RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Hi Rick, SPF records belong in the DNS for the domain of the mail server for the domain it is working for. For example, I run simple DNS, the procedure is to add a TXT record for the relevant domain such as: v=spf1 ip4:66.98.154.84 mx mx:84.43.72.133 ~all This SPF shows I am running Version 1 of SPF, that my mail goes out through 66.98.154.84 and that mail comes in through 84.43.72.133. The reason for this config is that my ISP can't/won't (read bunch of bozos) set up reverse dns for me. So I found an outbound SMTP service that was able to configure reverse dns for the mail server. So, to clarify your objective: you need mail you generate on behalf of client domains to get to the recipients. For SPF you need to ask your clients to add your mail server to their DNS SPF record as an outbound server. For Reverse DNS the IP of the outbound mail server needs to have an IP record pointing back to the domain. This can only be done by the owner of the IP address. In my case Onetel, my ISP, owns the IP address and there is nothing I can do to configure the reverse DNS on the IP address I borrow from them - that's down to them to do. The only reliable way to guarantee mail you generate from CF is going to get to recipients is to ask your clients to set up authenticated SMTP sessions. This makes the mail delivery their responsibility, as it should be - their internal IT guys should be onto this. (My background includes 20 years in IT Management, infrastructure, et al.) cfmail type =html from =[EMAIL PROTECTED] to = [EMAIL PROTECTED] server=mail.fasttrackonline.co.uk username=[EMAIL PROTECTED] password=mypassword subject=FAST TRACK - CONTACT US This example of the CFmail tag shows how the mail is pointed at a server with authenticated SMTP. When configuring mail server applications many have the option to ask for an authenticated POP session prior to allowing SMTP which is how most get around requiring full SMTP authentication. However, in your instance there will be no POP session so it has to be full authentication. If you take the route of adding other domains to your mail server they will not have a valid reverse dns pointer and the mail will bounce from many receiving mail servers. If you ask clients only to whitelist mail sesssions from your domain when receiving their email the email will still be seen to have originated on your mail server. If you are dealing with clients who do not host their own mail servers then it is the responsibility of who ever does host it to get this set up properly. If they are hosting a mail server with a provider who does not configure reverse DNS and SPF it's time they changed! Don't get confused with the reverse DNS record for the domain DNS server. Hope this helps, Jenny -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 January 2006 01:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Thanks for the input and advice, Jenny... I'm trying to get all this sorted out, but unfortunately, it seems I'm only able to take baby steps at any one time. One thing I can't sort out is where the SPF and reverse-DNS stuff should go...my ISP, whose domain is tagged onto the end of my static IP according to records, or GoDaddy.com where I manually handle my DNS, MX, TXT, and SPF records or on my own server, which I don't use to handle any of this...it pretty confusing. I guess it would be GoDaddy, since through their interface I can setup DSN, MX, TXT, and SPF records... I think I need to hire the head IT guy I spoke with a while back over at an International company and just get him to look at my exact situation and tell me how to handle it... Rick -Original Message- From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi Rick, This would mean the mails will be originating from a server that isn't included in the domain spf records and it will get scored as spam by the receiving server. Naturally, the reverse dns for the domain won't match up to the sending server and you will find mail is rejected by some servers. Keep an eye on your bounces and run lots of tests to various domains to see your emails are getting out. As mentioned before, we send out some 8000 emails a week to our dating site members and I'm all too aware of the problems spf and reverse dns cause - although I have to say I'm totally in favour of it as it's anto spam. It just makes it very hard sometimes when we are trying to run on a shoe string. Best of luck, Jenny -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 January 2006 20:43 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi, Jenny... I found a solution by using ArgoSoft's Email Server Plus, which works with
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Hi, Jenny...that does bring some clarification. I think the fact that there are so many flash points in this process is what causes confusion over where to go to set up things...as in, who has responsibility for what. I know of only one client who runs their own mail server that I could ask to set me up in thier SPF...and I doubt that guy even knows what that is... The rest are very small businesses who just use the POP3 accounts provided by our local ISP. Sounds like I need to do some talking to my business rep with our local ISP and the techs there to see about reverse DNS. Is it possible that, for those clients who send and receive mail from the ISP's mail servers, the ISP could add me to their SPF? Also, why would GoDaddy.com, my registrar, provide a place for me to place SPF files for my domain through their interface if it's not the correct place for them to be located? Is that only for me if I use their POP3 / SMTP accounts on their mail servers? I'm sure you can appreciate how confusing this is. I've contacted GoDaddy about this, but I think all I got back was a virtual blank stare. There perspective is probably that they offer this direct DNS access, but don't have any plans to have to hold the hand of clients to use it. It's