RE: Discussing Rates in a Public Forum -- was National Radio Commercial
Uhhh, you can post your rates, that isn't illegal. Talking about your rates in a discussion forums is subject of some laws and has lots of room to get yourself in trouble. Be careful. HWG Pricing FAQ http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/priceFAQ.html Is it illegal to discuss pricing? The short answer: YES (at least in the U.S. where many of our members are). The U.S. law specifically makes discussion of pricing between competitors (all or some) a federal offense. According to either Marshall Kragen or Lewis Rose (both practicing lawyers), several brokers in DC were successfully prosecuted for simply discussing an increase of fees at a dinner meeting. When, where, or how doesn't matter. Any discussion of pricing by a group of people within the same industry is illegal in the U.S. The feds call it price fixing. For additional information on the legal aspects of price fixing, please visit the following locations: Another good FAQ How to Set Rates FAQ http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/ratesFAQ.html The question of how much to charge is a popular one in the minds of web developers and it's a topic which crops up often on Guild discussion lists. However, it's a subject which is not permitted according to Guild policies. (See HTML Writers Guild Pricing FAQ.) Nevertheless, the purpose of this FAQ is to provide you with a number of ways to arrive at your rates, and to do so without once running afoul of Guild policies or discussing the actual rates of any particular web developer. - Steve Steve Pierce, HDL "Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee" (734) 482-9682 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://HDL.com -Original Message- From: paul smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 6:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: National Radio Commercial Oh, good grief! Not this old urban legend again. Our fees are posted on our website at www.support.net Haven't heard from the feds yet! best, paul At 04:57 PM 9/22/00 -0700, you wrote: >Sorry. It is illegal US citizens to discuss our rates in an open forum >like this. Check the many salary surveys widely available on the internet. == Paul Smith, Web/Database Droid A: SupportNet, Inc, 3871 Piedmont Ave, Oakland, CA 94611 (There, there, there; there's, there, there) P: (510) 763-2358 C: (510) 205-6755 F: (510) 763-2370 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.support.net -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Discussing Rates in a Public Forum -- was National Radio Commercial
Thanks for the advice, Steve. I'm raising my fees. (Now your in for it). ;-) Jim -Original Message- From: Steve Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, September 24, 2000 6:13 PM Subject: RE: Discussing Rates in a Public Forum -- was National Radio Commercial >Uhhh, you can post your rates, that isn't illegal. Talking about your rates >in a discussion forums is subject of some laws and has lots of room to get >yourself in trouble. Be careful. > >HWG Pricing FAQ >http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/priceFAQ.html >Is it illegal to discuss pricing? >The short answer: YES (at least in the U.S. where many of our members are). > >The U.S. law specifically makes discussion of pricing between competitors >(all or some) a federal offense. According to either Marshall Kragen or >Lewis Rose (both practicing lawyers), several brokers in DC were >successfully prosecuted for simply discussing an increase of fees at a >dinner meeting. > >When, where, or how doesn't matter. Any discussion of pricing by a group of >people within the same industry is illegal in the U.S. The feds call it >price fixing. > >For additional information on the legal aspects of price fixing, please >visit the following locations: > >Another good FAQ >How to Set Rates FAQ >http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/ratesFAQ.html >The question of how much to charge is a popular one in the minds of web >developers and it's a topic which crops up often on Guild discussion lists. >However, it's a subject which is not permitted according to Guild policies. >(See HTML Writers Guild Pricing FAQ.) Nevertheless, the purpose of this FAQ >is to provide you with a number of ways to arrive at your rates, and to do >so without once running afoul of Guild policies or discussing the actual >rates of any particular web developer. > > - Steve > >Steve Pierce, HDL >"Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee" >(734) 482-9682 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://HDL.com > > > > > >-Original Message- >From: paul smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 6:33 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: National Radio Commercial > > >Oh, good grief! Not this old urban legend again. >Our fees are posted on our website at www.support.net >Haven't heard from the feds yet! > >best, paul > >At 04:57 PM 9/22/00 -0700, you wrote: >>Sorry. It is illegal US citizens to discuss our rates in an open forum >>like this. Check the many salary surveys widely available on the internet. > > >== >Paul Smith, Web/Database Droid >A: SupportNet, Inc, 3871 Piedmont Ave, Oakland, CA 94611 >(There, there, there; there's, there, there) >P: (510) 763-2358 >C: (510) 205-6755 >F: (510) 763-2370 >E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >W: http://www.support.net -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Discussing Rates in a Public Forum -- was National Radio Commercial
