Re: Page loading time
That all sounds very reasonable to me. I'd be willing to bet that your JS is the culprit, even if you don't see any obvious cause. FF deals with JS very effectively, in my experience, so I doubt it's that. Just start commenting out chunks of the JS file until you get the noticeable speed-up, and then you can maybe figure out what needs to change to make it faster all around. cheers, barneyb On 1/27/06, Ben Nadel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Barney, > > I am trying to use cfc caching properly, but this is my first real > CFC-intensive project. I cache most anything that does not need to be > created with each page call. But, for each page call, I do need to create > some things: > > 1. Environment CFC (contains info about the web and server - purely public > variables ex. Environment.Web.Root, Environment.Server.Directory). Very > light weight, but does do some calculations. > 2. RequestFacade CFC > 3. Page CFC (display component which extends either oneColumnPage or > TwoColumnPage which then extends AbstractPage - the multiple inheritence may > cause some overhead???) > > But, then again, it might just be browser rendering also. If I take out my > javascript file link, the page loads noticeably faster. I am not sure what > to do about that. My JS file isn't even very large, nor does it do any > processing during page load. Maybe firefox is just slow to parse JS files. > > I will keep trying to get the page load smaller. > > ... > Ben Nadel -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230598 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Page loading time
Barney, I am trying to use cfc caching properly, but this is my first real CFC-intensive project. I cache most anything that does not need to be created with each page call. But, for each page call, I do need to create some things: 1. Environment CFC (contains info about the web and server - purely public variables ex. Environment.Web.Root, Environment.Server.Directory). Very light weight, but does do some calculations. 2. RequestFacade CFC 3. Page CFC (display component which extends either oneColumnPage or TwoColumnPage which then extends AbstractPage - the multiple inheritence may cause some overhead???) But, then again, it might just be browser rendering also. If I take out my javascript file link, the page loads noticeably faster. I am not sure what to do about that. My JS file isn't even very large, nor does it do any processing during page load. Maybe firefox is just slow to parse JS files. I will keep trying to get the page load smaller. ... Ben Nadel Web Developer Nylon Technology 350 7th Ave. Suite 1005 New York, NY 10001 212.691.1134 x 14 212.691.3477 fax www.nylontechnology.com Sanders: Lightspeed too slow? Helmet: Yes we'll have to go right to ludacris speed. -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Page loading time You've already elimintated all the stuff in between CF and your browser as potential causes, I assume? I highly doubt CFCs are to blame for your problem, though misuse of them (like anything else) could be it. I believe someone already mentioned disabling debugging, or at least the execution times, but if not, make sure you do that. Also make sure you're cachign your instances appropriately, as instantiation can be rather expensive in some cases. cheers. barneyb ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230584 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Page loading time
You've already elimintated all the stuff in between CF and your browser as potential causes, I assume? I highly doubt CFCs are to blame for your problem, though misuse of them (like anything else) could be it. I believe someone already mentioned disabling debugging, or at least the execution times, but if not, make sure you do that. Also make sure you're cachign your instances appropriately, as instantiation can be rather expensive in some cases. cheers. barneyb On 1/26/06, Ben Nadel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ferg, > > I know what you mean. My problem is that I do some page processing that, > even on pages where it just text output (not even dynamic) there is still > some page lag... It really irritates me to have the lag, but I don't even > know how to cut down on the time. > > Just wanted to see what other people were experienceing when using more CFCs > and such. > > ... > Ben Nadel -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230541 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Page loading time
Ferg, I know what you mean. My problem is that I do some page processing that, even on pages where it just text output (not even dynamic) there is still some page lag... It really irritates me to have the lag, but I don't even know how to cut down on the time. Just wanted to see what other people were experienceing when using more CFCs and such. ... Ben Nadel Web Developer Nylon Technology 350 7th Ave. Suite 1005 New York, NY 10001 212.691.1134 x 14 212.691.3477 fax www.nylontechnology.com Sanders: Lightspeed too slow? Helmet: Yes we'll have to go right to ludacris speed. -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Page loading time That depends on SO MANY things! I mean, the answer to that question can be different depending on who uses your site and for what purposes. It is affected by what type of page it is and how often it will be accessed. I've got a page in our gas pipeline system that regularly takes 15 seconds to load. Now, on almost every site that would be considered completely unacceptable. However, the end user in this case, expects this to be the case and is completely ok with it. To them, the most important thing is that they get 100% of this data that they'll never look at on the page at one time and that it's been checked against all of the formulae to ensure it's restricted as per the law. Of course, on some of my other pages, I need load times to be almost instantaneous. During gas nominations (order entry, basically) I need there to be absolutely no perceptible wait-time for the pages to load, as this page is used tens of times each day by everyone on the system... So, it's really difficult to answer your question without knowing quite a lot about your situation. --Ferg Ben Nadel wrote: > So, as I move more into the OOP world, wich heavier use of CFC, I am > noticing that my pages are taking longer to load on the server. I have > been pretty good about trying to minimize CFC creatoin if I can cache > it, and am learning about method call optimization... > > My question is, what is a reasonable load time for your web pages in > milliseconds? > > ... > Ben Nadel > Web Developer > Nylon Technology > 350 7th Ave. > Suite 1005 > New York, NY 10001 > 212.691.1134 x 14 > 212.691.3477 fax > www.nylontechnology.com > > Sanders: Lightspeed too slow? > Helmet: Yes we'll have to go right to ludacris speed. > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230540 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Page loading time
That depends on SO MANY things! I mean, the answer to that question can be different depending on who uses your site and for what purposes. It is affected by what type of page it is and how often it will be accessed. I've got a page in our gas pipeline system that regularly takes 15 seconds to load. Now, on almost every site that would be considered completely unacceptable. However, the end user in this case, expects this to be the case and is completely ok with it. To them, the most important thing is that they get 100% of this data that they'll never look at on the page at one time and that it's been checked against all of the formulae to ensure it's restricted as per the law. Of course, on some of my other pages, I need load times to be almost instantaneous. During gas nominations (order entry, basically) I need there to be absolutely no perceptible wait-time for the pages to load, as this page is used tens of times each day by everyone on the system... So, it's really difficult to answer your question without knowing quite a lot about your situation. --Ferg Ben Nadel wrote: > So, as I move more into the OOP world, wich heavier use of CFC, I am > noticing that my pages are taking longer to load on the server. I have been > pretty good about trying to minimize CFC creatoin if I can cache it, and am > learning about method call optimization... > > My question is, what is a reasonable load time for your web pages in > milliseconds? > > ... > Ben Nadel > Web Developer > Nylon Technology > 350 7th Ave. > Suite 1005 > New York, NY 10001 > 212.691.1134 x 14 > 212.691.3477 fax > www.nylontechnology.com > > Sanders: Lightspeed too slow? > Helmet: Yes we'll have to go right to ludacris speed. > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230525 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Page loading time
So, as I move more into the OOP world, wich heavier use of CFC, I am noticing that my pages are taking longer to load on the server. I have been pretty good about trying to minimize CFC creatoin if I can cache it, and am learning about method call optimization... My question is, what is a reasonable load time for your web pages in milliseconds? ... Ben Nadel Web Developer Nylon Technology 350 7th Ave. Suite 1005 New York, NY 10001 212.691.1134 x 14 212.691.3477 fax www.nylontechnology.com Sanders: Lightspeed too slow? Helmet: Yes we'll have to go right to ludacris speed. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230508 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