just an additional feature for those who know how already... Too many players...client and their mail servers if they have them... local ISP, my mail server, my local ISP, my registrar...all who potentially have to be dealt with at some level to get this all working. :oP I've even given thought at times of giving up on running my own mail servers because of the complexity I'm running into as we try to control spam. However, I run the risk of sending too much mail through an outside company's mail servers and having my clients newsletters, etc., not delivered. That's what prompted me to run a mail server in the first place...my local ISP had a cap of 600 emails per day...and I was going over that almost every day. Thanks again for the help and advice... Rick -Original Message- From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 5:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi Rick, SPF records belong in the DNS for the domain of the mail server for the domain it is working for. For example, I run simple DNS, the procedure is to add a TXT record for the relevant domain such as: v=spf1 ip4:66.98.154.84 mx mx:84.43.72.133 ~all This SPF shows I am running Version 1 of SPF, that my mail goes out through 66.98.154.84 and that mail comes in through 84.43.72.133. The reason for this config is that my ISP can't/won't (read bunch of bozos) set up reverse dns for me. So I found an outbound SMTP service that was able to configure reverse dns for the mail server. So, to clarify your objective: you need mail you generate on behalf of client domains to get to the recipients. For SPF you need to ask your clients to add your mail server to their DNS SPF record as an outbound server. For Reverse DNS the IP of the outbound mail server needs to have an IP record pointing back to the domain. This can only be done by the owner of the IP address. In my case Onetel, my ISP, owns the IP address and there is nothing I can do to configure the reverse DNS on the IP address I borrow from them - that's down to them to do. The only reliable way to guarantee mail you generate from CF is going to get to recipients is to ask your clients to set up authenticated SMTP sessions. This makes the mail delivery their responsibility, as it should be - their internal IT guys should be onto this. (My background includes 20 years in IT Management, infrastructure, et al.) cfmail type =html from =[EMAIL PROTECTED] to = [EMAIL PROTECTED] server=mail.fasttrackonline.co.uk username=[EMAIL PROTECTED] password=mypassword subject=FAST TRACK - CONTACT US This example of the CFmail tag shows how the mail is pointed at a server with authenticated SMTP. When configuring mail server applications many have the option to ask for an authenticated POP session prior to allowing SMTP which is how most get around requiring full SMTP authentication. However, in your instance there will be no POP session so it has to be full authentication. If you take the route of adding other domains to your mail server they will not have a valid reverse dns pointer and the mail will bounce from many receiving mail servers. If you ask clients only to whitelist mail sesssions from your domain when receiving their email the email will still be seen to have originated on your mail server. If you are dealing with clients who do not host their own mail servers then it is the responsibility of who ever does host it to get this set up properly. If they are hosting a mail server with a provider who does not configure reverse DNS and SPF it's time they changed! Don't get
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
Rick, It's called trusted IP - same thing though... -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. add the ip of your cf server to the whitelist Hmmm...don't see a whitelist anywhere in the ArgoSoft Server. -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. The only thing u need to do on normal mail servers is add the ip of your cf server to the whitelist and allow relay for it. Then you should be able to send email from any domain you wish... -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ... Like send email newsletters through their websites, using their email address as the From address, instead of mine... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. I'm confused about what you mean by sending email from your clients' domains. But in any case, you should be able to configure your mail server to only allow relays from specific IP addresses, or require authorization to relay. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228449 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Hopefully, this issue is behind me...I've got coding to do! hahahahaha sorry for laughing. This issue will cause you pain continually for as long as you manage the mail server. SPF is going to make it even harder. Some downstream domains will reject your mail because it fails SPF rules - AOL for example. If I were you I would expect a continual running battle. Find a good therapist and hunker down. Now if you will excuse me, I have to talk to a man from Nigeria about some money :) -mk ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228450 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
Are you referring to the web/CFserver's IP address? It would be an internal network address, right? Actually, the mail server is running on the same server as the web/CF server for right now. I don't send out a lot of mail at this point. But I plan to change the mail server over to the FTP server at some point. Since they're all on the same server, would the IP of the machine still need to be in the whilelist... (I think that's what you mean...) Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. Where would I do that in my web server (IIS) or CF server? Why wouldn't it be in the mail server? It would be in the mail server. Within your mail server configuration, you need to allow relays from your web/CF server. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228504 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