Steve- Might want to watch your signature :). >>Steve Pierce, HDL >>"Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee" >>(734) 482-9682 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://HDL.com Norman Elton Information Technology College of William & Mary -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Discussing Rates in a Public Forum -- was National Radio Commercial
Like I said, you can post your rates in a forum, you can't 'discuss' them. - Steve -Original Message- From: Norman Elton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 8:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Discussing Rates in a Public Forum -- was National Radio Commercial Steve- Might want to watch your signature :). >>Steve Pierce, HDL >>"Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee" >>(734) 482-9682 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://HDL.com Norman Elton Information Technology College of William & Mary -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Discussing Rates in a Public Forum -- was National Radio Commercial
Actually, the statement you made is probably OK. What would be considered illegal is for several of you to get together and discuss about raising rates. Simply to announce you are raising rates is not illegal. No different than United Airlines announcing they are raising rates to flights to Denver. But of course, this cannot be considered legal advice, if you have any questions, you need to seek your own legal counsel. - Steve -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 8:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Discussing Rates in a Public Forum -- was National Radio Commercial Thanks for the advice, Steve. I'm raising my fees. (Now your in for it). ;-) Jim -Original Message- From: Steve Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, September 24, 2000 6:13 PM Subject: RE: Discussing Rates in a Public Forum -- was National Radio Commercial >Uhhh, you can post your rates, that isn't illegal. Talking about your rates >in a discussion forums is subject of some laws and has lots of room to get >yourself in trouble. Be careful. > >HWG Pricing FAQ >http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/priceFAQ.html >Is it illegal to discuss pricing? >The short answer: YES (at least in the U.S. where many of our members are). > >The U.S. law specifically makes discussion of pricing between competitors >(all or some) a federal offense. According to either Marshall Kragen or >Lewis Rose (both practicing lawyers), several brokers in DC were >successfully prosecuted for simply discussing an increase of fees at a >dinner meeting. > >When, where, or how doesn't matter. Any discussion of pricing by a group of >people within the same industry is illegal in the U.S. The feds call it >price fixing. > >For additional information on the legal aspects of price fixing, please >visit the following locations: > >Another good FAQ >How to Set Rates FAQ >http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/ratesFAQ.html >The question of how much to charge is a popular one in the minds of web >developers and it's a topic which crops up often on Guild discussion lists. >However, it's a subject which is not permitted according to Guild policies. >(See HTML Writers Guild Pricing FAQ.) Nevertheless, the purpose of this FAQ >is to provide you with a number of ways to arrive at your rates, and to do >so without once running afoul of Guild policies or discussing the actual >rates of any particular web developer. > > - Steve > >Steve Pierce, HDL >"Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee" >(734) 482-9682 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://HDL.com > > > > > >-Original Message- >From: paul smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 6:33 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: National Radio Commercial > > >Oh, good grief! Not this old urban legend again. >Our fees are posted on our website at www.support.net >Haven't heard from the feds yet! > >best, paul > >At 04:57 PM 9/22/00 -0700, you wrote: >>Sorry. It is illegal US citizens to discuss our rates in an open forum >>like this. Check the many salary surveys widely available on the internet. > > >== >Paul Smith, Web/Database Droid >A: SupportNet, Inc, 3871 Piedmont Ave, Oakland, CA 94611 >(There, there, there; there's, there, there) >P: (510) 763-2358 >C: (510) 205-6755 >F: (510) 763-2370 >E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >W: http://www.support.net -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Discussing Rates in a Public Forum -- was National Radio Commercial
