RE: Memory problems

2002-05-30 Thread Andre Turrettini

cfinsert and cfupdate can screw memory up in a hurry too! DRE

-Original Message-
From: David Hannum (Ohio University) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Memory problems


The point I was making was not in defense of Access.  I know Owen and what
he's doing.  My point was that I don't think his files are nearly as big as
Michaels archives, so I don't think file size is the problem.  The drivers
may be.  The install may be hosed as well.  I agree - I'd get out of Access
ASAP too, but until he can, there are other things he can try.

Dave


- Original Message -
From: "Rob Baxter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:38 PM
Subject: RE: Memory problems


> Well, why do you think he's moving the list archive out of Access?
>
> Up to a certain amount of traffic/data MS Access is a decent solution.
After
> that it's a 'disaster waiting to happen' to quote Michael himself.
>
> I'd definetely begin considering other alternatives, ASAP.
>
> 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Hannum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:09 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Memory problems
>
>
> Owen,
>
> I doubt that the size of your files is the problem.  Michael D. runs the
> CF-talk list with an Access database (or did until just recently).  Have
you
> got the latest MS Jet drivers?  Access 2000 is much more stout than 97.
> Perhaps the latest ODBC drivers would be a quick short term fix.
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Owen Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Memory problems
>
>
> So, the consensus is Access is the problem!  I wonder if the memory
problems
> have gotten worse in the past couple of months because of the growing size
> of the database?
>
> > I think in the cfusion\bin directory there is a batch file provided that
> > sets up your scheduler to restart cf services at 2am (or so).
>
> So running Cycle.bat sets up the scheduler?  Or do I need to schedule
> Cycle.bat to be run?
>
> I guess conversion to MySQL is now on the top of the pile after vacation.
>
> -- Owen
>
> 
> > We've been having problems lately with our server running out of memory.
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread David Hannum \(Ohio University\)

The point I was making was not in defense of Access.  I know Owen and what
he's doing.  My point was that I don't think his files are nearly as big as
Michaels archives, so I don't think file size is the problem.  The drivers
may be.  The install may be hosed as well.  I agree - I'd get out of Access
ASAP too, but until he can, there are other things he can try.

Dave


- Original Message -
From: "Rob Baxter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:38 PM
Subject: RE: Memory problems


> Well, why do you think he's moving the list archive out of Access?
>
> Up to a certain amount of traffic/data MS Access is a decent solution.
After
> that it's a 'disaster waiting to happen' to quote Michael himself.
>
> I'd definetely begin considering other alternatives, ASAP.
>
> 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Hannum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:09 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Memory problems
>
>
> Owen,
>
> I doubt that the size of your files is the problem.  Michael D. runs the
> CF-talk list with an Access database (or did until just recently).  Have
you
> got the latest MS Jet drivers?  Access 2000 is much more stout than 97.
> Perhaps the latest ODBC drivers would be a quick short term fix.
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Owen Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Memory problems
>
>
> So, the consensus is Access is the problem!  I wonder if the memory
problems
> have gotten worse in the past couple of months because of the growing size
> of the database?
>
> > I think in the cfusion\bin directory there is a batch file provided that
> > sets up your scheduler to restart cf services at 2am (or so).
>
> So running Cycle.bat sets up the scheduler?  Or do I need to schedule
> Cycle.bat to be run?
>
> I guess conversion to MySQL is now on the top of the pile after vacation.
>
> -- Owen
>
> 
> > We've been having problems lately with our server running out of memory.
>
>
>
>
> 
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RE: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread Timothy Heald

That's what did us in too.  They wanted a cool million to move our stuff
over.  We originally were running almost everything in Netscape LDAP and
access, looked at both and SQL Server was the winner by many many dollars :)

