Re: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-03 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Tuesday 02 Mar 2004 20:42 pm, Dave Watts wrote:
 those other places first, but in the long run, the US market isn't tied so
 tightly to a single standard with all of the drawbacks that might have.

Single open/free* standards are a Good Thing though.

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RE: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-02 Thread Douglas.Knudsen
ah, this is what I've been digging to find out.Hmm, well being that AOL is kind of sort of owned by a slightly large company, they prob got the funds to do stuff, eh?cell companies get phone#'s in blocks from the FCC, so it probably is not hard to get the cell#-to-cell company relationship.Now, with WNP, how is this going to change?hmm

Doug

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Subject: RE: Cell phone text messaging...

But how does AOL know which provider the user has?When you set it up,
they don't ask what carrier you have.All you enter is your phone
number.

John Burns 

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Subject: Re: Cell phone text messaging...

On Saturday 28 Feb 2004 14:53 pm, Burns, John wrote:
 Right, but by only giving AOL 3018675309, how does it know that it 
 should be sent to SprintPCS? Or maybe ATT, T-mobile, Cingular,
Verizon, etc?

The message is just sent to whoever mobile operator the provider is
connected to, and they then forward it on just as if you had entered the
number into a mobile phone.

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RE: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-02 Thread Burns, John
That's my question.I know locally, 399 has always been Nextel and many
of the other exchanges were always one company or another, but now that
you can switch numbers between carriers, I don't see how you'd be able
to keep up unless you had a direct interface to some kind of data that
matched a cell number to a carrieror if there was some kind of
standard made for doing this sort of thing.

John Burns

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ah, this is what I've been digging to find out.Hmm, well being that
AOL is kind of sort of owned by a slightly large company, they prob got
the funds to do stuff, eh?cell companies get phone#'s in blocks from
the FCC, so it probably is not hard to get the cell#-to-cell company
relationship.Now, with WNP, how is this going to change?hmm

Doug

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Subject: RE: Cell phone text messaging...

But how does AOL know which provider the user has?When you set it up,
they don't ask what carrier you have.All you enter is your phone
number.

John Burns 

-Original Message-
From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Cell phone text messaging...

On Saturday 28 Feb 2004 14:53 pm, Burns, John wrote:
 Right, but by only giving AOL 3018675309, how does it know that it 
 should be sent to SprintPCS? Or maybe ATT, T-mobile, Cingular,
Verizon, etc?

The message is just sent to whoever mobile operator the provider is
connected to, and they then forward it on just as if you had entered the
number into a mobile phone.

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Re: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-02 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Tuesday 02 Mar 2004 14:43 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 so it probably is not hard to get the cell#-to-cell company relationship. 

You don't need it. You just send your SMS out via whatever text gateway you 
have (Gnokii and a phone, X25 to SMSC, ...). You don't need a gateway per 
phone company, any more than you need a mailserver per domain.

 Now, with WNP, how is this going to change?hmm

You mean number porting between providers ? 
It's not a problem here in Europe, because we don't need a link to every phone 
co.

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RE: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-02 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Burns, John said:
 That's my question.I know locally, 399 has always been Nextel and
 many of the other exchanges were always one company or another, but
 now that you can switch numbers between carriers, I don't see how
 you'd be able to keep up unless you had a direct interface to some
 kind of data that matched a cell number to a carrier

That is exactly what they have. In the Netherlands the system is
called COIN and is basically an SDH network over which all telco's
send route this number to me from now on messages in some predefined
XML format for realtime changes and a service organisation maintains a
database of all allocations.

Jochem
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RE: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-02 Thread Burns, John
So there's a text gateway?Is this similar to an SMTP server?Can I
just send a text to 3018675309 and send it through some gateway and it
will establish the carrier or whatever and send it on? Are these gateway
connections free?

John Burns 

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From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:02 AM
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Subject: Re: Cell phone text messaging...

On Tuesday 02 Mar 2004 14:43 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 so it probably is not hard to get the cell#-to-cell company
relationship. 

