it. Kevin _ From: Venable, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Is this still true? I was inder the impression that since CFMX compiles everything beforehand the performance gains that you used to get with CFSCRIPT are no longer there. Am I wrong about that? John Venable -Original Message- From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Hmmm, it looks like there are going to be a lot of 'shortest path' algorithm implementations. I guess to win on speed it should be written in cfscript as much as possible. TK -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Just go to the link Kaz posted earlier and take his code :-) oops. I forgot to send in my entry last time.Where are the rules so that I can make sure it conforms? DRE _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
I guess to win on speed it should be written in cfscript as much as possible. Don't expect it to make much (or any) difference with CFMX. --- Ben From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Hmmm, it looks like there are going to be a lot of 'shortest path' algorithm implementations. I guess to win on speed it should be written in cfscript as much as possible. TK -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Just go to the link Kaz posted earlier and take his code :-) oops. I forgot to send in my entry last time.Where are the rules so that I can make sure it conforms? DRE [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
I ran some code both ways back when CFMX came out... Didn't notice much of a difference. It could be that I imagined things, but my tickcount was lower with more code in cfscript.I didn't think it would make a difference, but I went with it. Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
I agree Ben, but it is a contest, so every little bit (even if imaginary :)) ) counts. TK -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest I guess to win on speed it should be written in cfscript as much as possible. Don't expect it to make much (or any) difference with CFMX. --- Ben From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Hmmm, it looks like there are going to be a lot of 'shortest path' algorithm implementations. I guess to win on speed it should be written in cfscript as much as possible. TK -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Just go to the link Kaz posted earlier and take his code :-) oops. I forgot to send in my entry last time.Where are the rules so that I can make sure it conforms? DRE [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Was anyone successful with this? I know mine worked on a bunch of mazes, but there were a couple weird ones with huge rooms that it didn't work on. Kevin, can you send me the last version I sent to you guys? I'd like to try and fix any issues in my code. Steve Nelson _ From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Coding Contest If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
From: Tom Kitta I agree Ben, but it is a contest, so every little bit (even if imaginary :)) ) counts. Just remember - CFSILENT until you're ready to output something - CF won't try to build the output at all, so it should be a smidge faster as well g [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Steve, Here is the deal.I am not the person who originally started or handled this.It was Tim Blair's idea and he was the one who got it going.The problem is that we never found out the results, so after a few posts to his blog, I decided to hijack the contest as Mike T. referred to it.I am trying to collect any submissions and put them on a page so we can see how each of us did it.So the answer is no, I don't have anyone's submission or email address who submitted, I am just hoping that people have it saved and can forward it to me.So far I only have 2 entries. I would welcome anyone to submit a solution to it even if you didn't submit one from before. I think the idea is really cool and I don't want to see it die by the wayside. Kevin. _ From: Steve Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Was anyone successful with this? I know mine worked on a bunch of mazes, but there were a couple weird ones with huge rooms that it didn't work on. Kevin, can you send me the last version I sent to you guys? I'd like to try and fix any issues in my code. Steve Nelson _ From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Coding Contest If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Oh gotcha. Then I'll have to dig it up and send it over so you have 3 solutions. :-) Steve Nelson _ From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Steve, Here is the deal.I am not the person who originally started or handled this.It was Tim Blair's idea and he was the one who got it going.The problem is that we never found out the results, so after a few posts to his blog, I decided to hijack the contest as Mike T. referred to it.I am trying to collect any submissions and put them on a page so we can see how each of us did it.So the answer is no, I don't have anyone's submission or email address who submitted, I am just hoping that people have it saved and can forward it to me.So far I only have 2 entries. I would welcome anyone to submit a solution to it even if you didn't submit one from before. I think the idea is really cool and I don't want to see it die by the wayside. Kevin. _ From: Steve Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Was anyone successful with this? I know mine worked on a bunch of mazes, but there were a couple weird ones with huge rooms that it didn't work on. Kevin, can you send me the last version I sent to you guys? I'd like to try and fix any issues in my code. Steve Nelson _ From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Coding Contest If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Is this still true? I was inder the impression that since CFMX compiles everything beforehand the performance gains that you used to get with CFSCRIPT are no longer there. Am I wrong about that? It's been my experience that using CFSCRIPT never provided any significant performance increase in any case. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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If you want people to re-submit + new people then how about new deadline for submissions? TK -Original Message- From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Steve, Here is the deal.I am not the person who originally started or handled this.It was Tim Blair's idea and he was the one who got it going.The problem is that we never found out the results, so after a few posts to his blog, I decided to hijack the contest as Mike T. referred to it.I am trying to collect any submissions and put them on a page so we can see how each of us did it.So the answer is no, I don't have anyone's submission or email address who submitted, I am just hoping that people have it saved and can forward it to me.So far I only have 2 entries. I would welcome anyone to submit a solution to it even if you didn't submit one from before. I think the idea is really cool and I don't want to see it die by the wayside. Kevin. _ From: Steve Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Was anyone successful with this? I know mine worked on a bunch of mazes, but there were a couple weird ones with huge rooms that it didn't work on. Kevin, can you send me the last version I sent to you guys? I'd like to try and fix any issues in my code. Steve Nelson _ From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Coding Contest If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Script vs Tags (was Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest)
It's been my experience that using CFSCRIPT never provided any significant performance increase in any case. I disagree. My tests: the function queryRandomize() from DRK 4 (or was it 5?), I rewrote it, line-by-line (including comments!) and called it queryRandomizeCFML(). 100,000 iterations of each try, randomizing a 1 column query with 20 rows, time in ms, server is CFMX 6.1 standalone developer, 3 tries: scripttags 1464026342 1471825983 1460926108 -nathan strutz [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Script vs Tags (was Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest)
That's very strange. While I did find some big differences in CFSCRIPT vs. CFTAGS in earlier versions of CF, I have not seen such in CFMX. I'm going to rerun my tests in the latest version to see how they run and also look at the class files. A perfect example of a change is that CFIF vs. IIF() in CF5 showed CFIF to be much faster. In CFMX, they both compiled down to the same Java code and there was no speed difference. It's been my experience that using CFSCRIPT never provided any significant performance increase in any case. I disagree. My tests: the function queryRandomize() from DRK 4 (or was it 5?), I rewrote it, line-by-line (including comments!) and called it queryRandomizeCFML(). 100,000 iterations of each try, randomizing a 1 column query with 20 rows, time in ms, server is CFMX 6.1 standalone developer, 3 tries: scripttags 1464026342 1471825983 1460926108 -nathan strutz [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Script vs Tags (was Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest)
It's been my experience that using CFSCRIPT never provided any significant performance increase in any case. I disagree. My tests: the function queryRandomize() from DRK 4 (or was it 5?), I rewrote it, line-by-line (including comments!) and called it queryRandomizeCFML(). 100,000 iterations of each try, randomizing a 1 column query with 20 rows, time in ms, server is CFMX 6.1 standalone developer, 3 tries: scripttags 1464026342 1471825983 1460926108 I submit that your test provides insufficient data to justify that conclusion. First, running a single algorithm serially within a loop doesn't provide an especially useful measurement of how that algorithm will work when executed in parallel. I've seen all sorts of things that seem faster when measured within a loop, but don't seem faster when measured by load testing - I've even seen things that are slower when measured by load testing, even though they were faster within a loop! Second, you'd need to test more than one algorithm to contradict the general statement about CFSCRIPT not providing any significant performance increase. It may run faster when manipulating a query object, for example, but may be slower for everything else. Third, you're pointing out an approximate difference of three milliseconds per request, which is practically immeasurable by CF (if I recall correctly, CF can't accurately handle time increments smaller than 10 milliseconds). I would question whether that's a significant performance increase, especially given the second point above. Finally, as with all these which is faster questions that come up, even if you are correct in your supposition, the time savings you may get by doing this is typically dwarfed by that gained by additional caching. I don't think I've ever seen an application which has taken full advantage of every caching opportunity. So, the question becomes whether you want to spend your time optimizing your code based on your conception of what is faster within a given version of CF, or whether you want to spend your time making your application faster no matter what version of CF you use. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Here is what I will do.After you submit your code and it works I will give you a link to where you can see other peoples code and see how other people did it (which was the intent of this hijacking).No resubmission after that.Then how about on Friday, April 9th at 12pm(Eastern Time) all submissions are due.I don't want to drag this on.I would rather start a new contest with a new idea.I just have to think of one. Kevin. _ From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest If you want people to re-submit + new people then how about new deadline for submissions? TK -Original Message- From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Steve, Here is the deal.I am not the person who originally started or handled this.It was Tim Blair's idea and he was the one who got it going. The problem is that we never found out the results, so after a few posts to his blog, I decided to hijack the contest as Mike T. referred to it. I am trying to collect any submissions and put them on a page so we can see how each of us did it.So the answer is no, I don't have anyone's submission or email address who submitted, I am just hoping that people have it saved and can forward it to me.So far I only have 2 entries. I would welcome anyone to submit a solution to it even if you didn't submit one from before. I think the idea is really cool and I don't want to see it die by the wayside. Kevin. _ From: Steve Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Was anyone successful with this? I know mine worked on a bunch of mazes, but there were a couple weird ones with huge rooms that it didn't work on. Kevin, can you send me the last version I sent to you guys? I'd like to try and fix any issues in my code. Steve Nelson _ From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Coding Contest If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest
- Original Message - From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest http://tech.badpen.com/cfcontest/ I don't get it.What's the relevance of taking a text-book algorithm from CS101 and coding it in CF? Forget relevance.It's not even interesting. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Come on, that was top secret information. Now you taken my advantage edge away from me ;o) I think it was csc350 through or something like that. TK -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest - Original Message - From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest http://tech.badpen.com/cfcontest/ I don't get it.What's the relevance of taking a text-book algorithm from CS101 and coding it in CF? Forget relevance.It's not even interesting. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Script vs Tags (was Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest)
Third, you're pointing out an approximate difference of three milliseconds per request, which is practically immeasurable by CF (if I recall correctly, CF can't accurately handle time increments smaller than 10 milliseconds). I would question whether that's a significant performance increase, especially given the second point above. Just a note on this: the bug is basically that you never see value of 1-9 - only 0, 10 or more than 10.(and I think it's actually an OS problem on Windows, not a CF issue - can any Linux/Unix user confirm the bug on their platform?) After the 10 ms threshold is reached timings are accurate. This is exactly the reason that you do may operations in a loop when testing this stuff - you need to get things out of that initial 10ms gray area. Basically any timings higher than 10 ms are trustworthy since it's not the individual operations being timed but the interval between the reports. All that being said I agree completely that 3 ms in an artificial test is nothing to base a conclusion on - you'll never see a practical ramification of the difference. Jim Davis [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Still - at least somebody's doing something fun.;^) I used to do CF challenges at depressedpress.com but quickly ran out of ideas - it's not as easy as it appears to come up with fresh material. If you've got a better idea I'm sure everybody would love to give it a shot. Jim Davis _ From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest - Original Message - From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest http://tech.badpen.com/cfcontest/ I don't get it.What's the relevance of taking a text-book algorithm from CS101 and coding it in CF? Forget relevance.It's not even interesting. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
You are entitled to your opinion but I think that coming up with some sort of cf coding competition is interesting.I did not come up with the original idea, but it seems to be a popular problem to solve (Codewalkers php competition used it).You can use an algorithm and solve it fairly easily, but there are always different ways to implement it.Not everyone is aware of it either (many CF developers weren't CS students).It also brings forward the idea of optimizing code to achieve the fastest solution, for example this cfscript argument.If you have a new idea for the next competition, feel free to share it with me. Kevin. _ From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest - Original Message - From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest http://tech.badpen.com/cfcontest/ I don't get it.What's the relevance of taking a text-book algorithm from CS101 and coding it in CF? Forget relevance.It's not even interesting. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Script vs Tags (was Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest)
