Re: OT Flex beta
Christophe Coenraets, the Flex evangelist, made a post this morning describing the beta process: http://www.markme.com/cc/archives/003936.cfm Hopefully this will clarify the issue somewhat. Christian On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 10:58PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex beta program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say hi. I just want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. Everyone I've talked to, including some of the top names in the community, has been rejected. I just need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this project. It'll also go far in allaying some of the fears I've been hearing from people. Thanks P.S. Please respond on the Flex list. Thanks -- Michael Dinowitz Finding technical solutions to the problems you didn't know you had yet image.tiff [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT Flex beta
hmmm I getDNS error on that link == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and PHP == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: OT Flex beta | Christophe Coenraets, the Flex evangelist, made a post this morning | describing the beta process: | | http://www.markme.com/cc/archives/003936.cfm | | Hopefully this will clarify the issue somewhat. | | Christian | | On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 10:58PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: | | If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex | beta | program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say | hi. I just | want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. Everyone | I've | talked to, including some of the top names in the community, has been | rejected. | I just need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this | project. It'll | also go far in allaying some of the fears I've been hearing from | people. | Thanks | | P.S. Please respond on the Flex list. Thanks | | -- | Michael Dinowitz | Finding technical solutions to the problems you didn't know you had yet | image.tiff | | | [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT Flex beta
Works fine here. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Doug White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: Re: OT Flex beta hmmm I getDNS error on that link == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and PHP == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: OT Flex beta | Christophe Coenraets, the Flex evangelist, made a post this morning | describing the beta process: | | http://www.markme.com/cc/archives/003936.cfm | | Hopefully this will clarify the issue somewhat. | | Christian | | On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 10:58PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: | | If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex | beta | program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say | hi. I just | want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. Everyone | I've | talked to, including some of the top names in the community, has been | rejected. | I just need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this | project. It'll | also go far in allaying some of the fears I've been hearing from | people. | Thanks | | P.S. Please respond on the Flex list. Thanks | | -- | Michael Dinowitz | Finding technical solutions to the problems you didn't know you had yet | image.tiff | | | [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT Flex beta
yeah sometimes it doesn't work, I have noticed the same ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 2:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT Flex beta Works fine here. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Doug White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: Re: OT Flex beta hmmm I getDNS error on that link == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and PHP == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: OT Flex beta | Christophe Coenraets, the Flex evangelist, made a post this morning | describing the beta process: | | http://www.markme.com/cc/archives/003936.cfm | | Hopefully this will clarify the issue somewhat. | | Christian | | On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 10:58PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: | | If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex | beta | program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say | hi. I just | want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. Everyone | I've | talked to, including some of the top names in the community, has been | rejected. | I just need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this | project. It'll | also go far in allaying some of the fears I've been hearing from | people. | Thanks | | P.S. Please respond on the Flex list. Thanks | | -- | Michael Dinowitz | Finding technical solutions to the problems you didn't know you had yet | image.tiff | | | [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT Flex beta
As I've just found out. Excuse me while I say that's totally insane and paranoid. Everyone knows there's a beta going on. Anyone can join (and be rejected). No one can say that they're on the beta even though everyone knows that its going on and MM has even leaked just about every detail of the product. Sheer madness. I never said it was a good thing, I just wanted to alert people that may sign an NDA without paying too much attention to the tiny text. MM handles betas in a drammatically different way than Allaire, sad, but true... As for MM itself leaking details of the product, I have the strong feeling it was mainly a reaction to Microsoft announcements about Longhorn, for the rest, they keep being paranoid as usual :-))) BTW Happy to hear Samuel was allowed to talk about it (the first hand report on his blog were especially interesting for me) Massimo Foti Certified Dreamweaver MX Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer http://www.massimocorner.com/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT Flex beta