You don't need it. You just send your SMS out via whatever text gateway
you have (Gnokii and a phone, X25 to SMSC, ...). You don't need a
gateway per phone company, any more than you need a mailserver per
domain.

 Now, with WNP, how is this going to change?hmm

You mean number porting between providers ? 
It's not a problem here in Europe, because we don't need a link to every
phone co.

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RE: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-02 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Burns, John said:
 So there's a text gateway?Is this similar to an SMTP server?Can
 I just send a text to 3018675309 and send it through some gateway
 and it will establish the carrier or whatever and send it on?

Yes.

 Are these gateway connections free?

No.

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Re: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-02 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Tuesday 02 Mar 2004 15:04 pm, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
 That is exactly what they have. In the Netherlands the system is
 called COIN 

We have something similar in the UK.

  Are these gateway connections free?
 No.

But you can implement one cheaply with a serial cable, normal mobile phone, 
Linux and gnokiid.
If you plan to send lots, then there are other options.

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RE: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-02 Thread Douglas.Knudsen
WNP is wireless number portabilitysomehting here in the states of recent.
interesting knowledge, thanks.the states are typically behind europe and asia in this stuff.odd, eh?seeing as how telephones and cell phones were invented here.

 
so, john, seems that if you have access to a gateway, you could send to just a cell#.otherwise you will need to get the carrier and stuff from the user.I've seen a couple of sites do the latter.

 
Doug

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Subject: Re: Cell phone text messaging...

On Tuesday 02 Mar 2004 14:43 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 so it probably is not hard to get the cell#-to-cell company relationship. 

You don't need it. You just send your SMS out via whatever text gateway you 
have (Gnokii and a phone, X25 to SMSC, ...). You don't need a gateway per 
phone company, any more than you need a mailserver per domain.

 Now, with WNP, how is this going to change?hmm

You mean number porting between providers ? 
It's not a problem here in Europe, because we don't need a link to every phone 
co.

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Re: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-02 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Tuesday 02 Mar 2004 15:14 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 europe and asia in this stuff. 

Yup. And in phone technology too.

 seeing as how telephones and cell 
 phones were invented here.

splutter
http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1098.htm

 the user.I've seen a couple of sites do the latter.

You can see www.greatbigblue.com do the former if you like :-)

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RE: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-02 Thread Douglas.Knudsen
LOL...yeah, historical vantage points, eh? Like who really 'invented' the pytagoream theorem?The chinese knoew of this well before the greeks.

 
Spoke to some folks here where I work, Alltel.Seems teh FCC has a clearing house of sorts that keeps the relation of phone # to carrier.

 
Doug

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On Tuesday 02 Mar 2004 15:14 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 europe and asia in this stuff. 

Yup. And in phone technology too.

 seeing as how telephones and cell 
 phones were invented here.

splutter
http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1098.htm

 the user.I've seen a couple of sites do the latter.

You can see www.greatbigblue.com do the former if you like :-)

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RE: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-02 Thread Dave Watts
 interesting knowledge, thanks.the states are typically 
 behind europe and asia in this stuff.odd, eh?seeing as 
 how telephones and cell phones were invented here.

It's unfortunate, but not odd really. In the states there's no uniformity
across networks and little cooperation between government and telecoms,
compared to Europe and Asia. So, in the short run, new features come out in
those other places first, but in the long run, the US market isn't tied so
tightly to a single standard with all of the drawbacks that might have.

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Re: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-01 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Saturday 28 Feb 2004 14:53 pm, Burns, John wrote:
 Right, but by only giving AOL 3018675309, how does it know that it should
 be sent to SprintPCS? Or maybe ATT, T-mobile, Cingular, Verizon, etc? 

The message is just sent to whoever mobile operator the provider is connected 
to, and they then forward it on just as if you had entered the number into a 
mobile phone.

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RE: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-01 Thread Burns, John
But how does AOL know which provider the user has?When you set it up,
they don't ask what carrier you have.All you enter is your phone
number.

John Burns 

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From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Cell phone text messaging...

