RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to be offered by MACR
Thanks, Mike. I can tell I've got a lot to learn... Would you be interested in writing an example of code here that shows how a piece of data, say a name is queried from CF, sent to Flash, the code that Flash uses to receive it and translates it into an ActionScript datatype? Just so I can see one example of everything working together? It looks like we've got three things going: a .cfm file, a .cfc file, and the ActionScript "page." I've seen the coded examples, and the CF makes sense, but the ActionScript...hmmm. It's just a lack of knowledge in how the AS works in conjunction with Flash Remoting and CF. If there's already an example of this somewhere, just point me to it, or if this takes too much time, just let me know. I'll completely understand... Rick -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 2:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to be offered by MACR > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > One of the things that's confusing about how Flash handles data is > how it receives it. Does it receive it as a "set" of > variables or does each > "Result" represent a separate variable from CF? I haven't > figured out how > Flash handles what it gets from CF. I see the code, but > don't understand > it... it depends on the code. If you like, you can send me the code snippet offline and i can answer your question. basically, though, when using Flash remoting you can call ColdFusion components from Flash as if they were local ActionScript methods. Flash will receive whatever the component returns (with the result converted into an ActionScript data type). each Result represents the data returned from calling a method in a ColdFusion component. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to be offered by MACR
> -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > One of the things that's confusing about how Flash handles data is > how it receives it. Does it receive it as a "set" of > variables or does each > "Result" represent a separate variable from CF? I haven't > figured out how > Flash handles what it gets from CF. I see the code, but > don't understand > it... it depends on the code. If you like, you can send me the code snippet offline and i can answer your question. basically, though, when using Flash remoting you can call ColdFusion components from Flash as if they were local ActionScript methods. Flash will receive whatever the component returns (with the result converted into an ActionScript data type). each Result represents the data returned from calling a method in a ColdFusion component. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to be offered by MACR
Thanks, Mike. I'll check out more of the DesDev and the DRK stuff... The Flash interface doesn't bother me, I do timeline based video editing all the time, so I'm confortable with the timeline. The graphic design is very simple, too. It's the ActionScript that I can't deal with unless I start from the beginning. I have no experience with Javascript to draw on, either. I just need some good "training wheels" ActionScript/CF tutorials to get me started on just what you described in your message, then I can elaborate from there. I'm not interested, as so many have advised, at this point, in learning everything there is to know about ActionScript...I just want the minimum to work with CF for now. I'm still evaluating Flash as a tool, except that my trial has now expired... :o( One of the things that's confusing about how Flash handles data is how it receives it. Does it receive it as a "set" of variables or does each "Result" represent a separate variable from CF? I haven't figured out how Flash handles what it gets from CF. I see the code, but don't understand it... Rick -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 1:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to be offered by MACR Rick, well, we have ton of examples (on DesDev and the DRK) but I believe that you said you do not like to learn via examples. We also have a lot of tutorials on examples on desdev: http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/flash/ http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/ here is what i would suggest: 1. forget flash is frame based. (i usually only ever use 1 frame). 2. think of ActionScript as JavaScript. 3. start simple. create a simple form in flash that submits data to CF, and then has CF return data to flash. 4. ask questions. the flash community is huge and very helpful. other than that, we have heard the input from you and other developers and are aiming to provide more tutorials on getting started with flash / actionscript. are there any particular areas you would like covered? mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:09 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now > new course to be offered by MACR > Importance: High > > > Hi, Mike. > > Your work sounds exactly like what I'm trying to make happen. > Any resources you would point me to, to get an Intermediate CF coder > familiar enough with Flash Remoting, especially ActionScript, to > create some "one-page" apps? > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:35 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to > be offered by MACR > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) > > > I like Flash, dont get me wrong, but if all you are doing it > > linking to a DB > > for a static form or grid etc, then you may as well use HTML > > and no I am not > > anti Flash Remoting - far from it, I just dont see the > > business benefit > > (development time = cost) of using say Flash for things > which could be > > developed in normal HTML. > > If all you are doing is presenting data to the user with no > interaction, > then there is not much advantage to using Flash. However, if the users > interacts with that data in any way, then there are > advantages. Namely, > the fact that the entire page will not need to be refreshed to update > the data view (or to submit data, etc). > > btw, that workflow requires no animation. I have been working > with Flash > for about 4 years now, and I dont think i have done any animation for > about 2 years. All of my Flash applications consists of one > Frame which > a bunch of components, and data going back and forth from > Flash and the > server. > > > > What I am driving at is this : there is no real 'Spectrum of > > Participants' > > (sorry Ray) of how to get a movie up and running. > > For what its worth, here is my workflow. > > 1. create functionality of movie using ActionScript and components. > 2. send it to a designer to make it look pretty. > > btw, as far as time and costs, in a lot of cases i think the > developing > in Flash is easier / faster than in HTML since I don't have to write a > bunch of code that maintains client state across page views. > > mike chambers > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to be offered by MACR
Rick, well, we have ton of examples (on DesDev and the DRK) but I believe that you said you do not like to learn via examples. We also have a lot of tutorials on examples on desdev: http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/flash/ http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/ here is what i would suggest: 1. forget flash is frame based. (i usually only ever use 1 frame). 2. think of ActionScript as JavaScript. 3. start simple. create a simple form in flash that submits data to CF, and then has CF return data to flash. 4. ask questions. the flash community is huge and very helpful. other than that, we have heard the input from you and other developers and are aiming to provide more tutorials on getting started with flash / actionscript. are there any particular areas you would like covered? mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:09 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now > new course to be offered by MACR > Importance: High > > > Hi, Mike. > > Your work sounds exactly like what I'm trying to make happen. > Any resources you would point me to, to get an Intermediate CF coder > familiar enough with Flash Remoting, especially ActionScript, to > create some "one-page" apps? > > Rick > > > -Original Message- > From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:35 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to > be offered by MACR > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) > > > I like Flash, dont get me wrong, but if all you are doing it > > linking to a DB > > for a static form or grid etc, then you may as well use HTML > > and no I am not > > anti Flash Remoting - far from it, I just dont see the > > business benefit > > (development time = cost) of using say Flash for things > which could be > > developed in normal HTML. > > If all you are doing is presenting data to the user with no > interaction, > then there is not much advantage to using Flash. However, if the users > interacts with that data in any way, then there are > advantages. Namely, > the fact that the entire page will not need to be refreshed to update > the data view (or to submit data, etc). > > btw, that workflow requires no animation. I have been working > with Flash > for about 4 years now, and I dont think i have done any animation for > about 2 years. All of my Flash applications consists of one > Frame which > a bunch of components, and data going back and forth from > Flash and the > server. > > > > What I am driving at is this : there is no real 'Spectrum of > > Participants' > > (sorry Ray) of how to get a movie up and running. > > For what its worth, here is my workflow. > > 1. create functionality of movie using ActionScript and components. > 2. send it to a designer to make it look pretty. > > btw, as far as time and costs, in a lot of cases i think the > developing > in Flash is easier / faster than in HTML since I don't have to write a > bunch of code that maintains client state across page views. > > mike chambers > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to be offered by MACR
i agree. I was thinking more of static views of data. If you need to sort and filter that data, then there are advantages to using flash. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:41 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now > new course to be offered by MACR > Importance: High > > > > > > If all you are doing is presenting data to the user with no > > interaction, > > then there is not much advantage to using Flash. However, > if the users > > interacts with that data in any way, then there are > > advantages. Namely, > > the fact that the entire page will not need to be refreshed > to update > > the data view (or to submit data, etc). > > I disagree. Things like the datasheet component are very useful for > displaying data. I think any case where you have a large or complex > amount of data to display could use Flash to make the UI easier to > handle. > > Of course, you may have meant interaction to mean sorting or filtering > of some kind. I took interaction to mean editing. > > -ray > > > __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to be offered by MACR