From: Michael Dinowitz That's very strange. While I did find some big differences in CFSCRIPT vs. CFTAGS in earlier versions of CF, I have not seen such in CFMX. I'm going to rerun my tests in the latest version to see how they run and also look at the class files. A perfect example of a change is that CFIF vs. IIF() in CF5 showed CFIF to be much faster. In CFMX, they both compiled down to the same Java code and there was no speed difference. There is the one advantage to CFSCRIPT over tags Readability If you can read Script easier than reading tag based code, then use Script Simple, isn't it? g [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Kaz, seing the word algorithm in a sentence from you made me think of our college somputer science labs! The only algorithm I saw that was associated with you was on the wall in the lab: Kevin's get rich quick algorithm: Ask Dave, Got 2 10's for a 5? Repeat until Rich. To this day, the best algorithm I've seen. You are entitled to your opinion but I think that coming up with some sort of cf coding competition is interesting.I did not come up with the original idea, but it seems to be a popular problem to solve (Codewalkers php competition used it).You can use an algorithm and solve it fairly easily, but there are always different ways to implement it.Not everyone is aware of it either (many CF developers weren't CS students).It also brings forward the idea of optimizing code to achieve the fastest solution, for example this cfscript argument.If you have a new idea for the next competition, feel free to share it with me. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
I don't get it.What's the relevance of taking a text-book algorithm from CS101 and coding it in CF? Forget relevance.It's not even interesting. Actually it is one of the best ways to not only learn, but learn a variety of approaches to a single problem. A lot of the assignments we did in college (Kevin and I went to college together) were not always interesting, in fact some were down right boring, but the lessons you learn along with being able to see different approaches to solving problems was the desired result. We did problems like a water billing program in Fortran, which was not very interesting, but definitely helped us learn some more concepts and put them into practice. The idea behind the CF Coding contests are to do nothing more than give people an opportunity to challenge themselves and eachother and hopefully walk away knowing a little more then when they began; its all positive and no one says you have to participate. With that being said, anyone got suggestions for the next contest? :-) Mike [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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With that being said, anyone got suggestions for the next contest? :-) Back in my Intro to CS course, we did a version of the prisoner's dilemma (http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/PRISDIL.html) that was pretty fun.We each implemented a person who could play in the game.All the solutions were thrown into a pool.Then a group of 10 or so were pulled out.Random pairings were made and the game was played on each pair.Repeat 10,000 times or so, and then get the next group from the pool.The winners of each group (top1, top2, whatever) went into the next round's pool and it repeated until the last round had a pool of 10 who duked it out for the championship. Sounds stupid and simple, but it was really fascinating.The best solutions (I finished in the top 10, but got slaughtered by the top 3) did some amazing stuff with tracking probabilities across the competitors. Cheers, barneyb [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
That's a good idea! Keep em coming. -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest With that being said, anyone got suggestions for the next contest? :-) Back in my Intro to CS course, we did a version of the prisoner's dilemma (http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/PRISDIL.html) that was pretty fun.We each implemented a person who could play in the game.All the solutions were thrown into a pool.Then a group of 10 or so were pulled out.Random pairings were made and the game was played on each pair. Repeat 10,000 times or so, and then get the next group from the pool.The winners of each group (top1, top2, whatever) went into the next round's pool and it repeated until the last round had a pool of 10 who duked it out for the championship. Sounds stupid and simple, but it was really fascinating.The best solutions (I finished in the top 10, but got slaughtered by the top 3) did some amazing stuff with tracking probabilities across the competitors. Cheers, barneyb [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Well the diff algorithm is interesting. This is where the algorithm attempts to markup differences between two documents. I tried it is CF and it worked but was deadly slow. Would be neat to have a version that ran reasonably quickly. Another interesting idea might be a poetry / haiku generator. Or simulations of simple things. E.g. I wrote a very basic and rather crappy text cat simulator a while back. Had lots of ideas for version 2 (i.e. cats learn to recognize different people, and respond based on whether people tend to feed them, play with them, whatever.). Quite fun to do. :-) I've often thought a text-based virtual forest where people come and plant trees might be interesting..but not really a competition. -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2004 1:06 p.m. To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest I don't get it.What's the relevance of taking a text-book algorithm from CS101 and coding it in CF? Forget relevance.It's not even interesting. Actually it is one of the best ways to not only learn, but learn a variety of approaches to a single problem. A lot of the assignments we did in college (Kevin and I went to college together) were not always interesting, in fact some were down right boring, but the lessons you learn along with being able to see different approaches to solving problems was the desired result. We did problems like a water billing program in Fortran, which was not very interesting, but definitely helped us learn some more concepts and put them into practice. The idea behind the CF Coding contests are to do nothing more than give people an opportunity to challenge themselves and eachother and hopefully walk away knowing a little more then when they began; its all positive and no one says you have to participate. With that being said, anyone got suggestions for the next contest? :-) Mike _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