Certainly can do that--Laszlo has a number of great features.They're not the same features as Royale and I'll certainly take Royale over Laszlo any day. Besides, in respect to Royale/Flash I'm also a component developer.Having the ability to write my components one time and reuse the bulk of the code in component sets for Flash, Royale, Dreamweaver, and ColdFusion is a huge plus.If I want my component to be available to Laszlo customers, I have to re-write it. Sam -- Blog:http://www.rewindlife.com Chart: http://www.blinex.com/products/charting -- -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT Flex beta Why not just avoid the suspense and download Laszlo's product? -Matt [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT Flex beta
Michael, Actually, I just looked at the list of current beta members are there are quite a few CFers there, so if you need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this project, yes, there is. The beta for now is a small group, and proportionally CF is very well represented (by both CF users and organizations that are heavy CF users). Less then 10% of the beta applications have been accepted at this point, but I understand that it will gradually be opened up to more and more people. As for the some of the fears I've been hearing from people that you seek to allay, do you care to be more specific? --- Ben -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT Flex beta If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex beta program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say hi. I just want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. Everyone I've talked to, including some of the top names in the community, has been rejected. I just need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this project. It'll also go far in allaying some of the fears I've been hearing from people. Thanks P.S. Please respond on the Flex list. Thanks -- Michael Dinowitz Finding technical solutions to the problems you didn't know you had yet _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT Flex beta
Certainly can do that--Laszlo has a number of great features. They're not the same features as Royale and I'll certainly take Royale over Laszlo any day. Royale may have features that Laszlo's product doesn't have, but Laszlo's product is available now. And I would imagine they are continuing to work on it, so their next version may compare completely different with Royale. Besides, in respect to Royale/Flash I'm also a component developer. Having the ability to write my components one time and reuse the bulk of the code in component sets for Flash, Royale, Dreamweaver, and ColdFusion is a huge plus. If I want my component to be available to Laszlo customers, I have to re-write it. Yeah, if you want to write components for Java or .NET the same thing applies. It is all a question of market opportunity. Right now there is now Royale market, but there is a Laszlo market. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT Flex beta
That makes me feel better. All I've been hearing from people till it was brought up was rejections. As for what I'm hearing from people, here are a few: 1. Flex will be a big cost, enterprise only thing out of the reach of the standard developer (a la Breeze) 2. The Flex beta support team is a small one 3. That X people were rejected and it doesn't seem like they're accepting people who would really help make it a real programming product. There are other concerns that I've heard from fewer people that are sure to come out but those are some of the top. Michael, Actually, I just looked at the list of current beta members are there are quite a few CFers there, so if you need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this project, yes, there is. The beta for now is a small group, and proportionally CF is very well represented (by both CF users and organizations that are heavy CF users). Less then 10% of the beta applications have been accepted at this point, but I understand that it will gradually be opened up to more and more people. As for the some of the fears I've been hearing from people that you seek to allay, do you care to be more specific? --- Ben -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT Flex beta If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex beta program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say hi. I just want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. Everyone I've talked to, including some of the top names in the community, has been rejected. I just need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this project. It'll also go far in allaying some of the fears I've been hearing from people. Thanks P.S. Please respond on the Flex list. Thanks -- Michael Dinowitz Finding technical solutions to the problems you didn't know you had yet _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT Flex beta
No Royale market yet but there is a Flash market, and if I can sell my product to Flash people now and then Royale people later, then that's great. Certainly porting to Java and .NET would require complete re-write but they also have their own runtime engines.Laszlo uses the same runtime as Royale. Sam -- Blog:http://www.rewindlife.com Chart: http://www.blinex.com/products/charting -- Besides, in respect to Royale/Flash I'm also a component developer.Having the ability to write my components one time and reuse the bulk of the code in component sets for Flash, Royale, Dreamweaver, and ColdFusion is a huge plus.If I want my component to be available to Laszlo customers, I have to re-write it. Yeah, if you want to write components for Java or .NET the same thing applies. It is all a question of market opportunity. Right now there is now Royale market, but there is a Laszlo market. Matt Liotta [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT Flex beta
