Re: Backbase
perhaps that's because of the current prohibitive cost which is going to change? Hey...there aren't alot of Beta tapes out there...but we know which tech was best ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225625 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Backbase
But Flex is not exactly abound with use on the public facing web is it? Neither are Flash Forms for that matter... -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson To: CF-Talk Sent: 29/11/2005 19:04 Subject: Re: Backbase > Jesus, if u think that is cheap, how much is FLEX? apparently about to be much cheaperunder $1000 for tools to deploy standalone SWFs...no Flex server required (of course the current Flex will become the Enterprise offering and it will still costa pretty penny) BTW...I think it was Sean that talked about Flex 2 on-list rcently...check the archives Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225617 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Backbase
> Jesus, if u think that is cheap, how much is FLEX? apparently about to be much cheaperunder $1000 for tools to deploy standalone SWFs...no Flex server required (of course the current Flex will become the Enterprise offering and it will still costa pretty penny) BTW...I think it was Sean that talked about Flex 2 on-list rcently...check the archives Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225609 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Backbase
Jesus, if u think that is cheap, how much is FLEX? -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 November 2005 15:17 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Backbase And its only $13,920 for a vanilla 2-cpu server. That should be an easy sell. :-( CF, I think, is the only avenue to affordable RIA's for all but the largest clients (via Flex tech creeping into the product over a period of a few years) unless some white knight comes in via open source. There's just not a compelling case for this technology given its pricing unless your client is way up on top of the food chain. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225604 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Backbase
Consider yourself corrected then. You do not need a server to run Laszlo -- that's what the SOLO is all about. http://www.laszlosystems.com/developers/learn/articles/openlaszlo-3.0-features.php --Ferg Munson, Jacob wrote: >I have never used either, but I was looking at Open Laszlo yesterday. >Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looked like you had to be running a >server for Laszlo to work. I'd prefer to use Flex Builder and just >throw an swf where I need it, but that's just my opinion. Of course, >it's hard to argue with free. > > > >>-Original Message- >>From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:35 AM >>To: CF-Talk >>Subject: RE: Backbase >> >>Indeed...true true... would you say Laszlo is better than Flex? >> >> >> >>-----Original Message- >>From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: 29 November 2005 15:46 >>To: CF-Talk >>Subject: RE: Backbase >> >>What about open laszlo... FREE >> >> > >This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential >and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the >intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, >distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any >reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in >error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its >entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. > > > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225563 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Backbase
I have never used either, but I was looking at Open Laszlo yesterday. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looked like you had to be running a server for Laszlo to work. I'd prefer to use Flex Builder and just throw an swf where I need it, but that's just my opinion. Of course, it's hard to argue with free. > -Original Message- > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:35 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Backbase > > Indeed...true true... would you say Laszlo is better than Flex? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 29 November 2005 15:46 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Backbase > > What about open laszlo... FREE This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225560 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Backbase
Indeed...true true... would you say Laszlo is better than Flex? -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 November 2005 15:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Backbase What about open laszlo... FREE -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 November 2005 15:15 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Backbase Stay tuned... ;-) -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 November 2005 15:17 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Backbase And its only $13,920 for a vanilla 2-cpu server. That should be an easy sell. :-( CF, I think, is the only avenue to affordable RIA's for all but the largest clients (via Flex tech creeping into the product over a period of a few years) unless some white knight comes in via open source. There's just not a compelling case for this technology given its pricing unless your client is way up on top of the food chain. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:22 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Backbase
What about open laszlo... FREE -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 November 2005 15:15 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Backbase Stay tuned... ;-) -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 November 2005 15:17 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Backbase And its only $13,920 for a vanilla 2-cpu server. That should be an easy sell. :-( CF, I think, is the only avenue to affordable RIA's for all but the largest clients (via Flex tech creeping into the product over a period of a few years) unless some white knight comes in via open source. There's just not a compelling case for this technology given its pricing unless your client is way up on top of the food chain. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225552 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Backbase
Stay tuned... ;-) -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 November 2005 15:17 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Backbase And its only $13,920 for a vanilla 2-cpu server. That should be an easy sell. :-( CF, I think, is the only avenue to affordable RIA's for all but the largest clients (via Flex tech creeping into the product over a period of a few years) unless some white knight comes in via open source. There's just not a compelling case for this technology given its pricing unless your client is way up on top of the food chain. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225543 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Backbase
And its only $13,920 for a vanilla 2-cpu server. That should be an easy sell. :-( CF, I think, is the only avenue to affordable RIA's for all but the largest clients (via Flex tech creeping into the product over a period of a few years) unless some white knight comes in via open source. There's just not a compelling case for this technology given its pricing unless your client is way up on top of the food chain. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225539 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Backbase
Good questionIt's a difficult one to call - and really comes down to what you want to achieve, Obviously Backbase is Ajax based so you do not get the overhead of Flash movies (but take a hit on client side RAM) it is client side and I think that for your average CF'er it is a better entry point that Flex - the BXML language is a pretty intuitive and it does teach you a lot about Xpath and manipulation of the DOM. The beauty I like is that, unlike Flex you can mix n match scripting to create your RIA and it all becomes available to you within the DOM/BXML DOM. Flex obviously ties you into using a Flash movie for the whole page.whereas Backbase you could say, OK I want Flash here and HTML here and BXML here.all of which can be accessed and manipulated / moved etc.. If you have time, download the Community Edition, unzip and have a play...see what you think, be interesting to see what others think. N -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 November 2005 11:12 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Backbase Well it looks quite nice, but what is the benefit over Flex or Laszlo -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 November 2005 10:06 To: CF-Talk Subject: Backbase Hi All, Not usually one for the touting of a product but Backbase (www.backbase.com); after some gentle persuation have now created a Backbase and ColdFusion forum for people who want / are using Backbase as an alternative to Flex for the RIA's It is a very nice and smart product. N This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225516 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Backbase
Well it looks quite nice, but what is the benefit over Flex or Laszlo -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 November 2005 10:06 To: CF-Talk Subject: Backbase Hi All, Not usually one for the touting of a product but Backbase (www.backbase.com); after some gentle persuation have now created a Backbase and ColdFusion forum for people who want / are using Backbase as an alternative to Flex for the RIA's It is a very nice and smart product. N This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:225513 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
