RE: Another debate PHP v CF
Kelly, your boss wrote: >> switch from ... cold fusion to PHP. >> The need to deliberate the issue further is a mute point. Forget it, your boss said he doesn't want to debate it, he wants to switch from CF to PHP. Just switch. Look at all the new training classes you will get to attend learning new skills. It helps you become more marketable and worth more to the company and to outside companies looking to hire. The first person to jump on board is going to go to the most classes, get the best training, the newest books and the best computer. I am not saying be a suck-up, but if they want PHP, then do PHP. You have to look at this as a core value decision. If this is a core value issue that compromises your ethics, then quit. You can't stay at a company and violate your core values. For example core values would be you believe there is fraud; or the guy is taking kickbacks from vendors; or there is stock manipulation that is occurring. If this is happening you have to bail. But if it isn't a core value issue take it as a new opportunity to make yourself more marketable. Cover your ass, write a letter to your boss, and make it a nice one saying that you think switching from CF may cost the company a lot of money. But that if he believes switching to PHP is better for the company and will shorten delivery times of projects, then you support that decision. Keep it short and to just one page. Don't fight it, just do it and move on. Can you imagine a developer that knows PHP and CF. Pretty good credentials that makes it easier to demand more money. This is a win for you, don't worry about it. - Steve Steve Pierce, HDL "Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee" (734) 482-9682 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://HDL.com -Original Message- From: Kelly Shepard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Another debate The new boss has arrived in my department and of course he wants everyone to switch from the awesome and all mighty cold fusion to PHP. We do need some other strengths in our department for those clients who don't want us to host their application or don't have cf on their server, but, he wants a complete switch. Here is a glimpse into his last email: "It could be argued that both technologies have their strengths and weaknesses. However, in the corporate IT department, CF is usually not an option due to cost and security problems. I realize that changing perceptions and old habits are sometimes difficult, but necessary. Especially in our industry (high-tech). The need to deliberate the issue further is a mute point." Does anyone have any opinions on his security problems comment? It seems that alliare is pretty good about getting patches up - or we have just been lucky and not had any problems. And, would you agree that in the corporate IT department cf is "usually" not an option? Thanks in advance for any input. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Another debate PHP v CF
[ First off, let me say that I love (love love love) CF, and it's my baby of choice for development (see: http://www.tallylist.com and http://www.spankmag.com). But, here, you really don't have a choice. You can either sit in the mud, complain, and sabotage the change - or you can work with the guy. He has a different point of view, but he was hired to lead the department (that doesn't make him competent, but it does grant him the authority). So it is his view to lead the department forward. What you're looking for is ways to offer suggestions or thoughts that may be receptive to him. Ask about past projects he's been involved with utilizing PHP, or other technologies. Ask about his background in development, if there's interesting things you should be on the lookout for. Ask if he has a vision for 2 to 3 years - where this department may be. Find out where it's going and why before you buck the system. This isn't ass kissing. Ass kissing is rolling over and saying abuse me. What it is though is how to survive transition, how to position yourself during transition, and how to maintain all your options. Plus, maybe the IT department can actually produce product during this phase (in CF or PHP). The person was hired for a reason. So, give that person time. On the other hand - you can question that persons ability by asking about past and future projects and goals - and make evaluations based on those answers. Stephen R. Cassady President, Ububik new media [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ububik.com <--- from email: ---> "It could be argued that both technologies have their strengths and weaknesses. However, in the corporate IT department, CF is usually not an option due to cost and security problems. I realize that changing perceptions and old habits are sometimes difficult, but necessary. Especially in our industry (high-tech). The need to deliberate the issue further is a mute point." Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Another debate PHP v CF
Really gotta agree with you Steve. Personally, I disagree with the way the boss is implementing things... however, I think we should all think of ourselves as "web developers" and not "ColdFusion developers" in order to make more money, be better "programmers", and all around more diverse. I've been exposed to several languages, and each has a different way of thinking. For example, VBScript typically is approached and coded differently than CFML. However, I've found that such cross-disciplinary thinking allows me to approach each language differently than is typical for that particular language, and my problem solving skills have increased as a result. It allows me to expand beyond a "(insert language here) disciple" and become a "problem solver implementing solutions ideal for the particular problem at hand". In your shoes, I'd be annoyed. I'd stick with it, learn PHP, and then take advantage of my new toolset... (of course, taking advantage of training just to get a higher paying job elsewhere is a bit unethical, so I by no mean advocate it ;) -- Billy Cravens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve Pierce wrote: > > Kelly, > > your boss wrote: > >> switch from ... cold fusion to PHP. > >> The need to deliberate the issue further is a mute point. > > Forget it, your boss said