mathlab (I think) has a coding contest - but all entries are open source - right up until the deadline. You can submit and test as many entries as you think required. Current leaders are stored on a leader board with download links. Once you submit and test an entry the code is available for download by someone else. Eric _ From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 5, 2004 2:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Steve, Here is the deal.I am not the person who originally started or handled this.It was Tim Blair's idea and he was the one who got it going.The problem is that we never found out the results, so after a few posts to his blog, I decided to hijack the contest as Mike T. referred to it.I am trying to collect any submissions and put them on a page so we can see how each of us did it.So the answer is no, I don't have anyone's submission or email address who submitted, I am just hoping that people have it saved and can forward it to me.So far I only have 2 entries. I would welcome anyone to submit a solution to it even if you didn't submit one from before. I think the idea is really cool and I don't want to see it die by the wayside. Kevin. _ From: Steve Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest Was anyone successful with this? I know mine worked on a bunch of mazes, but there were a couple weird ones with huge rooms that it didn't work on. Kevin, can you send me the last version I sent to you guys? I'd like to try and fix any issues in my code. Steve Nelson _ From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Coding Contest If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest
http://windowsxp.devx.com/PD/articles/overview.asp -Matt On Apr 5, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote: That's a good idea! Keep em coming. -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest With that being said, anyone got suggestions for the next contest? :-) Back in my Intro to CS course, we did a version of the prisoner's dilemma (http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/PRISDIL.html) that was pretty fun. We each implemented a person who could play in the game. All the solutions were thrown into a pool. Then a group of 10 or so were pulled out. Random pairings were made and the game was played on each pair. Repeat 10,000 times or so, and then get the next group from the pool. The winners of each group (top1, top2, whatever) went into the next round's pool and it repeated until the last round had a pool of 10 who duked it out for the championship. Sounds stupid and simple, but it was really fascinating. The best solutions (I finished in the top 10, but got slaughtered by the top 3) did some amazing stuff with tracking probabilities across the competitors. Cheers, barneyb [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
I don't get it. mine will run faster than yours. _ From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 5, 2004 7:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest - Original Message - From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest http://tech.badpen.com/cfcontest/ I don't get it.What's the relevance of taking a text-book algorithm from CS101 and coding it in CF? Forget relevance.It's not even interesting. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
http://www.itasoftware.com/careers/eng/job1.php or http://www.itasoftware.com/careers/programmers-archive.php if you can adequately solve the problem. you can get a job with ITA. Palindromic Pangram A palindrome is a sequence of words like lid off a daffodil or shallot ayatollahs that uses the same letters reading backwards as forwards. The words need not form a meaningful or grammatical sentence. A palindromic pangram is a multi-word palindrome that includes all 26 letters of the alphabet. Write a program to find a palindromic pangram. Use this dictionary: WORD.LST http://www.itasoftware.com/careers/WORD.LST (1.66MB). Bonus: find the shortest possible such palindrome in terms of the total number of words or letters used. Queens Knights In 1850, Carl Friedrich Gauss and Franz Nauck showed that it is possible to place eight queens on a chessboard such that no queen attacks any other queen. The problem of enumerating the 92 different ways there are to place 8 queens in this manner has become a standard programming example, and people have shown that it can be solved using many different search techniques. Now consider a variant of this problem: you must place an equal number of knights and queens on a chessboard such that no piece attacks any other piece. What is the maximum number of pieces you can so place on the board, and how many different ways can you do it? _ From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 5, 2004 8:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest I don't get it.What's the relevance of taking a text-book algorithm from CS101 and coding it in CF? Forget relevance.It's not even interesting. Actually it is one of the best ways to not only learn, but learn a variety of approaches to a single problem. A lot of the assignments we did in college (Kevin and I went to college together) were not always interesting, in fact some were down right boring, but the lessons you learn along with being able to see different approaches to solving problems was the desired result. We did problems like a water billing program in Fortran, which was not very interesting, but definitely helped us learn some more concepts and put them into practice. The idea behind the CF Coding contests are to do nothing more than