RE: RED SKY BETA

2003-06-13 Thread Adam Wayne Lehman
Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 

But I emphasize the anal part.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 

Hehehe, alright I recant the jealous part.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:33 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 

I think you will find that most of the people who complained about the
NDA
breach have actaully been on it since Alpha 1!

-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 June 2003 16:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 


Lighten up, it's Friday.

Peter I apologize for all the anal jealous bastards (no one in
particular) on this list, cuz MM announced the beta _publicly_ June 2.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 

It's MM's decision to release info about the beta, not the testers.

M

-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 


Maybe some owe Peter an apology. It wasn't more than 4 days ago he got
flamed for merely mentioning 'Red Sky Beta'.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RED SKY BETA 

We need your help to really put the CF "RED SKY" release through its
paces
and make this the best ColdFusion Server product ever released.

If you think you might be able to help us out, you're invited complete
the
simple Beta program application:

http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmmxbeta 

The CF "RED SKY" preview presentation contains the only details that can
be
talked about publicly, but it's located here:

http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/

We've poured poured our heart & soul into RED SKY, and we want it to be
"The
ONE" you use and depend on, to do-what-you-do.  

See you in the Beta Forums!

Damon Cooper
Dir of Engineering, ColdFusion Server
Macromedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]









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RE: RED SKY BETA

2003-06-13 Thread Adam Wayne Lehman
But I emphasize the anal part.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 

Hehehe, alright I recant the jealous part.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:33 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 

I think you will find that most of the people who complained about the
NDA
breach have actaully been on it since Alpha 1!

-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 June 2003 16:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 


Lighten up, it's Friday.

Peter I apologize for all the anal jealous bastards (no one in
particular) on this list, cuz MM announced the beta _publicly_ June 2.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 

It's MM's decision to release info about the beta, not the testers.

M

-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 


Maybe some owe Peter an apology. It wasn't more than 4 days ago he got
flamed for merely mentioning 'Red Sky Beta'.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RED SKY BETA 

We need your help to really put the CF "RED SKY" release through its
paces
and make this the best ColdFusion Server product ever released.

If you think you might be able to help us out, you're invited complete
the
simple Beta program application:

http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmmxbeta 

The CF "RED SKY" preview presentation contains the only details that can
be
talked about publicly, but it's located here:

http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/

We've poured poured our heart & soul into RED SKY, and we want it to be
"The
ONE" you use and depend on, to do-what-you-do.  

See you in the Beta Forums!

Damon Cooper
Dir of Engineering, ColdFusion Server
Macromedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]








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RE: RED SKY BETA

2003-06-13 Thread Adam Wayne Lehman
Hehehe, alright I recant the jealous part.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:33 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 

I think you will find that most of the people who complained about the
NDA
breach have actaully been on it since Alpha 1!

-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 June 2003 16:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 


Lighten up, it's Friday.

Peter I apologize for all the anal jealous bastards (no one in
particular) on this list, cuz MM announced the beta _publicly_ June 2.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 

It's MM's decision to release info about the beta, not the testers.

M

-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 


Maybe some owe Peter an apology. It wasn't more than 4 days ago he got
flamed for merely mentioning 'Red Sky Beta'.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RED SKY BETA 

We need your help to really put the CF "RED SKY" release through its
paces
and make this the best ColdFusion Server product ever released.

If you think you might be able to help us out, you're invited complete
the
simple Beta program application:

http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmmxbeta 

The CF "RED SKY" preview presentation contains the only details that can
be
talked about publicly, but it's located here:

http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/

We've poured poured our heart & soul into RED SKY, and we want it to be
"The
ONE" you use and depend on, to do-what-you-do.  

See you in the Beta Forums!

Damon Cooper
Dir of Engineering, ColdFusion Server
Macromedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]







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Re: RED SKY BETA

2003-06-13 Thread Dana Tierney
You do have to commend them for the effort they have obviously made. Good 
PR.

