Re: Fedora vs. RedHat
On Monday 14 August 2006 03:46, Bobby Hartsfield wrote: > Thats hardly a reason considering that there are plenty of Linux exploits, > viruses and worms as well... not to mention that they are MUCH easier to > disguise in Linux ;-) -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249958 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Fedora vs. RedHat
Thats hardly a reason considering that there are plenty of Linux exploits, viruses and worms as well... not to mention that they are MUCH easier to disguise in Linux ;-) ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 5:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Fedora vs. RedHat On Friday 11 August 2006 10:52, Jerky San Pedro wrote: > I just have one question, why shouldn't people try and run things on > Windows Server if they have the money to spare. Put the can down. Slowly. Do not, repeat, do not open it. Now, back away from the can. There is high chance it contains worms. -- Tom Chiverton, who doesn't understand why you'd ever run anything on Windows if you were starting afresh. This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249692 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Fedora vs. RedHat
On Friday 11 August 2006 10:52, Jerky San Pedro wrote: > I just have one question, why shouldn't people try and run things on > Windows Server if they have the money to spare. Put the can down. Slowly. Do not, repeat, do not open it. Now, back away from the can. There is high chance it contains worms. -- Tom Chiverton, who doesn't understand why you'd ever run anything on Windows if you were starting afresh. This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249537 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Fedora vs. RedHat
I am not yet gonna move to CentOS. I am trying Fedora on for size. I got the disappointment of a lifetime with my RHAS 2.1. I bet it was all easy when you have all RPMs at your fingertips. Any warnings on Fedora and CFMX going together? I just have one question, why shouldn't people try and run things on Windows Server if they have the money to spare. You can always substitute Apache and you wouldn't worry about IIS. Installation is a lot easier on Windows. >Tom Chiverton wrote: >>>Anything that is certified for RHEL will work on CentOS. >> >> >> But won't be supported :-) >> > >By RedHat... ;) > >-- >Warm regards, >Jordan Michaels >Vivio Technologies >http://www.viviotech.net/ >Blue Dragon Alliance Member >[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249536 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Fedora vs. RedHat
Tom Chiverton wrote: > > I've only ever come close to calling Macrodobe once, and offering my own card > never mind a corporate one, due to a massive performance problem. > In the end I did fix it myself (dump error), but it was nice to know I could > have just phone an expert up, given them the SSH keys and let them fix it. i actually did call Adobe once because we were having a problem querying our mainframe DB2 database (OS/390). Didn't have to pay because what we experienced was a known issue involving the return of column labels instead of column names, and the issue was in Coldfusion's JDBC implementation, so even the use of a third party JDBC driver would've resulted in the same issue. Rick ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249424 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Fedora vs. RedHat
On Wednesday 09 August 2006 21:14, Rick Root wrote: > Of course you still can't call up Adobe and get help unless you just > tell them you're using RHEL ;) Indeed. I've only ever come close to calling Macrodobe once, and offering my own card never mind a corporate one, due to a massive performance problem. In the end I did fix it myself (dump error), but it was nice to know I could have just phone an expert up, given them the SSH keys and let them fix it. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249412 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Fedora vs. RedHat
I understand that CentOS won't be "supported" But as long as RHEL continues to be "supported" by Adobe in terms of making sure Coldfusion works on RHEL, then Coldfusion will work on CentOS with zero difficulty. Ie, if RHEL is a QA platform for Adobe, you'll be fine with CentOS. Of course you still can't call up Adobe and get help unless you just tell them you're using RHEL ;) As for the third party updates - yeah I know they're available, I'm just not sure if security updates show up as quickly for redhat 9 via a third party provider versus security updates for a supported product like RHEL. Heck, I suppose even CentOS lags behind RHEL a bit since CentOS can't do their updates until Redhat does theirs... Rick ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249356 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Fedora vs. RedHat
