Re: viviotech vps, non-admin linux newbie, rambling questions
Great responses guys, thanks so much. I was also thinking another 256mb would be good if running mysql off it. I never really use webmail anyway except if on holidays. If anyone has anything to add... ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273637 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: viviotech vps, non-admin linux newbie, rambling questions
My thoughts below: On 3/23/07, stylo stylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thinking about a viviotech vps but I'm not an admin and never used linux. Wondering how hard it would be and what people are using there. I've searched and read the good feedback. It's either that or shared hosting somewhere like hostmysite/ct. I know there is a managed solution but wondering if I could toy with an unmanaged one and set it up slowly myself. Would like to hear from anyone but especially people who were in the same boat. This is essentially where I was, although to be fair I had basic Linux/UNIX experience when I started. The control panel lets you do most things without needing to know Linux and the support forum will help you do the rest. Rambling thoughts: Is a basic package with 256mb enough for Bluedragon and mysql4/5 on a not too busy niche commerce site? I thought much more memory would be needed. I added 256MB just to be sure (since it costs stuff all), but here's what top shows me right now: Mem: 524288k av, 107468k used, 416820k free So it's up to you. Don't forget you get a larger amount of swap space to go with that physical memory. Is the line fast enough? Seems good to me. Let me know: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ Find much difference between BD and cfmx on linux? (I know the tag differences.) Not much - the odd thing is different but all the important stuff works as you would expect. Are there problems monitoring BD in case it pegs the cpu? I know you can't use cfmx monitors. What do people do? (I also don't want to be tied to a computer 24hrs a day.) Big issue, small issue? You could set up a cron job to do this kind of thing with shell scripts. It could restart BD automatically etc. What sort of monitoring does viviotech do for you themselves? If something is obviously wrong with their hardware etc they get on it. You can ask Jordan for more details if you need to (I imagine he'll be responding here soon enough anyway). Is it a full-time job for you now monitoring the site yourself and jumping in to fix things all the time? BD had a hiccup once. Updating the system is as hard as typing yum update or using the control panel to do the same thing. How difficult was it to set up such an environment there with a couple extra very minor domains, ftp, email and such? Control Panel does this for you - fill in a form and click a button. Mysql backup has to be done manually? Do you also have to monitor mysql somehow? You could schedule this. MySQL hasn't broken so far. Do you install phpadmin to handle mysql, or something else? I'm not really a command-line guy. I use the MySQL Windows GUI tools - I've given a specific IP access to do this (via the control panel, btw). Navicat is good too. Did you have to become BD/mysql/apache gurus just in order to use them for the site, or left them as-is? I'm afraid I'd do this then find I'd never tweaked some obvious setting which was causing big problems. Nope, worked out of the box. What do you do to ensure security? You can set up firewall rules, schedule updates etc. It's set up quite securely by default. What were the biggest hurdles you faced going it alone? N/A - I haven't looked back. After the service I got at the old provider, I decided I'd do a better job. You can always ask for help on the forums if you get stuck and Jordan often helps for free (and of course you can pay for support if some simple advice is not going to cut it). -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273492 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: viviotech vps, non-admin linux newbie, rambling questions
I'll chime in to give a couple of cents worth I've got a root access VPS package, 512 RAM and BD. I've been using this package since september 30th 2005. There have been few glitches in that time. As James mentions, you can do most things in the web admin panel. So you don't really need much knowledge of Linux. The forums are usually a good place to get some support and Jordan is top notch. You don't have to be a linux guru, but it's nice because if you want to 'customize' some aspects of your VPS (at some point), you have that freedom. That's 2 cents worth. Thanks, Yves On 3/23/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My thoughts below: On 3/23/07, stylo stylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thinking about a viviotech vps but I'm not an admin and never used linux. Wondering how hard it would be and what people are using there. I've searched and read the good feedback. It's either that or shared hosting somewhere like hostmysite/ct. I know there is a managed solution but wondering if I could toy with an unmanaged one and set it up slowly myself. Would like to hear from anyone but especially people who were in the same boat. This is essentially where I