RE: Asp calling ColdFusion
CF can use the getPageContext.include() to cause an asp page to be processed inside the CF context. I'm pretty certain that this is incorrect. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ As far as i know, that will only work to execute a jsp or servlet - ie some (other) java resource running in the same web container. If someone ever writes a java based ASP engine... /t ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237073 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Asp calling ColdFusion
Try an http request with no parameters? !//-- andy matthews web developer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Asp calling ColdFusion Is there any simple way to make Asp (not .net) call a CF page for processing? CF can use the getPageContext.include() to cause an asp page to be processed inside the CF context. Is there something on the Asp side that allows a CF page to be processed inside the Asp context? I want to have Asp call a CF page to do a monthly DB cleanup and I can't move from Asp to CF for this (yet. its for a client) Thanks ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237083 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Asp calling ColdFusion
One possibility would be to use an iframe and some JS to pull in the various parameters and pass those along to the ASP page. hth, larry -- Larry C. Lyons Web Analyst Biodefense Emerging Infections Research Resources Repository American Type Culture Collection email: llyons(at)atcc(dot)org tel: 703.365.2700.2678 -- -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Asp calling ColdFusion Is there any simple way to make Asp (not .net) call a CF page for processing? CF can use the getPageContext.include() to cause an asp page to be processed inside the CF context. Is there something on the Asp side that allows a CF page to be processed inside the Asp context? I want to have Asp call a CF page to do a monthly DB cleanup and I can't move from Asp to CF for this (yet. its for a client) Thanks ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237092 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Asp calling ColdFusion
If you mean the ASP equiv of CFHTTP, there is/was a product called ASPTear. M!ke -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Asp calling ColdFusion Is there any simple way to make Asp (not .net) call a CF page for processing? CF can use the getPageContext.include() to cause an asp page to be processed inside the CF context. Is there something on the Asp side that allows a CF page to be processed inside the Asp context? I want to have Asp call a CF page to do a monthly DB cleanup and I can't move from Asp to CF for this (yet. its for a client) Thanks ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237065 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Asp calling ColdFusion
At least a couple of options: 1. Have the asp page redirect to the cfm page % response.redirect mydbprocessor.cfm % 2. Use an external javascript include method to call the cfm page - you can call any type of file using this method, and it doesn't have to return any javascript to call it :) script language=javascript src=mydbprocessor.cfm /script Either one of these pieces of code would be simply be added to your asp page. Note that you could add url parameters to the mydbprocessor.cfm page to tell the cfm page additional information: eg: mydbprocessor.cfm?a=1b=2 Cheers, M - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz To: CF-Talk Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: OT: Asp calling ColdFusion Is there any simple way to make Asp (not .net) call a CF page for processing? CF can use the getPageContext.include() to cause an asp page to be processed inside the CF context. Is there something on the Asp side that allows a CF page to be processed inside the Asp context? I want to have Asp call a CF page to do a monthly DB cleanup and I can't move from Asp to CF for this (yet. its for a client) Thanks ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237066 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Asp calling ColdFusion
I'm thinking more along the lines of the ASP equiv of getPageContext.include(). If you mean the ASP equiv of CFHTTP, there is/was a product called ASPTear. M!ke -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Asp calling ColdFusion Is there any simple way to make Asp (not .net) call a CF page for processing? CF can use the getPageContext.include() to cause an asp page to be processed inside the CF context. Is there something on the Asp side that allows a CF page to be processed inside the Asp context? I want to have Asp call a CF page to do a monthly DB cleanup and I can't move from Asp to CF for this (yet. its for a client) Thanks ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237070 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Asp calling ColdFusion
CF can use the getPageContext.include() to cause an asp page to be processed inside the CF context. I'm pretty certain that this is incorrect. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:237072 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ASP to ColdFusion