> If all you are doing is presenting data to the user with no interaction, > then there is not much advantage to using Flash. However, if the users > interacts with that data in any way, then there are advantages. Namely, > the fact that the entire page will not need to be refreshed to update > the data view (or to submit data, etc). Depending on the browser, it doesn't need to refresh the entire page now -- and espcially less so with the advance of a standard DOM from the w3c ... Admittedly, there's less issue with browser inconsistency with Flash -- well, now that NS 7 supports MX anyway. > btw, as far as time and costs, in a lot of cases i think the developing > in Flash is easier / faster than in HTML since I don't have to write a > bunch of code that maintains client state across page views. Until the user hits their f5 key. S. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to be offered by MACR
Hi, Mike. Your work sounds exactly like what I'm trying to make happen. Any resources you would point me to, to get an Intermediate CF coder familiar enough with Flash Remoting, especially ActionScript, to create some "one-page" apps? Rick -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to be offered by MACR > -Original Message- > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) > I like Flash, dont get me wrong, but if all you are doing it > linking to a DB > for a static form or grid etc, then you may as well use HTML > and no I am not > anti Flash Remoting - far from it, I just dont see the > business benefit > (development time = cost) of using say Flash for things which could be > developed in normal HTML. If all you are doing is presenting data to the user with no interaction, then there is not much advantage to using Flash. However, if the users interacts with that data in any way, then there are advantages. Namely, the fact that the entire page will not need to be refreshed to update the data view (or to submit data, etc). btw, that workflow requires no animation. I have been working with Flash for about 4 years now, and I dont think i have done any animation for about 2 years. All of my Flash applications consists of one Frame which a bunch of components, and data going back and forth from Flash and the server. > What I am driving at is this : there is no real 'Spectrum of > Participants' > (sorry Ray) of how to get a movie up and running. For what its worth, here is my workflow. 1. create functionality of movie using ActionScript and components. 2. send it to a designer to make it look pretty. btw, as far as time and costs, in a lot of cases i think the developing in Flash is easier / faster than in HTML since I don't have to write a bunch of code that maintains client state across page views. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to be offered by MACR
> > If all you are doing is presenting data to the user with no > interaction, > then there is not much advantage to using Flash. However, if the users > interacts with that data in any way, then there are > advantages. Namely, > the fact that the entire page will not need to be refreshed to update > the data view (or to submit data, etc). I disagree. Things like the datasheet component are very useful for displaying data. I think any case where you have a large or complex amount of data to display could use Flash to make the UI easier to handle. Of course, you may have meant interaction to mean sorting or filtering of some kind. I took interaction to mean editing. -ray __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to be offered by MACR
> -Original Message- > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) > I like Flash, dont get me wrong, but if all you are doing it > linking to a DB > for a static form or grid etc, then you may as well use HTML > and no I am not > anti Flash Remoting - far from it, I just dont see the > business benefit > (development time = cost) of using say Flash for things which could be > developed in normal HTML. If all you are doing is presenting data to the user with no interaction, then there is not much advantage to using Flash. However, if the users interacts with that data in any way, then there are advantages. Namely, the fact that the entire page will not need to be refreshed to update the data view (or to submit data, etc). btw, that workflow requires no animation. I have been working with Flash for about 4 years now, and I dont think i have done any animation for about 2 years. All of my Flash applications consists of one Frame which a bunch of components, and data going back and forth from Flash and the server. > What I am driving at is this : there is no real 'Spectrum of > Participants' > (sorry Ray) of how to get a movie up and running. For what its worth, here is my workflow. 1. create functionality of movie using ActionScript and components. 2. send it to a designer to make it look pretty. btw, as far as time and costs, in a lot of cases i think the developing in Flash is easier / faster than in HTML since I don't have to write a bunch of code that maintains client state across page views. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