Hi, Mark... The only place I see where I can enter anything like, IP's, domains, whitelist entries, etc., is in a dialogue field called Local Domains...I can find anything to do with Trusted IP's, etc., in ArgoSoft's admin dialogues. Rick -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. Rick, It's called trusted IP - same thing though... -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. add the ip of your cf server to the whitelist Hmmm...don't see a whitelist anywhere in the ArgoSoft Server. -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. The only thing u need to do on normal mail servers is add the ip of your cf server to the whitelist and allow relay for it. Then you should be able to send email from any domain you wish... -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ... Like send email newsletters through their websites, using their email address as the From address, instead of mine... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. I'm confused about what you mean by sending email from your clients' domains. But in any case, you should be able to configure your mail server to only allow relays from specific IP addresses, or require authorization to relay. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228508 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
Are you referring to the web/CFserver's IP address? It would be an internal network address, right? Actually, the mail server is running on the same server as the web/CF server for right now. I don't send out a lot of mail at this point. But I plan to change the mail server over to the FTP server at some point. Since they're all on the same server, would the IP of the machine still need to be in the whilelist... (I think that's what you mean...) If you're sending mail from CF to your mail server on the same machine, you will need to allow CF to connect to it via the localhost address (127.0.0.1). If that's all you're doing with the mail server, you don't need to allow connections from any other machine. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228511 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Don't bother with the man from Nigeria, he's already sending it to me! ;o) PS - SPF will be next issue I tackle...but at least I'm off the only blacklist I found my IP on! Progress! Rick -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hopefully, this issue is behind me...I've got coding to do! hahahahaha sorry for laughing. This issue will cause you pain continually for as long as you manage the mail server. SPF is going to make it even harder. Some downstream domains will reject your mail because it fails SPF rules - AOL for example. If I were you I would expect a continual running battle. Find a good therapist and hunker down. Now if you will excuse me, I have to talk to a man from Nigeria about some money :) -mk ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228513 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
Rick, Under anti-spam there's a menu chance called IP based Filtering. -Mark -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. Hi, Mark... The only place I see where I can enter anything like, IP's, domains, whitelist entries, etc., is in a dialogue field called Local Domains...I can find anything to do with Trusted IP's, etc., in ArgoSoft's admin dialogues. Rick -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. Rick, It's called trusted IP - same thing though... -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. add the ip of your cf server to the whitelist Hmmm...don't see a whitelist anywhere in the ArgoSoft Server. -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. The only thing u need to do on normal mail servers is add the ip of your cf server to the whitelist and allow relay for it. Then you should be able to send email from any domain you wish... -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ... Like send email newsletters through their websites, using their email address as the From address, instead of mine... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. I'm confused about what you mean by sending email from your clients' domains. But in any case, you should be able to configure your mail server to only allow relays from specific IP addresses, or require authorization to relay. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228515 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
The mail server is also providing POP accounts for myself and family. Other than that it's just mail that is sent from CF... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. Are you referring to the web/CFserver's IP address? It would be an internal network address, right? Actually, the mail server is running on the same server as the web/CF server for right now. I don't send out a lot of mail at this point. But I plan to change the mail server over to the FTP server at some point. Since they're all on the same server, would the IP of the machine still need to be in the whilelist... (I think that's what you mean...) If you're sending mail from CF to your mail server on the same machine, you will need to allow CF to connect to it via the localhost address (127.0.0.1). If that's all you're doing with the mail server, you don't need to allow connections from any other machine. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228518 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