Hi Scott, Hope it's not too late. 3000 emails to go ! You can try out codecharge to convert your asp code to CF. Pretty cool. http://www.codecharge.com/ /Ant/ -Original Message- From: Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 1:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP to ColdFusion I'm originally an ASP developer now working with ColdFusion...Does anyone know of any resources that would help in the conversion? (ASP-CF translations, tutorials, etc.) Thanks, Scott ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ASP to ColdFusion
Woo hoo... Another convert :-) A quick search on google gets some good introductury tutorials... http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/programming/coldfusion/tutorials/tutoria l2.html http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/tutorial_index.html http://kongtechnology.com/index.asp?im=cf1 -Original Message- From: Scott Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP to ColdFusion I'm originally an ASP developer now working with ColdFusion...Does anyone know of any resources that would help in the conversion? (ASP-CF translations, tutorials, etc.) Thanks, Scott ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ASP and ColdFusion
Hi Stu, What I would like to do, is to use ColdFusion to pull the data from the website and put it into a database. How are you going to pull the data from the website? Are you going to execute ASP pages to give a result and then use the CF to act on the results of the ASP pages to put the data into a DB? If you are then try using WDDX xml packets. I believe an activex for creating WDDX packets exists and easily available. You can easily integrate this with your ASP to produce the resultant xml datapacket. Then use CFHTTP to pull the xml file to the CF pages (you don't need CFHTTP if the CF web server is also executing your ASP) and just import the WDDX data and Bob's your father's brother. Regards, Anthony Geoghegan. Lead Developer, What's On Where (WOW!) http://www.wow.ie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ASP and ColdFusion
Can this all flow with security/ session management? Would I have to manage within ASP? or could I use CF for security? If you used a cookie for security (rather than ASP/CF Session variables), presumably it would work in both the ASP pages and the CF pages? Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ASP or Coldfusion?
That machine is still running 4.0. -Rich - Original Message - From: "Geoffrey V. Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:53 PM Subject: RE: ASP or Coldfusion? Here's a question- are you running 4.0 or 4.5.x? -Original Message- From: Richard Fantini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 12:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ASP or Coldfusion? Then you truly must be doing something wrong... Our main site does over 1.2 million hits a week with extremely heavy database and CF processing. The CF machine is a Dual PII 400, 512mb RAM and a RAID array... The database hardware is identical, and is running SQL7. That's it, no clustering or anything like that. We rarely ever have a problem with CF. The code has been optimized on the heavily hit pages but there is still a decent amount of older quick and dirty stuff. I don't have a clue as to how you were crashing the server with only 100,000 hits... but I'm willing to bet it was your code. -Rich -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: ASP or Coldfusion?
on 9/22/00 11:08 AM, Steve Pierce at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can write junk code in ASP just as well as you can in CF. The programmer is the number one factor in the success and performance of the site. Not the tools. I am a new programmer with ColdFusion. What is junk code? Can you give an example? I want to see if I am writing junk. Want to nip bad habits in the bud. Sebastian -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
Here's a question- are you running 4.0 or 4.5.x? -Original Message- From: Richard Fantini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 12:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ASP or Coldfusion? Then you truly must be doing something wrong... Our main site does over 1.2 million hits a week with extremely heavy database and CF processing. The CF machine is a Dual PII 400, 512mb RAM and a RAID array... The database hardware is identical, and is running SQL7. That's it, no clustering or anything like that. We rarely ever have a problem with CF. The code has been optimized on the heavily hit pages but there is still a decent amount of older quick and dirty stuff. I don't have a clue as to how you were crashing the server with only 100,000 hits... but I'm willing to bet it was your code. -Rich - Original Message - From: "Geoffrey V. Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: RE: ASP or Coldfusion? Hi, I'll offer my opinion, as I'm facing the same thing. I have a site that is going to be massive. Cold Fusion simply could not hold up to the load, and crashed repeatedly. The site is about 99% data driven, so there is a lot of data access going on. I am now developing this site in ASP, and it seems far more stable. We are generally getting 100k+ hits a week on this site. After seeing many large projects fail with cold fusion, I'd recommend trying other options before going the CF route on a large project. Note, I am a die hard CF developer, I feel that CF is good for smaller sites, less hits, and allows for a faster development time than ASP... but it just doesn't hold up on larger projects. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: ASP or Coldfusion?