Tim Heald
ACP/CCFD :)
Application Development
www.schoollink.net

> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:05 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Memory problems
>
>
> LOL...
>
> I agree.  SQL server is one of the MS products I do like, which
> is not that
> many to begin with.
>
> We were going to jump from access to oracle.  The price tag made
> us change
> our minds.
>
> At 05:01 PM 5/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >hehe:
> >
> > >I can sleep at nights with worry.
> >
> >Yeah I feel that way when I see MS on the cover too :) J/K I love SQL
> >Server, wouldn't know what to do without it.
> >
> >Tim Heald
> >ACP/CCFD :)
> >Application Development
> >www.schoollink.net
> >
> > > -----Original Message-
> > > From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 4:57 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Memory problems
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree.  We had Access for our database and had nothing but
> > > problems with
> > > memory leaks.  Had to reset the cold fusion service at least 4 to
> > > 6 times a
> > > day.
> > >
> > > Moved to SQL 7.0.  What a different.  Less headaches and resets.
> > > Went from
> > > 6 resets a day to maybe one every other week.  Now with Windows
> > > 2000, CF 5,
> > > and SQL 2000.  I can sleep at nights with worry.
> > >
> > > Sometime it is so quiet that I have to go to the server just
> to make sure
> > > it is still going.  And it is.
> > >
> > > At 02:42 PM 5/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >So, the consensus is Access is the problem!  I wonder if the
> > > memory problems
> > > >have gotten worse in the past couple of months because of the
> > > growing size
> > > >of the database?
> > > >
> > > > > I think in the cfusion\bin directory there is a batch file
> > > provided that
> > > > > sets up your scheduler to restart cf services at 2am (or so).
> > > >
> > > >So running Cycle.bat sets up the scheduler?  Or do I need to schedule
> > > >Cycle.bat to be run?
> > > >
> > > >I guess conversion to MySQL is now on the top of the pile
> after vacation.
> > > >
> > > > -- Owen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > We've been having problems lately with our server running out
> > > of memory.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
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RE: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread Jacob

LOL...

I agree.  SQL server is one of the MS products I do like, which is not that 
many to begin with.

We were going to jump from access to oracle.  The price tag made us change 
our minds.

At 05:01 PM 5/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>hehe:
>
> >I can sleep at nights with worry.
>
>Yeah I feel that way when I see MS on the cover too :) J/K I love SQL
>Server, wouldn't know what to do without it.
>
>Tim Heald
>ACP/CCFD :)
>Application Development
>www.schoollink.net
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 4:57 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Memory problems
> >
> >
> > I agree.  We had Access for our database and had nothing but
> > problems with
> > memory leaks.  Had to reset the cold fusion service at least 4 to
> > 6 times a
> > day.
> >
> > Moved to SQL 7.0.  What a different.  Less headaches and resets.
> > Went from
> > 6 resets a day to maybe one every other week.  Now with Windows
> > 2000, CF 5,
> > and SQL 2000.  I can sleep at nights with worry.
> >
> > Sometime it is so quiet that I have to go to the server just to make sure
> > it is still going.  And it is.
> >
> > At 02:42 PM 5/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >So, the consensus is Access is the problem!  I wonder if the
> > memory problems
> > >have gotten worse in the past couple of months because of the
> > growing size
> > >of the database?
> > >
> > > > I think in the cfusion\bin directory there is a batch file
> > provided that
> > > > sets up your scheduler to restart cf services at 2am (or so).
> > >
> > >So running Cycle.bat sets up the scheduler?  Or do I need to schedule
> > >Cycle.bat to be run?
> > >
> > >I guess conversion to MySQL is now on the top of the pile after vacation.
> > >
> > > -- Owen
> > >
> > >
> > > > We've been having problems lately with our server running out
> > of memory.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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RE: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread Timothy Heald

hehe:

>I can sleep at nights with worry.

Yeah I feel that way when I see MS on the cover too :) J/K I love SQL
Server, wouldn't know what to do without it.

Tim Heald
ACP/CCFD :)
Application Development
www.schoollink.net

> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 4:57 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Memory problems
>
>
> I agree.  We had Access for our database and had nothing but
> problems with
> memory leaks.  Had to reset the cold fusion service at least 4 to
> 6 times a
> day.
>
> Moved to SQL 7.0.  What a different.  Less headaches and resets.
> Went from
> 6 resets a day to maybe one every other week.  Now with Windows
> 2000, CF 5,
> and SQL 2000.  I can sleep at nights with worry.
>
> Sometime it is so quiet that I have to go to the server just to make sure
> it is still going.  And it is.
>
> At 02:42 PM 5/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >So, the consensus is Access is the problem!  I wonder if the
> memory problems
> >have gotten worse in the past couple of months because of the
> growing size
> >of the database?
> >
> > > I think in the cfusion\bin directory there is a batch file
> provided that
> > > sets up your scheduler to restart cf services at 2am (or so).
> >
> >So running Cycle.bat sets up the scheduler?  Or do I need to schedule
> >Cycle.bat to be run?
> >
> >I guess conversion to MySQL is now on the top of the pile after vacation.
> >
> > -- Owen
> >
> >
> > > We've been having problems lately with our server running out
> of memory.
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread Jacob

I agree.  We had Access for our database and had nothing but problems with 
memory leaks.  Had to reset the cold fusion service at least 4 to 6 times a 
day.

Moved to SQL 7.0.  What a different.  Less headaches and resets.  Went from 
6 resets a day to maybe one every other week.  Now with Windows 2000, CF 5, 
and SQL 2000.  I can sleep at nights with worry.