Sorry, Mark...still can't find that in the options dialogue... Is that perhaps the Pro verison you referring to? Rick -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. Rick, Under anti-spam there's a menu chance called IP based Filtering. -Mark -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. Hi, Mark... The only place I see where I can enter anything like, IP's, domains, whitelist entries, etc., is in a dialogue field called Local Domains...I can find anything to do with Trusted IP's, etc., in ArgoSoft's admin dialogues. Rick -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. Rick, It's called trusted IP - same thing though... -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. add the ip of your cf server to the whitelist Hmmm...don't see a whitelist anywhere in the ArgoSoft Server. -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. The only thing u need to do on normal mail servers is add the ip of your cf server to the whitelist and allow relay for it. Then you should be able to send email from any domain you wish... -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ... Like send email newsletters through their websites, using their email address as the From address, instead of mine... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. I'm confused about what you mean by sending email from your clients' domains. But in any case, you should be able to configure your mail server to only allow relays from specific IP addresses, or require authorization to relay. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228521 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
The only place I see where I can enter anything like, IP's, domains, whitelist entries, etc., is in a dialogue field called Local Domains...I can find anything to do with Trusted IP's, etc., in ArgoSoft's admin dialogues. Rick Yes Rickthat should be the spot. Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228522 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
Ok...now that that's cleared up...question...should I enter the public IP or the internal IP of the mail server? Rick -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. The only place I see where I can enter anything like, IP's, domains, whitelist entries, etc., is in a dialogue field called Local Domains...I can find anything to do with Trusted IP's, etc., in ArgoSoft's admin dialogues. Rick Yes Rickthat should be the spot. Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228530 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Hi Rick, That's not what I suggested, I said that's one way to do it and it's definitely not recommended. If you ask your client to set up authenticated access to their server that is not open relay and it will fix your problem. The cfmail tag allows you to specify the server and user/password for authentication. Hope that helps, Jenny -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2006 20:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi, guys and gals I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. This is getting me blacklisted... It's been suggested that the only thing I can do is setup an SPF and get the IP and domain for every client I have and put it in the SPF. Is this the best way to handle this? Thanks, Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228545 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Hi, Jenny... I found a solution by using ArgoSoft's Email Server Plus, which works with multiple domains. I just had to enter the domains for which I would relay mail and that solved the problem. It would have been a lot of trouble to ask the admins of the servers to setup authentication...just easier if I could handle it in-house. Also, some of my client's don't have mail servers, so I would have to have a solution for them, as welland this works for everyone. I appreciate your help...so far things are looking good, except for the stragne occurence of getting an email in my inbox that my wife sent to someone else through the mail server. I'm getting some repetitious emails when I do a group mailing through Outlook, too. Not big problems, but I hope get *everything* running smoothly so I can turn my attention back to the websites that need building! Thanks, again... Rick -Original Message- From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi Rick, That's not what I suggested, I said that's one way to do it and it's definitely not recommended. If you ask your client to set up authenticated access to their server that is not open relay and it will fix your problem. The cfmail tag allows you to specify the server and user/password for authentication. Hope that helps, Jenny -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2006 20:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi, guys and gals I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. This is getting me blacklisted... It's been suggested that the only thing I can do is setup an SPF and get the IP and domain for every client I have and put it in the SPF. Is this the best way to handle this? Thanks, Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228551 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Hi Rick, This would mean the mails will be originating from a server that isn't included in the domain spf records and it will get scored as spam by the receiving server. Naturally, the reverse dns for the domain won't match up to the sending server and you will find mail is rejected by some servers. Keep an eye on your bounces and run lots of tests to various domains to see your emails are getting out. As mentioned before, we send out some 8000 emails a week to our dating site members and I'm all too aware of the problems spf and reverse dns cause - although I have to say I'm totally in favour of it as it's anto spam. It just makes it very hard sometimes when we are trying to run on a shoe string. Best of luck, Jenny -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 January 2006 20:43 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi, Jenny... I found a solution by using ArgoSoft's Email Server Plus, which works with multiple domains. I just had to enter the domains for which I would relay mail and that solved the problem. It would have been a lot of trouble to ask the admins of the servers to setup authentication...just easier if I could handle it in-house. Also, some of my client's don't have mail servers, so I would have to