You'd better watch that signature of yours... looks like you're discussing rates. At 08:13 PM 9/24/00 -0400, Steve Pierce wrote: >Uhhh, you can post your rates, that isn't illegal. Talking about your rates >in a discussion forums is subject of some laws and has lots of room to get >yourself in trouble. Be careful. > >HWG Pricing FAQ >http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/priceFAQ.html >Is it illegal to discuss pricing? >The short answer: YES (at least in the U.S. where many of our members are). > >The U.S. law specifically makes discussion of pricing between competitors >(all or some) a federal offense. According to either Marshall Kragen or >Lewis Rose (both practicing lawyers), several brokers in DC were >successfully prosecuted for simply discussing an increase of fees at a >dinner meeting. > >When, where, or how doesn't matter. Any discussion of pricing by a group of >people within the same industry is illegal in the U.S. The feds call it >price fixing. > >For additional information on the legal aspects of price fixing, please >visit the following locations: > >Another good FAQ >How to Set Rates FAQ >http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/ratesFAQ.html >The question of how much to charge is a popular one in the minds of web >developers and it's a topic which crops up often on Guild discussion lists. >However, it's a subject which is not permitted according to Guild policies. >(See HTML Writers Guild Pricing FAQ.) Nevertheless, the purpose of this FAQ >is to provide you with a number of ways to arrive at your rates, and to do >so without once running afoul of Guild policies or discussing the actual >rates of any particular web developer. > > - Steve > >Steve Pierce, HDL >"Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee" >(734) 482-9682 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://HDL.com --- Peter Theobald, Chief Technology Officer LiquidStreaming http://www.liquidstreaming.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone 1.212.545.1232 x204 Fax 1.212.679.8032 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Discussing Rates in a Public Forum -- was National Radio Commercial
I hope you are joking. If not, you need to take a business class on commercial law and commercial speech. The reason I posted that signature was exactly to demonstrate, that that form of commercial speech is legal in a public forum. If you are joking then good, you got it like several other people did. - Steve -Original Message- From: Peter Theobald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 10:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Discussing Rates in a Public Forum -- was National Radio Commercial You'd better watch that signature of yours... looks like you're discussing rates. At 08:13 PM 9/24/00 -0400, Steve Pierce wrote: >Uhhh, you can post your rates, that isn't illegal. Talking about your rates >in a discussion forums is subject of some laws and has lots of room to get >yourself in trouble. Be careful. > >HWG Pricing FAQ >http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/priceFAQ.html >Is it illegal to discuss pricing? >The short answer: YES (at least in the U.S. where many of our members are). > >The U.S. law specifically makes discussion of pricing between competitors >(all or some) a federal offense. According to either Marshall Kragen or >Lewis Rose (both practicing lawyers), several brokers in DC were >successfully prosecuted for simply discussing an increase of fees at a >dinner meeting. > >When, where, or how doesn't matter. Any discussion of pricing by a group of >people within the same industry is illegal in the U.S. The feds call it >price fixing. > >For additional information on the legal aspects of price fixing, please >visit the following locations: > >Another good FAQ >How to Set Rates FAQ >http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/ratesFAQ.html >The question of how much to charge is a popular one in the minds of web >developers and it's a topic which crops up often on Guild discussion lists. >However, it's a subject which is not permitted according to Guild policies. >(See HTML Writers Guild Pricing FAQ.) Nevertheless, the purpose of this FAQ >is to provide you with a number of ways to arrive at your rates, and to do >so without once running afoul of Guild policies or discussing the actual >rates of any particular web developer. > > - Steve > >Steve Pierce, HDL >"Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee" >(734) 482-9682 | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://HDL.com --- Peter Theobald, Chief Technology Officer LiquidStreaming http://www.liquidstreaming.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone 1.212.545.1232 x204 Fax 1.212.679.8032 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Discussing Rates in a Public Forum -- was National Radio Commercial
> The U.S. law specifically makes discussion of pricing between competitors > (all or some) a federal offense. According to either Marshall Kragen or I think there's a difference between discussion or PRICING and discussion of PRICES. The former is what you are going to charge, the latter is what you DO charge. jay @ $80 an hour __ Need a dentist but don't have insurance? You need a dental plan -- http://www.DentalPlanInfo.com for all the details. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
