RE: Custom Tags Folder

2005-12-08 Thread Snake
Cfimport is fastest
Cf_tagname next
Then cfmodule 

-Original Message-
From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 December 2005 01:26
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Subject: Re: Custom Tags Folder

cfmodule is supposed to be slower than the 'cf_' method.  Anyone have any
idea how much slower?

I use cfmodule exclusively precisely for what Jim is talking about.  I
typically keep tags site-specific as well.  Otherwise, what happens when one
site on the server wants to update their tag-dependent code and the other 39
don't?

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Re: Custom Tags Folder

2005-12-08 Thread Raymond Camden
What tests have you done to show cf_ is faster than cfmodule?

On 12/8/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cfimport is fastest
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 Then cfmodule


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RE: Custom Tags Folder

2005-12-08 Thread Snake
Using nested tags.

Russ 

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Subject: Re: Custom Tags Folder

What tests have you done to show cf_ is faster than cfmodule?

On 12/8/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cfimport is fastest
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 Then cfmodule


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Re: Custom Tags Folder

2005-12-08 Thread Raymond Camden
Eh? You mean wrapping the calls with a timer type tag? If so, I have
not found that. My testing showed no clear winner. Even if cf_foo was
slightly faster, I'd still recommend cfmodule simply because it is
much more portable.


On 12/8/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Using nested tags.

 Russ

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: 08 December 2005 13:28
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Custom Tags Folder

 What tests have you done to show cf_ is faster than cfmodule?

 On 12/8/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Cfimport is fastest
  Cf_tagname next
  Then cfmodule


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RE: Custom Tags Folder

2005-12-08 Thread Snake
Matter of preference then, as I prefer using CFIMPORT. 

-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 December 2005 13:46
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Subject: Re: Custom Tags Folder

Eh? You mean wrapping the calls with a timer type tag? If so, I have not
found that. My testing showed no clear winner. Even if cf_foo was slightly
faster, I'd still recommend cfmodule simply because it is much more
portable.


On 12/8/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Using nested tags.

 Russ

 -Original Message-
 From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 08 December 2005 13:28
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Custom Tags Folder

 What tests have you done to show cf_ is faster than cfmodule?

 On 12/8/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Cfimport is fastest
  Cf_tagname next
  Then cfmodule


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RE: Custom Tags Folder

2005-12-08 Thread Mark Fuqua
Hey there,

I don't know if it will work with other applications, but the Churvis's
wrote a utility for Plum which converts all the custom tag calls (and there
are alot of custom tag calls in a PLUM application) to cfModule.  Here is
what they wrote about it...

...We created a drag-and-drop utility for converting a safe copy of a Plum
application from using CF_ syntax to using CFMODULE syntax, with all the
proper closing rules for Plum custom tags (and most others) properly
implemented. The perfect companion to Plum -- especially if you're deploying
in a shared hosting environment.

You can download a copy from www.productivityenhancement.com   Post back and
let us know if it works for your applications.

Mark



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Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:28 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Custom Tags Folder


What tests have you done to show cf_ is faster than cfmodule?

On 12/8/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cfimport is fastest
 Cf_tagname next
 Then cfmodule


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Custom Tags Folder

2005-12-07 Thread Brian Peddle
Not sure this is possible.

We have a version of an application and we are releasing an updated version.
Some of the Custom Tags have been updated along with code. We plan on
rolling this out a few clients at a time.

Is it possible to set some type of application variable to override the
customtag directory in CFADMIN?

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Re: Custom Tags Folder

2005-12-07 Thread Barney Boisvert
Custom tag paths are per server/sandbox, with no way to control them
at a more granular level.  You might look into CFIMPORT against a CF
mapping, which is far more flexible, but would probably require some
pretty invasive changes to make work on the existing apps.  CF
mappings are also server-wide, of course, but you can have multiple
independant mappings, which you can't do with custom tag paths.

cheers,
barneyb

On 12/7/05, Brian Peddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not sure this is possible.

 We have a version of an application and we are releasing an updated version.
 Some of the Custom Tags have been updated along with code. We plan on
 rolling this out a few clients at a time.

 Is it possible to set some type of application variable to override the
 customtag directory in CFADMIN?

 Thanks



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Re: Custom Tags Folder

2005-12-07 Thread Sam Farmer
Take a look at using cfimport taglib=, that may solve your
problem, although you will have to change how you call each tag.

You can define a custom tag folder in the administrator but they are
global settings so would affect all code you run on that machine.

Cheers,

Sam F

On 12/7/05, Brian Peddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not sure this is possible.

 We have a version of an application and we are releasing an updated version.
 Some of the Custom Tags have been updated along with code. We plan on
 rolling this out a few clients at a time.

 Is it possible to set some type of application variable to override the
 customtag directory in CFADMIN?