I am a new programmer with ColdFusion. What is junk code? Can you give an example? Most of the CF stuff I wrote in 95 :-) I want to see if I am writing junk. Want to nip bad habits in the bud. It's hard to show you bad code but have a look here for tips on Optimization etc http://www.forta.com/cf/resources/tipstricks_files/frame.htm ~JustinMacCarthy -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion - There is no Question
SELECT * - Steve -Original Message- From: sebastian palmigiani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 7:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ASP or Coldfusion - There is no Question on 9/22/00 11:08 AM, Steve Pierce at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can write junk code in ASP just as well as you can in CF. The programmer is the number one factor in the success and performance of the site. Not the tools. I am a new programmer with ColdFusion. What is junk code? Can you give an example? I want to see if I am writing junk. Want to nip bad habits in the bud. Sebastian -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: ASP or Coldfusion - There is no Question
I hope tongue was firmly in cheek when you wrote this, as there are some cases when you have to SELECT *, or at least it makes the most sense to. If not, elaborate, I'd love to hear this one -Bill /intraget - Original Message - From: Steve Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 2:33 PM Subject: RE: ASP or Coldfusion - There is no Question SELECT * - Steve -Original Message- From: sebastian palmigiani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 7:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ASP or Coldfusion - There is no Question on 9/22/00 11:08 AM, Steve Pierce at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can write junk code in ASP just as well as you can in CF. The programmer is the number one factor in the success and performance of the site. Not the tools. I am a new programmer with ColdFusion. What is junk code? Can you give an example? I want to see if I am writing junk. Want to nip bad habits in the bud. Sebastian -- -- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Junk Code was Re: ASP or Coldfusion - There is no Question
A few suggestions: 1) If your code cannot be followed by a third party without completely dissecting it, it is junk code - (COMMENT!) 2) Go back a few steps and think about what you are writing. Good algorithms lead to good code. Poorly planned algorithms, schemas, and database design will lead to 'junk code'. 3) Watch the debug timings of your pages, if there are templates that are taking a couple hundred milliseconds, yet not accomplishing much, then start to investigate this. 4) Not locking shared access variables can lead to jc (getting tired of typing it out) 5) Lack of error handling can lead to jc 6) Over selective SQL can lead to jc (try to limit what you are SELECTing) 7) Doing the same thing over and over. Try to pick a coding methodology, or at least coding conventions and stick to them, they'll make your stuff infinitely better. You might want to read through some data structure and algorithm books. I had a decent one in school, and even though I HATED the class, it really did pay off. Makes you evaluate how you handle things. Good luck. -Bill /intraget - Original Message - From: sebastian palmigiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 7:24 AM Subject: Re: ASP or Coldfusion - There is no Question on 9/22/00 11:08 AM, Steve Pierce at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can write junk code in ASP just as well as you can in CF. The programmer is the number one factor in the success and performance of the site. Not the tools. I am a new programmer with ColdFusion. What is junk code? Can you give an example? I want to see if I am writing junk. Want to nip bad habits in the bud. Sebastian -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Have a look here for a feature comparison: http://www.swynk.com/friends/murphy/ironic_isnt_it.asp Peter Tilbrook Internet Applications Developer Aspect Computing Pty. Ltd. 19-25 Moore Street Turner, ACT, 2612 AUSTRALIA http://www.aspect.com.au Phone: (02) 6247 7677 Fax: (02) 6249 1620 Mobile: 0428 765 020 ICQ: 666275 ACT ColdFusion Users Group - http://203.37.24.198 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBOc4YLxTGYi2pHbgnEQLfcACdHK4lIgWvv0XgzucYQ8KPUq6O/zoAniLP Jrn4DCIBUmYTOLfO+jQzN38I =GVmw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
This comparison is from 1998 to a version of ASP, version 2.0, that is no longer used or supported by Microsoft. This comparison chart is not very useful. - Steve Steve Pierce, HDL "Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee" (734) 482-9682 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://HDL.com -Original Message- From: Peter Tilbrook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 8:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ASP or Coldfusion? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Have a look here for a feature comparison: http://www.swynk.com/friends/murphy/ironic_isnt_it.asp Peter Tilbrook Internet Applications Developer Aspect Computing Pty. Ltd. 19-25 Moore Street Turner, ACT, 2612 AUSTRALIA http://www.aspect.com.au Phone: (02) 6247 7677 Fax: (02) 6249 1620 Mobile: 0428 765 020 ICQ: 666275 ACT ColdFusion Users Group - http://203.37.24.198 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBOc4YLxTGYi2pHbgnEQLfcACdHK4lIgWvv0XgzucYQ8KPUq6O/zoAniLP Jrn4DCIBUmYTOLfO+jQzN38I =GVmw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: ASP or Coldfusion?
