Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

2003-09-17 Thread Mark W. Breneman
I just got back from a client site and they are running CF5 and MS
access.  
The problem is that the MSAccess file grows at least 5 MB per min. thus
filling the hard disk.  I was able to do a simple compact with access
and the file shrunk from 2 GB to 5 MB, but soon after started to grow
again.

Has anyone seen this before?

I assume that since I can shrink the database to 5 MB then it is not
real data that is taking up the 2gb of space.

Anyone have any ideas?

I found that if reset CF it took about 15mins for the growing to start.

Thanks

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770 

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RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

2003-09-17 Thread Dan Phillips \(CFXHosting.com\)
Are they storing client variables in the DB?

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-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


I just got back from a client site and they are running CF5 and MS
access.  
The problem is that the MSAccess file grows at least 5 MB per min. thus
filling the hard disk.  I was able to do a simple compact with access
and the file shrunk from 2 GB to 5 MB, but soon after started to grow
again.

Has anyone seen this before?

I assume that since I can shrink the database to 5 MB then it is not
real data that is taking up the 2gb of space.

Anyone have any ideas?

I found that if reset CF it took about 15mins for the growing to start.

Thanks

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770 


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RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

2003-09-17 Thread Mark W. Breneman
No, we are only using session vars.

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
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  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770

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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

Are they storing client variables in the DB?

Dan Phillips
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-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


I just got back from a client site and they are running CF5 and MS
access.  
The problem is that the MSAccess file grows at least 5 MB per min. thus
filling the hard disk.  I was able to do a simple compact with access
and the file shrunk from 2 GB to 5 MB, but soon after started to grow
again.

Has anyone seen this before?

I assume that since I can shrink the database to 5 MB then it is not
real data that is taking up the 2gb of space.

Anyone have any ideas?

I found that if reset CF it took about 15mins for the growing to start.

Thanks

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770 



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Re: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

2003-09-17 Thread Jim Campbell
Sounds like it might be client variables in the DB - that's the first 
thing I'd check.

- Jim

Mark W. Breneman wrote:

>I just got back from a client site and they are running CF5 and MS
>access.  
>The problem is that the MSAccess file grows at least 5 MB per min. thus
>filling the hard disk.  I was able to do a simple compact with access
>and the file shrunk from 2 GB to 5 MB, but soon after started to grow
>again.
>
>Has anyone seen this before?
>
>I assume that since I can shrink the database to 5 MB then it is not
>real data that is taking up the 2gb of space.
>
>Anyone have any ideas?
>
>I found that if reset CF it took about 15mins for the growing to start.
>
>Thanks
>
>Mark W. Breneman
>-Cold Fusion Developer
>-Network Administrator
>  Vivid Media
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  www.vividmedia.com
>  608.270.9770 
>
>
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RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

2003-09-17 Thread Dan Phillips \(CFXHosting.com\)
Hm...did you see anything in the DB when you had it open?

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From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


No, we are only using session vars.

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770

-Original Message-
From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

Are they storing client variables in the DB?

Dan Phillips
www.CFXHosting.com 
1-866-239-4678
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


I just got back from a client site and they are running CF5 and MS
access.  
The problem is that the MSAccess file grows at least 5 MB per min. thus
filling the hard disk.  I was able to do a simple compact with access
and the file shrunk from 2 GB to 5 MB, but soon after started to grow
again.

Has anyone seen this before?

I assume that since I can shrink the database to 5 MB then it is not
real data that is taking up the 2gb of space.

Anyone have any ideas?

I found that if reset CF it took about 15mins for the growing to start.

Thanks

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770 




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RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

2003-09-17 Thread Mark W. Breneman
Dan,

Nothing out of the ordinary.

I have RDS access the client's server.  I am downloading a back up of
the file I made a few min ago. I'll take a 2nd look.

Thanks.

MB


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From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

Hm...did you see anything in the DB when you had it open?

-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


No, we are only using session vars.

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770

-Original Message-
From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

Are they storing client variables in the DB?