Dana

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:34:02 -0500, Doug White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Not only announced it, but the project manager has been posting constant 
> updates
> on this list, and I would imagine it is not a violation of the NDA to 
> discuss
> his updates.  I for one, hopefully am now part of the solution and not 
> part of
> the problem, either perceived or real.
>
> Most Beta projects are conducted very secretly and little info is 
> released
> publicly until the product is released.  But in the Case of Red Sky, MM 
> is
> demonstrating their commitment to address all the problems that have been
> discussed on here, no matter how off-the-wall they seemed at the time, as 
> the
> feature requests that have been submitted, as well as other places.  
> Based on
> the posts and updates I have seen on this list, MM is doing a terrific 
> job in
> fixing CFMX and its installer packaging.  Based on my own participation 
> in the
> beta project, I will honor the NDA and just comment that I am really 
> excited and
> positive about it.
>
> There have been posts complaining about MM's communications (or lack of) 
> and it
> is evident that this has changed radically for the better.
>
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> - Original Message - From: "Adam Wayne Lehman" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:42 AM
> Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA
>
>
> | Lighten up, it's Friday.
> |
> | Peter I apologize for all the anal jealous bastards (no one in
> | particular) on this list, cuz MM announced the beta _publicly_ June 2.
> |
> | Adam Wayne Lehman
> | Web Systems Developer
> | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
> | Distance Education Division
> |
> |
> | -Original Message-
> | From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:22 AM
> | To: CF-Talk
> | Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA
> |
> | It's MM's decision to release info about the beta, not the testers.
> |
> | M
> |
> | -Original Message-
> | From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:44 AM
> | To: CF-Talk
> | Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA
> |
> |
> | Maybe some owe Peter an apology. It wasn't more than 4 days ago he got
> | flamed for merely mentioning 'Red Sky Beta'.
> |
> | Adam Wayne Lehman
> | Web Systems Developer
> | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
> | Distance Education Division
> |
> |
> | -Original Message-
> | From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:52 PM
> | To: CF-Talk
> | Subject: RED SKY BETA
> |
> | We need your help to really put the CF "RED SKY" release through its
> | paces
> | and make this the best ColdFusion Server product ever released.
> |
> | If you think you might be able to help us out, you're invited complete
> | the
> | simple Beta program application:
> |
> | http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmmxbeta
> |
> | The CF "RED SKY" preview presentation contains the only details that 
> can
> | be
> | talked about publicly, but it's located here:
> |
> | http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/
> |
> | We've poured poured our heart & soul into RED SKY, and we want it to be
> | "The
> | ONE" you use and depend on, to do-what-you-do.
> |
> | See you in the Beta Forums!
> |
> | Damon Cooper
> | Dir of Engineering, ColdFusion Server
> | Macromedia
> | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | 
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Re: RED SKY BETA

2003-06-13 Thread Doug White
Not only announced it, but the project manager has been posting constant updates
on this list, and I would imagine it is not a violation of the NDA to discuss
his updates.  I for one, hopefully am now part of the solution and not part of
the problem, either perceived or real.

Most Beta projects are conducted very secretly and little info is released
publicly until the product is released.  But in the Case of Red Sky, MM is
demonstrating their commitment to address all the problems that have been
discussed on here, no matter how off-the-wall they seemed at the time, as the
feature requests that have been submitted, as well as other places.  Based on
the posts and updates I have seen on this list, MM is doing a terrific job in
fixing CFMX and its installer packaging.  Based on my own participation in the
beta project, I will honor the NDA and just comment that I am really excited and
positive about it.

There have been posts complaining about MM's communications (or lack of) and it
is evident that this has changed radically for the better.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Wayne Lehman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA


| Lighten up, it's Friday.
|
| Peter I apologize for all the anal jealous bastards (no one in
| particular) on this list, cuz MM announced the beta _publicly_ June 2.
|
| Adam Wayne Lehman
| Web Systems Developer
| Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
| Distance Education Division
|
|
| -Original Message-
| From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:22 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA
|
| It's MM's decision to release info about the beta, not the testers.
|
| M
|
| -Original Message-
| From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:44 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA
|
|
| Maybe some owe Peter an apology. It wasn't more than 4 days ago he got
| flamed for merely mentioning 'Red Sky Beta'.
|
| Adam Wayne Lehman
| Web Systems Developer
| Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
| Distance Education Division
|
|
| -Original Message-
| From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:52 PM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RED SKY BETA
|
| We need your help to really put the CF "RED SKY" release through its
| paces
| and make this the best ColdFusion Server product ever released.
|
| If you think you might be able to help us out, you're invited complete
| the
| simple Beta program application:
|
| http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmmxbeta
|
| The CF "RED SKY" preview presentation contains the only details that can
| be
| talked about publicly, but it's located here:
|
| http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/
|
| We've poured poured our heart & soul into RED SKY, and we want it to be
| "The
| ONE" you use and depend on, to do-what-you-do.
|
| See you in the Beta Forums!
|
| Damon Cooper
| Dir of Engineering, ColdFusion Server
| Macromedia
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
|
|
|
|
| 
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RE: RED SKY BETA

2003-06-13 Thread David Collie (itndac)
I'm with you adam, it all seemed a little over the top even now, several
days later.  
I think just a prod from an official MM guy would have been
sufficient 
Its up to *them* to enforce *their* law methinks

> 
> Lighten up, it's Friday.
> 
> Peter I apologize for all the anal jealous bastards (no one in
> particular) on this list, cuz MM announced the beta _publicly_ June 2.
> 
> Adam Wayne Lehman


> It's MM's decision to release info about the beta, not the testers.
> 
> M
> 

> 
> 
> Maybe some owe Peter an apology. It wasn't more than 4 days 
> ago he got flamed for merely mentioning 'Red Sky Beta'.
> 
> Adam Wayne Lehman

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RE: RED SKY BETA

2003-06-13 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
I think you will find that most of the people who complained about the NDA
breach have actaully been on it since Alpha 1!

