RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
Still no example huh... -Original Message- From: Denny Valliant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV On 11/6/06, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > but it's pretty tough to look /all/ the way > > up that high... > > Especially if you deleted this thread days ago like I did. Yeah, gotta love those subjectless posts, neh? :) ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:259598 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
On 11/6/06, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > but it's pretty tough to look /all/ the way > > up that high... > > Especially if you deleted this thread days ago like I did. Yeah, gotta love those subjectless posts, neh? :) ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:259584 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
> but it's pretty tough to look /all/ the way > up that high... Especially if you deleted this thread days ago like I did. -Original Message- From: Denny Valliant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV On 11/2/06, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I really cared to look up the ORGINAL 'flippant comment' and the person > who posted it, I would have called you Denny. But still no example I see. Or you could have actually read Josh's reply, I guess, where he said who said. =P The orig question was for CSS, IIRC, but it's pretty tough to look /all/ the way up that high... and you know how gmail does subjects... If you're ever late for today... you can say you're early for tomorrow... -some song about jobs =] > -Original Message- > From: Denny Valliant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 2:12 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > > It was a flippant comment, in response to a flippant comment. Context > is cool! ;-) > > You can call me Denny, btw- although I'm also a person. =] > > On 11/1/06, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ahh ok sorry. I overlooked the names. SO maybe the person who DID say it > can > > offer an example? > > > > I don't really think this falls under the "to 'CSS' or to 'Table'" debate > > though. :-) if you can do it in either... id like to see it. > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:20 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > > > > I said originally it was a hack, and I wasn't the one who said "I'd use a > > table", that was Denny. I just provided an admittedly hack method to > > achieve the desired result given certain circumstances. > > > > But, I would use a table anyway. I can't be "stuffed" with css layouts > most > > of the time. Call me when someone develops CLS (Cascading Layout Sheets) > > ;0) > > > > -- Josh ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:259400 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
On 11/2/06, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I really cared to look up the ORGINAL 'flippant comment' and the person > who posted it, I would have called you Denny. But still no example I see. Or you could have actually read Josh's reply, I guess, where he said who said. =P The orig question was for CSS, IIRC, but it's pretty tough to look /all/ the way up that high... and you know how gmail does subjects... If you're ever late for today... you can say you're early for tomorrow... -some song about jobs =] > -Original Message- > From: Denny Valliant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 2:12 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > > It was a flippant comment, in response to a flippant comment. Context > is cool! ;-) > > You can call me Denny, btw- although I'm also a person. =] > > On 11/1/06, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ahh ok sorry. I overlooked the names. SO maybe the person who DID say it > can > > offer an example? > > > > I don't really think this falls under the "to 'CSS' or to 'Table'" debate > > though. :-) if you can do it in either... id like to see it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:20 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > > > > I said originally it was a hack, and I wasn't the one who said "I'd use a > > table", that was Denny. I just provided an admittedly hack method to > > achieve the desired result given certain circumstances. > > > > But, I would use a table anyway. I can't be "stuffed" with css layouts > most > > of the time. Call me when someone develops CLS (Cascading Layout Sheets) > > ;0) > > > > -- Josh ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:259394 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
> > Another little cheat, but not sure if it would work in your case: > > > > > > > Your Text > > > Nah... doesn't work, well atleast in Firefox. the text will only wrap around the image after the image. http://phat-links.com/img-test.cfm ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:259210 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
On 11/1/06, Josh Nathanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Caveat: It's not a true float as you have to fix the width of the outer > table. But, if you can do that you can achieve the desired effect. Not > sure if this is easier than doing the same thing with a div or not. Another little cheat, but not sure if it would work in your case: Your Text Obviously, you would need to have an idea of the height of the container, or a relative idea of the height of the left div. It should still float right and wrap around the image at the padding that you specify, if i am not mistaken. jc ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:259192 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