ROFL. Your subtle humor made my day. Thanks! best, paul PS Both ASP ColdFusion can do the job (if both are in the right hands). I don't think scaleability is a good basis to decide between ASP or CF. Look at your other factors to decide on which one is for you. PPS "A few thousand" ! Thanks again for the humor. At 03:01 PM 9/22/00 +0100, you wrote: ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
I have a similar situation except it takes 20+ minutes (and counting) to load the database into structures. But that doesn't have much to do with ASP vs CF. It's just the consequences of a design decision to spend time starting up so you can save time when CF is running. (Reminds me of Porche's philosophy years ago. You couldn't fault Porches for not accelerating very fast from a standstill, because the Porche design philosophy was not to waste resources on something you used only once in a race. Reliability was more important to them.) best, paul At 04:03 PM 9/22/00 +0100, you wrote: I think the issue could be the 99% data driven. Not that I know the design or anything. Ben Forta at the UKCFUG meeting specifically highlighted an issue with a databases. He knew of one site where the application.cfm would take 13 minutes to run first timeafter that, milliseconds. It was literally cahing the whole catalogue for the site into structures to provide massive performance gains -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: ASP or Coldfusion - There is no Question
on 9/22/00 11:08 AM, Steve Pierce at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can write junk code in ASP just as well as you can in CF. The programmer is the number one factor in the success and performance of the site. Not the tools. I am a new programmer with ColdFusion. What is junk code? Can you give an example? I want to see if I am writing junk. Want to nip bad habits in the bud. Sebastian -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: ASP or Coldfusion?
Go to allaires site and read about stlouisrams.com. I think they take a few more than a couple thousand hits a week and they speak volumes about Cold Fusion and it's scaleability.There are alot of sites just like that one that use cold fusion as well Check out bmwusa.com I am sure they take a few more than a couple thousand hits a week too. - Original Message - From: "Dean Alexandrou" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:01 AM Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
Oh no!!!...don't start this thread up again!tht last one was never ending! In short: Don't neccessarily dismiss CF just because you are developing a major site - I am developing a site in CF with 4 clustered servers and 3 Million registered users - copes fine. It takes much longer to develop a site with ASP than CF and you cannnot port your site from NT to UNIX whereas you can with CF if neccessary You don't have to bear the cost of CF Server if developing with ASP (about £1000). In conclusion they are both good tools - I came from an ASP background but my preference lies slightly towards CF for most tasks - it really is a superb tool. -- Andrew Ewings Project Manager Thoughtbubble Ltd -- -Original Message- From: Dean Alexandrou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 September 2000 15:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebarRstsbodyRsts/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Quite honestly, for a few thousand hits a week, you could code it in QBasic and still have speed to spare I've had good bad luck scaling applications with both CF and ASP. Alot seems to depend on how the server software was put together (IE was versions of various things how they were installed). The rest depends on how the code is written. If you write good robust code, it really doesn't matter whether you use ASP or ColdFusion. If you know one or the other, use it. Another deciding factor is cost -- if you don't already own CF Server, then ASP will be your cheapest route. I've got a million hit a month site running fine on ColdFusion (4.0.1, NT4 SP6, dual P2-400, 384MB, SQL Server 7), and I've got a couple thousand hit a month site running like crap on ColdFusion. The million hit site was coded personally by me, and I know for certain that ALL locking and other stability issues were handled correctly. The other site was coded by hired trained-monkies, and it needs to be rebooted once a day... I've got similar success failure stories on ASP. Basically, the quality of the coding is more important than whether it's ASP or CF. Now on the other hand, CF 4.5.1 KILLED both of the aforementioned CF sites, so the CF version might have something to do with things Version 4.0.1 seems good for us. 4.5 4.5.1 completely choked. I haven't had the guts to try 4.5.1 SP1 yet Hope that was helpful. Best regards, Zac Bedell -Original Message- From: Dean Alexandrou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=list s/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBOctoLAraVoMWBwRBEQJNAQCg+vWhFmb5WvIlYLhyUfcEJ9unjwYAoIX3 Jvwa5uUVLu24z5fLbghp27xd =AcJy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: ASP or Coldfusion?