-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 June 2003 16:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 


Lighten up, it's Friday.

Peter I apologize for all the anal jealous bastards (no one in
particular) on this list, cuz MM announced the beta _publicly_ June 2.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 

It's MM's decision to release info about the beta, not the testers.

M

-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 


Maybe some owe Peter an apology. It wasn't more than 4 days ago he got
flamed for merely mentioning 'Red Sky Beta'.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RED SKY BETA 

We need your help to really put the CF "RED SKY" release through its
paces
and make this the best ColdFusion Server product ever released.

If you think you might be able to help us out, you're invited complete
the
simple Beta program application:

http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmmxbeta 

The CF "RED SKY" preview presentation contains the only details that can
be
talked about publicly, but it's located here:

http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/

We've poured poured our heart & soul into RED SKY, and we want it to be
"The
ONE" you use and depend on, to do-what-you-do.  

See you in the Beta Forums!

Damon Cooper
Dir of Engineering, ColdFusion Server
Macromedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]






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RE: RED SKY BETA

2003-06-13 Thread Adam Wayne Lehman
Lighten up, it's Friday.

Peter I apologize for all the anal jealous bastards (no one in
particular) on this list, cuz MM announced the beta _publicly_ June 2.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 

It's MM's decision to release info about the beta, not the testers.

M

-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 


Maybe some owe Peter an apology. It wasn't more than 4 days ago he got
flamed for merely mentioning 'Red Sky Beta'.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RED SKY BETA 

We need your help to really put the CF "RED SKY" release through its
paces
and make this the best ColdFusion Server product ever released.

If you think you might be able to help us out, you're invited complete
the
simple Beta program application:

http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmmxbeta 

The CF "RED SKY" preview presentation contains the only details that can
be
talked about publicly, but it's located here:

http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/

We've poured poured our heart & soul into RED SKY, and we want it to be
"The
ONE" you use and depend on, to do-what-you-do.  

See you in the Beta Forums!

Damon Cooper
Dir of Engineering, ColdFusion Server
Macromedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





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RE: RED SKY BETA

2003-06-13 Thread Haggerty, Mike
It's MM's decision to release info about the beta, not the testers.

M

-Original Message-
From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA 


Maybe some owe Peter an apology. It wasn't more than 4 days ago he got
flamed for merely mentioning 'Red Sky Beta'.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RED SKY BETA 

We need your help to really put the CF "RED SKY" release through its paces
and make this the best ColdFusion Server product ever released.

If you think you might be able to help us out, you're invited complete the
simple Beta program application:

http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmmxbeta 

The CF "RED SKY" preview presentation contains the only details that can be
talked about publicly, but it's located here:

http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/

We've poured poured our heart & soul into RED SKY, and we want it to be "The
ONE" you use and depend on, to do-what-you-do.  

See you in the Beta Forums!

Damon Cooper
Dir of Engineering, ColdFusion Server
Macromedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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RE: RED SKY BETA

2003-06-13 Thread Adam Wayne Lehman
Maybe some owe Peter an apology. It wasn't more than 4 days ago he got
flamed for merely mentioning 'Red Sky Beta'.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RED SKY BETA 

We need your help to really put the CF "RED SKY" release through its
paces and make this the best ColdFusion Server product ever released.

If you think you might be able to help us out, you're invited complete
the simple Beta program application:

http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmmxbeta 

The CF "RED SKY" preview presentation contains the only details that can
be talked about publicly, but it's located here:

http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/

We've poured poured our heart & soul into RED SKY, and we want it to be
"The ONE" you use and depend on, to do-what-you-do.  

See you in the Beta Forums!

Damon Cooper
Dir of Engineering, ColdFusion Server
Macromedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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RE: RED SKY BETA

2003-06-12 Thread Barney Boisvert
there's an extra 'm' in the url: cfmmx


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> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:59 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: RED SKY BETA
>
>
> Damon,
>
> That signup url gives me a 404.
>
> I signed up yesterday.  Hoping to hear back :D
>
> ---
>  Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> ---
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Damon Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:52:02 -0400
>
> >We need your help to really put the CF "RED SKY" release through
> its paces and make this the best ColdFusion Server product ever released.
> >
> >If you think you might be able to help us out, you're invited
> complete the simple Beta program application:
> >
> >http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmmxbeta
> >
> >The CF "RED SKY" preview presentation contains the only details
> that can be talked about publicly, but it's located here:
> >
> >http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/
> >
> >We've poured poured our heart & soul into RED SKY, and we want
> it to be "The ONE" you use and depend on, to do-what-you-do.
> >
> >See you in the Beta Forums!
> >
> >Damon Cooper
> >Dir of Engineering, ColdFusion Server
> >Macromedia
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: RED SKY BETA

2003-06-12 Thread Matt Robertson
Damon,

That signup url gives me a 404.