If I really cared to look up the ORGINAL 'flippant comment' and the person who posted it, I would have called you Denny. But still no example I see. -Original Message- From: Denny Valliant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 2:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV It was a flippant comment, in response to a flippant comment. Context is cool! ;-) You can call me Denny, btw- although I'm also a person. =] On 11/1/06, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ahh ok sorry. I overlooked the names. SO maybe the person who DID say it can > offer an example? > > I don't really think this falls under the "to 'CSS' or to 'Table'" debate > though. :-) if you can do it in either... id like to see it. > > -Original Message- > From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:20 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > > I said originally it was a hack, and I wasn't the one who said "I'd use a > table", that was Denny. I just provided an admittedly hack method to > achieve the desired result given certain circumstances. > > But, I would use a table anyway. I can't be "stuffed" with css layouts most > of the time. Call me when someone develops CLS (Cascading Layout Sheets) > ;0) > > -- Josh ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258949 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
It was a flippant comment, in response to a flippant comment. Context is cool! ;-) You can call me Denny, btw- although I'm also a person. =] On 11/1/06, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ahh ok sorry. I overlooked the names. SO maybe the person who DID say it can > offer an example? > > I don't really think this falls under the "to 'CSS' or to 'Table'" debate > though. :-) if you can do it in either... id like to see it. > > -Original Message- > From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:20 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > > I said originally it was a hack, and I wasn't the one who said "I'd use a > table", that was Denny. I just provided an admittedly hack method to > achieve the desired result given certain circumstances. > > But, I would use a table anyway. I can't be "stuffed" with css layouts most > of the time. Call me when someone develops CLS (Cascading Layout Sheets) > ;0) > > -- Josh ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258881 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
>Sandy, you've mentioned these CSS "rules" a couple of times the past few >weeks. Is there a place where all these "rules" reside in one place? >Wasn't there like 72 of them or something? > Ray, you might be referring to a post I made while taking tips from sandy a week or so ago. I prob said 72 rules, but was just exaggerating for effect. There were 9 but it seemed like 72 cause each one is a lot to handle (for me anyway). :) Will ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258852 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
Ahh ok sorry. I overlooked the names. SO maybe the person who DID say it can offer an example? I dont really think this falls under the "to 'CSS' or to 'Table'" debate though. :-) if you can do it in either... id like to see it. -Original Message- From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV I said originally it was a hack, and I wasn't the one who said "I'd use a table", that was Denny. I just provided an admittedly hack method to achieve the desired result given certain circumstances. But, I would use a table anyway. I can't be "stuffed" with css layouts most of the time. Call me when someone develops CLS (Cascading Layout Sheets) ;0) -- Josh - Original Message - From: "Bobby Hartsfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV >> You have to do a table within a table, and hack a little, but >> it's a lot easier than with a div. >> >> http://www.oakcitygraphics.com/image_align_right_bottom.html > > > That's a horrible hack... especially the actual placement of the bottom > right table needing to be scrupulously placed into the text at a position > that makes it look the best. How would you do that dynamically without > knowing how much text will be displayed or how big an image might be in > the > bottom right table? Counting characters is out with non-fixed fonts... not > to mention the obvious issues of having another taller column left or > right > of the main column... > > You may as well just float a background bottom right and used BR tags to > keep text off of it. It doesn't work dynamically either but it wouldn't > use > tables just as bad of an idea. > > Sorry, but I just assumed you had a sure fire method with tables since you > so boldly stated, "I'd use a table" and left it at that. > > I've always wished (I'm sure I'm not alone) that float had a vertical set > to > go with the horizontal (like background or background-image does) but > without it, I think you have yourself a genuine problem with dynamic data. > > I thought about using JS to position it and have the text wrap and luckily > I > found an example without having to write it :-) > > It uses another image to push the other down. You could make the 'pusher' > image a transparent pixel gif easily. > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~jer03n/sandbox/float-bottom-right.html > > although, it's another method I wouldn't use unless it was ok for the > image to float top right when JS is disabled. I'm not sure if that's > acceptable in your case but it is 'table-less'. > > > ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. > Bobby Hartsfield > http://acoderslife.com > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/511 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 > 9:40 AM > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258800 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
