Re: Hiding Files from a client with access
> Make sure you talk to a lawyer in your state. There are different rules in > each state (and obviously each country) in regards to work-for-hire, > consulting and ownership of work product. My contract basically says the client has an unlimited use license for the code I've written FOR THAT SPECIFIC SITE. They can not use it anywhere else, transfer it to anybody else, or sell it to anybody else without my consent. How many of us have developed certain modules we just re-skin and use over and over again? I've got newsletter applications, rich-mail applications, and number of others I can just drop into any site and restyle. Might look completely different, but the code behind it isn't altered. How do the rest of you charge for this type of thing? I can drop a complete newsletter application into a new site in less than an hour. I've got a set price for the various applications I can add. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:240462 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Hiding Files from a client with access
Make sure you talk to a lawyer in your state. There are different rules in each state (and obviously each country) in regards to work-for-hire, consulting and ownership of work product. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:240456 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Hiding Files from a client with access
yup unless you sign it over to them and you'd be a fool to do so, or say you are employeed by a company then it's thier code. here is why: ok i make a lot of fly fishing sites right, so, say I make a fly shops web site and I release the code and content to them and then I make another fly shops site and the first one comes back and sues the bejesus outta me because they know i probably used a lot of the same code which they now own and they now have the right to sue me and the other fly shop which will probably turn around and sue me as well. So what it you need is to give them a licence to use the code and also that way they can't sell your code for profit. But by law if there is no agreement then the code is yours just like if you took a photo it would belong to you. You can give them the code but you'd need to sign it over to them. It was an eye opener for me and it's one of the first things I talk with my new (and old) clients about now. They are kinda shocked at first but outta the 16 i have on order now not one said no to it. The best defense for this is a good offense and the first thing you do is get a good contract signed before you do squat. I have a generic one i just fill in if anyone wants it. The program "home and business lawyer" is where i got it but I took out the part that signs over the code rights, per my attorney's suggestion. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: Steve Milburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hiding Files from a client with access Really Dave? I'll take your word for it, but I thought the opposite was true. If somebody is paying you to write code, then the code is theirs unless you have a written agreement to the contrary. At least that's the way I understood it. I'm probably wrong though. Steve dave wrote: > Les, > I just had one of these myself and went through all the legal mumbo jumbo and > am pretty versed on it, if you want to email me off list I will send you my #. > > Basically, if you havent given them a written license to use the code and > they move it to another domain or host then they are into copyright > infringment and in big trouble. Unless you sign over your rights to the code > then it remains your property and if you do sign the code over you need to be > smacked up-side-your-empty-head because you could have just ruined your > coding career. > > I'm not going to say what preventive tackics i am using now on here because > it is searchable by google. > > ~Dave the disruptor~ > > --- --- ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:240455 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Hiding Files from a client with access
Really Dave? I'll take your word for it, but I thought the opposite was true. If somebody is paying you to write code, then the code is theirs unless you have a written agreement to the contrary. At least that's the way I understood it. I'm probably wrong though. Steve dave wrote: > Les, > I just had one of these myself and went through all the legal mumbo jumbo and > am pretty versed on it, if you want to email me off list I will send you my #. > > Basically, if you havent given them a written license to use the code and > they move it to another domain or host then they are into copyright > infringment and in big trouble. Unless you sign over your rights to the code > then it remains your property and if you do sign the code over you need to be > smacked up-side-your-empty-head because you could have just ruined your > coding career. > > I'm not going to say what preventive tackics i am using now on here because > it is searchable by google. > > ~Dave the disruptor~ > > --- --- ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:240453 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Hiding Files from a client with access
Les, You could do a couple things. 1. map the CFCs or custom tags out of their FTP area. 2. encrypt the files (easily reversable) 3. password protect their data (which should be already done) 4. remote / ssh into the actual server and mark the files hidden Generally, a combination of all of the above is effective for clients that have not paid their remaining balance. Warmest Regards, Phillip B. Holmes http://phillipholmes.com -Original Message- From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Hiding Files from a client with access Hmmm - I've gotten myself into a slight tricky situation with a client that has full FTP access to their files, and I'm worried about them grabbing and running. In good faith, I want to leave the site up and running, but I'm looking for a way to hide some key elements if they attempt the grab and run so they'd be missing some required components. If http://www.somewhereelse.com/hidemystuff";> worked, I'd have it made. But, that obviously doesn't work. Without getting into the politics of weird clients, is there a good way of doing this, or should I just hold my breath? This is on a shared server. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:240443 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
re: Hiding Files from a client with access