was, although to be fair I had basic Linux/UNIX experience when I started. The control panel lets you do most things without needing to know Linux and the support forum will help you do the rest. Rambling thoughts: Is a basic package with 256mb enough for Bluedragon and mysql4/5 on a not too busy niche commerce site? I thought much more memory would be needed. I added 256MB just to be sure (since it costs stuff all), but here's what top shows me right now: Mem: 524288k av, 107468k used, 416820k free So it's up to you. Don't forget you get a larger amount of swap space to go with that physical memory. Is the line fast enough? Seems good to me. Let me know: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ Find much difference between BD and cfmx on linux? (I know the tag differences.) Not much - the odd thing is different but all the important stuff works as you would expect. Are there problems monitoring BD in case it pegs the cpu? I know you can't use cfmx monitors. What do people do? (I also don't want to be tied to a computer 24hrs a day.) Big issue, small issue? You could set up a cron job to do this kind of thing with shell scripts. It could restart BD automatically etc. What sort of monitoring does viviotech do for you themselves? If something is obviously wrong with their hardware etc they get on it. You can ask Jordan for more details if you need to (I imagine he'll be responding here soon enough anyway). Is it a full-time job for you now monitoring the site yourself and jumping in to fix things all the time? BD had a hiccup once. Updating the system is as hard as typing yum update or using the control panel to do the same thing. How difficult was it to set up such an environment there with a couple extra very minor domains, ftp, email and such? Control Panel does this for you - fill in a form and click a button. Mysql backup has to be done manually? Do you also have to monitor mysql somehow? You could schedule this. MySQL hasn't broken so far. Do you install phpadmin to handle mysql, or something else? I'm not really a command-line guy. I use the MySQL Windows GUI tools - I've given a specific IP access to do this (via the control panel, btw). Navicat is good too. Did you have to become BD/mysql/apache gurus just in order to use them for the site, or left them as-is? I'm afraid I'd do this then find I'd never tweaked some obvious setting which was causing big problems. Nope, worked out of the box. What do you do to ensure security? You can set up firewall rules, schedule updates etc. It's set up quite securely by default. What were the biggest hurdles you faced going it alone? N/A - I haven't looked back. After the service I got at the old provider, I decided I'd do a better job. You can always ask for help on the forums if you get stuck and Jordan often helps for free (and of course you can pay for support if some simple advice is not going to cut it). -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273500 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: viviotech vps, non-admin linux newbie, rambling questions
Here are my thoughts On 3/23/07, stylo stylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thinking about a viviotech vps but I'm not an admin and never used linux. Wondering how hard it would be and what people are using there. I've searched and read the good feedback. It's either that or shared hosting somewhere like hostmysite/ct. I know there is a managed solution but wondering if I could toy with an unmanaged one and set it up slowly myself. Would like to hear from anyone but especially people who were in the same boat. Out of the box, the Viviotech VPSs are pretty easy to manage, if you are happy with the default setup... I'm more of al inux person so I actually configured and installed my own mail server (qmail) instead of using the default (postfix)... but there's really no need for that. Is a basic package with 256mb enough for Bluedragon and mysql4/5 on a not too busy niche commerce site? I thought much more memory would be needed. I run www.bobguiney.com on a VPS.. it's not a particularly active web site... it's running BlueDragon and currently is only using 75MB of 256MB physical memory, though the swap file is using 400MB of 512MB I've never had a problem with response time on it though. Find much difference between BD and cfmx on linux? (I know the tag differences.) For basic CFML functionality, bluedragon is a pretty good substitute. I try to make sure all my open source software runs on Bluedragon, and don't usually have much trouble at all. CFMBB, imageCFC, CFOpenChat, BlogCFM, etc... Are there problems monitoring BD in case it pegs the cpu? I know you can't use cfmx monitors. What do people do? (I also don't want to be tied to a computer 24hrs a day.) Big issue, small issue? I don't use any monitors on the VPS and I don't think I've ever had a problem with Bluedragon crashing. Current uptime is 131 days. What sort of monitoring does viviotech do for you themselves? On the unmanaged VPS, I'm not sure they do any monitoring, but you'd have to ask them to be sure. Is it a full-time job for you now monitoring the site yourself and jumping in to fix things all the time? I suppose that depends on your web site. I don't monitor bobguiney.com, I've made very