I said originally it was a hack, and I wasn't the one who said "I'd use a table", that was Denny. I just provided an admittedly hack method to achieve the desired result given certain circumstances. But, I would use a table anyway. I can't be "stuffed" with css layouts most of the time. Call me when someone develops CLS (Cascading Layout Sheets) ;0) -- Josh - Original Message - From: "Bobby Hartsfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV >> You have to do a table within a table, and hack a little, but >> it's a lot easier than with a div. >> >> http://www.oakcitygraphics.com/image_align_right_bottom.html > > > That's a horrible hack... especially the actual placement of the bottom > right table needing to be scrupulously placed into the text at a position > that makes it look the best. How would you do that dynamically without > knowing how much text will be displayed or how big an image might be in > the > bottom right table? Counting characters is out with non-fixed fonts... not > to mention the obvious issues of having another taller column left or > right > of the main column... > > You may as well just float a background bottom right and used BR tags to > keep text off of it. It doesn't work dynamically either but it wouldn't > use > tables just as bad of an idea. > > Sorry, but I just assumed you had a sure fire method with tables since you > so boldly stated, "I'd use a table" and left it at that. > > I've always wished (I'm sure I'm not alone) that float had a vertical set > to > go with the horizontal (like background or background-image does) but > without it, I think you have yourself a genuine problem with dynamic data. > > I thought about using JS to position it and have the text wrap and luckily > I > found an example without having to write it :-) > > It uses another image to push the other down. You could make the 'pusher' > image a transparent pixel gif easily. > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~jer03n/sandbox/float-bottom-right.html > > although, it's another method I wouldn't use unless it was ok for the > image to float top right when JS is disabled. I'm not sure if that's > acceptable in your case but it is 'table-less'. > > > ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. > Bobby Hartsfield > http://acoderslife.com > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/511 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 > 9:40 AM > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258789 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
> You have to do a table within a table, and hack a little, but > it's a lot easier than with a div. > > http://www.oakcitygraphics.com/image_align_right_bottom.html Thats a horrible hack... especially the actual placement of the bottom right table needing to be scrupulously placed into the text at a position that makes it look the best. How would you do that dynamically without knowing how much text will be displayed or how big an image might be in the bottom right table? Counting characters is out with non-fixed fonts... not to mention the obvious issues of having another taller column left or right of the main column... You may as well just float a background bottom right and used BR tags to keep text off of it. It doesnt work dynamically either but it wouldnt use tables just as bad of an idea. Sorry, but I just assumed you had a sure fire method with tables since you so boldly stated, "I'd use a table" and left it at that. I've always wished (I'm sure I'm not alone) that float had a vertical set to go with the horizontal (like background or background-image does) but without it, I think you have yourself a genuine problem with dynamic data. I thought about using JS to position it and have the text wrap and luckily I found an example without having to write it :-) It uses another image to push the other down. You could make the 'pusher' image a transparent pixel gif easily. http://www.xs4all.nl/~jer03n/sandbox/float-bottom-right.html although, it's another method I wouldnt use unless it was ok for the image to float top right when JS is disabled. I'm not sure if thats acceptable in your case but it is 'table-less'. ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/511 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 9:40 AM ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258774 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
Caveat: It's not a true float as you have to fix the width of the outer table. But, if you can do that you can achieve the desired effect. Not sure if this is easier than doing the same thing with a div or not. -- Josh - Original Message - From: "Josh Nathanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > You have to do a table within a table, and hack a little, but it's a lot > easier than with a div. > > http://www.oakcitygraphics.com/image_align_right_bottom.html > > -- Josh > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Bobby Hartsfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:20 AM > Subject: RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > > >>> I'd use a table. :-P >> >> How so? >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/511 - Release Date: >> 11/1/2006 >> 9:40 AM >> >> >> >> >> > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258737 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
You have to do a table within a table, and hack a little, but it's a lot easier than with a div. http://www.oakcitygraphics.com/image_align_right_bottom.html -- Josh - Original Message - From: "Bobby Hartsfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV >> I'd use a table. :-P > > How so? > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/511 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 > 9:40 AM > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258733 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
