RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
you supposed to be posting here?

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From: Tilbrook, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09 June 2003 23:47
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Red Sky beta 2 released


For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2, available at
the usual place.

Happy testing.

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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Philip Arnold
 For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
 available at the usual place.

 Happy testing.

The funny thing is that the people on the Beta test will be informed...
From official sources!

If you're on the Beta, you signed the NDA... Try sticking to it




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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 01:08 PM 06/10/03 +0100, Philip Arnold wrote:
  For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
  available at the usual place.
 
  Happy testing.

The funny thing is that the people on the Beta test will be informed...
 From official sources!

If you're on the Beta, you signed the NDA... Try sticking to it

I'm sure Macromedia cares if people outside an open beta find out if beta 2 
is released.

T


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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Philip Arnold
 I'm sure Macromedia cares if people outside an open beta find
 out if beta 2 is released.

You mean people signed NDA's for nothing?




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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Mike Chambers
Well, we prefer that people respect their NDAs.

mike chambers

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- Original Message - 
From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released


 At 01:08 PM 06/10/03 +0100, Philip Arnold wrote:
   For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
   available at the usual place.
  
   Happy testing.
 
 The funny thing is that the people on the Beta test will be informed...
  From official sources!
 
 If you're on the Beta, you signed the NDA... Try sticking to it

 I'm sure Macromedia cares if people outside an open beta find out if beta
2
 is released.

 T


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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Lee Fuller
I think it's amazing that people with NDA's simply announce beta info on
open lists.  Kinda against the purpose of an NON DISCLOSURE agreement --
isn't it?

Owell.. Just my .02.



| -Original Message-
| From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
| Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:38 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released
| 
| 
| Well, we prefer that people respect their NDAs.
| 
| mike chambers
| 
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
| - Original Message - 
| From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:15 AM
| Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
| 
| 
|  At 01:08 PM 06/10/03 +0100, Philip Arnold wrote:
|For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2, 
|available at the usual place.
|   
|Happy testing.
|  
|  The funny thing is that the people on the Beta test will be 
|  informed...
|   From official sources!
|  
|  If you're on the Beta, you signed the NDA... Try sticking to it
| 
|  I'm sure Macromedia cares if people outside an open beta 
| find out if 
|  beta
| 2
|  is released.
| 
|  T
| 
| 
|  Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited to one computer?  
|  Move them to the Net! www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites 
| makes it easy 
|  to keep all your favourites in one place and
|  access them from any computer that's attached to the Internet.
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|  
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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Russ
Yeah, and the rest of us who *want* to get on the Betas (again) have
difficulty.

How's that screening process work again? ;-)

 -Original Message-
 From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:46 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
 
 
 I think it's amazing that people with NDA's simply announce 
 beta info on open lists.  Kinda against the purpose of an 
 NON DISCLOSURE agreement -- isn't it?
 
 Owell.. Just my .02.
 
 
 
 | -Original Message-
 | From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 | Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:38 AM
 | To: CF-Talk
 | Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released
 | 
 | 
 | Well, we prefer that people respect their NDAs.
 | 
 | mike chambers
 | 
 | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 | 
 | - Original Message -
 | From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 | To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 | Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:15 AM
 | Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
 | 
 | 
 |  At 01:08 PM 06/10/03 +0100, Philip Arnold wrote:
 |For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
 |available at the usual place.
 |   
 |Happy testing.
 |  
 |  The funny thing is that the people on the Beta test will be
 |  informed...
 |   From official sources!
 |  
 |  If you're on the Beta, you signed the NDA... Try sticking to it
 | 
 |  I'm sure Macromedia cares if people outside an open beta
 | find out if
 |  beta
 | 2
 |  is released.
 | 
 |  T
 | 
 | 
 |  Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited to one computer?
 |  Move them to the Net! www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites 
 | makes it easy
 |  to keep all your favourites in one place and
 |  access them from any computer that's attached to the Internet.
 | 
 |  
 | 
 
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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Philip Arnold
 Yeah, and the rest of us who *want* to get on the Betas
 (again) have difficulty.

 How's that screening process work again? ;-)

Simple, idiots who break it by announcing things on lists like this are
black-listed g

It's called NON-DISCLOSURE for a reason g



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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Christian Cantrell
On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 11:46 AM, Lee Fuller wrote:

 I think it's amazing that people with NDA's simply announce beta info 
 on
 open lists.  Kinda against the purpose of an NON DISCLOSURE 
 agreement --
 isn't it?