 Thanks





 

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Re: Custom Tags Folder

2005-12-07 Thread Jim McAtee
You could change your cf_[tagname] style calls to CFMODULE calls, in which 
case you can specify a (absolute) tag path based on a CD mapping.  Say you 
map

/tags_v3/ - D:\MyApplication\v3\tags\

In the new version of the app change

cf_myCustomTag attribute=...

to

cfmodule template=/tags_v3/myCustomTag attribute=...

It would probably be fairly easy to do a global search  replace to do 
this, then if you need to, change it back at some point.


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Subject: Custom Tags Folder


 Not sure this is possible.

 We have a version of an application and we are releasing an updated 
 version.
 Some of the Custom Tags have been updated along with code. We plan on
 rolling this out a few clients at a time.

 Is it possible to set some type of application variable to override the
 customtag directory in CFADMIN? 


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Re: Custom Tags Folder

2005-12-07 Thread Matt Robertson
cfmodule is supposed to be slower than the 'cf_' method.  Anyone have
any idea how much slower?

I use cfmodule exclusively precisely for what Jim is talking about.  I
typically keep tags site-specific as well.  Otherwise, what happens
when one site on the server wants to update their tag-dependent code
and the other 39 don't?

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Re: Custom Tags Folder

2005-12-07 Thread Barney Boisvert
 I typically keep tags site-specific as well.  Otherwise, what happens
 when one site on the server wants to update their tag-dependent code
 and the other 39 don't?

Exactly.  I'd recommend CFIMPORT over CFMODULE for this, but any kind
of global custom tag path stuff is right out.  Set up a mapping
per-site (which can be used for CFCs as well), and then use CFIMPORT
for all your custom tags.

Yes, you then have to duplicate custom tags that are used in multiple
applications, but no, that's not a big deal, because you don't have to
duplicate them anywhere else.  Version control and build systems will
let you maintain a single copy of the tags, and only branch them when
you actually need different versions.

cheers,
barneyb

On 12/7/05, Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 cfmodule is supposed to be slower than the 'cf_' method.  Anyone have
 any idea how much slower?

 I use cfmodule exclusively precisely for what Jim is talking about.  I
 typically keep tags site-specific as well.  Otherwise, what happens
 when one site on the server wants to update their tag-dependent code
 and the other 39 don't?

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Multiple instances Custom Tags folder

2005-11-28 Thread Snake
Found another strange bug when running multiple instances.

Each instance looks for custom tags in the default cfusion instances
Custom Tags folder, and not it's own.

Oh joy of joys

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Re: Multiple instances Custom Tags folder

2005-11-28 Thread Andy Allan
If you modify path based settings in the cfusion instance - even
just submitting the page without making changes - the cfusion
instance name will become hardcoded into all new instances you deploy.

Therefore, for settings such as Custom tags, logging, charting, etc
leave them alone until you have deployed your new instance. (Other
settings, such as server settings, can be tweaked in cfusion. And
when you now deploy a new instance, you'll find that Custom Tags,
logging, etc will have the new instance name, rather than cfusion.

Andy

On 28/11/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Found another strange bug when running multiple instances.

 Each instance looks for custom tags in the default cfusion instances
 Custom Tags folder, and not it's own.

 Oh joy of joys

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Re: Multiple instances Custom Tags folder

2005-11-28 Thread Douglas Knudsen
huh?  really?  This CF7?  CF6 did not do this, each instance looked
into its own customtags folder by default...provided you used a new
WAR file that is.

DK

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 Each instance looks for custom tags in the default cfusion instances
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 Oh joy of joys

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RE: Multiple instances Custom Tags folder

2005-11-28 Thread Snake
Unfortunately I cannot leave the default cfusion instanc euntouched as it
is in use. So any new instance I deploy from the instance manager will take
on the cfusion settings. I have noticed that mappings and DSN's get copied
across to new instances.
So how does one fix the new instances so that they refer to the correct
paths.

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From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 November 2005 14:36
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Multiple instances Custom Tags folder

If you modify path based settings in the cfusion instance - even just
submitting the page without making changes - the cfusion
instance name will become hardcoded into all new instances you deploy.

Therefore, for settings such as Custom tags, logging, charting, etc leave
them alone until you have deployed your new instance. (Other settings, such
as server settings, can be tweaked in cfusion. And when you now deploy a
new instance, you'll find that Custom Tags, logging, etc will have the new
instance name, rather than cfusion.

Andy

On 28/11/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Found another strange bug when running multiple instances.

 Each instance looks for custom tags in the default cfusion instances 
 Custom Tags folder, and not it's own.

 Oh joy of joys

 --
 Snake



 



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Re: Multiple instances Custom Tags folder

2005-11-28 Thread Andy Allan
Yeah, this is a CF7 thing because it's to do with the new Enterprise Manager.

The cfusion instance isn't supposed to be used in production. It's
merely a template for you to use to create your production instances.
Hence why it, and no other instance has the Enterprise Manager.