On Wednesday at 5:15pm Denny Valliant wrote > I'd use a table. :-P See, that's what I'm talking about, and as soon as I hit send I knew there'd be mention of a table in there somewhere! Too cute :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by ISPNZ's automated virus detection system, and is believed to be clean. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258732 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
> I'd use a table. :-P How so? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.13.21/511 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 9:40 AM ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258723 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
Even a table wouldn't give him the result for which he's looking. Assuming you had a 3x3 table, with the image in the bottom right corner, the text still would not be able to wrap around it at the bottom. -Original Message- From: Denny Valliant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV On 10/31/06, Mark Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . > Maybe I got a little carried away up there. Who knows. Denny, what do > you think?? J/k!! I'd use a table. :-P Loved the ascii art, BTW! =D3 ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258681 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
On 10/31/06, Denny Valliant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd use a table. :-P Thank you all for your assistance. In the end I was attempting to mimic what our Designer put into the layout template but I guess there are times when this just can't happen without much additional overhead. Kinda funny that with all the advancements of the browser it still doesn't understand where a pixel is located on its canvas and allow a developer to code around a paticular square weather it be 30 pixels or 300 Desired effect: xxx xxx xxx +-+ | | | | | | Xxxx +-+ I could find length of a paragraph of text and break that into s separate div for display around the picture but for this project I think Jennifer (designer) won't mind much if I do something else. Thanks again everyone, you're all rock stars in my book! -- Casey ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258665 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
On 10/31/06, Mark Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe I got a little carried away up there. Who knows. Denny, what do > you think?? J/k!! I'd use a table. :-P Loved the ascii art, BTW! =D3 ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258652 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
Casey Dougall wrote > I've been looking all around and maybe it's the 1/2 cup of > java that's slowing me down but I can't seem to find any CSS > resources that show a person placing an image on the bottom > right of a div . Text would wrap above and to the left of the image. Then Sandra Clark wrote: > Try floating the image on the top right of a div beneath this > particular div instead. Unfortunately that's not going to solve Casey's problem in this case, since doing that will still only result in the image (aligned right) but directly below all the text in the above div, which, unless I'm mistaken is not the desired effect. Please excuse the following ASCII art. I assure you I'm better with a pencil or a paint brush! Desired effect: xxx xxx xxx +-+ | | | | | | Xxxx +-+ Image floated below in same OR separate div: xxx xxx xxx ++ | | | | ++ CSS doesn't really offer a solution for this I'm afraid. But that doesn't help much, does it? However, it *can* be done, but it's messy, far from ideal, and whether or not it should be is another question entirely: http://mrclay.org/web_design/bottom_float.php Just an FYI, but generally when this kind of positioning is required (bottom left or bottom right with respect to its ancestor, or a variant of), it is better to relatively position a container, and then absolutely position the child. An example: The CSS #container {position: relative; width: 400px; height: 125px;} #copyright {position: absolute; right: 10px; bottom: 10px;} The HTML © Casey Dougall 2006 Caveat: this is best used for laying out certain elements on a page like part of a footer (not to be confused with the layout itself, since absolute positioning should be avoided in almost all layout instances). And again, this wont work in your situation since you require text to interact (wrap) with the image in question. Maybe I got a little carried away up there. Who knows. Denny, what do you think?? J/k!! HTH Mark -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by ISPNZ's automated virus detection system, and is believed to be clean. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258649 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
Sure, take her class. Syllabus Positioning via Floats * Description of Floating * Floating Rules * Float Behaviors * Clearing a Float http://www.shayna.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=training.syllabus_display&id=3 Bwahhhaahhhaaahhaa! (I wish I could take her class.) On 10/31/06, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sandy, you've mentioned these CSS "rules" a couple of times the past few > weeks. Is there a place where all these "rules" reside in one place? > Wasn't there like 72 of them or something? ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258536 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