ColdFusion is as robust as ASP. ~Justin - Original Message - From: "Dean Alexandrou" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 3:01 PM Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It takes much longer to develop a site with ASP than CF That depends on the site... I'm a procedural programmer of many years, so ASP comes faster to me than CF does. I can still code anything in either language, but I'm more comfortable with ASP's approch than w/ CF's. Speed is really a matter of personal skill preference. I don't think you can label one or the other as faster to develop in. It depends on the coder... and you cannnot port your site from NT to UNIX whereas you can with CF if neccessary Sure you can! Try ChilisoftASP. It runs on AIX, HP-UX, Linux, OS/390, and Solaris. And it's cheaper than CF Server... (www.chilisoft.com) In conclusion they are both good tools - I came from an ASP background but my preference lies slightly towards CF for most tasks - it really is a superb tool. Amen to that! Use what works best for you... Best regards, Zac Bedell -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBOctq8AraVoMWBwRBEQLgUwCgyVF2I3/fDGM9aP3Qf7KM3nryBeUAoOkd VEPWw2MAttTrUm9G2vuip+0b =/Sdg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
There is no correct answer. Your choice should be based on current skill sets. If you have in-house Visual Studio (VB, C++) developers and want to transpose their skills and wish to only deploy to a MS server platform, you should seriously consider ASP. (The learning curve for ASP is quite steep.) If you are not coming from a MS background, you should consider CF. The learning curve is quite shallow and you can easily be writing 'simple' CF templates in days. I would also consider CF if you are looking for multi-platform web server solution (although NT is still probably the best route here.) As to ASP being more robust. This is down to your coding techniques/server set-up more than anything else. One thing that has been said is that CF can provide a faster delivery, but faster is not always better. -- From: JustinMacCarthy[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 September 2000 15:10 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ASP or Coldfusion? ColdFusion is as robust as ASP. ~Justin - Original Message - From: "Dean Alexandrou" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 3:01 PM Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. ** This email and any attachments are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. They may contain material protected by legal professional or other privilege. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute or retain this email or its attachments. Although this email and its attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the company for any loss or damage arising from receipt or use thereof. ** -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
Hi, I'll offer my opinion, as I'm facing the same thing. I have a site that is going to be massive. Cold Fusion simply could not hold up to the load, and crashed repeatedly. The site is about 99% data driven, so there is a lot of data access going on. I am now developing this site in ASP, and it seems far more stable. We are generally getting 100k+ hits a week on this site. After seeing many large projects fail with cold fusion, I'd recommend trying other options before going the CF route on a large project. Note, I am a die hard CF developer, I feel that CF is good for smaller sites, less hits, and allows for a faster development time than ASP... but it just doesn't hold up on larger projects. -Original Message- From: Dean Alexandrou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
Do we have to do this every week? Stew -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
I'm curious on this one. What set-up did you have? Where did the issues arise? Did you cluster? CF Server and DB on same machine? Caching strategies? DB Stored Procedures? What server settings? No criticism, just genuinely interested as Allaire has done some analysis which indicates a dual pIII 1/2 Gig server should be able to deal with 500-600 responses every 8 seconds and that clustering servers provides a linear growth. -- From: Geoffrey V. Brown[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 September 2000 15:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ASP or Coldfusion? Hi, I'll offer my opinion, as I'm facing the same thing. I have a site that is going to be massive. Cold Fusion simply could not hold up to the load, and crashed repeatedly. The site is about 99% data driven, so there is a lot of data access going on. I am now developing this site in ASP, and it seems far more stable. We are generally getting 100k+ hits a week on this site. After seeing many large projects fail with cold fusion, I'd recommend trying other options before going the CF route on a large project. Note, I am a die hard CF developer, I feel that CF is good for smaller sites, less hits, and allows for a faster development time than ASP... but it just doesn't hold up on larger projects. -Original Message- From: Dean Alexandrou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. ** This email and any attachments are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. They may contain material protected by legal professional or other privilege. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute or retain this email or its attachments. Although this email and its attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the company for any loss or damage arising from receipt or use thereof. ** -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
I'll second this...I'm curious too. As I have developed a site using CF + SQL 7 over 4 clustered servers (2 x DB + 2 x web) and it works a treat. -- Andrew Ewings Project Manager Thoughtbubble Ltd -- -Original Message- From: Reynolds, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 September 2000 15:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ASP or Coldfusion? I'm curious on this one. What set-up did you have? Where did the issues arise? Did you cluster? CF Server and DB on same machine? Caching strategies? DB Stored Procedures? What server settings? No criticism, just genuinely interested as Allaire has done some analysis which indicates a dual pIII 1/2 Gig server should be able to deal with 500-600 responses every 8 seconds and that clustering servers provides a linear growth. -- From: Geoffrey V. Brown[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 September 2000 15:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ASP or Coldfusion? Hi, I'll offer my opinion, as I'm facing the same thing. I have a site that is going to be massive. Cold Fusion simply could not hold up to the load, and crashed repeatedly. The site is about 99% data driven, so there is a lot of data access going on. I am now developing this site in ASP, and it seems far more stable. We are generally getting 100k+ hits a week on this site. After seeing many large projects fail with cold fusion, I'd recommend trying other options before going the CF route on a large project. Note, I am a die hard CF developer, I feel that CF is good for smaller sites, less hits, and allows for a faster development time than ASP... but it just doesn't hold up on larger projects. -Original Message- From: Dean Alexandrou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. ** This email and any attachments are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. They may contain material protected by legal professional or other privilege. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute or retain this email or its attachments. Although this email and its attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the company for any loss or damage arising from receipt or use thereof. ** -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: ASP or Coldfusion?