few changes to it over the years, and it quite happily runs itself. The only thing I've really done to it in the last two years is post his blog entries for him. How difficult was it to set up such an environment there with a couple extra very minor domains, ftp, email and such? CP+ makes this all relatively easy. Do you install phpadmin to handle mysql, or something else? I'm not really a command-line guy. You can do that.. or get a GUI to run on your desktop and just grant privileges (through CP+) allowing you to access MySQL remotely. What were the biggest hurdles you faced going it alone? Changing the initial setup from Postfix to Qmail... I'm pretty good with qmail but figuring out how to get CP+ to itnegrate with qmail was a little difficult.. lots of different settings. You should be fine with postfix though. Rick -- CFMBB - Coldfusion Message Boards, Version 1.21 Now Available! http://www.cfmbb.org ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273501 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
viviotech vps, non-admin linux newbie, rambling questions
Thinking about a viviotech vps but I'm not an admin and never used linux. Wondering how hard it would be and what people are using there. I've searched and read the good feedback. It's either that or shared hosting somewhere like hostmysite/ct. I know there is a managed solution but wondering if I could toy with an unmanaged one and set it up slowly myself. Would like to hear from anyone but especially people who were in the same boat. Rambling thoughts: Is a basic package with 256mb enough for Bluedragon and mysql4/5 on a not too busy niche commerce site? I thought much more memory would be needed. Is the line fast enough? Find much difference between BD and cfmx on linux? (I know the tag differences.) Are there problems monitoring BD in case it pegs the cpu? I know you can't use cfmx monitors. What do people do? (I also don't want to be tied to a computer 24hrs a day.) Big issue, small issue? What sort of monitoring does viviotech do for you themselves? Is it a full-time job for you now monitoring the site yourself and jumping in to fix things all the time? How difficult was it to set up such an environment there with a couple extra very minor domains, ftp, email and such? Mysql backup has to be done manually? Do you also have to monitor mysql somehow? Do you install phpadmin to handle mysql, or something else? I'm not really a command-line guy. Did you have to become BD/mysql/apache gurus just in order to use them for the site, or left them as-is? I'm afraid I'd do this then find I'd never tweaked some obvious setting which was causing big problems. What do you do to ensure security? What were the biggest hurdles you faced going it alone? And calling Peter J. Farrell: what happened to the promised part 2 on your blog last year about setting up your vps there? ;-) Thanks for any tips! ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273482 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Linux Newbie
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OT: Linux Newbie
I want to get in to linux... got 3 questions 1. What distro is best? 2. Any one recomend a good book on beginning with Linux? 3. Also, how can I dual boot it with WinXP Pro? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Linux Newbie
I'm a newbie as well... 1. a new mandrake just came out, i hear that's good. I always stick with redhat because it's popular. 2. ... for dummies series is a great start. 3. partition your drives in half, install XP, then linux. Choose to install a boot manager like grep when you install linux. You might have to partition your linux drives by yourself in the linux setup, as it prefers to have a swap partition, a main partition, and sometimes more. (i did this a few weeks ago, still don't know what i'm doing) -nathan strutz -Original Message- From: GH - CF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Linux Newbie I want to get in to linux... got 3 questions 1. What distro is best? 2. Any one recomend a good book on beginning with Linux? 3. Also, how can I dual boot it with WinXP Pro? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
OT: Linux Newbie Advice
Hey All, OK...so I'm going to give this open source hippie stuff a whirl ;-) I have an old AMD K6-2 400 MHz box with Win2K Pro currently installed One big issue is the passwords for this box have been lost. So can I simply install Linux over Windows (i.e. from boot up)? or do I have to wipe the drive first (FDisk)? What do you Linux folks recommend for a Linux package to install (i.e. RedHat version...Mandrake etc.)? Bear in mind I know very little about Linux and I don't want to play the command line game. So a package that has a decent GUI would be nice (I've seen and played a bit with X Windows...seemed nice...but what do I know...hehe). So at this point...any and all advice is welcome (and feel free to send me info offlist). TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137350 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice
So can I simply install Linux over Windows (i.e. from boot up)? or do I have to wipe the drive first (FDisk)? Yes, you can simply install Linux over Windows assuming you don't want access to any of the data on the hard drive. What do you Linux folks recommend for a Linux package to install (i.e. RedHat version...Mandrake etc.)? Bear in mind I know very little about Linux and I don't want to play the command line game. So a package that has a decent GUI would be nice (I've seen and played a bit with X Windows...seemed nice...but what do I know...hehe). I always recommend RedHat to people since it is the most widely used distribution and thus it is easier to get help from others with. After you become more familiar with Linux in general then you can start worrying about why you would choose one distribution over the others. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137351 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice
Thanks Matt So what's the current RedHat version that is stable? where can I grab a copy? Is it installed from a floppy/CD at boot up? I promise to RTFM after I get the dang thing ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:14 PM Subject: Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice So can I simply install Linux over Windows (i.e. from boot up)? or do I have to wipe the drive first (FDisk)? Yes, you can simply install Linux over Windows assuming you don't want access to any of the data on the hard drive. What do you Linux folks recommend for a Linux package to install (i.e. RedHat version...Mandrake etc.)? Bear in mind I know very little about Linux and I don't want to play the command line game. So a package that has a decent GUI would be nice (I've seen and played a bit with X Windows...seemed nice...but what do I know...hehe). I always recommend RedHat to people since it is the most widely used distribution and thus it is easier to get help from others with. After you become more familiar with Linux in general then you can start worrying about why you would choose one distribution over the others. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137353 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Linux Newbie Advice
hippy stuff? LOL! I guess a proper introduction to this would be RTFM! Ha! Yeah, you should be able to grab redhat, mandrake, etc and install right over your windows install. The installers usually run a proggy to partition/format your drive and all. What flavour to use? Try them all and settle on the one you like. Redhat is fairly popular, a good start probably. I've been a Slackware fan myself, but that's real old skool hippy like I suppose. http://linuxiso.org for all of them. Have fun! Doug -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Linux Newbie Advice Hey All, OK...so I'm going to give this open source hippie stuff a whirl ;-) I have an old AMD K6-2 400 MHz box with Win2K Pro currently installed One big issue is the passwords for this box have been lost. So can I simply install Linux over Windows (i.e. from boot up)? or do I have to wipe the drive first (FDisk)? What do you Linux folks recommend for a Linux package to install (i.e. RedHat version...Mandrake etc.)? Bear in mind I know very little about Linux and I don't want to play the command line game. So a package that has a decent GUI would be nice (I've seen and played a bit with X Windows...seemed nice...but what do I know...hehe). So at this point...any and all advice is welcome (and feel free to send me info offlist). TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137352 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice
Bryan, As a Linux Newbie, I'd recommend you look at Mandrake for this first toe in the water. Mandrake is very friendly to noobs, and you'll be able to get up and running in no time. RedHat is better known, and their installer gets better and better with each iteration, but I think Mandrake will be a little more forgiving :) Not to knock RedHat, though. I've had version 8 running on an old Compaq Presario minitower for a year with no reboots, except for when I moved and had to power down for a few days. - Jim Bryan Stevenson wrote: Thanks Matt So what's the current RedHat version that is stable? where can I grab a copy? Is it installed from a floppy/CD at boot up? I promise to RTFM after I get the dang thing ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:14 PM Subject: Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice So can I simply install Linux over Windows (i.e. from boot up)? or do I have to wipe the drive first (FDisk)? Yes, you can simply install Linux over Windows assuming you don't want access to any of the data on the hard drive. What do you Linux folks recommend for a Linux package to install (i.e. RedHat version...Mandrake etc.)? Bear in mind I know very little about Linux and I don't want to play the command line game. So a package that has a decent GUI would be nice (I've seen and played a bit with X Windows...seemed nice...but what do I know...hehe). I always recommend RedHat to people since it is the most widely used distribution and thus it is easier to get help from others with. After you become more familiar with Linux in general then you can start worrying about why you would choose one distribution over the others. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137354 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice
So what's the current RedHat version that is stable? where can I grab a copy? I am currently sticking with RedHat 7.x myself. You could download the ISOs directly from RedHat's FTP and just burn them to CD if you want. You can also buy directly from RedHat, which has the advantage of free technical support. Is it installed from a floppy/CD at boot up? Most of the current distributions boot up from CDs. Further, they tend to provide floppy images on the CD in case you need to create a floppy for machines that can't boot from CD. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137356 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice
So what's the current RedHat version that is stable? where can I grab a copy? I am currently sticking with RedHat 7.x myself. You could download the ISOs directly from RedHat's FTP and just burn them to CD if you want. You can also buy directly from RedHat, which has the advantage of free technical support. Just to take Matt's 7.x endorsement one step further, if you plan to use CF on this machine, you will need to have RedHat 7.2 (or earlier) to use Verity because of the Verity binary version restrictions. While CFMX 6.1 officially supports later versions of RedHat, Verity is not. Regards, Dave. _ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137359 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice
RedHat 9.0 is in wide use and is supported by CFMX 6.1 Purchasing the package for about $39.00 at Best Buy will give you free support and updates (which seem to come about as often as the ones from Microsoft.) When doing the install, be sure to install KDE desktop if you are wanting a GUI to work with. Or if you are wanting to maintain it remotely, install Webmin. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice | Thanks Matt | | So what's the current RedHat version that is stable? where can I grab a | copy? | | Is it installed from a floppy/CD at boot up? | | I promise to RTFM after I get the dang thing ;-) | | Cheers | | Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. | VP Director of E-Commerce Development | Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. | t. 250.920.8830 | e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | - | Macromedia Associate Partner | www.macromedia.com | - | Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group | Founder Director | www.cfug-vancouverisland.com | - Original Message - | From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:14 PM | Subject: Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice | | | So can I simply install Linux over Windows (i.e. from boot up)? or do | I have | to wipe the drive first (FDisk)? | | Yes, you can simply install Linux over Windows assuming you don't want | access to any of the data on the hard drive. | | What do you Linux folks recommend for a Linux package to install (i.e. | RedHat version...Mandrake etc.)? Bear in mind I know very little about | Linux and I don't want to play the command line game. So a package | that has | a decent GUI would be nice (I've seen and played a bit with X | Windows...seemed nice...but what do I know...hehe). | | I always recommend RedHat to people since it is the most widely used | distribution and thus it is easier to get help from others with. After | you become more familiar with Linux in general then you can start | worrying about why you would choose one distribution over the others. | | Matt Liotta | President CEO | Montara Software, Inc. | http://www.MontaraSoftware.com | (888) 408-0900 x901 | | | | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137361 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice
Can WebAdmin work with other GUIs (i.e. could I have Mandrake with X Windows installed and still use WebAdmin)? Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Doug White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice RedHat 9.0 is in wide use and is supported by CFMX 6.1 Purchasing the package for about $39.00 at Best Buy will give you free support and updates (which seem to come about as often as the ones from Microsoft.) When doing the install, be sure to install KDE desktop if you are wanting a GUI to work with. Or if you are wanting to maintain it remotely, install Webmin. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice | Thanks Matt | | So what's the current RedHat version that is stable? where can I grab a | copy? | | Is it installed from a floppy/CD at boot up? | | I promise to RTFM after I get the dang thing ;-) | | Cheers | | Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. | VP Director of E-Commerce Development | Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. | t. 250.920.8830 | e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | - | Macromedia Associate Partner | www.macromedia.com | - | Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group | Founder Director | www.cfug-vancouverisland.com | - Original Message - | From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:14 PM | Subject: Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice | | | So can I simply install Linux over Windows (i.e. from boot up)? or do | I have | to wipe the drive first (FDisk)? | | Yes, you can simply install Linux over Windows assuming you don't want | access to any of the data on the hard drive. | | What do you Linux folks recommend for a Linux package to install (i.e. | RedHat version...Mandrake etc.)