Dan Phillips
www.CFXHosting.com 
1-866-239-4678
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


I just got back from a client site and they are running CF5 and MS
access.  
The problem is that the MSAccess file grows at least 5 MB per min. thus
filling the hard disk.  I was able to do a simple compact with access
and the file shrunk from 2 GB to 5 MB, but soon after started to grow
again.

Has anyone seen this before?

I assume that since I can shrink the database to 5 MB then it is not
real data that is taking up the 2gb of space.

Anyone have any ideas?

I found that if reset CF it took about 15mins for the growing to start.

Thanks

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770 





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RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

2003-09-17 Thread Craig Fisher
What does the application do?  Are there tons of inserts and deletes?  

> -Original Message-
> From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:45 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB
> 
> 
> I just got back from a client site and they are running CF5 and MS
> access.  
> The problem is that the MSAccess file grows at least 5 MB per min. thus
> filling the hard disk.  I was able to do a simple compact with access
> and the file shrunk from 2 GB to 5 MB, but soon after started to grow
> again.
> 
> Has anyone seen this before?
> 
> I assume that since I can shrink the database to 5 MB then it is not
> real data that is taking up the 2gb of space.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas?
> 
> I found that if reset CF it took about 15mins for the growing to start.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mark W. Breneman
> -Cold Fusion Developer
> -Network Administrator
>   Vivid Media
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   www.vividmedia.com
>   608.270.9770 
> 
> 
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RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

2003-09-17 Thread Mark W. Breneman
I am sorry!  The site uses menu monger pro and MM pro does use client
vars.

So yes, it is using client vars.  Now what?  Why did this start to mega
bloat now?  The site has been up and running as is for about a month
with out problems. 

At the rate of an estimated 100MB per hour (I think that is on the low
side) it would only be 20 hours till it built the 2 GB file.

Thanks

MB

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From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

Hm...did you see anything in the DB when you had it open?

-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


No, we are only using session vars.

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770

-Original Message-
From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

Are they storing client variables in the DB?

Dan Phillips
www.CFXHosting.com 
1-866-239-4678
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


I just got back from a client site and they are running CF5 and MS
access.  
The problem is that the MSAccess file grows at least 5 MB per min. thus
filling the hard disk.  I was able to do a simple compact with access
and the file shrunk from 2 GB to 5 MB, but soon after started to grow
again.

Has anyone seen this before?

I assume that since I can shrink the database to 5 MB then it is not
real data that is taking up the 2gb of space.

Anyone have any ideas?

I found that if reset CF it took about 15mins for the growing to start.

Thanks

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770 





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RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

2003-09-17 Thread Dan Phillips \(CFXHosting.com\)
Are you are on CF5 or MX?

-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 5:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


I am sorry!  The site uses menu monger pro and MM pro does use client
vars.

So yes, it is using client vars.  Now what?  Why did this start to mega
bloat now?  The site has been up and running as is for about a month
with out problems. 

At the rate of an estimated 100MB per hour (I think that is on the low
side) it would only be 20 hours till it built the 2 GB file.

Thanks

MB

-Original Message-
From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

Hm...did you see anything in the DB when you had it open?

-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


No, we are only using session vars.

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770

-Original Message-
From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

Are they storing client variables in the DB?

Dan Phillips
www.CFXHosting.com 
1-866-239-4678
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


I just got back from a client site and they are running CF5 and MS
access.  
The problem is that the MSAccess file grows at least 5 MB per min. thus
filling the hard disk.  I was able to do a simple compact with access
and the file shrunk from 2 GB to 5 MB, but soon after started to grow
again.

Has anyone seen this before?

I assume that since I can shrink the database to 5 MB then it is not
real data that is taking up the 2gb of space.

Anyone have any ideas?

I found that if reset CF it took about 15mins for the growing to start.

Thanks

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770 






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Re: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

2003-09-17 Thread Claude Schneegans
>>Has anyone seen this before?

This will happen if you make frequent updates by deleting records and rewriting them 
with different data. I know it is easier, but it leaves plenty of holes in the 
database and every new record takes new space.
One way of avoiding this is to make sure you reuse and update all records you can 
instead of deleting them. It is more work however.