I signed up yesterday.  Hoping to hear back :D

---
 Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com
---


-- Original Message --
From: Damon Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:52:02 -0400

>We need your help to really put the CF "RED SKY" release through its paces and make 
>this the best ColdFusion Server product ever released.
>
>If you think you might be able to help us out, you're invited complete the simple 
>Beta program application:
>
>http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmmxbeta 
>
>The CF "RED SKY" preview presentation contains the only details that can be talked 
>about publicly, but it's located here:
>
>http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/
>
>We've poured poured our heart & soul into RED SKY, and we want it to be "The ONE" you 
>use and depend on, to do-what-you-do.  
>
>See you in the Beta Forums!
>
>Damon Cooper
>Dir of Engineering, ColdFusion Server
>Macromedia
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Tilbrook, Peter
Strewth, all I stated was the beta 2 was available.


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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Lee Fuller
Uhm...   Naw.. Better leave this one alone too.  Nevermind.  ;)

Lee

(As mother always said -- if you can't say something nice ... )

| -Original Message-
| From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
| Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:28 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released
| 
| 
| OK...why doesn't everybody call the mothers of the folks that 
| said "Red Sky" on this list and get it over withmabye 
| they'll get their mouths washed out with soap. ;-)
| 
| We all bloody well know what NDAs are...it's up to MM to 
| enforce them...not the members of this list.
| 
| Far more than enough said...come on list police...swing that 
| billy club!!
| 
| Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
| VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
| Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
| t. 250.920.8830
| e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
| -
| Macromedia Associate Partner
| www.macromedia.com
| -
| Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
| Founder & Director
| www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
| - Original Message -
| From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:14 AM
| Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
| 
| 
| > Also, Just because MM talks about it, that doesn't mean you 
| are still 
| > not under NDA.
| >
| > The NDA is there to protect MM, the products, and the consumers.
| >
| > > -Original Message-
| > > From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:58 PM
| > > To: CF-Talk
| > > Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
| > >
| > > > nicely put thanks for not calling people idiots.
| > >
| > > Anyone who agrees to a NDA, then violates it without a second 
| > > thought is just wishing for problems
| > >
| > > They put the NDA there for a reason - because the 
| information is for 
| > > NON DISCLOSURE!
| > >
| > > Admittedly using the word "idiot" is a little strong, but if 
| > > Macromedia ban people from future Betas when they 
| flagrantly broke 
| > > the NDA, then they deserve all they get, and no amount of moaning 
| > > will help them...
| > >
| > > I have strong feelings about NDAs, and if you break them, 
| then you 
| > > deserve all you "get" - I have been on MANY Betas where I had to 
| > > sign an NDA, and have never broken one - if you feel the need to 
| > > break NDAs, then you shouldn't agree to them, simple as that
| > >
| > > That's my $0.02 anyways ;)
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > 
| 
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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Cantrell, Adam
It seems that some people confuse private beta's with some type of elitist
recognition, and then feel the need to let everyone know about it. I used to
get a bit irked when 'neo' was under development, and people that didn't
even work at mm would gnash their teeth at others for even bringing up the
word 'neo', but then realized all they want is to let everyone know they're
part of the beta. Knowing this, I don't get as confused - I just wish there
was another way they could be recognized without having to call people
idiots. Maybe mm could make a "private beta testers" web page, and then the
NDA police could link to it in their sig or something - "Private RedSky Beta
Tester - Gold Status" www.macromedia.com/elitiny

If they really cared about keeping the beta private, they would email the
person directly and then tattle to MM. I doubt any of them do this - better
to go for the personal recognition ;P

Adam.


> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:28 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released
> 
> 
> OK...why doesn't everybody call the mothers of the folks that 
> said "Red Sky"
> on this list and get it over withmabye they'll get their 
> mouths washed
> out with soap. ;-)
> 
> We all bloody well know what NDAs are...it's up to MM to 
> enforce them...not
> the members of this list.
> 
> Far more than enough said...come on list police...swing that 
> billy club!!
> 
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> t. 250.920.8830
> e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> -
> Macromedia Associate Partner
> www.macromedia.com
> -
> Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
> Founder & Director
> www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:14 AM
> Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
> 
> 
> > Also, Just because MM talks about it, that doesn't mean you 
> are still not
> > under NDA.
> >
> > The NDA is there to protect MM, the products, and the consumers.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:58 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
> > >
> > > > nicely put thanks for not calling people idiots.
> > >
> > > Anyone who agrees to a NDA, then violates it without a 
> second thought is
> > > just wishing for problems
> > >
> > > They put the NDA there for a reason - because the 
> information is for NON
> > > DISCLOSURE!
> > >
> > > Admittedly using the word "idiot" is a little strong, but 
> if Macromedia
> > > ban people from future Betas when they flagrantly broke 
> the NDA, then
> > > they deserve all they get, and no amount of moaning will 
> help them...
> > >
> > > I have strong feelings about NDAs, and if you break them, then you
> > > deserve all you "get" - I have been on MANY Betas where I 
> had to sign an
> > > NDA, and have never broken one - if you feel the need to 
> break NDAs,
> > > then you shouldn't agree to them, simple as that
> > >
> > > That's my $0.02 anyways ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> 
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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Doug White
Got mine a little while ago.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Christian Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released