This is the key. I've begun moving *away* from "supported" platforms in many cases because in so many cases the user/community support for a similar, but "unsupported" platform is *so* much better than corporate support. For whatever reason, this has worked out really well for me and my experience has been a really positive one. On 8/9/06, Jordan Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom Chiverton wrote: > >>Anything that is certified for RHEL will work on CentOS. > > > > > > But won't be supported :-) > > > > By RedHat... ;) > > -- > Warm regards, > Jordan Michaels > Vivio Technologies > http://www.viviotech.net/ > Blue Dragon Alliance Member > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249352 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Fedora vs. RedHat
Tom Chiverton wrote: >>Anything that is certified for RHEL will work on CentOS. > > > But won't be supported :-) > By RedHat... ;) -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Blue Dragon Alliance Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249339 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Fedora vs. RedHat
On Wednesday 09 August 2006 15:05, Rick Root wrote: > Do *NOT* use Redhat 9. ... > there are NO security > updates being made for it any more. If you go with Redhat 9, you'll > probably be running a fairly insecure server. http://fedoralegacy.org/updates/RH9/ till at least the end of the year. My home machine is a Legacy box :-) > Anything that is certified for RHEL will work on CentOS. But won't be supported :-) -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249317 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Fedora vs. RedHat
Hi, We can install and use CF on Debian but there is no official support. I also requested official Debian support from Adobe team at CFUnited but I think they have no interest for non-commercial platforms. Debian is one of the most used linux platform on server side and I think an important linux distribution that CF would have official support. Sincerely, Oðuz Demirkapý -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 9. August 2006 16:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Fedora vs. RedHat Jerky San Pedro wrote: > We are upgrading our server from RedHat 7.3 to Fedora 4 or 5 or to Red Hat 9.0. We are also upgrading from ColdFusion 5 to ColdFusion MX 6.1. From what I've read, it seems that support for Red Hat 9.0 has been dropped 2 years ago. Do *NOT* use Redhat 9. It isn't supported, and there are NO security updates being made for it any more. If you go with Redhat 9, you'll probably be running a fairly insecure server. so go with the latest Fedora if you must, but add my name to the list of CentOS supports. Redhat charges $$$ for Redhat Enterprise Linux, but due to licensing restrictions, they are STILL required to release the source code. The CentOS organization reverse-engineers every release from source and builds their own distribution, removing all Redhat copyrighted logos and names. Anything that is certified for RHEL will work on CentOS. Rick ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249307 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Fedora vs. RedHat
Jerky San Pedro wrote: > We are upgrading our server from RedHat 7.3 to Fedora 4 or 5 or to Red Hat > 9.0. We are also upgrading from ColdFusion 5 to ColdFusion MX 6.1. From what > I've read, it seems that support for Red Hat 9.0 has been dropped 2 years > ago. Do *NOT* use Redhat 9. It isn't supported, and there are NO security updates being made for it any more. If you go with Redhat 9, you'll probably be running a fairly insecure server. so go with the latest Fedora if you must, but add my name to the list of CentOS supports. Redhat charges $$$ for Redhat Enterprise Linux, but due to licensing restrictions, they are STILL required to release the source code. The CentOS organization reverse-engineers every release from source and builds their own distribution, removing all Redhat copyrighted logos and names. Anything that is certified for RHEL will work on CentOS. Rick ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249305 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Fedora vs. RedHat