give people an opportunity to challenge themselves and eachother and hopefully walk away knowing a little more then when they began; its all positive and no one says you have to participate. With that being said, anyone got suggestions for the next contest? :-) Mike _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Kevin, just curious... is this contest still open? And are we allowed to play this in god's mode? You know... solve it by looking at the whole maze, instead of thinking like the mouse inside (which can only go U,D,L,R). And then backtrack the solution to give the right direction (U,D,L,R)? Rizal At 10:33 PM 4/5/2004, you wrote: If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. -- [http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=t:4Todayshttp://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=t:4 Threads] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:158882Thishttp://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:158882 Message] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4Subscription] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=2029.1949.4Fasthttp://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=2029.1949.4 Unsubscribe] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/signin/Userhttp://www.houseoffusion.com/signin/ Settings] -- http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 1be3985.jpg [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
Contest is still open until Friday April 9th, at 12:00pm EST.You can solve it any way you would like.Just understand you are looking for the shortest path, not just any path. Kevin. _ From: Rizal Firmansyah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Coding Contest Kevin, just curious... is this contest still open? And are we allowed to play this in god's mode? You know... solve it by looking at the whole maze, instead of thinking like the mouse inside (which can only go U,D,L,R). And then backtrack the solution to give the right direction (U,D,L,R)? Rizal At 10:33 PM 4/5/2004, you wrote: If anyone submitted their code to the CF coding contest we had a while back ago in January would like to submit their code to me, I am in the process of putting all of our code together so we can at least see how each of us did it.Feel free to send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin. -- [http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=t:4Todayshttp://www.hou seoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=t:4 Threads] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:158882Thishttp://ww w.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:158882 Message] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4Subscription] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=2029.1949. 4Fasthttp://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=2029.1 949.4 Unsubscribe] [http://www.houseoffusion.com/signin/Userhttp://www.houseoffusion.co m/signin/ Settings] -- http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 1be3985.jpg _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest
I like all the suggestions so far.I will put something together for a new contest after I am done messing around with this one. Kevin _ From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest http://www.itasoftware.com/careers/eng/job1.php or http://www.itasoftware.com/careers/programmers-archive.php if you can adequately solve the problem. you can get a job with ITA. Palindromic Pangram A palindrome is a sequence of words like lid off a daffodil or shallot ayatollahs that uses the same letters reading backwards as forwards. The words need not form a meaningful or grammatical sentence. A palindromic pangram is a multi-word palindrome that includes all 26 letters of the alphabet. Write a program to find a palindromic pangram. Use this dictionary: WORD.LST http://www.itasoftware.com/careers/WORD.LST (1.66MB). Bonus: find the shortest possible such palindrome in terms of the total number of words or letters used. Queens Knights In 1850, Carl Friedrich Gauss and Franz Nauck showed that it is possible to place eight queens on a chessboard such that no queen attacks any other queen. The problem of enumerating the 92 different ways there are to place 8 queens in this manner has become a standard programming example, and people have shown that it can be solved using many different search techniques. Now consider a variant of this problem: you must place an equal number of knights and queens on a chessboard such that no piece attacks any other piece. What is the maximum number of pieces you can so place on the board, and how many different ways can you do it? _ From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 5, 2004 8:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Coding Contest I don't get it.What's the relevance of taking a text-book algorithm from CS101 and coding it in CF? Forget relevance.It's not even interesting. Actually it is one of the best ways to not only learn, but learn a variety of approaches to a single problem. A lot of the assignments we did in college (Kevin and I went to college together) were not always interesting, in fact some were down right boring, but the lessons you learn along with being able to see different approaches to solving problems was the desired result. We did problems like a water billing program in Fortran, which was not very interesting, but definitely helped us learn some more concepts and put them into practice. The idea behind the CF Coding contests are to do nothing more than give people an opportunity to challenge themselves and eachother and hopefully walk away knowing a little more then when they began; its all positive and no one says you have to participate. With that being said, anyone got suggestions for the next contest? :-) Mike _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