Sometime it is so quiet that I have to go to the server just to make sure 
it is still going.  And it is.

At 02:42 PM 5/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>So, the consensus is Access is the problem!  I wonder if the memory problems
>have gotten worse in the past couple of months because of the growing size
>of the database?
>
> > I think in the cfusion\bin directory there is a batch file provided that
> > sets up your scheduler to restart cf services at 2am (or so).
>
>So running Cycle.bat sets up the scheduler?  Or do I need to schedule
>Cycle.bat to be run?
>
>I guess conversion to MySQL is now on the top of the pile after vacation.
>
> -- Owen
>
>
> > We've been having problems lately with our server running out of memory.
>
>
>
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RE: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread Rob Baxter

Well, why do you think he's moving the list archive out of Access?

Up to a certain amount of traffic/data MS Access is a decent solution. After
that it's a 'disaster waiting to happen' to quote Michael himself.

I'd definetely begin considering other alternatives, ASAP.



-Original Message-
From: Dave Hannum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Memory problems


Owen,

I doubt that the size of your files is the problem.  Michael D. runs the
CF-talk list with an Access database (or did until just recently).  Have you
got the latest MS Jet drivers?  Access 2000 is much more stout than 97.
Perhaps the latest ODBC drivers would be a quick short term fix.

Dave


- Original Message -
From: "Owen Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Memory problems


So, the consensus is Access is the problem!  I wonder if the memory problems
have gotten worse in the past couple of months because of the growing size
of the database?

> I think in the cfusion\bin directory there is a batch file provided that
> sets up your scheduler to restart cf services at 2am (or so).

So running Cycle.bat sets up the scheduler?  Or do I need to schedule
Cycle.bat to be run?

I guess conversion to MySQL is now on the top of the pile after vacation.

-- Owen


> We've been having problems lately with our server running out of memory.




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Re: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread Owen Leonard

> 1) How big are you access dbs? After a couple million records access tends
> to go belly up...

The biggest offender is 20 MB, with over 200 tables.  Is that "a couple
million records" across all tables?

> 2) are you using connection pooling? Access memory leaks will kill you if
> you have the "maintain db connectoins" box checked in the ODBC
administrator

That's unchecked.  But I don't think we'll be looking much further for
'help-Access-hobble-along' tips.  We're overdue for a switch.

-- Owen

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Re: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread Dave Hannum

Owen,

I doubt that the size of your files is the problem.  Michael D. runs the
CF-talk list with an Access database (or did until just recently).  Have you
got the latest MS Jet drivers?  Access 2000 is much more stout than 97.
Perhaps the latest ODBC drivers would be a quick short term fix.

Dave


- Original Message -
From: "Owen Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Memory problems


So, the consensus is Access is the problem!  I wonder if the memory problems
have gotten worse in the past couple of months because of the growing size
of the database?

> I think in the cfusion\bin directory there is a batch file provided that
> sets up your scheduler to restart cf services at 2am (or so).

So running Cycle.bat sets up the scheduler?  Or do I need to schedule
Cycle.bat to be run?

I guess conversion to MySQL is now on the top of the pile after vacation.

-- Owen


> We've been having problems lately with our server running out of memory.



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RE: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread Rob Baxter

Two questions..

1) How big are you access dbs? After a couple million records access tends
to go belly up...

2) are you using connection pooling? Access memory leaks will kill you if
you have the "maintain db connectoins" box checked in the ODBC administrator





-Original Message-
From: Owen Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Memory problems


So, the consensus is Access is the problem!  I wonder if the memory problems
have gotten worse in the past couple of months because of the growing size
of the database?

> I think in the cfusion\bin directory there is a batch file provided that
> sets up your scheduler to restart cf services at 2am (or so).

So running Cycle.bat sets up the scheduler?  Or do I need to schedule
Cycle.bat to be run?

I guess conversion to MySQL is now on the top of the pile after vacation.

-- Owen


> We've been having problems lately with our server running out of memory.



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RE: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread Wallick, Mike

Cycle.bat sets up the scheduler.

Mike Wallick
* Web Application Developer
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* 651.628.5377
* http://www.securecomputing.com/


-Original Message-
From: Owen Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Memory problems


So, the consensus is Access is the problem!  I wonder if the memory problems
have gotten worse in the past couple of months because of the growing size
of the database?

> I think in the cfusion\bin directory there is a batch file provided 
> that sets up your scheduler to restart cf services at 2am (or so).

So running Cycle.bat sets up the scheduler?  Or do I need to schedule
Cycle.bat to be run?

I guess conversion to MySQL is now on the top of the pile after vacation.