have a solution for them, as welland this works for everyone. I appreciate your help...so far things are looking good, except for the stragne occurence of getting an email in my inbox that my wife sent to someone else through the mail server. I'm getting some repetitious emails when I do a group mailing through Outlook, too. Not big problems, but I hope get *everything* running smoothly so I can turn my attention back to the websites that need building! Thanks, again... Rick -Original Message- From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi Rick, That's not what I suggested, I said that's one way to do it and it's definitely not recommended. If you ask your client to set up authenticated access to their server that is not open relay and it will fix your problem. The cfmail tag allows you to specify the server and user/password for authentication. Hope that helps, Jenny -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2006 20:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi, guys and gals I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. This is getting me blacklisted... It's been suggested that the only thing I can do is setup an SPF and get the IP and domain for every client I have and put it in the SPF. Is this the best way to handle this? Thanks, Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228588 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Thanks for the input and advice, Jenny... I'm trying to get all this sorted out, but unfortunately, it seems I'm only able to take baby steps at any one time. One thing I can't sort out is where the SPF and reverse-DNS stuff should go...my ISP, whose domain is tagged onto the end of my static IP according to records, or GoDaddy.com where I manually handle my DNS, MX, TXT, and SPF records or on my own server, which I don't use to handle any of this...it pretty confusing. I guess it would be GoDaddy, since through their interface I can setup DSN, MX, TXT, and SPF records... I think I need to hire the head IT guy I spoke with a while back over at an International company and just get him to look at my exact situation and tell me how to handle it... Rick -Original Message- From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi Rick, This would mean the mails will be originating from a server that isn't included in the domain spf records and it will get scored as spam by the receiving server. Naturally, the reverse dns for the domain won't match up to the sending server and you will find mail is rejected by some servers. Keep an eye on your bounces and run lots of tests to various domains to see your emails are getting out. As mentioned before, we send out some 8000 emails a week to our dating site members and I'm all too aware of the problems spf and reverse dns cause - although I have to say I'm totally in favour of it as it's anto spam. It just makes it very hard sometimes when we are trying to run on a shoe string. Best of luck, Jenny -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 January 2006 20:43 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi, Jenny... I found a solution by using ArgoSoft's Email Server Plus, which works with multiple domains. I just had to enter the domains for which I would relay mail and that solved the problem. It would have been a lot of trouble to ask the admins of the servers to setup authentication...just easier if I could handle it in-house. Also, some of my client's don't have mail servers, so I would have to have a solution for them, as welland this works for everyone. I appreciate your help...so far things are looking good, except for the stragne occurence of getting an email in my inbox that my wife sent to someone else through the mail server. I'm getting some repetitious emails when I do a group mailing through Outlook, too. Not big problems, but I hope get *everything* running smoothly so I can turn my attention back to the websites that need building! Thanks, again... Rick -Original Message- From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi Rick, That's not what I suggested, I said that's one way to do it and it's definitely not recommended. If you ask your client to set up authenticated access to their server that is not open relay and it will fix your problem. The cfmail tag allows you to specify the server and user/password for authentication. Hope that helps, Jenny -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2006 20:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi, guys and gals I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. This is getting me blacklisted... It's been suggested that the only thing I can do is setup an SPF and get the IP and domain for every client I have and put it in the SPF. Is this the best way to handle this? Thanks, Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228602 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
Where would I do that in my web server (IIS) or CF server? Why wouldn't it be in the mail server? It would be in the mail server. Within your mail server configuration, you need to allow relays from your web/CF server. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228428 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Why do you setup as an open relay? Just put some validaiton in place? If that is not an option, you can create mailing subdomain for each domain on your mail server. Ie. Mail.ClientName.com -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi, guys and gals I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. This is getting me blacklisted... It's been suggested that the only thing I can do is setup an SPF and get the IP and domain for every client I have and put it in the SPF. Is this the best way to handle this? Thanks, Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228375 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. I'm confused about what you mean by sending email from your clients' domains. But in any case, you should be able to configure your mail server to only allow relays from specific IP addresses, or require authorization to relay. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228376 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Here are 2 ideas, 1) Try making smartermail whitelist the IP of your CF server, then shut off relaying 2) Make an acct on your smartermail server, and set up your CF server's mail setting to use the SMTP server user%domain.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dov -Original Message- From: Kristopher Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Why do you setup as an open relay? Just put some validaiton in place? If that is not an option, you can create mailing subdomain for each domain on your mail server. Ie. Mail.ClientName.com -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi, guys and gals I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. This is getting me blacklisted... It's been suggested that the only thing I can do is setup an SPF and get the IP and domain for every client I have and put it in the SPF. Is this the best way to handle this? Thanks, Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228377 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
I know ya dropped ArgoSoft...but it simply stored a list of domains that could relay...very simple ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228378 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
ArgoSoft is still installed...and I did get it working (as in solved the problem I was having reaching the web interface). And I did purchase the $49 edition, which supports multiple domains. But what you're saying is that ArgoSoft, which supports multiple domains, wouldn't have a problem with sending emails using my client's domain names as does SmarterMail (free version), which is for a single domain only? Just by listing my client's domains in the appropriate place in ArgoSoft? Rick -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... I know ya dropped ArgoSoft...but it simply stored a list of domains that could relay...very simple ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228380 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Yep...that's what I'm saying...you are whitelisting those domains to allow them to relayand as alternately stated alreadyyou could setup SMTP authentication instead of just whitelisting them. I've been through the same blacklisting issues when accidentally running an open relay...then I found ArgoSoft and my problems went away (well after jumping through the Orbs process of flaming hoops to get re-tested)..so I feel your pain ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228382 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Rick You can send from your domain using on-behalf of in the header to handle returns. See this blog post: http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=29A89FC8-DB83-5548- 04575985DBF0A47F -mark -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi, guys and gals I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. This is getting me blacklisted... It's been suggested that the only thing I can do is setup an SPF and get the IP and domain for every client I have and put it in the SPF. Is this the best way to handle this? Thanks, Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228389 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Sorry... that was supposed to go on THIS thread Rick You can send from your domain using on-behalf of in the header to handle returns. See this blog post: http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com/index.cfm?mode=aliasalias=cfmail.msoutlook -mark -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Hi, guys and gals I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. This is getting me blacklisted... It's been suggested that the only thing I can do is setup an SPF and get the IP and domain for every client I have and put it in the SPF. Is this the best way to handle this? Thanks, Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228390 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Thanks everyone, for the suggestions... I went back and had another round with ArgoSoft and tried Bryan's suggestions and, so far, it seems to be working like a charm. I just listed all the domains which might use my mail server to send email to their database distribution lists in the Local Domain area of the admin settings and that mail is being received... One thing I noticed...when I enabled ArgoSoft without Relay Allowed and no SMTP Authorization, the on-screen log output was going crazy with what seemed to be people trying to send (probably successfully) unauthorized mail through the server. It was going by so fast I couldn't read it. Once I turned on Relay Allowed, but required SMTP Authorization (except for mail originating from my IP), the unwanted relaying ground to a halt. I couldn't believe the relaying began happening so fast! Must be some automated program that searches for open relays not requiring authorization, and, if it finds one, begins to use it immediately. I glanced at the server monitor and, boy...they're sure trying to relay, but being rejected. But out internal mail is coming through and I'm receiving email from my clients' domains! Thanks for the help! Rick -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 4:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Yep...that's what I'm saying...you are whitelisting those domains to allow them to relayand as alternately stated alreadyyou could setup SMTP authentication instead of just whitelisting them. I've been through the same blacklisting issues when accidentally running an open relay...then I found ArgoSoft and my problems went away (well after jumping through the Orbs process of flaming hoops to get re-tested)..so I feel your pain ;-) Cheers ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228398 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay...