| We haven't sent out responses to everyone yet, but you should hear
| something by tomorrow afternoon.
|
| Christian
|
| On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 12:13 PM, Bryan Stevenson wrote:
|
| > nopestill tappin my fingers on my desk waiting for some kind of
| > notification *sigh*
| >
| > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
| > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
| > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
| > t. 250.920.8830
| > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| >
| > -
| > Macromedia Associate Partner
| > www.macromedia.com
| > -
| > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
| > Founder & Director
| > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
| > - Original Message -
| > From: "David K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:59 AM
| > Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released
| >
| >
| >> MM recently announced that they were opening up
| >> the RedSky beta program to new testers. I have
| >> applied but heard nothing. I'm assuming that this
| >> will be another case where MM will only contact
| >> successful applicants. Has anyone else here who
| >> applied for round 2 heard anything?
| >>
| >> --David K
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> - Original Message -
| >> From: "Tilbrook, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| >> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:46 PM
| >> Subject: Red Sky beta 2 released
| >>
| >>
| >>> For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
| >>> available
| > at
| >>> the usual place.
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >
| 
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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Thanks for the update Christian...Cheers


Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
- Original Message -
From: "Christian Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released


> We haven't sent out responses to everyone yet, but you should hear
> something by tomorrow afternoon.
>
> Christian
>
> On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 12:13 PM, Bryan Stevenson wrote:
>
> > nopestill tappin my fingers on my desk waiting for some kind of
> > notification *sigh*
> >
> > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> > t. 250.920.8830
> > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > -
> > Macromedia Associate Partner
> > www.macromedia.com
> > -
> > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
> > Founder & Director
> > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "David K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released
> >
> >
> >> MM recently announced that they were opening up
> >> the RedSky beta program to new testers. I have
> >> applied but heard nothing. I'm assuming that this
> >> will be another case where MM will only contact
> >> successful applicants. Has anyone else here who
> >> applied for round 2 heard anything?
> >>
> >> --David K
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Tilbrook, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:46 PM
> >> Subject: Red Sky beta 2 released
> >>
> >>
> >>> For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
> >>> available
> > at
> >>> the usual place.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Christian Cantrell
We haven't sent out responses to everyone yet, but you should hear  
something by tomorrow afternoon.

Christian

On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 12:13 PM, Bryan Stevenson wrote:

> nopestill tappin my fingers on my desk waiting for some kind of
> notification *sigh*
>
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> t. 250.920.8830
> e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -
> Macromedia Associate Partner
> www.macromedia.com
> -
> Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
> Founder & Director
> www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "David K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released
>
>
>> MM recently announced that they were opening up
>> the RedSky beta program to new testers. I have
>> applied but heard nothing. I'm assuming that this
>> will be another case where MM will only contact
>> successful applicants. Has anyone else here who
>> applied for round 2 heard anything?
>>
>> --David K
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tilbrook, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:46 PM
>> Subject: Red Sky beta 2 released
>>
>>
>>> For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,  
>>> available
> at
>>> the usual place.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Bryan Stevenson
OK...why doesn't everybody call the mothers of the folks that said "Red Sky"
on this list and get it over withmabye they'll get their mouths washed
out with soap. ;-)

We all bloody well know what NDAs are...it's up to MM to enforce them...not
the members of this list.

Far more than enough said...come on list police...swing that billy club!!

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-
Macromedia Associate Partner
www.macromedia.com
-
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Founder & Director
www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
- Original Message -
From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released


> Also, Just because MM talks about it, that doesn't mean you are still not
> under NDA.
>
> The NDA is there to protect MM, the products, and the consumers.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:58 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
> >
> > > nicely put thanks for not calling people idiots.
> >
> > Anyone who agrees to a NDA, then violates it without a second thought is
> > just wishing for problems
> >
> > They put the NDA there for a reason - because the information is for NON
> > DISCLOSURE!
> >
> > Admittedly using the word "idiot" is a little strong, but if Macromedia
> > ban people from future Betas when they flagrantly broke the NDA, then
> > they deserve all they get, and no amount of moaning will help them...
> >
> > I have strong feelings about NDAs, and if you break them, then you
> > deserve all you "get" - I have been on MANY Betas where I had to sign an
> > NDA, and have never broken one - if you feel the need to break NDAs,
> > then you shouldn't agree to them, simple as that
> >
> > That's my $0.02 anyways ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Nick McClure
Also, Just because MM talks about it, that doesn't mean you are still not
under NDA.

