RE: ColdFusion Server x Hardware
What version did you plan on running? CFMX of CF5? Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rodrigo Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Server x Hardware Hi ALL ! Where can I have a good documentation about good hardware for ColdFusion Servers ? I have actually a Pentium 4 1.8Mhz (one processor), 512mb RAM and 100gb HD, running WinNT and sometimes the server goes down I know my problem isn't at all with my machine, but I want a reference that compare the number of simultaneous users versus machine configuration... Thanks ! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ColdFusion Server x Hardware
You should be fine. To be honest I have not used NT since 2k came out and then only ran 4.5 on it. But your hardware sounds powerful enough to handle CF. You may drop another 512 of RAM in just to be sure. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rodrigo Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Server x Hardware Dan, i plan on running CF5 ! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ColdFusion Server x Hardware
www.dell.com there isnt a specific setup of server anything that will make a difference to cfAnything, I mean, unless you are trying to run it on a 1949 ford truck engine, through a diesel generator and then back through to a bw monitor tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 -Original Message- From: Rodrigo Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Server x Hardware Hi ALL ! Where can I have a good documentation about good hardware for ColdFusion Servers ? I have actually a Pentium 4 1.8Mhz (one processor), 512mb RAM and 100gb HD, running WinNT and sometimes the server goes down I know my problem isn't at all with my machine, but I want a reference that compare the number of simultaneous users versus machine configuration... Thanks ! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ColdFusion Server x Hardware
Rodrigo, if you are having stability problems with this system I am pretty certain it is no a factor of load or insufficient resources but more likely coding issues. However you need to verify this. Take a good look in the ColdFusion Error logs, Application and Server in particular. Look for unexpected exception errors, and the string thread or threading also look for restart. A The CF Error logs are superb and if there are issues of this and other kinds you will find precise details of the template and line where the error impacted or emanated. Hth. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: Rodrigo Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 7:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Server x Hardware Hi ALL ! Where can I have a good documentation about good hardware for ColdFusion Servers ? I have actually a Pentium 4 1.8Mhz (one processor), 512mb RAM and 100gb HD, running WinNT and sometimes the server goes down I know my problem isn't at all with my machine, but I want a reference that compare the number of simultaneous users versus machine configuration... Thanks ! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ColdFusion Server x Hardware
Advanced SQL Server 2000 (Can make use of both processors im pretty sure) Dual P4 1.8+ GHZ Processors 2 Gigs of Ram CFMX Ent. Edition Windows 2000 Advanced Server that should fix you right up :) now, about 1000 active users, and 40 simultaneous requests...thats kinda hard to stomache, simultaneous vs. concurrent has been a hotly debated topic not sure about here, but in many other forums...to have that many actual concurrent connections to a db would be a lot more users that 1000, although possible, the real deal is if the queries are taking that long that out of 1000 you have 40 that are simultaneous or concurrent, then maybe shorten the queries up a bit? or make them tuned better? anyway, the above combo would rock with CFMX tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 -Original Message- From: Rodrigo Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:17 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Server x Hardware Dan and Tony, thanks for your reply ! Well, i have more than 1000 users registered in my system and i have 40 simultaneous users making queries. With that enviornment, my hardware is good ? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ColdFusion Server x Hardware
Well without knowing just what you are doing, in general I would say you are ok. Just make sure you are NOT using Access. Use MySQL or MSSQL. Access will start to bomb out after about 25-30 simultaneous connections. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rodrigo Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:17 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Server x Hardware Dan and Tony, thanks for your reply ! Well, i have more than 1000 users registered in my system and i have 40 simultaneous users making queries. With that enviornment, my hardware is good ? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ColdFusion Server x Hardware
I would segregate them. put cf5 on one machine with iis on it. then put the oracle server on another machine :) tony tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 -Original Message- From: Rodrigo Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Server x Hardware Ok... Thanks for everybody ! I am using an Oracle database with CF5.0 and IIS 5.0... All of them in same machine... So i think that overload my machine, but as all of you said, my actual configuration is very good... Thanks again. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ColdFusion Server x Hardware