It is best to always err on the side of caution and only post 
information about betas to beta lists.  If Macromedia wants to make 
public announcements about betas, we will do so.

Christian

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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread David K
MM recently announced that they were opening up
the RedSky beta program to new testers. I have
applied but heard nothing. I'm assuming that this
will be another case where MM will only contact
successful applicants. Has anyone else here who
applied for round 2 heard anything?

--David K



- Original Message - 
From: Tilbrook, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:46 PM
Subject: Red Sky beta 2 released


 For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2, available at
 the usual place.



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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Michael Tangorre
nicely put thanks for not calling people idiots.


- Original Message - 
From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released


 On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 11:46 AM, Lee Fuller wrote:

  I think it's amazing that people with NDA's simply announce beta info
  on
  open lists.  Kinda against the purpose of an NON DISCLOSURE
  agreement --
  isn't it?

 It is best to always err on the side of caution and only post
 information about betas to beta lists.  If Macromedia wants to make
 public announcements about betas, we will do so.

 Christian

 
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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Bryan Stevenson
nopestill tappin my fingers on my desk waiting for some kind of
notification *sigh*

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- Original Message -
From: David K [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released


 MM recently announced that they were opening up
 the RedSky beta program to new testers. I have
 applied but heard nothing. I'm assuming that this
 will be another case where MM will only contact
 successful applicants. Has anyone else here who
 applied for round 2 heard anything?

 --David K



 - Original Message -
 From: Tilbrook, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:46 PM
 Subject: Red Sky beta 2 released


  For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2, available
at
  the usual place.
 


 
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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Mike Kear
It's ok to say WHAT Red Sky is, because Macromedia have it on the web site.
There's an overview at
http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/



Red Sky is the next update to CFMX.  And what we know from events happening
here in the last few days,  and the statements of some Macromedia people
about it, Red Sky will have many improvements and fixes to issues in CFMX,
including improved installation routines.


Other than that, the contents of Red Sky are under NDA.



Cheers,
Michael Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP Webworks.




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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Philip Arnold
 nicely put thanks for not calling people idiots.

Anyone who agrees to a NDA, then violates it without a second thought is
just wishing for problems

They put the NDA there for a reason - because the information is for NON
DISCLOSURE!

Admittedly using the word idiot is a little strong, but if Macromedia
ban people from future Betas when they flagrantly broke the NDA, then
they deserve all they get, and no amount of moaning will help them...

I have strong feelings about NDAs, and if you break them, then you
deserve all you get - I have been on MANY Betas where I had to sign an
NDA, and have never broken one - if you feel the need to break NDAs,
then you shouldn't agree to them, simple as that

That's my $0.02 anyways ;)



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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Dave Lyons
hum..
who's more of an idiot?
The idiot or the one who calls the idiot an idiot?







- Original Message -
From: Philip Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:54 AM
Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released


  Yeah, and the rest of us who *want* to get on the Betas
  (again) have difficulty.
 
  How's that screening process work again? ;-)

 Simple, idiots who break it by announcing things on lists like this are
 black-listed g

 It's called NON-DISCLOSURE for a reason g



 
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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Michael Tangorre
I agree. I was just commenting on the word choice (idiots). I think a lot of
people get caught up in the hype of being a beta tester and skim over the
NDA... not good I know, but obviously its done or we wouldn't be having this
conversation.

Mike

- Original Message - 
From: Philip Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released


  nicely put thanks for not calling people idiots.

 Anyone who agrees to a NDA, then violates it without a second thought is
 just wishing for problems

 They put the NDA there for a reason - because the information is for NON
 DISCLOSURE!

 Admittedly using the word idiot is a little strong, but if Macromedia
 ban people from future Betas when they flagrantly broke the NDA, then
 they deserve all they get, and no amount of moaning will help them...

 I have strong feelings about NDAs, and if you break them, then you
 deserve all you get - I have been on MANY Betas where I had to sign an
 NDA, and have never broken one - if you feel the need to break NDAs,
 then you shouldn't agree to them, simple as that

 That's my $0.02 anyways ;)



 
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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Nick McClure
Also, Just because MM talks about it, that doesn't mean you are still not
under NDA.

The NDA is there to protect MM, the products, and the consumers.

 -Original Message-
 From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:58 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
 
  nicely put thanks for not calling people idiots.
 
 Anyone who agrees to a NDA, then violates it without a second thought is
 just wishing for problems
 
 They put the NDA there for a reason - because the information is for NON
 DISCLOSURE!
 