On Saturday 28 Feb 2004 14:53 pm, Burns, John wrote:
 Right, but by only giving AOL 3018675309, how does it know that it 
 should be sent to SprintPCS? Or maybe ATT, T-mobile, Cingular,
Verizon, etc?

The message is just sent to whoever mobile operator the provider is
connected to, and they then forward it on just as if you had entered the
number into a mobile phone.

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Re: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-01 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Burns, John wrote:

 But how does AOL know which provider the user has?When you set it up,
 they don't ask what carrier you have.All you enter is your phone
 number.

If you dial a phone number, do you have to specify which carrier 
the phone number is on, or does the phone company find that out 
for you?

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RE: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-01 Thread Stuart Kidd
I use a company that enables me to send messages to my customers, i don't need to know which carrier they are with.If they respond however the company i use tells me who the carrier is.

AOL probably uses an intermediary company also.These intermediary companies have agreements with all the providers... when a text message is sent it comes with a header which would say which network the customer is on.Then, this middle company can send it on to you. Or vice versa.

I use http://www.eplcommunications.com in the UK.

HTH

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But how does AOL know which provider the user has?When you set it up,
they don't ask what carrier you have.All you enter is your phone
number.

John Burns 

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Subject: Re: Cell phone text messaging...

On Saturday 28 Feb 2004 14:53 pm, Burns, John wrote:
 Right, but by only giving AOL 3018675309, how does it know that it 
 should be sent to SprintPCS? Or maybe ATT, T-mobile, Cingular,
Verizon, etc?

The message is just sent to whoever mobile operator the provider is
connected to, and they then forward it on just as if you had entered the
number into a mobile phone.

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Re: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-03-01 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Monday 01 Mar 2004 15:02 pm, Stuart Kidd wrote:
 These intermediary
 companies have agreements with all the providers...

 knowing look 
They don't have to. 
 /knowing look 

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RE: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-02-28 Thread Burns, John
Right, but by only giving AOL 3018675309, how does it know that it should be sent to SprintPCS? Or maybe ATT, T-mobile, Cingular, Verizon, etc?That's what I'm trying to figure out.

 
John



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basically there's a email-to-cell gateway, translating an internet email to sms.So the cell company sets up a domain and usually uses the [EMAIL PROTECTED] format to forward emails to this gateway.So, theoretically, AOL's AIM does nothing really expect forward the IM to email.

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Subject: Cell phone text messaging...
 
 
Does anyone know if there is some kind of standard for text messaging cell phones?I ask because I notice that AOL now allows you to forward instant messages to your cell phone and all you have to enter is you cell number.I know with some companies you can email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and that will turn into a text message for your phone, but I'm curious how they are able to text message your IMs with just your cell number...ESPECIALLY now that there's the whole take your number with you law in place.Granted, AOL could have some agreement with the companies to get a list of all the numbers for this service, but that seems doubtful.Anyone know of a simple way, given a cell number that I can create a CF page that will send a text message to that phone?
 
 
John Burns
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RE: Cell phone text messaging...

2004-02-27 Thread Douglas.Knudsen
basically there's a email-to-cell gateway, translating an internet email to sms.So the cell company sets up a domain and usually uses the [EMAIL PROTECTED] format to forward emails to this gateway.So, theoretically, AOL's AIM does nothing really expect forward the IM to email.

 
Douglas Knudsen (Telecommuting)
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	Subject: Cell phone text messaging...
	
	
	Does anyone know if there is some kind of standard for text messaging cell phones?I ask because I notice that AOL now allows you to forward instant messages to your cell phone and all you have to enter is you cell number.I know with some companies you can email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and that will turn into a text message for your phone, but I'm curious how they are able to text message your IMs with just your cell number...ESPECIALLY now that there's the whole take your number with you law in place.Granted, AOL could have some agreement with the companies to get a list of all the numbers for this service, but that seems doubtful.Anyone know of a simple way, given a cell number that I can create a CF page that will send a text message to that phone?
	
	
	John Burns 
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