I have to disagree there are alot of sites that are very large and handle more than 100K plus hits a week running Cold Fusion. I think, as stated in another reply earlier, it depends on who the developer is. Junk code won't scale while good code will. Take that however you want. - Original Message - From: "Geoffrey V. Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:45 AM Subject: RE: ASP or Coldfusion? Hi, I'll offer my opinion, as I'm facing the same thing. I have a site that is going to be massive. Cold Fusion simply could not hold up to the load, and crashed repeatedly. The site is about 99% data driven, so there is a lot of data access going on. I am now developing this site in ASP, and it seems far more stable. We are generally getting 100k+ hits a week on this site. After seeing many large projects fail with cold fusion, I'd recommend trying other options before going the CF route on a large project. Note, I am a die hard CF developer, I feel that CF is good for smaller sites, less hits, and allows for a faster development time than ASP... but it just doesn't hold up on larger projects. -Original Message- From: Dean Alexandrou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
I think the issue could be the 99% data driven. Not that I know the design or anything. Ben Forta at the UKCFUG meeting specifically highlighted an issue with a databases. He knew of one site where the application.cfm would take 13 minutes to run first timeafter that, milliseconds. It was literally cahing the whole catalogue for the site into structures to provide massive performance gains. -- From: Kevin Schmidt[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 September 2000 17:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ASP or Coldfusion? I have to disagree there are alot of sites that are very large and handle more than 100K plus hits a week running Cold Fusion. I think, as stated in another reply earlier, it depends on who the developer is. Junk code won't scale while good code will. Take that however you want. - Original Message - From: "Geoffrey V. Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:45 AM Subject: RE: ASP or Coldfusion? Hi, I'll offer my opinion, as I'm facing the same thing. I have a site that is going to be massive. Cold Fusion simply could not hold up to the load, and crashed repeatedly. The site is about 99% data driven, so there is a lot of data access going on. I am now developing this site in ASP, and it seems far more stable. We are generally getting 100k+ hits a week on this site. After seeing many large projects fail with cold fusion, I'd recommend trying other options before going the CF route on a large project. Note, I am a die hard CF developer, I feel that CF is good for smaller sites, less hits, and allows for a faster development time than ASP... but it just doesn't hold up on larger projects. -Original Message- From: Dean Alexandrou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. ** This email and any attachments are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. They may contain material protected by legal professional or other privilege. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute or retain this email or its attachments. Although this email and its attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the company for any loss or damage arising from receipt or use thereof. ** -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
As a rule I try not to get involved in this particular discussion, but I feel compelled to say that Kevin has hit the nail on the head. Good CF code will scale well, but CF code won't. Same is true for any language and platform - I have seen great ASP code, great Perl code, and great JSP code - I have also seen really bad ASP code, really bad Perl code, and really bad JSP code. Bottom line (and I have said this before), ColdFusion is a tool, it depends on how you use it (and how you opt not to use it). --- Ben PS Go to www.forta.com/cf/resources, there are links there to a few CFDJ columns I wrote on just this subject. -Original Message- From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 12:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ASP or Coldfusion? I have to disagree there are alot of sites that are very large and handle more than 100K plus hits a week running Cold Fusion. I think, as stated in another reply earlier, it depends on who the developer is. Junk code won't scale while good code will. Take that however you want. - Original Message - From: "Geoffrey V. Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:45 AM Subject: RE: ASP or Coldfusion? Hi, I'll offer my opinion, as I'm facing the same thing. I have a site that is going to be massive. Cold Fusion simply could not hold up to the load, and crashed repeatedly. The site is about 99% data driven, so there is a lot of data access going on. I am now developing this site in ASP, and it seems far more stable. We are generally getting 100k+ hits a week on this site. After seeing many large projects fail with cold fusion, I'd recommend trying other options before going the CF route on a large project. Note, I am a die hard CF developer, I feel that CF is good for smaller sites, less hits, and allows for a faster development time than ASP... but it just doesn't hold up on larger projects. -Original Message- From: Dean Alexandrou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: ASP or Coldfusion?