You can default specific settings in the cfusion instance, i.e. those
on a page that don't affect a path, but for those which are affected,
you'll just need to manually change them afterwards. A pain in the
backside, yeah, but not deal breaking.

Andy

On 28/11/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Unfortunately I cannot leave the default cfusion instanc euntouched as it
 is in use. So any new instance I deploy from the instance manager will take
 on the cfusion settings. I have noticed that mappings and DSN's get copied
 across to new instances.
 So how does one fix the new instances so that they refer to the correct
 paths.

 -Original Message-
 From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 28 November 2005 14:36
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Multiple instances Custom Tags folder

 If you modify path based settings in the cfusion instance - even just
 submitting the page without making changes - the cfusion
 instance name will become hardcoded into all new instances you deploy.

 Therefore, for settings such as Custom tags, logging, charting, etc leave
 them alone until you have deployed your new instance. (Other settings, such
 as server settings, can be tweaked in cfusion. And when you now deploy a
 new instance, you'll find that Custom Tags, logging, etc will have the new
 instance name, rather than cfusion.

 Andy

 On 28/11/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Found another strange bug when running multiple instances.
 
  Each instance looks for custom tags in the default cfusion instances
  Custom Tags folder, and not it's own.
 
  Oh joy of joys
 
  --
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RE: Multiple instances Custom Tags folder

2005-11-28 Thread Snake
Ok, but where do u set the custom tags path for example?

This seems a but silly that your not meant to use the default instance,
otherwise it is a totally waste of memory as each instance takes up around
200mb.

Russ
 

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From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 November 2005 15:15
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Multiple instances Custom Tags folder

Yeah, this is a CF7 thing because it's to do with the new Enterprise
Manager.

The cfusion instance isn't supposed to be used in production. It's merely
a template for you to use to create your production instances.
Hence why it, and no other instance has the Enterprise Manager.

You can default specific settings in the cfusion instance, i.e. those on a
page that don't affect a path, but for those which are affected, you'll just
need to manually change them afterwards. A pain in the backside, yeah, but
not deal breaking.

Andy

On 28/11/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Unfortunately I cannot leave the default cfusion instanc euntouched 
 as it is in use. So any new instance I deploy from the instance 
 manager will take on the cfusion settings. I have noticed that 
 mappings and DSN's get copied across to new instances.
 So how does one fix the new instances so that they refer to the 
 correct paths.

 -Original Message-
 From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 28 November 2005 14:36
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Multiple instances Custom Tags folder

 If you modify path based settings in the cfusion instance - even 
 just submitting the page without making changes - the cfusion
 instance name will become hardcoded into all new instances you deploy.

 Therefore, for settings such as Custom tags, logging, charting, etc 
 leave them alone until you have deployed your new instance. (Other 
 settings, such as server settings, can be tweaked in cfusion. And 
 when you now deploy a new instance, you'll find that Custom Tags, 
 logging, etc will have the new instance name, rather than cfusion.

 Andy

 On 28/11/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Found another strange bug when running multiple instances.
 
  Each instance looks for custom tags in the default cfusion 
  instances Custom Tags folder, and not it's own.
 
  Oh joy of joys
 
  --
  Snake
 
 
 
 



 



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Re: Multiple instances Custom Tags folder

2005-11-28 Thread Raymond Camden
One more reason to use a mapping and cfmodule when calling custom tags. ;)

On 11/28/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Found another strange bug when running multiple instances.

 Each instance looks for custom tags in the default cfusion instances
 Custom Tags folder, and not it's own.

 Oh joy of joys


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RE: Multiple instances Custom Tags folder

2005-11-28 Thread Dave Watts
 This seems a but silly that your not meant to use the default 
 instance, otherwise it is a totally waste of memory as each 
 instance takes up around 200mb.

200 MB? That's a lot of memory for an instance that's not doing anything. On
my machine, an idle instance takes about 40-50 MB.

But anyway, yeah, that's why I prefer using the JRun Admin Console and an
EAR file for managing instances instead of the CF Administrator
functionality.

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RE: Multiple instances Custom Tags folder

2005-11-28 Thread Snake
Do u fancy giving me the run down on doing it that way?
My reason for using the cfadmin instance manager is so that our support
staff can deploy new instances, without having to call me.
But it doesn#t appear to be working very well. 

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 November 2005 15:41
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Multiple instances Custom Tags folder

 This seems a but silly that your not meant to use the default 
 instance, otherwise it is a totally waste of memory as each instance 
 takes up around 200mb.

200 MB? That's a lot of memory for an instance that's not doing anything. On
my machine, an idle instance takes about 40-50 MB.

But anyway, yeah, that's why I prefer using the JRun Admin Console and an
EAR file for managing instances instead of the CF Administrator
functionality.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/

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at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore,
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