RE: Hmmm NO more Allaire
Ya think Microsoft is sweating just a litlle bit? They will when the company that makes Windows bundles CF Server with it, and the company that makes SQL Server ships it free with Ultradev, and the company that makes Visual Basic and C# integrates them tightly with Ultradev too. Oh no wait a minute... ** Information in this email is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your system. You should not otherwise copy it, retransmit it or use or disclose its contents to anyone. Thank you for your co-operation. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hmmm NO more Allaire
nope, MS are probably laughing at the mo. MM and Allaire have great products but what about Mac's? MM are heavily geared for a Macs and CF is not exactly Apple orientated. MS make good products that work (and none of this Ant-Microsoft stuff) They have built up a product list of apps that is fearsome in any software companies book. N ! --- Neil Clark Senior Web Applications Engineer ColdFusion / Spectra / XML mcb digital [Allaire Premier Partner] Tel. +44 (0)20 8941 3232 Tel. +44 (0)20 8408 8131 [Direct] http://www.mcbdigital.com --- ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hmmm NO more Allaire
Good point i am a little worried since we use the Linux Platform =) hopefully they dont drop it. Bill Wheatley Director of Development Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner www.aeps.com www.aeps2000.com 954-472-6684 X303 ICQ: 417645 - Original Message - From: "DeVoil, Nick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:02 AM Subject: RE: Hmmm NO more Allaire Ya think Microsoft is sweating just a litlle bit? They will when the company that makes Windows bundles CF Server with it, and the company that makes SQL Server ships it free with Ultradev, and the company that makes Visual Basic and C# integrates them tightly with Ultradev too. Oh no wait a minute... ** Information in this email is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your system. You should not otherwise copy it, retransmit it or use or disclose its contents to anyone. Thank you for your co-operation. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hmmm NO more Allaire
Just remember what MM did to Drumbeat (bought it, then replaced it and abandoned it's users). Part of me is very scared for CF. Don't get me wrong (I've been a MM user since the Aldus days), but MM does have a way to do what is best for them, not the companies they "merge" with or the developers the leave stranded. MM uses many of the same tactics MS uses. Paul Sizemore Finish Line 3308 N Mitthoeffer Rd Indianapolis, IN 46235 W: 317-899-1022 ext 3516 -Original Message- From: William J Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hmmm NO more Allaire Good point i am a little worried since we use the Linux Platform =) hopefully they dont drop it. Bill Wheatley Director of Development Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner www.aeps.com www.aeps2000.com 954-472-6684 X303 ICQ: 417645 - Original Message - From: "DeVoil, Nick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:02 AM Subject: RE: Hmmm NO more Allaire Ya think Microsoft is sweating just a litlle bit? They will when the company that makes Windows bundles CF Server with it, and the company that makes SQL Server ships it free with Ultradev, and the company that makes Visual Basic and C# integrates them tightly with Ultradev too. Oh no wait a minute... ** Information in this email is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your system. You should not otherwise copy it, retransmit it or use or disclose its contents to anyone. Thank you for your co-operation. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hmmm NO more Allaire
- Original Message - From: "Paul Sizemore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 2:01 PM Just remember what MM did to Drumbeat (bought it, then replaced it and abandoned it's users). Part of me is very scared for CF. Don't get me wrong That's it!! It must be a conspiracy between M$ and MM to kill CF to keep ASP going g. Seriously though - Drumbeat lives inside UltraDev, and CF can't be compared. It is in the interests of MM to support CF, JRun and ASP to the max, ad infinitum. I do think all traces of Allaire (except those on the MM board) and it's product names will go in short order though. So what - it's the platform and development environment we need. Adrian Cooper. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hmmm NO more Allaire
Well I will put my two cents in on this subject and then won't say anything else about it. The merger could be a bad thing, it could end up being a good thing, but I won't lose one moment of sleep because I am confident in my ability as a developer to roll with the times. If MM buries CF then I'll learn other languages that don't cost money to get. I'll broaden my horizons more, not that I am not trying to do that now, but we are developers. We shouldn't be held down by one platform or one programming language. CF wasn't going to be around forever, this deal just cemented that fact, so as a community we either roll with the punches or we stop programming. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hmmm NO more Allaire
I hope they keep some of the branding. somehow Macromedia ColdFusion just doesn't sound as good as Allaire ColdFusion. Oh well - Original Message - From: "Adrian Cooper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Hmmm NO more Allaire - Original Message - From: "Paul Sizemore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 2:01 PM Just remember what MM did to Drumbeat (bought it, then replaced it and abandoned it's users). Part of me is very scared for CF. Don't get me wrong That's it!! It must be a conspiracy between M$ and MM to kill CF to keep ASP going g. Seriously though - Drumbeat lives inside UltraDev, and CF can't be compared. It is in the interests of MM to support CF, JRun and ASP to the max, ad infinitum. I do think all traces of Allaire (except those on the MM board) and it's product names will go in short order though. So what - it's the platform and development environment we need. Adrian Cooper. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hmmm NO more Allaire