he doesn't want to debate it, he wants to switch > from CF to PHP. Just switch. Look at all the new training classes you will > get to attend learning new skills. It helps you become more marketable and > worth more to the company and to outside companies looking to hire. The > first person to jump on board is going to go to the most classes, get the > best training, the newest books and the best computer. I am not saying be a > suck-up, but if they want PHP, then do PHP. > > You have to look at this as a core value decision. If this is a core value > issue that compromises your ethics, then quit. You can't stay at a company > and violate your core values. > > For example core values would be you believe there is fraud; or the guy is > taking kickbacks from vendors; or there is stock manipulation that is > occurring. If this is happening you have to bail. But if it isn't a core > value issue take it as a new opportunity to make yourself more marketable. > > Cover your ass, write a letter to your boss, and make it a nice one saying > that you think switching from CF may cost the company a lot of money. But > that if he believes switching to PHP is better for the company and will > shorten delivery times of projects, then you support that decision. Keep it > short and to just one page. > > Don't fight it, just do it and move on. Can you imagine a developer that > knows PHP and CF. Pretty good credentials that makes it easier to demand > more money. This is a win for you, don't worry about it. > > - Steve > > Steve Pierce, HDL > "Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee" > (734) 482-9682 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://HDL.com > > -Original Message- > From: Kelly Shepard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:14 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Another debate > > The new boss has arrived in my department and of course he wants everyone to > switch from the awesome and all mighty cold fusion to PHP. We do need > some other strengths in our department for those clients who don't want us > to host their application or don't have cf on their server, but, he wants a > complete switch. Here is a glimpse into his last email: > > "It could be argued that both technologies have their strengths and > weaknesses. However, in the corporate IT department, CF is usually not an > option due to cost and security problems. I realize that changing > perceptions and old habits are sometimes difficult, but necessary. > Especially in our industry (high-tech). > > The need to deliberate the issue further is a mute point." > > Does anyone have any opinions on his security problems comment? It seems > that alliare is pretty good about getting patches up - or we have just been > lucky and not had any problems. And, would you agree that in the corporate > IT department cf is "usually" not an option? > > Thanks in advance for any input. > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Another debate PHP v CF
The best advice I have seen. Ditto jon - Original Message - From: "Steve Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:56 PM Subject: RE: Another debate PHP v CF > Kelly, > > your boss wrote: > >> switch from ... cold fusion to PHP. > >> The need to deliberate the issue further is a mute point. > > Forget it, your boss said he doesn't want to debate it, he wants to switch > from CF to PHP. Just switch. Look at all the new training classes you will > get to attend learning new skills. It helps you become more marketable and > worth more to the company and to outside companies looking to hire. The > first person to jump on board is going to go to the most classes, get the > best training, the newest books and the best computer. I am not saying be a > suck-up, but if they want PHP, then do PHP. > > You have to look at this as a core value decision. If this is a core value > issue that compromises your ethics, then quit. You can't stay at a company > and violate your core values. > > For example core values would be you believe there is fraud; or the guy is > taking kickbacks from vendors; or there is stock manipulation that is > occurring. If this is happening you have to bail. But if it isn't a core > value issue take it as a new opportunity to make yourself more marketable. > > Cover your ass, write a letter to your boss, and make it a nice one saying > that you think switching from CF may cost the company a lot of money. But > that if he believes switching to PHP is better for the company and will > shorten delivery times of projects, then you support that decision. Keep it > short and to just one page. > > Don't fight it, just do it and move on. Can you imagine a developer that > knows PHP and CF. Pretty good credentials that makes it easier to demand > more money. This is a win for you, don't worry about it. > > - Steve > > Steve Pierce, HDL > "Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee" > (734) 482-9682 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://HDL.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: Kelly Shepard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:14 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Another debate > > > The new boss has arrived in my department and of course he wants everyone to > switch from the awesome and all mighty cold fusion to PHP. We do need > some other strengths in our department for those clients who don't want us > to host their application or don't have cf on their server, but, he wants a > complete switch. Here is a glimpse into his last email: > > "It could be argued that both technologies have their strengths and > weaknesses. However, in the corporate IT department, CF is usually not an > option due to cost and security problems. I realize that changing > perceptions and old habits are sometimes difficult, but necessary. > Especially in our industry (high-tech). > > The need to deliberate the issue further is a mute point." > > Does anyone have any opinions on his security problems comment? It seems > that alliare is pretty good about getting patches up - or we have just been > lucky and not had any problems. And, would you agree that in the corporate > IT department cf is "usually" not an option? > > Thanks in advance for any input. > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