The NDA is there to protect MM, the products, and the consumers.

> -Original Message-
> From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:58 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
> 
> > nicely put thanks for not calling people idiots.
> 
> Anyone who agrees to a NDA, then violates it without a second thought is
> just wishing for problems
> 
> They put the NDA there for a reason - because the information is for NON
> DISCLOSURE!
> 
> Admittedly using the word "idiot" is a little strong, but if Macromedia
> ban people from future Betas when they flagrantly broke the NDA, then
> they deserve all they get, and no amount of moaning will help them...
> 
> I have strong feelings about NDAs, and if you break them, then you
> deserve all you "get" - I have been on MANY Betas where I had to sign an
> NDA, and have never broken one - if you feel the need to break NDAs,
> then you shouldn't agree to them, simple as that
> 
> That's my $0.02 anyways ;)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Michael Tangorre
I agree. I was just commenting on the word choice (idiots). I think a lot of
people get caught up in the hype of being a beta tester and skim over the
NDA... not good I know, but obviously its done or we wouldn't be having this
conversation.

Mike

- Original Message - 
From: "Philip Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released


> > nicely put thanks for not calling people idiots.
>
> Anyone who agrees to a NDA, then violates it without a second thought is
> just wishing for problems
>
> They put the NDA there for a reason - because the information is for NON
> DISCLOSURE!
>
> Admittedly using the word "idiot" is a little strong, but if Macromedia
> ban people from future Betas when they flagrantly broke the NDA, then
> they deserve all they get, and no amount of moaning will help them...
>
> I have strong feelings about NDAs, and if you break them, then you
> deserve all you "get" - I have been on MANY Betas where I had to sign an
> NDA, and have never broken one - if you feel the need to break NDAs,
> then you shouldn't agree to them, simple as that
>
> That's my $0.02 anyways ;)
>
>
>
> 
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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Dave Lyons
hum..
who's more of an idiot?
The idiot or the one who calls the idiot an idiot?







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From: "Philip Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:54 AM
Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released


> > Yeah, and the rest of us who *want* to get on the Betas
> > (again) have difficulty.
> >
> > How's that screening process work again? ;-)
>
> Simple, idiots who break it by announcing things on lists like this are
> black-listed 
>
> It's called NON-DISCLOSURE for a reason 
>
>
>
> 
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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Philip Arnold
> nicely put thanks for not calling people idiots.

Anyone who agrees to a NDA, then violates it without a second thought is
just wishing for problems

They put the NDA there for a reason - because the information is for NON
DISCLOSURE!

Admittedly using the word "idiot" is a little strong, but if Macromedia
ban people from future Betas when they flagrantly broke the NDA, then
they deserve all they get, and no amount of moaning will help them...

I have strong feelings about NDAs, and if you break them, then you
deserve all you "get" - I have been on MANY Betas where I had to sign an
NDA, and have never broken one - if you feel the need to break NDAs,
then you shouldn't agree to them, simple as that

That's my $0.02 anyways ;)



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Re: Red Sky Beta 2

2003-06-10 Thread Doug White
There is noting wrong with complying with an NDA, however the beta of Red Sky,
is fully described not only publicly on the MM web site, but in public postings
on this list by MM employees.  That is more or less the 'official" description.
The NDA should restrict all but the MM insiders from publicly discussing the
innards of the project.  MM has not particularly made a secret of what it is
attempting to so with this maintenance release.  But, the NDA should restrict
all disclosures to MM insiders as they deem fit to release to the public.

On the Macromedia Web site, Red Sky is described as a maintenance release of
ColdFusionMX, and its install/updater packaging.  There are a number of items
that are being addressed also posted on the MM web site, as well as a rather
lengthy list of "wishes and wants" that may be addressed.

It is not described as a new product development or release, and all licensed
users will be upgraded at no cost when the beta becomes a release.