I remember when Borland and Corel (publisher of software developer tools and publisher of graphics software respectively - this sound familiar?) announced a merger. The Borland development community had a lot of the same concerns that I see expressed here. Then, after was all said and done the powers that be realized that the merger had no merit and today they are separate companies. Who knows what will happen before the 90 day waiting period has expired? Basically, even though curious, I'm taking the wait and see approach. There's a ton of speculation going on and whatever happens will happen. I would prefer to remain focused on where everything is today and hope for the best - although I think that it wouldn't be a bad thing to let MM know what the concerns are about allaire products. This merger could be a good thing (more developers, marketing, maybe lower prices), it could be bad (I don't think I've ever heard of a software merger that didn't create a few orphaned products) or it could be somewhere in between. And, no, I don't think MS is sweating a bit. They have plenty of good things happening at MS (Win2K, SOAP, .NET and even X-Box g) and they still have the anti-trust appeal to worry about... Howie - Original Message - From: "Michael" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:54 AM Subject: Hmmm NO more Allaire This could be bad, but then again 2 great companies, with great products, could be disaster, then again it could be great, ... Ya think Microsoft is sweating just a litlle bit? Michael ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hmmm NO more Allaire
At 09:32 AM 1/17/01 -0500, you wrote: Well I will put my two cents in on this subject and then won't say anything else about it. The merger could be a bad thing, it could end up being a good thing, but I won't lose one moment of sleep because I am confident in my ability as a developer to roll with the times. If MM buries CF then I'll learn other languages that don't cost money to get. I'll broaden my horizons more, not that I am not trying to do that now, but we are developers. We shouldn't be held down by one platform or one programming language. CF wasn't going to be around forever, this deal just cemented that fact, so as a community we either roll with the punches or we stop programming. Frankly, all this bad speculation about CF not existing in the future even though it would be a bad business move for Macromedia and that Jeremy Allaire is Macromedia's CTO as part of the deal, shows me how much faith CF developers really have in the product. Speculation like this is what causes a panic and makes people go with other products. If the developers don't have enough faith in the product to say "You know, this product has really done wonders for my business and I think it would be stupid for Macromedia to simply trash it" why would someone else want to use it? Furthermore, why would Macromedia continue with the product if the intended market of regular users is ready to bail on it on a moment's notice? It's good to have other skills and it's good to have something to fall back on regardless of the status of a particular product, but if the whole ColdFusion community goes completely paranoid about this people are going to wonder why. Macromedia is not stupid and they wouldn't buy a company for $360,000,000 (I wish I had that in my accounts) and then throw out most of the company's products-- products that were not even really in competition with their own. So everybody just chill out. This may have some bad consequences but those will probably be small things, not big things like "Let's abandon ColdFusion and Spectra." ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hmmm NO more Allaire
Jennifer, Hear, Hear! Extremely well-put and totally right on post, IMHO. I agree it would be stupid for MM to buy Allaire just to throw the assets away. C'mon gang, quit acting like the ship is sinking -- it's just being bought by a new cruise line, and the Captain will have a new Admiral to set his strategic course... Ben -Original Message- From: Jennifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hmmm NO more Allaire At 09:32 AM 1/17/01 -0500, you wrote: Well I will put my two cents in on this subject and then won't say anything else about it. The merger could be a bad thing, it could end up being a good thing, but I won't lose one moment of sleep because I am confident in my ability as a developer to roll with the times. If MM buries CF then I'll learn other languages that don't cost money to get. I'll broaden my horizons more, not that I am not trying to do that now, but we are developers. We shouldn't be held down by one platform or one programming language. CF wasn't going to be around forever, this deal just cemented that fact, so as a community we either roll with the punches or we stop programming. Frankly, all this bad speculation about CF not existing in the future even though it would be a bad business move for Macromedia and that Jeremy Allaire is Macromedia's CTO as part of the deal, shows me how much faith CF developers really have in the product. Speculation like this is what causes a panic and makes people go with other products. If the developers don't have enough faith in the product to say "You know, this product has really done wonders for my business and I think it would be stupid for Macromedia to simply trash it" why would someone else want to use it? Furthermore, why would Macromedia continue with the product if the intended market of regular users is ready to bail on it on a moment's notice? It's good to have other skills and it's good to have something to fall back on regardless of the status of a particular product, but if the whole ColdFusion community goes completely paranoid about this people are going to wonder why. Macromedia is not stupid and they wouldn't buy a company for $360,000,000 (I wish I had that in my accounts) and then throw out most of the company's products-- products that were not even really in competition with their own. So everybody just chill out. This may have some bad consequences but those will probably be small things, not big things like "Let's abandon ColdFusion and Spectra." ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hmmm NO more Allaire