-- Owen


> We've been having problems lately with our server running out of 
> memory.



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Re: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread Owen Leonard

So, the consensus is Access is the problem!  I wonder if the memory problems
have gotten worse in the past couple of months because of the growing size
of the database?

> I think in the cfusion\bin directory there is a batch file provided that
> sets up your scheduler to restart cf services at 2am (or so).

So running Cycle.bat sets up the scheduler?  Or do I need to schedule
Cycle.bat to be run?

I guess conversion to MySQL is now on the top of the pile after vacation.

-- Owen


> We've been having problems lately with our server running out of memory.


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RE: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread Costas Piliotis

Yup.  It's called Cycle.bat

Forgot about that...

-Original Message-
From: Wallick, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:12 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Memory problems


I think in the cfusion\bin directory there is a batch file provided that
sets up your scheduler to restart cf services at 2am (or so).

Mike Wallick
* Web Application Developer
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* 651.628.5377
* http://www.securecomputing.com/


-Original Message-
From: Costas Piliotis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Memory problems


That's a known "Feature"

Schedule a task that restarts all the cold fusion services in the middle of
the night using the command line net stop and net start commands.

It's documented in the knowledge base somewhere deep in there, but it's
pretty simple to get a batch file built to restart the cold fusion
services...

-Original Message-
From: Owen Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:04 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Memory problems


We've been having problems lately with our server running out of memory.
I've gone over everything looking for unlocked session variables and cfx
tags.  We've increased the amount of RAM on the server.  But still we're
having problems, which seem manifest themselves first in errors generated by
cfx tags and then in loss of connection to the database (Access).
Does anyone have any advice on how to proceed to find out the cause of
the problem?  Somewhere I heard that ColdFusion server doesn't release
memory once it uses it--that it holds on to it just in case.  Is this true?

-- Owen


Athens County Library Services http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh.us




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RE: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP

> We've been having problems lately with our server running out
> of memory.
> I've gone over everything looking for unlocked session
> variables and cfx tags.  We've increased the amount of RAM on
> the server.  But still we're having problems, which seem
> manifest themselves first in errors generated by cfx tags and
> then in loss of connection to the database (Access).
> Does anyone have any advice on how to proceed to find out
> the cause of the problem?  Somewhere I heard that ColdFusion
> server doesn't release memory once it uses it--that it holds
> on to it just in case.
> Is this true?

The Access JET driver has a HORRIBLE memory leak... It's a "feature" of
the ODBC driver...

Solutions?
Schedule a restart of the CF Service nightly
Schedule a restart of the server nightly
Don't use Access 

Philip Arnold
Technical Director
Certified ColdFusion Developer
ASP Multimedia Limited
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RE: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread Wallick, Mike

I think in the cfusion\bin directory there is a batch file provided that
sets up your scheduler to restart cf services at 2am (or so).

Mike Wallick
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-Original Message-
From: Costas Piliotis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Memory problems


That's a known "Feature"

Schedule a task that restarts all the cold fusion services in the middle of
the night using the command line net stop and net start commands.

It's documented in the knowledge base somewhere deep in there, but it's
pretty simple to get a batch file built to restart the cold fusion
services...

-Original Message-
From: Owen Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:04 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Memory problems


We've been having problems lately with our server running out of memory.
I've gone over everything looking for unlocked session variables and cfx
tags.  We've increased the amount of RAM on the server.  But still we're
having problems, which seem manifest themselves first in errors generated by
cfx tags and then in loss of connection to the database (Access).
Does anyone have any advice on how to proceed to find out the cause of
the problem?  Somewhere I heard that ColdFusion server doesn't release
memory once it uses it--that it holds on to it just in case.  Is this true?

-- Owen


Athens County Library Services http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh.us



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RE: Memory problems

2002-05-29 Thread Costas Piliotis

That's a known "Feature"

Schedule a task that restarts all the cold fusion services in the middle of
the night using the command line net stop and net start commands.

It's documented in the knowledge base somewhere deep in there, but it's
pretty simple to get a batch file built to restart the cold fusion
services...

-Original Message-
From: Owen Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:04 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Memory problems


We've been having problems lately with our server running out of memory.
I've gone over everything looking for unlocked session variables and cfx
tags.  We've increased the amount of RAM on the server.  But still we're
having problems, which seem manifest themselves first in errors generated by
cfx tags and then in loss of connection to the database (Access).
Does anyone have any advice on how to proceed to find out the cause of
the problem?  Somewhere I heard that ColdFusion server doesn't release
memory once it uses it--that it holds on to it just in case.  Is this true?

-- Owen


Athens County Library Services http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh.us


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