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From: "Che Vilnonis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: Red Sky Beta 2


| Is it against the NDA to tell me what Red Sky is???
| I've been away for a while...and I am clueless.
|
| ~CV
|
| -Original Message-
| From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:38 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released
|
|
| Well, we prefer that people respect their NDAs.
|
| mike chambers
|
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
| - Original Message -
| From: "Thane Sherrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:15 AM
| Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
|
|
| > At 01:08 PM 06/10/03 +0100, Philip Arnold wrote:
| > > > For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
| > > > available at the usual place.
| > > >
| > > > Happy testing.
| > >
| > >The funny thing is that the people on the Beta test will be informed...
| > > >From official sources!
| > >
| > >If you're on the Beta, you signed the NDA... Try sticking to it
| >
| > I'm sure Macromedia cares if people outside an open beta find out if beta
| 2
| > is released.
| >
| > T
| >
| >
| > Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited to one computer?  Move
| > them to the Net!
| > www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites makes it easy to keep all your
| > favourites in one place and
| > access them from any computer that's attached to the Internet.
| >
| >
|
| 
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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Mike Kear
It's ok to say WHAT Red Sky is, because Macromedia have it on the web site.
There's an overview at
http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/



Red Sky is the next update to CFMX.  And what we know from events happening
here in the last few days,  and the statements of some Macromedia people
about it, Red Sky will have many improvements and fixes to issues in CFMX,
including improved installation routines.


Other than that, the contents of Red Sky are under NDA.



Cheers,
Michael Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP Webworks.




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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Bryan Stevenson
nopestill tappin my fingers on my desk waiting for some kind of
notification *sigh*

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- Original Message -
From: "David K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released


> MM recently announced that they were opening up
> the RedSky beta program to new testers. I have
> applied but heard nothing. I'm assuming that this
> will be another case where MM will only contact
> successful applicants. Has anyone else here who
> applied for round 2 heard anything?
>
> --David K
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tilbrook, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:46 PM
> Subject: Red Sky beta 2 released
>
>
> > For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2, available
at
> > the usual place.
> >
>
>
> 
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Re: Red Sky Beta 2

2003-06-10 Thread Taz
> Its a shepherds delight if it happens at night

Yeah, Shepherd's don't get much.
The sheep keep running away when they hear the sound of a zip.

Taz
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Re: Red Sky Beta 2

2003-06-10 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Che Vilnonis wrote:
> Is it against the NDA to tell me what Red Sky is???
> I've been away for a while...and I am clueless.

http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/

This is the official information. Everything else should be regarded as 
gossip and would best be forgotten.

Jochem

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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Michael Tangorre
nicely put thanks for not calling people idiots.


- Original Message - 
From: "Christian Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released


> On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 11:46 AM, Lee Fuller wrote:
>
> > I think it's amazing that people with NDA's simply announce beta info
> > on
> > open lists.  Kinda against the purpose of an "NON DISCLOSURE"
> > agreement --
> > isn't it?
>
> It is best to always err on the side of caution and only post
> information about betas to beta lists.  If Macromedia wants to make
> public announcements about betas, we will do so.
>
> Christian
>
> 
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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread David K
MM recently announced that they were opening up
the RedSky beta program to new testers. I have
applied but heard nothing. I'm assuming that this
will be another case where MM will only contact
successful applicants. Has anyone else here who
applied for round 2 heard anything?

--David K



- Original Message - 
From: "Tilbrook, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:46 PM
Subject: Red Sky beta 2 released


> For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2, available at
> the usual place.
>


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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Christian Cantrell
On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 11:46 AM, Lee Fuller wrote:

> I think it's amazing that people with NDA's simply announce beta info 
> on
> open lists.  Kinda against the purpose of an "NON DISCLOSURE" 
> agreement --
> isn't it?

It is best to always err on the side of caution and only post 
information about betas to beta lists.  If Macromedia wants to make 
public announcements about betas, we will do so.

Christian

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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Philip Arnold
> Yeah, and the rest of us who *want* to get on the Betas
> (again) have difficulty.
>
> How's that screening process work again? ;-)

Simple, idiots who break it by announcing things on lists like this are
black-listed 

It's called NON-DISCLOSURE for a reason 



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RE: Red Sky Beta 2

2003-06-10 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Its a shepherds delight if it happens at night

-Original Message-
From: Che Vilnonis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 June 2003 16:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Red Sky Beta 2


Is it against the NDA to tell me what Red Sky is???
I've been away for a while...and I am clueless.

~CV

-Original Message-
From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released


Well, we prefer that people respect their NDAs.

mike chambers

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message -
From: "Thane Sherrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released


> At 01:08 PM 06/10/03 +0100, Philip Arnold wrote:
> > > For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
> > > available at the usual place.
> > >
> > > Happy testing.
> >
> >The funny thing is that the people on the Beta test will be informed...
> > >From official sources!
> >
> >If you're on the Beta, you signed the NDA... Try sticking to it
>
> I'm sure Macromedia cares if people outside an open beta find out if beta
2
> is released.
>
> T
>
>
> Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited to one computer?  Move
> them to the Net!
> www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites makes it easy to keep all your
> favourites in one place and
> access them from any computer that's attached to the Internet.
>
>


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RE: Red Sky Beta 2

2003-06-10 Thread Che Vilnonis
Is it against the NDA to tell me what Red Sky is???
I've been away for a while...and I am clueless.