AMEN! Productivity should be our mantra. Speaking of which, these merger threads are killing mine. Russel Russel Madere, Jr. Senior Web Developer ICQ: 5446158 http://www.TurboSquid.com Some days you eat the bear; some days the bear eats you. -Original Message- From: Adrian Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:57 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hmmm NO more Allaire - Original Message - From: "Kevin Schmidt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 3:44 PM I hope they keep some of the branding. somehow Macromedia ColdFusion just doesn't sound as good as Allaire ColdFusion. Oh well Nope - it doesn't. But at the final analysis, we, as developers, should be concerned with but one word: PRODUCTIVITY. Adrian Cooper. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hmmm NO more Allaire
.but about customer service? -Original Message- From: Adrian Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hmmm NO more Allaire - Original Message - From: "Kevin Schmidt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 3:44 PM I hope they keep some of the branding. somehow Macromedia ColdFusion just doesn't sound as good as Allaire ColdFusion. Oh well Nope - it doesn't. But at the final analysis, we, as developers, should be concerned with but one word: PRODUCTIVITY. Adrian Cooper. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hmmm NO more Allaire
Very well put, Jennifer Jennifer wrote: At 09:32 AM 1/17/01 -0500, you wrote: Well I will put my two cents in on this subject and then won't say anything else about it. The merger could be a bad thing, it could end up being a good thing, but I won't lose one moment of sleep because I am confident in my ability as a developer to roll with the times. If MM buries CF then I'll learn other languages that don't cost money to get. I'll broaden my horizons more, not that I am not trying to do that now, but we are developers. We shouldn't be held down by one platform or one programming language. CF wasn't going to be around forever, this deal just cemented that fact, so as a community we either roll with the punches or we stop programming. Frankly, all this bad speculation about CF not existing in the future even though it would be a bad business move for Macromedia and that Jeremy Allaire is Macromedia's CTO as part of the deal, shows me how much faith CF developers really have in the product. Speculation like this is what causes a panic and makes people go with other products. If the developers don't have enough faith in the product to say "You know, this product has really done wonders for my business and I think it would be stupid for Macromedia to simply trash it" why would someone else want to use it? Furthermore, why would Macromedia continue with the product if the intended market of regular users is ready to bail on it on a moment's notice? It's good to have other skills and it's good to have something to fall back on regardless of the status of a particular product, but if the whole ColdFusion community goes completely paranoid about this people are going to wonder why. Macromedia is not stupid and they wouldn't buy a company for $360,000,000 (I wish I had that in my accounts) and then throw out most of the company's products-- products that were not even really in competition with their own. So everybody just chill out. This may have some bad consequences but those will probably be small things, not big things like "Let's abandon ColdFusion and Spectra." ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hmmm NO more Allaire
Just as long as its not Carnival Cruise Lines "Braver, Ben:" wrote: Jennifer, Hear, Hear! Extremely well-put and totally right on post, IMHO. I agree it would be stupid for MM to buy Allaire just to throw the assets away. C'mon gang, quit acting like the ship is sinking -- it's just being bought by a new cruise line, and the Captain will have a new Admiral to set his strategic course... Ben -Original Message- From: Jennifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hmmm NO more Allaire At 09:32 AM 1/17/01 -0500, you wrote: Well I will put my two cents in on this subject and then won't say anything else about it. The merger could be a bad thing, it could end up being a good thing, but I won't lose one moment of sleep because I am confident in my ability as a developer to roll with the times. If MM buries CF then I'll learn other languages that don't cost money to get. I'll broaden my horizons more, not that I am not trying to do that now, but we are developers. We shouldn't be held down by one platform or one programming language. CF wasn't going to be around forever, this deal just cemented that fact, so as a community we either roll with the punches or we stop programming. Frankly, all this bad speculation about CF not existing in the future even though it would be a bad business move for Macromedia and that Jeremy Allaire is Macromedia's CTO as part of the deal, shows me how much faith CF developers really have in the product. Speculation like this is what causes a panic and makes people go with other products. If the developers don't have enough faith in the product to say "You know, this product has really done wonders for my business and I think it would be stupid for Macromedia to simply trash it" why would someone else want to use it? Furthermore, why would Macromedia continue with the product if the intended market of regular users is ready to bail on it on a moment's notice? It's good to have other skills and it's good to have something to fall back on regardless of the status of a particular product, but if the whole ColdFusion community goes completely paranoid about this people are going to wonder why. Macromedia is not stupid and they wouldn't buy a company for $360,000,000 (I wish I had that in my accounts) and then throw out most of the company's products-- products that were not even really in competition with their own. So everybody just chill out. This may have some bad consequences but those will probably be small things, not big things like "Let's abandon ColdFusion and Spectra." ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hmmm NO more Allaire
At 05:54 AM 1/17/01 Michael wrote: This could be bad, but then again 2 great companies, with great products, could be disaster, then again it could be great, ... As partners with both companies, we are very excited about this mix. I think we're going to see a really great tool set coming out. We were already coding for CF/Flash combinations on web pages, Ya think Microsoft is sweating just a litlle bit? I doubt it. We're just little knats to them. Judith ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