This is flame-bait if I ever saw it. I think I'm going to go post on a religious mailing list, "I heard your religion is not as good as some of the other religions. What do you think?" At 03:01 PM 9/22/00 +0100, Dean Alexandrou wrote: I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. --- Peter Theobald, Chief Technology Officer LiquidStreaming http://www.liquidstreaming.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone 1.212.545.1232 x204 Fax 1.212.679.8032 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: ASP or Coldfusion?
Well...informally it is the City of Los Angeles's choice for a web development platform, big enough? They get LOTS of hits even tho I've never seen the stats. Gregory Harris Los Angeles Information Technology Agency (ITA) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/22 7:01 AM I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebarRstsbodyRsts/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
I guess I'll throw my experience into the mix as well. We developed a ColdFusion a site that does well over 500,000 hits a day running on a single web server and a single sql7 box. It is very, very data intensive, and runs like a charm. As traffic picked up, we did run into many issues, but were always able to overcome them by utilizing several caching techniques. Hope this helps! --- Don Bellamy SiteObjects, Inc. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.siteobjects.com/ tel 517-324-4227 ext 100 fax 517-324-4267 cell 517-205-4750 pager 517-205-4750 -Original Message- From: Geoffrey V. Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ASP or Coldfusion? Hi, I'll offer my opinion, as I'm facing the same thing. I have a site that is going to be massive. Cold Fusion simply could not hold up to the load, and crashed repeatedly. The site is about 99% data driven, so there is a lot of data access going on. I am now developing this site in ASP, and it seems far more stable. We are generally getting 100k+ hits a week on this site. After seeing many large projects fail with cold fusion, I'd recommend trying other options before going the CF route on a large project. Note, I am a die hard CF developer, I feel that CF is good for smaller sites, less hits, and allows for a faster development time than ASP... but it just doesn't hold up on larger projects. -Original Message- From: Dean Alexandrou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
Hi, We had a Dual P3 600, 1gig+ ram as a cf box, running 4.5.1. The db server was SQL Server 7 on a dual 600, 512 ram. No clustering. We have roughly 70 queries that cache data, 20-40 recordsets each. Some queries use stored procedures, others do not. Each page runs a minimum of three queries. Server settings are as Allaire recommends for multi processor systems. -Original Message- From: Reynolds, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ASP or Coldfusion? I'm curious on this one. What set-up did you have? Where did the issues arise? Did you cluster? CF Server and DB on same machine? Caching strategies? DB Stored Procedures? What server settings? No criticism, just genuinely interested as Allaire has done some analysis which indicates a dual pIII 1/2 Gig server should be able to deal with 500-600 responses every 8 seconds and that clustering servers provides a linear growth. -- From: Geoffrey V. Brown[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 September 2000 15:45 To: CF-Talk Subject:RE: ASP or Coldfusion? Hi, I'll offer my opinion, as I'm facing the same thing. I have a site that is going to be massive. Cold Fusion simply could not hold up to the load, and crashed repeatedly. The site is about 99% data driven, so there is a lot of data access going on. I am now developing this site in ASP, and it seems far more stable. We are generally getting 100k+ hits a week on this site. After seeing many large projects fail with cold fusion, I'd recommend trying other options before going the CF route on a large project. Note, I am a die hard CF developer, I feel that CF is good for smaller sites, less hits, and allows for a faster development time than ASP... but it just doesn't hold up on larger projects. -Original Message- From: Dean Alexandrou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. ** This email and any attachments are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. They may contain material protected by legal professional or other privilege. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute or retain this email or its attachments. Although this email and its attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the company for any loss or damage arising from receipt or use thereof. ** -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
You're asking that question on this list? ColdFusion of course. :) -- Mark Warrick Phone: (714) 547-5386 Efax.com Fax: (801) 730-7289 Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com ICQ: 346566 -- -Original Message- From: Dean Alexandrou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 7:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebarRstsbodyRsts/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion - There is no Question