~CV

-Original Message-
From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released


Well, we prefer that people respect their NDAs.

mike chambers

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message -
From: "Thane Sherrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released


> At 01:08 PM 06/10/03 +0100, Philip Arnold wrote:
> > > For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
> > > available at the usual place.
> > >
> > > Happy testing.
> >
> >The funny thing is that the people on the Beta test will be informed...
> > >From official sources!
> >
> >If you're on the Beta, you signed the NDA... Try sticking to it
>
> I'm sure Macromedia cares if people outside an open beta find out if beta
2
> is released.
>
> T
>
>
> Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited to one computer?  Move
> them to the Net!
> www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites makes it easy to keep all your
> favourites in one place and
> access them from any computer that's attached to the Internet.
>
>

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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Russ
Yeah, and the rest of us who *want* to get on the Betas (again) have
difficulty.

How's that screening process work again? ;-)

> -Original Message-
> From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:46 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
> 
> 
> I think it's amazing that people with NDA's simply announce 
> beta info on open lists.  Kinda against the purpose of an 
> "NON DISCLOSURE" agreement -- isn't it?
> 
> Owell.. Just my .02.
> 
> 
> 
> | -Original Message-
> | From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:38 AM
> | To: CF-Talk
> | Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released
> | 
> | 
> | Well, we prefer that people respect their NDAs.
> | 
> | mike chambers
> | 
> | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | 
> | - Original Message -
> | From: "Thane Sherrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:15 AM
> | Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
> | 
> | 
> | > At 01:08 PM 06/10/03 +0100, Philip Arnold wrote:
> | > > > For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
> | > > > available at the usual place.
> | > > >
> | > > > Happy testing.
> | > >
> | > >The funny thing is that the people on the Beta test will be
> | > >informed...
> | > > >From official sources!
> | > >
> | > >If you're on the Beta, you signed the NDA... Try sticking to it
> | >
> | > I'm sure Macromedia cares if people outside an open beta
> | find out if
> | > beta
> | 2
> | > is released.
> | >
> | > T
> | >
> | >
> | > Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited to one computer?
> | > Move them to the Net! www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites 
> | makes it easy
> | > to keep all your favourites in one place and
> | > access them from any computer that's attached to the Internet.
> | >
> | > 
> | 
> 
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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Lee Fuller
I think it's amazing that people with NDA's simply announce beta info on
open lists.  Kinda against the purpose of an "NON DISCLOSURE" agreement --
isn't it?

Owell.. Just my .02.



| -Original Message-
| From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
| Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:38 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released
| 
| 
| Well, we prefer that people respect their NDAs.
| 
| mike chambers
| 
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
| - Original Message - 
| From: "Thane Sherrington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:15 AM
| Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
| 
| 
| > At 01:08 PM 06/10/03 +0100, Philip Arnold wrote:
| > > > For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2, 
| > > > available at the usual place.
| > > >
| > > > Happy testing.
| > >
| > >The funny thing is that the people on the Beta test will be 
| > >informed...
| > > >From official sources!
| > >
| > >If you're on the Beta, you signed the NDA... Try sticking to it
| >
| > I'm sure Macromedia cares if people outside an open beta 
| find out if 
| > beta
| 2
| > is released.
| >
| > T
| >
| >
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| > Move them to the Net! www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites 
| makes it easy 
| > to keep all your favourites in one place and
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| >
| > 
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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Mike Chambers
Well, we prefer that people respect their NDAs.

mike chambers

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> At 01:08 PM 06/10/03 +0100, Philip Arnold wrote:
> > > For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
> > > available at the usual place.
> > >
> > > Happy testing.
> >
> >The funny thing is that the people on the Beta test will be informed...
> > >From official sources!
> >
> >If you're on the Beta, you signed the NDA... Try sticking to it
>
> I'm sure Macromedia cares if people outside an open beta find out if beta
2
> is released.
>
> T
>
>
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> them to the Net!
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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Philip Arnold
> I'm sure Macromedia cares if people outside an open beta find
> out if beta 2 is released.

You mean people signed NDA's for nothing?




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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 01:08 PM 06/10/03 +0100, Philip Arnold wrote:
> > For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
> > available at the usual place.
> >
> > Happy testing.
>
>The funny thing is that the people on the Beta test will be informed...
> >From official sources!
>
>If you're on the Beta, you signed the NDA... Try sticking to it

I'm sure Macromedia cares if people outside an open beta find out if beta 2 
is released.

T


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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Philip Arnold
> For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
> available at the usual place.
>
> Happy testing.

The funny thing is that the people on the Beta test will be informed...
>From official sources!

If you're on the Beta, you signed the NDA... Try sticking to it




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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
you supposed to be posting here?

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Sent: 09 June 2003 23:47
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Subject: Red Sky beta 2 released


For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2, available at
the usual place.

Happy testing.

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