What version and OS? I'm looking at it on FF2.0 and it looks fine (also looks fine on FF 1.5) both Win XP Sp2. Send me a screen shot with the information? If there is enough interest, I'll put a class together, I need at least 6 people to hold a class and make it worth my while (covering rental costs and time off from my regular job without pay). I'm re-thinking my classes, might go the WBT route instead and price it by module. But that won't be for a while, I'm swamped right now. Sandra Clark == http://www.shayna.com Training in Cascading Style Sheets and Accessibility -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV On 10/31/06, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sure, take her class. > > Syllabus > > Positioning via Floats > > * Description of Floating > * Floating Rules > * Float Behaviors > * Clearing a Float > > http://www.shayna.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=training.syllabus_display&i > d=3 > > Bwahhhaahhhaaahhaa! Fix the class information prices so they line up correctly on Firefox and I might think about it. ;-) Just kidding Sandra, you provide lots of good tips. just an FYI it's F#$% up on firefox. Un-bolded text show up way to the left and a line under the bold text. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258542 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
On 10/31/06, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sure, take her class. > > Syllabus > > Positioning via Floats > > * Description of Floating > * Floating Rules > * Float Behaviors > * Clearing a Float > > http://www.shayna.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=training.syllabus_display&id=3 > > Bwahhhaahhhaaahhaa! Fix the class information prices so they line up correctly on Firefox and I might think about it. ;-) Just kidding Sandra, you provide lots of good tips. just an FYI it's F#$% up on firefox. Un-bolded text show up way to the left and a line under the bold text. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258538 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
On 10/31/06, Sandra Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Found it, it was dying at 1024 x 768. I'm uploading a fix for the dl now. > Should be up in around 5 minutes. Yeah, working from home today only 16 inch monitors (yuck) Casey ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258547 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
Found it, it was dying at 1024 x 768. I'm uploading a fix for the dl now. Should be up in around 5 minutes. Thanks for the heads up! Sandra Clark == http://www.shayna.com Training in Cascading Style Sheets and Accessibility -Original Message- From: Sandra Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV What version and OS? I'm looking at it on FF2.0 and it looks fine (also looks fine on FF 1.5) both Win XP Sp2. Send me a screen shot with the information? If there is enough interest, I'll put a class together, I need at least 6 people to hold a class and make it worth my while (covering rental costs and time off from my regular job without pay). I'm re-thinking my classes, might go the WBT route instead and price it by module. But that won't be for a while, I'm swamped right now. Sandra Clark == http://www.shayna.com Training in Cascading Style Sheets and Accessibility -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV On 10/31/06, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sure, take her class. > > Syllabus > > Positioning via Floats > > * Description of Floating > * Floating Rules > * Float Behaviors > * Clearing a Float > > http://www.shayna.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=training.syllabus_display&i > d=3 > > Bwahhhaahhhaaahhaa! Fix the class information prices so they line up correctly on Firefox and I might think about it. ;-) Just kidding Sandra, you provide lots of good tips. just an FYI it's F#$% up on firefox. Un-bolded text show up way to the left and a line under the bold text. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258543 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
On 10/31/06, Doug Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here is a link to check out > > > http://codex.wordpress.org/Wrapping_Text_Around_Images Yeah I checked it out but, I don't see anything in there about floating image bottom right. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258530 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
Looks fine here on FF2.0. > -Original Message- > From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:27 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > > On 10/31/06, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Sure, take her class. > > > > Syllabus > > > > Positioning via Floats > > > > * Description of Floating > > * Floating Rules > > * Float Behaviors > > * Clearing a Float > > > > http://www.shayna.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=training.syllabus_display&id=3 > > > > Bwahhhaahhhaaahhaa! > > > Fix the class information prices so they line up correctly on Firefox and I > might think about it. ;-) Just kidding Sandra, you provide lots of good > tips. just an FYI it's F#$% up on firefox. Un-bolded text show up way to the > left and a line under the bold text. > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258541 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