 Admittedly using the word idiot is a little strong, but if Macromedia
 ban people from future Betas when they flagrantly broke the NDA, then
 they deserve all they get, and no amount of moaning will help them...
 
 I have strong feelings about NDAs, and if you break them, then you
 deserve all you get - I have been on MANY Betas where I had to sign an
 NDA, and have never broken one - if you feel the need to break NDAs,
 then you shouldn't agree to them, simple as that
 
 That's my $0.02 anyways ;)
 
 
 
 
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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Bryan Stevenson
OK...why doesn't everybody call the mothers of the folks that said Red Sky
on this list and get it over withmabye they'll get their mouths washed
out with soap. ;-)

We all bloody well know what NDAs are...it's up to MM to enforce them...not
the members of this list.

Far more than enough said...come on list police...swing that billy club!!

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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- Original Message -
From: Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released


 Also, Just because MM talks about it, that doesn't mean you are still not
 under NDA.

 The NDA is there to protect MM, the products, and the consumers.

  -Original Message-
  From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:58 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
 
   nicely put thanks for not calling people idiots.
 
  Anyone who agrees to a NDA, then violates it without a second thought is
  just wishing for problems
 
  They put the NDA there for a reason - because the information is for NON
  DISCLOSURE!
 
  Admittedly using the word idiot is a little strong, but if Macromedia
  ban people from future Betas when they flagrantly broke the NDA, then
  they deserve all they get, and no amount of moaning will help them...
 
  I have strong feelings about NDAs, and if you break them, then you
  deserve all you get - I have been on MANY Betas where I had to sign an
  NDA, and have never broken one - if you feel the need to break NDAs,
  then you shouldn't agree to them, simple as that
 
  That's my $0.02 anyways ;)
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Christian Cantrell
We haven't sent out responses to everyone yet, but you should hear  
something by tomorrow afternoon.

Christian

On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 12:13 PM, Bryan Stevenson wrote:

 nopestill tappin my fingers on my desk waiting for some kind of
 notification *sigh*

 Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
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 t. 250.920.8830
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 - Original Message -
 From: David K [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:59 AM
 Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released


 MM recently announced that they were opening up
 the RedSky beta program to new testers. I have
 applied but heard nothing. I'm assuming that this
 will be another case where MM will only contact
 successful applicants. Has anyone else here who
 applied for round 2 heard anything?

 --David K



 - Original Message -
 From: Tilbrook, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:46 PM
 Subject: Red Sky beta 2 released


 For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,  
 available
 at
 the usual place.




 
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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Thanks for the update Christian...Cheers


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- Original Message -
From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released


 We haven't sent out responses to everyone yet, but you should hear
 something by tomorrow afternoon.

 Christian

 On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 12:13 PM, Bryan Stevenson wrote:

  nopestill tappin my fingers on my desk waiting for some kind of
  notification *sigh*
 
  Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
  VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
  Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
  t. 250.920.8830
  e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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  - Original Message -
  From: David K [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:59 AM
  Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released
 
 
  MM recently announced that they were opening up
  the RedSky beta program to new testers. I have
  applied but heard nothing. I'm assuming that this
  will be another case where MM will only contact
  successful applicants. Has anyone else here who
  applied for round 2 heard anything?
 
  --David K
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Tilbrook, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:46 PM
  Subject: Red Sky beta 2 released
 
 
  For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
  available
  at
  the usual place.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Doug White
Got mine a little while ago.

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- Original Message - 
From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released


| We haven't sent out responses to everyone yet, but you should hear
| something by tomorrow afternoon.
|
| Christian
|
| On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 12:13 PM, Bryan Stevenson wrote:
|
|  nopestill tappin my fingers on my desk waiting for some kind of
|  notification *sigh*
| 
|  Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
|  VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
|  Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
|  t. 250.920.8830
|  e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
|  -
|  Macromedia Associate Partner
|  www.macromedia.com
|  -
|  Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
|  Founder  Director
|  www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
|  - Original Message -
|  From: David K [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:59 AM
|  Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released
| 
| 
|  MM recently announced that they were opening up
|  the RedSky beta program to new testers. I have
|  applied but heard nothing. I'm assuming that this
|  will be another case where MM will only contact
|  successful applicants. Has anyone else here who
|  applied for round 2 heard anything?
| 
|  --David K
| 
| 
| 
|  - Original Message -
|  From: Tilbrook, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 3:46 PM
|  Subject: Red Sky beta 2 released
| 
| 
|  For those beta testing Red Sky, MM have just released beta 2,
|  available
|  at
|  the usual place.
| 
| 
| 
| 
| 
| 
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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Cantrell, Adam
It seems that some people confuse private beta's with some type of elitist
recognition, and then feel the need to let everyone know about it. I used to
get a bit irked when 'neo' was under development, and people that didn't
even work at mm would gnash their teeth at others for even bringing up the
word 'neo', but then realized all they want is to let everyone know they're
part of the beta. Knowing this, I don't get as confused - I just wish there
was another way they could be recognized without having to call people
idiots. Maybe mm could make a private beta testers web page, and then the
NDA police could link to it in their sig or something - Private RedSky Beta
Tester - Gold Status www.macromedia.com/elitiny