If you are running them all on the same server, then I would definitly suggest another 512 MB RAM. ~~ Stephenie Hamilton Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional CFXHosting -Original Message- From: Rodrigo Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Server x Hardware Ok... Thanks for everybody ! I am using an Oracle database with CF5.0 and IIS 5.0... All of them in same machine... So i think that overload my machine, but as all of you said, my actual configuration is very good... Thanks again. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ColdFusion Server x Hardware
I would definitely separate the DB from the application server... - Original Message - From: Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:41 AM Subject: RE: ColdFusion Server x Hardware I would segregate them. put cf5 on one machine with iis on it. then put the oracle server on another machine :) tony tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 -Original Message- From: Rodrigo Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Server x Hardware Ok... Thanks for everybody ! I am using an Oracle database with CF5.0 and IIS 5.0... All of them in same machine... So i think that overload my machine, but as all of you said, my actual configuration is very good... Thanks again. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ColdFusion Server x Hardware
-Original Message- From: Rodrigo Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:17 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Server x Hardware Dan and Tony, thanks for your reply ! Well, i have more than 1000 users registered in my system and i have 40 simultaneous users making queries. With that enviornment, my hardware is good ? It really depends on the application and how it's used. But VERY generally: 1) CF apps have a tendency to be CPU bound: so multiple processors often help more than most other things. 2) If you're doing a lot of caching (of queries for example) or are heavily using shared memory scopes (Session, Application or Server) then more memory may help (you want to avoid moving to virtual memory if at all possible). 3) As others have said Win2K is a much superior platform to NT 4. 4) You haven't mentioned your database - I think most people will assume that it is NOT on the same machine as CF. If it is focus all of your resources to get it on its own machine. In general dedicating hardware to services is a good way segment load. The obvious one is never have you database and application server on the same box, but others can be targeted as well: you may dedicate a machine for sending email, dedicate a search (Verity) server or whatever - all of this depends on what your application does. 5) In a general sense we've had more luck with clusters of moderate machines than with heavy-duty single machines. For example two dual processor machines sporting older chips (for example PIII 500-1000s) will often do much, much better in real-life work than a single dual P4 machine and may cost about the same in total. In the same way four older single processor machines will often beat a monster. ColdFusion isn't unique in this - the same guidelines apply to pretty much all application servers. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ColdFusion Server x Hardware
To add to Jim's post, numerous smaller servers also provide redudnancy, which you don't get from a single large machine. If one of several small machines dies, you're out a part of your processing. If one of one beefy machines dies, you're out ALL of your processing. As long as management and load balancing isn't a huge chore with the specific sitation, multiple machines makes me sleep much better at night. barneyb --- Barney Boisvert, Senior Development Engineer AudienceCentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice : 360.756.8080 x12 fax : 360.647.5351 www.audiencecentral.com -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Server x Hardware -Original Message- From: Rodrigo Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:17 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion Server x Hardware Dan and Tony, thanks for your reply ! Well, i have more than 1000 users registered in my system and i have 40 simultaneous users making queries. With that enviornment, my hardware is good ? It really depends on the application and how it's used. But VERY generally: 1) CF apps have a tendency to be CPU bound: so multiple processors often help more than most other things. 2) If you're doing a lot of caching (of queries for example) or are heavily using shared memory scopes (Session, Application or Server) then more memory may help (you want to avoid moving to virtual memory if at all possible). 3) As others have said Win2K is a much superior platform to NT 4. 4) You haven't mentioned your database - I think most people will assume that it is NOT on the same machine as CF. If it is focus all of your resources to get it on its own machine. In general dedicating hardware to services is a good way segment load. The obvious one is never have you database and application server on the same box, but others can be targeted as well: you may dedicate a machine for sending email, dedicate a search (Verity) server or whatever - all of this depends on what your application does. 5) In a general sense we've had more luck with clusters of moderate machines than with heavy-duty single machines. For example two dual processor machines sporting older chips (for example PIII 500-1000s) will often do much, much better in real-life work than a single dual P4 machine and may cost about the same in total. In the same way four older single processor machines will often beat a monster. ColdFusion isn't unique in this - the same guidelines apply to pretty much all application servers. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