Me too. Someday, hopefully, when I convert this place from table-based layouts to CSS. :) Who knows, it might be closer than I think, we're light-years closer than we were a year ago... > -Original Message- > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:52 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > Importance: High > > Sure, take her class. > > Syllabus > > Positioning via Floats > > * Description of Floating > * Floating Rules > * Float Behaviors > * Clearing a Float > > http://www.shayna.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=training.syllabus_display&id=3 > > Bwahhhaahhhaaahhaa! > > (I wish I could take her class.) > > On 10/31/06, Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sandy, you've mentioned these CSS "rules" a couple of times the past few > > weeks. Is there a place where all these "rules" reside in one place? > > Wasn't there like 72 of them or something? > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258540 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
Here is a link to check out http://codex.wordpress.org/Wrapping_Text_Around_Images - Original Message - From: "Casey Dougall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:24 AM Subject: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > I've been looking all around and maybe it's the 1/2 cup of java that's > slowing me down but I can't seem to find any CSS resources that show a > person placing an image on the bottom right of a div . Text would wrap > above > and to the left of the image. > > Anyone got a pointer for me... > > Thank you, > > -- > Casey > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258527 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
PS... If you click on the link and it ads a 80: in the url, remove it and reload. Must be a CFTALK thing. - Original Message - From: "Doug Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 6:00 AM Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > Here is a link to check out > > > http://codex.wordpress.org/Wrapping_Text_Around_Images > > > - Original Message - > From: "Casey Dougall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:24 AM > Subject: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > > >> I've been looking all around and maybe it's the 1/2 cup of java that's >> slowing me down but I can't seem to find any CSS resources that show a >> person placing an image on the bottom right of a div . Text would wrap >> above >> and to the left of the image. >> >> Anyone got a pointer for me... >> >> Thank you, >> >> -- >> Casey >> >> >> > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258528 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
Sandy, you've mentioned these CSS "rules" a couple of times the past few weeks. Is there a place where all these "rules" reside in one place? Wasn't there like 72 of them or something? Ray > -Original Message- > From: Sandra Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:38 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > > Rules of floating (there are 9 of them), basically says that an object being > floated will always tend as far toward the side it is floated to (left or > right) and as far up as it can given the constraints of the rules. > > Try floating the image on the top right of a div beneath this particular div > instead. > > > Sandra Clark > == > http://www.shayna.com > Training in Cascading Style Sheets and Accessibility > > > -Original Message- > From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:13 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV > > On 10/31/06, Doug Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Here is a link to check out > > > > > > http://codex.wordpress.org/Wrapping_Text_Around_Images > > > Yeah I checked it out but, I don't see anything in there about floating > image bottom right. > > > > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258534 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
Rules of floating (there are 9 of them), basically says that an object being floated will always tend as far toward the side it is floated to (left or right) and as far up as it can given the constraints of the rules. Try floating the image on the top right of a div beneath this particular div instead. Sandra Clark == http://www.shayna.com Training in Cascading Style Sheets and Accessibility -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV On 10/31/06, Doug Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here is a link to check out > > > http://codex.wordpress.org/Wrapping_Text_Around_Images Yeah I checked it out but, I don't see anything in there about floating image bottom right. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258532 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
That'll be because you float to the left or the right - there's no facility to float up or down. If you want an image placed in the bottom right, you can set the containers style to be "background: url(imagename) no-repeat bottom right; padding-bottom: 100px;" (where 100px is the height of the image.) or "position: absolute; bottom: 0px; right: 0px" on the image itself (with only the padding on the container) Neither of those will wrap text around the image, but will prevent it from overlapping. The I can't think of any actual wrapping bottom right methods right now, but there might be a way to do it with JavaScript. >On 10/31/06, Doug Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Here is a link to check out >> >> >> http://codex.wordpress.org/Wrapping_Text_Around_Images > > >Yeah I checked it out but, I don't see anything in there about floating >image bottom right. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258531 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
OT - CSS Float Image Bottom Right corner of DIV
I've been looking all around and maybe it's the 1/2 cup of java that's slowing me down but I can't seem to find any CSS resources that show a person placing an image on the bottom right of a div . Text would wrap above and to the left of the image. Anyone got a pointer for me... Thank you, -- Casey ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:258525 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4