There is no question, both ASP and CF will scale well. What you have to ask yourself. What if you want to move beyond an NT platform. Will ASP move with you? There are CF sites that are doing a million hits per day. We are hosting almost 500,000 CF hits a day right here. By you estimate your site will do 100,000 hits per week. That is less than 15,000 hits per day. We are handling 33 times that load and it is no sweat for CF, if you program it right. You can write junk code in ASP just as well as you can in CF. The programmer is the number one factor in the success and performance of the site. Not the tools. ASP and CF will both scale well if done correctly. - Steve Steve Pierce, HDL "Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee" (734) 482-9682 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://HDL.com -Original Message- From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 12:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ASP or Coldfusion? I have to disagree there are alot of sites that are very large and handle more than 100K plus hits a week running Cold Fusion. I think, as stated in another reply earlier, it depends on who the developer is. Junk code won't scale while good code will. Take that however you want. - Original Message - From: "Geoffrey V. Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:45 AM Subject: RE: ASP or Coldfusion? Hi, I'll offer my opinion, as I'm facing the same thing. I have a site that is going to be massive. Cold Fusion simply could not hold up to the load, and crashed repeatedly. The site is about 99% data driven, so there is a lot of data access going on. I am now developing this site in ASP, and it seems far more stable. We are generally getting 100k+ hits a week on this site. After seeing many large projects fail with cold fusion, I'd recommend trying other options before going the CF route on a large project. Note, I am a die hard CF developer, I feel that CF is good for smaller sites, less hits, and allows for a faster development time than ASP... but it just doesn't hold up on larger projects. -Original Message- From: Dean Alexandrou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP or Coldfusion? I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: ASP or Coldfusion?
Then you truly must be doing something wrong... Our main site does over 1.2 million hits a week with extremely heavy database and CF processing. The CF machine is a Dual PII 400, 512mb RAM and a RAID array... The database hardware is identical, and is running SQL7. That's it, no clustering or anything like that. We rarely ever have a problem with CF. The code has been optimized on the heavily hit pages but there is still a decent amount of older quick and dirty stuff. I don't have a clue as to how you were crashing the server with only 100,000 hits... but I'm willing to bet it was your code. -Rich - Original Message - From: "Geoffrey V. Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: RE: ASP or Coldfusion? Hi, I'll offer my opinion, as I'm facing the same thing. I have a site that is going to be massive. Cold Fusion simply could not hold up to the load, and crashed repeatedly. The site is about 99% data driven, so there is a lot of data access going on. I am now developing this site in ASP, and it seems far more stable. We are generally getting 100k+ hits a week on this site. After seeing many large projects fail with cold fusion, I'd recommend trying other options before going the CF route on a large project. Note, I am a die hard CF developer, I feel that CF is good for smaller sites, less hits, and allows for a faster development time than ASP... but it just doesn't hold up on larger projects. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: ASP or Coldfusion?
A large site is a few thousand hits a week??? What is a few thousand an hour then? -Original Message- From: Peter Theobald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 11:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ASP or Coldfusion? This is flame-bait if I ever saw it. I think I'm going to go post on a religious mailing list, "I heard your religion is not as good as some of the other religions. What do you think?" At 03:01 PM 9/22/00 +0100, Dean Alexandrou wrote: I am not sure what tool to use to develop quite a major site. I have heard that while coldfusion is good for small sites, ASP is more robust, and would cope better with a large site that has to deal with a few thousand hits a week. - - Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- - Peter Theobald, Chief Technology Officer LiquidStreaming http://www.liquidstreaming.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone 1.212.545.1232 x204 Fax 1.212.679.8032 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: ASP or Coldfusion?
What did someone decide we weren't getting enough messages on this board? Fred T. Sanders Charlottesville, VA --- I'm going to go write some angry code now! -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