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RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

2003-09-17 Thread Mark W. Breneman
CF5 (as in the subject :-)) I've had a long day too.
MB
-Original Message-
From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

Are you are on CF5 or MX?

-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 5:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


I am sorry!  The site uses menu monger pro and MM pro does use client
vars.

So yes, it is using client vars.  Now what?  Why did this start to mega
bloat now?  The site has been up and running as is for about a month
with out problems. 

At the rate of an estimated 100MB per hour (I think that is on the low
side) it would only be 20 hours till it built the 2 GB file.

Thanks

MB

-Original Message-
From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

Hm...did you see anything in the DB when you had it open?

-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


No, we are only using session vars.

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770

-Original Message-
From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

Are they storing client variables in the DB?

Dan Phillips
www.CFXHosting.com 
1-866-239-4678
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


I just got back from a client site and they are running CF5 and MS
access.  
The problem is that the MSAccess file grows at least 5 MB per min. thus
filling the hard disk.  I was able to do a simple compact with access
and the file shrunk from 2 GB to 5 MB, but soon after started to grow
again.

Has anyone seen this before?

I assume that since I can shrink the database to 5 MB then it is not
real data that is taking up the 2gb of space.

Anyone have any ideas?

I found that if reset CF it took about 15mins for the growing to start.

Thanks

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770 







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RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

2003-09-17 Thread Bruce, Rodney S HQISEC/Veridian IT Services
I had a similar issue, but quite as bad, but an MS access db would grow to
2GB in about a week or less depending on the activity.  

I solved (if you call it that) the issue by doing an automatice compression
of the db everynight.

Let me know and I will email you the code off list.

I got the origanal code from Jochem, so he might have a more updated version
as well.



-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


I just got back from a client site and they are running CF5 and MS
access.  
The problem is that the MSAccess file grows at least 5 MB per min. thus
filling the hard disk.  I was able to do a simple compact with access
and the file shrunk from 2 GB to 5 MB, but soon after started to grow
again.

Has anyone seen this before?

I assume that since I can shrink the database to 5 MB then it is not
real data that is taking up the 2gb of space.

Anyone have any ideas?

I found that if reset CF it took about 15mins for the growing to start.

Thanks

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
  608.270.9770 


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RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

2003-09-17 Thread Mark W. Breneman
Yes please, it may be a good short term fix. Or long term... 

You can mail it to:

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From: Bruce, Rodney S HQISEC/Veridian IT Services
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

I had a similar issue, but quite as bad, but an MS access db would grow
to
2GB in about a week or less depending on the activity.  

I solved (if you call it that) the issue by doing an automatice
compression
of the db everynight.

Let me know and I will email you the code off list.

I got the origanal code from Jochem, so he might have a more updated
version
as well.



-Original Message-
From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB


I just got back from a client site and they are running CF5 and MS
access.  
The problem is that the MSAccess file grows at least 5 MB per min. thus
filling the hard disk.  I was able to do a simple compact with access
and the file shrunk from 2 GB to 5 MB, but soon after started to grow
again.

Has anyone seen this before?

I assume that since I can shrink the database to 5 MB then it is not
real data that is taking up the 2gb of space.

Anyone have any ideas?

I found that if reset CF it took about 15mins for the growing to start.

Thanks

Mark W. Breneman
-Cold Fusion Developer
-Network Administrator
  Vivid Media
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.vividmedia.com
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Re: Help: CF5 is making access file grow to 2GB

2003-09-17 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Bruce, Rodney S HQISEC/Veridian IT Services wrote:

> I had a similar issue, but quite as bad, but an MS access db would grow to
> 2GB in about a week or less depending on the activity.  

You might want to check if your client variables have "global 
updates" enabled, they can add quite a bit of load.


> I solved (if you call it that) the issue by doing an automatice compression
> of the db everynight.
> 
> Let me know and I will email you the code off list.
> 
> I got the origanal code from Jochem, so he might have a more updated version
> as well.

I received some patches (for password protected databases), but 
haven't gotten around testing them yet.

Jochem



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