? Bear in mind I know very little about | Linux and I don't want to play the command line game. So a package | that has | a decent GUI would be nice (I've seen and played a bit with X | Windows...seemed nice...but what do I know...hehe). | | I always recommend RedHat to people since it is the most widely used | distribution and thus it is easier to get help from others with. After | you become more familiar with Linux in general then you can start | worrying about why you would choose one distribution over the others. | | Matt Liotta | President CEO | Montara Software, Inc. | http://www.MontaraSoftware.com | (888) 408-0900 x901 | | | | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137364 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: Linux Newbie Advice
Bryan, Overall, I found SuSE 8.2 to be the easiest to install on an older machine. I'm a complete Linux newbie and didn't want to fool with the comand line during installation. SuSE install was straightforward and went without any hitches. It even recognized my windows network connection and DHCP and I can surf the net without any additional configuration. Others I tried: - I could install Mandrake 7.2, but it didn't recognize the D-Link DFE-530TX+ (my ethernet card). I found a Linux driver but coudn't really follow the install instructions, so I bailed out. - I couldn't install RedHat 9.1 because it didn't seem to work with my video card. My computer is old enough that I don't even have an AGP port. So RedHat 9.1 was out of the question (although I installed it on my laptop without issue). I picked SuSE because it had a reputation for ease of installation and it supposedly will support CFMX 6.1, although I have not tried installing CF yet. Hope this helps, from one newb to another. Oh yeah, I installed Linux right over Windows 98 -- it wipes the drive. -- Marc A. Garrett since1968.com Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey All, So can I simply install Linux over Windows (i.e. from boot up)? or do I have to wipe the drive first (FDisk)? ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137365 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: Linux Newbie Advice
One big issue is the passwords for this box have been lost. Are you concerned about recovering the data on the machine? If so, installing Linux won't necessarily help you (especially if you end up repartitioning or reformatting). You might want to try NT Locksmith and/or NT Recover: http://www.winternals.com/ Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137368 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: OT: Linux Newbie Advice
Can WebAdmin work with other GUIs (i.e. could I have Mandrake with X Windows installed and still use WebAdmin)? Yes, it does. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137367 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice
Webmin (and usermin) should work with any Linux distro - but to be sure, read the docs on sourceforge == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice | Can WebAdmin work with other GUIs (i.e. could I have Mandrake with X Windows | installed and still use WebAdmin)? | | Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. | VP Director of E-Commerce Development | Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. | t. 250.920.8830 | e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | - | Macromedia Associate Partner | www.macromedia.com | - | Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group | Founder Director | www.cfug-vancouverisland.com | - Original Message - | From: Doug White [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:59 PM | Subject: Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice | | | RedHat 9.0 is in wide use and is supported by CFMX 6.1 | | Purchasing the package for about $39.00 at Best Buy will give you free | support | and updates (which seem to come about as often as the ones from | Microsoft.) | | When doing the install, be sure to install KDE desktop if you are wanting | a GUI | to work with. Or if you are wanting to maintain it remotely, install | Webmin. | | == | Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! | For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com | Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. | ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 | Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: | http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf | == | If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! | | - Original Message - | From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:23 PM | Subject: Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice | | | | Thanks Matt | | | | So what's the current RedHat version that is stable? where can I grab a | | copy? | | | | Is it installed from a floppy/CD at boot up? | | | | I promise to RTFM after I get the dang thing ;-) | | | | Cheers | | | | Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. | | VP Director of E-Commerce Development | | Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. | | t. 250.920.8830 | | e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | - | | Macromedia Associate Partner | | www.macromedia.com | | - | | Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group | | Founder Director | | www.cfug-vancouverisland.com | | - Original Message - | | From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:14 PM | | Subject: Re: OT: Linux Newbie Advice | | | | | | So can I simply install Linux over Windows (i.e. from boot up)? or | do | | I have | | to wipe the drive first (FDisk)? | | | | Yes, you can simply install Linux over Windows assuming you don't want | | access to any of the data on the hard drive. | | | | What do you Linux folks recommend for a Linux package to install | (i.e. | | RedHat version...Mandrake etc.)