Glad ya got it workingand wowI had relaying on mine toobut not the vloume you seem to be having (of course this was about 3 years ago). Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228399 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I think the automated spamming programs have probably gotten better and quicker in the last 3 years... Hopefully, this issue is behind me...I've got coding to do! Rick -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay... Glad ya got it workingand wowI had relaying on mine toobut not the vloume you seem to be having (of course this was about 3 years ago). Cheers ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228400 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
Like send email newsletters through their websites, using their email address as the From address, instead of mine... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. I'm confused about what you mean by sending email from your clients' domains. But in any case, you should be able to configure your mail server to only allow relays from specific IP addresses, or require authorization to relay. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228402 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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The only thing u need to do on normal mail servers is add the ip of your cf server to the whitelist and allow relay for it. Then you should be able to send email from any domain you wish... -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ... Like send email newsletters through their websites, using their email address as the From address, instead of mine... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. I'm confused about what you mean by sending email from your clients' domains. But in any case, you should be able to configure your mail server to only allow relays from specific IP addresses, or require authorization to relay. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228403 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
Like send email newsletters through their websites, using their email address as the From address, instead of mine... To do this, you need to allow relays only from their web/CF servers (assuming you're using CF to send the mail). Again, the From address isn't important. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228405 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
With ArgoSoft Server, all I had to do was add the domains from which email is sent and there's no problem... you need to allow relays only from their web/CF servers I don't understand what you mean...their web/CF servers? I run the server (CF and hardware) here with multiple websites. And, yes, I'm using CF to send the email... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. Like send email newsletters through their websites, using their email address as the From address, instead of mine... To do this, you need to allow relays only from their web/CF servers (assuming you're using CF to send the mail). Again, the From address isn't important. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228412 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
add the ip of your cf server to the whitelist Hmmm...don't see a whitelist anywhere in the ArgoSoft Server. -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. The only thing u need to do on normal mail servers is add the ip of your cf server to the whitelist and allow relay for it. Then you should be able to send email from any domain you wish... -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ... Like send email newsletters through their websites, using their email address as the From address, instead of mine... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. I'm running into issues trying to send email generated by CF through my mail server, SmarterMail (Free Edition). It's working fine, except that to send email from my clients' domains, I've had to setup everything so that I'm an open relay. I'm confused about what you mean by sending email from your clients' domains. But in any case, you should be able to configure your mail server to only allow relays from specific IP addresses, or require authorization to relay. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228413 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
I don't understand what you mean...their web/CF servers? I run the server (CF and hardware) here with multiple websites. And, yes, I'm using CF to send the email... In that case, you only have to allow relays from your web/CF server. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228416 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
you only have to allow relays from your web/CF server. Where would I do that in my web server (IIS) or CF server? Why wouldn't it be in the mail server? -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. .. I don't understand what you mean...their web/CF servers? I run the server (CF and hardware) here with multiple websites. And, yes, I'm using CF to send the email... In that case, you only have to allow relays from your web/CF server. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228420 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: How to send email using CF for clients without an open relay. ..
add the ip of your cf server to the whitelist Hmmm...don't see a whitelist anywhere in the ArgoSoft Server. same place you put the domains to allow them...just put your server IP there if memory serves Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:228421 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