Jerky San Pedro wrote: > We are upgrading our server from RedHat 7.3 to Fedora 4 or 5 or to Red Hat > 9.0. We are also upgrading from ColdFusion 5 to ColdFusion MX 6.1. From what > I've read, it seems that support for Red Hat 9.0 has been dropped 2 years > ago. > > This is my first time to install CF on a Linux Server, and I am actually > dependent on documents and Red Hat seems like a safe choice since information > from Adobe's site is readily available. Whereas for Fedora, the nearest > documentation I can get is the one Adobe made for CFMX 7. I am not even sure > that it's gonna work for MX 6.1, but thing is, I am tempted to use Fedora 5! > Because I know Fedora is better than Red Hat. But somehow, I feel like my > Linux disability would have to stop me. > > Any advices on a feasible plan of action? Red Hat or Fedora? Any places where > I can see facts? Any help? You might also consider taking a look at CentOS (www.centos.org). It's designed to be 100% compatible with RHEL 3 and 4 and we've been running CFMX and BlueDragon off it for many years now. Basically what they do is take RHEL, remove anything proprietary, then release it to the general public. CentOS is also freely kept up to date with patches with YUM. I'd recommend CentOS over the fedoras because of the more extensive testing and the longer release cycle. -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Blue Dragon Alliance Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249294 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Fedora vs. RedHat
Hi Jerky, I asked for similar advice awhile back and was told to look at CentOS (http://www.centos.org/). From the site: "CentOS is an Enterprise-class Linux Distribution derived from sources freely provided to the public by a prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor. CentOS conforms fully with the upstream vendors redistribution policy and aims to be 100% binary compatible. (CentOS mainly changes packages to remove upstream vendor branding and artwork.)" Basically, its Red Hat's enterpise linux product but without the Red Hat name on it. Red Hat won't allow anyone to use their name anymore, hence the name CentOS. Check it out. Rey/// ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249277 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Fedora vs. RedHat
Given your choices, I'd vote for Fedora. RH9 is pretty old by now and no longer supported, I believe, having been phased out by the Enterprise Linux (EL) and Advanced Server (AS) products. Fedora is, at the risk of oversimplification, the testing ground for Redhat's supported Linux versions (the EL and AS products mentioned before). I've used Fedora since Core 2 for a number of services including DNS server, DHCP server, WINS Server, Subversion+Trac platform, etc. The latter is currently running on FC 5 and it's been extremely easy to maintain. The RPMs available through Yum have been the latest releases for most packages. One notable exception...I've never run CF on any of these. That said, Fedora and Redhat are so similar in my experience that recent versions of each behave quite similarly. I've run CFMX 6 & 7 on RHEL3 which, if memory serves, is analagous to FC3 or 4. HTH. On 8/8/06, Jerky San Pedro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are upgrading our server from RedHat 7.3 to Fedora 4 or 5 or to Red Hat > 9.0. We are also upgrading from ColdFusion 5 to ColdFusion MX 6.1. From what > I've read, it seems that support for Red Hat 9.0 has been dropped 2 years ago. > > This is my first time to install CF on a Linux Server, and I am actually > dependent on documents and Red Hat seems like a safe choice since information > from Adobe's site is readily available. Whereas for Fedora, the nearest > documentation I can get is the one Adobe made for CFMX 7. I am not even sure > that it's gonna work for MX 6.1, but thing is, I am tempted to use Fedora 5! > Because I know Fedora is better than Red Hat. But somehow, I feel like my > Linux disability would have to stop me. > > Any advices on a feasible plan of action? Red Hat or Fedora? Any places where > I can see facts? Any help? > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249258 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Fedora vs. RedHat
We are upgrading our server from RedHat 7.3 to Fedora 4 or 5 or to Red Hat 9.0. We are also upgrading from ColdFusion 5 to ColdFusion MX 6.1. From what I've read, it seems that support for Red Hat 9.0 has been dropped 2 years ago. This is my first time to install CF on a Linux Server, and I am actually dependent on documents and Red Hat seems like a safe choice since information from Adobe's site is readily available. Whereas for Fedora, the nearest documentation I can get is the one Adobe made for CFMX 7. I am not even sure that it's gonna work for MX 6.1, but thing is, I am tempted to use Fedora 5! Because I know Fedora is better than Red Hat. But somehow, I feel like my Linux disability would have to stop me. Any advices on a feasible plan of action? Red Hat or Fedora? Any places where I can see facts? Any help? ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249254 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