? Bear in mind I know very little | about | | Linux and I don't want to play the command line game. So a package | | that has | | a decent GUI would be nice (I've seen and played a bit with X | | Windows...seemed nice...but what do I know...hehe). | | | | I always recommend RedHat to people since it is the most widely used | | distribution and thus it is easier to get help from others with. After | | you become more familiar with Linux in general then you can start | | worrying about why you would choose one distribution over the others. | | | | Matt Liotta | | President CEO | | Montara Software, Inc. | | http://www.MontaraSoftware.com | | (888) 408-0900 x901 | | | | | | | | | | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137373 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http
Re: Linux Newbie Advice
Are you concerned about recovering the data on the machine? If so, installing Linux won't necessarily help you (especially if you end up repartitioning or reformatting). You might want to try NT Locksmith and/or NT Recover: Assuming NTFS wasn't used then the file system could be accessed directly from Linux without issue. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137374 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: Linux Newbie Advice
Nope...no valued data...just thought i might need to get access to Windows to toast it and get Linux ontotal drive wipe is fine ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: RE: Linux Newbie Advice One big issue is the passwords for this box have been lost. Are you concerned about recovering the data on the machine? If so, installing Linux won't necessarily help you (especially if you end up repartitioning or reformatting). You might want to try NT Locksmith and/or NT Recover: http://www.winternals.com/ Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137392 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Linux Newbie Advice
Are you concerned about recovering the data on the machine? If so, installing Linux won't necessarily help you (especially if you end up repartitioning or reformatting). You might want to try NT Locksmith and/or NT Recover: ... Assuming NTFS wasn't used then the file system could be accessed directly from Linux without issue. Even if you used NTFS originally, you can usually get to the filesystem using Linux, and bypass NTFS ACLs as well of course. I don't think you'll be able to get to it if you reformat or repartition your disk during the Linux install, though. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137398 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: Linux Newbie Advice
Even if you used NTFS originally, you can usually get to the filesystem using Linux, and bypass NTFS ACLs as well of course. I don't think you'll be able to get to it if you reformat or repartition your disk during the Linux install, though. NTFS support in Linux is always up in the air. Last I heard, they have a special Windows tool that you have to run in order to use NTFS in Windows after Linux mucked with it. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137402 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: Linux Newbie Advice
I've never had any trouble with NTFS from Linux (using Mandrake 8/9). Matt Liotta wrote: Even if you used NTFS originally, you can usually get to the filesystem using Linux, and bypass NTFS ACLs as well of course. I don't think you'll be able to get to it if you reformat or repartition your disk during the Linux install, though. NTFS support in Linux is always up in the air. Last I heard, they have a special Windows tool that you have to run in order to use NTFS in Windows after Linux mucked with it. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137406 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: Linux Newbie Advice
I've never had any trouble with NTFS from Linux (using Mandrake 8/9). Which kernel are you using and are you writing to NTFS from Linux and then making use of the data from Windows later? Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137409 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: Linux Newbie Advice
I think the kernal is 2.4.21. But when I think about it, I haven't actually used the data in Windows. (I use Windows data in Linux and Linux data in Linux, but not Linux data in Windows.) Matt Liotta wrote: I've never had any trouble with NTFS from Linux (using Mandrake 8/9). Which kernel are you using and are you writing to NTFS from Linux and then making use of the data from Windows later? Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137411 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