If they really cared about keeping the beta private, they would email the
person directly and then tattle to MM. I doubt any of them do this - better
to go for the personal recognition ;P

Adam.


 -Original Message-
 From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:28 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released
 
 
 OK...why doesn't everybody call the mothers of the folks that 
 said Red Sky
 on this list and get it over withmabye they'll get their 
 mouths washed
 out with soap. ;-)
 
 We all bloody well know what NDAs are...it's up to MM to 
 enforce them...not
 the members of this list.
 
 Far more than enough said...come on list police...swing that 
 billy club!!
 
 Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
 VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
 Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
 t. 250.920.8830
 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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 - Original Message -
 From: Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:14 AM
 Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
 
 
  Also, Just because MM talks about it, that doesn't mean you 
 are still not
  under NDA.
 
  The NDA is there to protect MM, the products, and the consumers.
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:58 PM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
  
nicely put thanks for not calling people idiots.
  
   Anyone who agrees to a NDA, then violates it without a 
 second thought is
   just wishing for problems
  
   They put the NDA there for a reason - because the 
 information is for NON
   DISCLOSURE!
  
   Admittedly using the word idiot is a little strong, but 
 if Macromedia
   ban people from future Betas when they flagrantly broke 
 the NDA, then
   they deserve all they get, and no amount of moaning will 
 help them...
  
   I have strong feelings about NDAs, and if you break them, then you
   deserve all you get - I have been on MANY Betas where I 
 had to sign an
   NDA, and have never broken one - if you feel the need to 
 break NDAs,
   then you shouldn't agree to them, simple as that
  
   That's my $0.02 anyways ;)
  
  
  
  
  
 
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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Lee Fuller
Uhm...   Naw.. Better leave this one alone too.  Nevermind.  ;)

Lee

(As mother always said -- if you can't say something nice ... )

| -Original Message-
| From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
| Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:28 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: Re: Red Sky beta 2 released
| 
| 
| OK...why doesn't everybody call the mothers of the folks that 
| said Red Sky on this list and get it over withmabye 
| they'll get their mouths washed out with soap. ;-)
| 
| We all bloody well know what NDAs are...it's up to MM to 
| enforce them...not the members of this list.
| 
| Far more than enough said...come on list police...swing that 
| billy club!!
| 
| Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
| VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
| Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
| t. 250.920.8830
| e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
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| Macromedia Associate Partner
| www.macromedia.com
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| Founder  Director
| www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
| - Original Message -
| From: Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:14 AM
| Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
| 
| 
|  Also, Just because MM talks about it, that doesn't mean you 
| are still 
|  not under NDA.
| 
|  The NDA is there to protect MM, the products, and the consumers.
| 
|   -Original Message-
|   From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|   Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:58 PM
|   To: CF-Talk
|   Subject: RE: Red Sky beta 2 released
|  
|nicely put thanks for not calling people idiots.
|  
|   Anyone who agrees to a NDA, then violates it without a second 
|   thought is just wishing for problems
|  
|   They put the NDA there for a reason - because the 
| information is for 
|   NON DISCLOSURE!
|  
|   Admittedly using the word idiot is a little strong, but if 
|   Macromedia ban people from future Betas when they 
| flagrantly broke 
|   the NDA, then they deserve all they get, and no amount of moaning 
|   will help them...
|  
|   I have strong feelings about NDAs, and if you break them, 
| then you 
|   deserve all you get - I have been on MANY Betas where I had to 
|   sign an NDA, and have never broken one - if you feel the need to 
|   break NDAs, then you shouldn't agree to them, simple as that
|  
|   That's my $0.02 anyways ;)
|  
|  
|  
|  
|  
| 
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RE: Red Sky beta 2 released

2003-06-10 Thread Tilbrook, Peter
Strewth, all I stated was the beta 2 was available.


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