I'm trying to find out what criteria was used to select beta participants.When I have more information, I will post it here. Christian On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 10:58PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex beta program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say hi. I just want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. Everyone I've talked to, including some of the top names in the community, has been rejected. I just need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this project. It'll also go far in allaying some of the fears I've been hearing from people. Thanks P.S. Please respond on the Flex list. Thanks -- Michael Dinowitz Finding technical solutions to the problems you didn't know you had yet image.tiff [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT Flex beta
Does anyone know if all the notifications have been made?I never received an acceptance or a rejection. _ From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT Flex beta I'm trying to find out what criteria was used to select beta participants.When I have more information, I will post it here. Christian On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 10:58PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex beta program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say hi. I just want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. Everyone I've talked to, including some of the top names in the community, has been rejected. I just need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this project. It'll also go far in allaying some of the fears I've been hearing from people. Thanks P.S. Please respond on the Flex list. Thanks -- Michael Dinowitz Finding technical solutions to the problems you didn't know you had yet image.tiff _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT Flex beta
1. Flex will be a big cost, enterprise only thing out of the reach of the standard developer (a la Breeze) I've heard that too, but I am not worried yet - price really has not been finalized. The Enterprise market is definitely a target for Flex, and thus the perceptions and concerns. At MAX I heard Libby tell someone who voiced price concerns we have not forgotten where we came from, which to me means that it will not be priced like IBM WebSphere and BEA WebLogic. But, again, it has to be finalized and announced. 2. The Flex beta support team is a small one It's smallish for now, starting small and gradually growing (much like we've done with CF beta programs in the past). 3. That X people were rejected and it doesn't seem like they're accepting people who would really help make it a real programming product. I don't know the selection criteria, but I have seen the list (or part of it), and lots of the names that you'd expect are indeed on it, they just can't tell you so. :-) I'll post more when I have more to say. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT Flex beta That makes me feel better. All I've been hearing from people till it was brought up was rejections. As for what I'm hearing from people, here are a few: 1. Flex will be a big cost, enterprise only thing out of the reach of the standard developer (a la Breeze) 2. The Flex beta support team is a small one 3. That X people were rejected and it doesn't seem like they're accepting people who would really help make it a real programming product. There are other concerns that I've heard from fewer people that are sure to come out but those are some of the top. Michael, Actually, I just looked at the list of current beta members are there are quite a few CFers there, so if you need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this project, yes, there is. The beta for now is a small group, and proportionally CF is very well represented (by both CF users and organizations that are heavy CF users). Less then 10% of the beta applications have been accepted at this point, but I understand that it will gradually be opened up to more and more people. As for the some of the fears I've been hearing from people that you seek to allay, do you care to be more specific? --- Ben -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT Flex beta If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex beta program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say hi. I just want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. Everyone I've talked to, including some of the top names in the community, has been rejected. I just need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this project. It'll also go far in allaying some of the fears I've been hearing from people. Thanks P.S. Please respond on the Flex list. Thanks -- Michael Dinowitz Finding technical solutions to the problems you didn't know you had yet _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT Flex beta
My only issue is that MAX was heavily focused on Flex. MM got a good vibe going, but everyday that passes that I can't get my hands on it, I'm less and less motivated to embrace it. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 1:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT Flex beta 1. Flex will be a big cost, enterprise only thing out of the reach of the standard developer (a la Breeze) I've heard that too, but I am not worried yet - price really has not been finalized. The Enterprise market is definitely a target for Flex, and thus the perceptions and concerns. At MAX I heard Libby tell someone who voiced price concerns we have not forgotten where we came from, which to me means that it will not be priced like IBM WebSphere and BEA WebLogic. But, again, it has to be finalized and announced. 2. The Flex beta support team is a small one It's smallish for now, starting small and gradually growing (much like we've done with CF beta programs in the past). 3. That X people were rejected and it doesn't seem like they're accepting people who would really help make it a real programming product. I don't know the selection criteria, but I have seen the list (or part of it), and lots of the names that you'd expect are indeed on it, they just can't tell you so. :-) I'll post more when I have more to say. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT Flex beta That makes me feel better. All I've been hearing from people till it was brought up was rejections. As for what I'm hearing from people, here are a few: 1. Flex will be a big cost, enterprise only thing out of the reach of the standard developer (a la Breeze) 2. The Flex beta support team is a small one 3. That X people were rejected and it doesn't seem like they're accepting people who would really help make it a real programming product. There are other concerns that I've heard from fewer people that are sure to come out but those are some of the top. Michael, Actually, I just looked at the list of current beta members are there are quite a few CFers there, so if you need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this project, yes, there is. The beta for now is a small group, and proportionally CF is very well represented (by both CF users and organizations that are heavy CF users). Less then 10% of the beta applications have been accepted at this point, but I understand that it will gradually be opened up to more and more people. As for the some of the fears I've been hearing from people that you seek to allay, do you care to be more specific? --- Ben -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT Flex beta If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex beta program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say hi. I just want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. Everyone I've talked to, including some of the top names in the community, has been rejected. I just need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this project. It'll also go far in allaying some of the fears I've been hearing from people. Thanks P.S. Please respond on the Flex list. Thanks -- Michael Dinowitz Finding technical solutions to the problems you didn't know you had yet _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
OT Flex beta
If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex beta program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say hi. I just want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. Everyone I've talked to, including some of the top names in the community, has been rejected. I just need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this project. It'll also go far in allaying some of the fears I've been hearing from people. Thanks P.S. Please respond on the Flex list. Thanks -- Michael Dinowitz Finding technical solutions to the problems you didn't know you had yet [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT Flex beta
I'm in, but I don't think you can call me a CF programming in respect to Flex.I'm developing Flash MX 2004 charting components which will be compatible with Flex (a reorganization of our current component set). I'm on the HoF Flex list too, but I think that list is waaayyy too premature.We can all get together and talk about something we don't know much about?Will be great when Flex is out though.In any case, I'd be glad to continue this conversation over there Sam --- Blog: http://www.rewindlife.com Charts: http://www.blinex.com/products/charting --- -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT Flex beta If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex beta program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say hi. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT Flex beta
If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex beta program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say hi. I just want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. As far as I know, the usual MM's NDA is very strict and even mentioning you are on the beta before the beta ends is forbidden... Massimo Foti Certified Dreamweaver MX Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer http://www.massimocorner.com/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT Flex beta
As I've just found out. Excuse me while I say that's totally insane and paranoid. Everyone knows there's a beta going on. Anyone can join (and be rejected). No one can say that they're on the beta even though everyone knows that its going on and MM has even leaked just about every detail of the product. Sheer madness. If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex beta program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say hi. I just want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. As far as I know, the usual MM's NDA is very strict and even mentioning you are on the beta before the beta ends is forbidden... Massimo Foti Certified Dreamweaver MX Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer http://www.massimocorner.com/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT Flex beta
Normally true.A little different this time.:-) Sam --- Blog: http://www.rewindlife.com Charts: http://www.blinex.com/products/charting --- -Original Message- From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT Flex beta If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex beta program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say hi. I just want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. As far as I know, the usual MM's NDA is very strict and even mentioning you are on the beta before the beta ends is forbidden... Massimo Foti [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT Flex beta
Why not just avoid the suspense and download Laszlo's product? -Matt On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 11:33 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: As I've just found out. Excuse me while I say that's totally insane and paranoid. Everyone knows there's a beta going on. Anyone can join (and be rejected). No one can say that they're on the beta even though everyone knows that its going on and MM has even leaked just about every detail of the product. Sheer madness. If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex beta program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say hi. I just want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. As far as I know, the usual MM's NDA is very strict and even mentioning you are on the beta before the beta ends is forbidden... Massimo Foti Certified Dreamweaver MX Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer http://www.massimocorner.com/ image.tiff [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