Les, I just had one of these myself and went through all the legal mumbo jumbo and am pretty versed on it, if you want to email me off list I will send you my #. Basically, if you havent given them a written license to use the code and they move it to another domain or host then they are into copyright infringment and in big trouble. Unless you sign over your rights to the code then it remains your property and if you do sign the code over you need to be smacked up-side-your-empty-head because you could have just ruined your coding career. I'm not going to say what preventive tackics i am using now on here because it is searchable by google. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: Les Mizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Hiding Files from a client with access Hmmm - I've gotten myself into a slight tricky situation with a client that has full FTP access to their files, and I'm worried about them grabbing and running. In good faith, I want to leave the site up and running, but I'm looking for a way to hide some key elements if they attempt the grab and run so they'd be missing some required components. If worked, I'd have it made. But, that obviously doesn't work. Without getting into the politics of weird clients, is there a good way of doing this, or should I just hold my breath? This is on a shared server. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:240440 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Hiding Files from a client with access
Custom tags? -Original Message- From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Hiding Files from a client with access Hmmm - I've gotten myself into a slight tricky situation with a client that has full FTP access to their files, and I'm worried about them grabbing and running. In good faith, I want to leave the site up and running, but I'm looking for a way to hide some key elements if they attempt the grab and run so they'd be missing some required components. If http://www.somewhereelse.com/hidemystuff";> worked, I'd have it made. But, that obviously doesn't work. Without getting into the politics of weird clients, is there a good way of doing this, or should I just hold my breath? This is on a shared server. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:240439 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Hiding Files from a client with access
Yes, CF encryption is breakable. There is a site where you can go and decrypt them. However, it is unlikely your customer will know how to do that and they would have to pay someone to do it for them, so odds are if you encrypt them the won't be able to do anything with them. Now I am going to discuss some ideas that could be illegal, Im not sure. So you've been warned. If you are really worried they may leave and take your code without paying you, I would add a few "features" to the admin that you will need to bury as deeply as possible. I would put in a very simple backdoor to the admin that will allow you to bypass any security you put in place and allow you to execute a command to delete the whole web root. That way, if they leave and take the code with them, you can nuke it. If your not as mean spirited as I am, you could just have it so you can shut the app down and show a message on all of the pages of the site stating the site has been shut down for non-payment. This is an idea we kicked around for awhile. Add a call from the app to one of your sites that checks a web service that simply asks, is this client in good standing. If you have flagged this client as bad, it then shuts the app down. HTH, and if you do use any of my suggestion, I did'nt tell you to do it, I dont know you and you are legally on your own. =] -- Alan Rother Macromedia Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:240436 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Hiding Files from a client with access
Les Mizzell wrote: > Hmmm - I've gotten myself into a slight tricky situation with a client > that has full FTP access to their files, and I'm worried about them > grabbing and running. > > In good faith, I want to leave the site up and running, but I'm looking > for a way to hide some key elements if they attempt the grab and run so > they'd be missing some required components. > > If http://www.somewhereelse.com/hidemystuff";> > worked, I'd have it made. But, that obviously doesn't work. > > Without getting into the politics of weird clients, is there a good way > of doing this, or should I just hold my breath? This is on a shared server. You could encrypt your templates. Then they wouldn't have access to the source code until they paid up. (Well.. that's the idea anyway... I've heard rumors of template decryption existing.) This wouldn't be true for BlueDragon though... Bottom line, I hope you asked for 50% up front. ;) We require an "earnest payment" whenever we do work on someone else's server. If we develop on our own servers they are not required to pay the earnest payment. HTH! -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Blue Dragon Alliance Member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:240433 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Hiding Files from a client with access
Put key files on your personal server and CFHTTP them. -Original Message- From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Hiding Files from a client with access Hmmm - I've gotten myself into a slight tricky situation with a client that has full FTP access to their files, and I'm worried about them grabbing and running. In good faith, I want to leave the site up and running, but I'm looking for a way to hide some key elements if they attempt the grab and run so they'd be missing some required components. If http://www.somewhereelse.com/hidemystuff";> worked, I'd have it made. But, that obviously doesn't work. Without getting into the politics of weird clients, is there a good way of doing this, or should I just hold my breath? This is on a shared server. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:240431 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Hiding Files from a client with access
Hmmm - I've gotten myself into a slight tricky situation with a client that has full FTP access to their files, and I'm worried about them grabbing and running. In good faith, I want to leave the site up and running, but I'm looking for a way to hide some key elements if they attempt the grab and run so they'd be missing some required components. If http://www.somewhereelse.com/hidemystuff";> worked, I'd have it made. But, that obviously doesn't work. Without getting into the politics of weird clients, is there a good way of doing this, or should I just hold my breath? This is on a shared server. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:240429 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
