RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-11-01 Thread Dave Watts

> OK, so it looks like for what I need (a SQL server on my 
> local development machine -- my 120 eval is about to expire, 
> and I've really started to dig SQL Server), I need the 
> developers edition.  This costs $500.
> 
> With this, I could, if I wanted -- in addition to my usual 
> CF-based development -- create distributable applications?
> 
> Like let's say I have a client -- ok, I do have such a client 
> -- who doesn't want to access the Internet for inventory updates, 
> but wants to do it off line. Could I create a run-time 
> application that I could install on his Win98 machine with 
> nothing else to install (such as his own copy of Access or 
> SQL Server)?

You could do that, but not with SQL Server Developer Edition, which is
simply a variation on the regular SQL Server product with a limited license
for development use only. There's nothing in it that you could redistribute,
in any case.

If you want to build applications in, say, Visual Basic or VC++, that are
local desktop-database interfaces, you can redistribute the Access runtime
or MSDE with your applications - that's what they're for. You could develop
your application against SQL Server Developer Edition, then distribute it
with MSDE, for example.

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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-11-01 Thread Patrick Harkins

Hey gang: I attended an MS developer session where they said that SQL 
Desktop will run you about $50 per seat license. That was probably Canadian 
funds, so that's about, what, $1 American? ;) ...

Patrick Harkins

At 01:11 PM 30/10/2001 -0800, Costas Piliotis wrote:
>And for the most part, it looks like MSDE and Personal Edition are the same
>except the Desktop Edition comes with the Tools (EM, QA, Profiler).  Desktop
>Engine is just the database.
>
>So I don't stand corrected  :-)
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Costas Piliotis
>Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:56 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.
>
>
>Ahhh...  Ooops...  I stand corrected.  There's a first for everything =)
>
>Here's Microsoft's link to a comparison:
>
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/architec/8_
>ar_sa2_9gz4.asp
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:01 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.
>
>
> > It's called msde.  It comes with Office 2000/XP.  Not Really a desktop
> > edition but rather a scaled down implementation of SQL Server.
> >
> > As far as I know, if you have an Office 2000/XP licence, you have a
> > MSDE licence as well.
>
>MSDE isn't the same as SQL Server Desktop Edition. With SQL Server, you
>could install the Desktop Edition on a Windows 98 machine, for example, and
>you'd get the core SQL Server engine (with some pretty severe size and
>functionality limitations) and the Enterprise Manager tools. MSDE, on the
>other hand, is simply the SQL Server engine (with its own, different, set of
>limitations), with no Enterprise Manager tools.
>
>If you develop applications with Visual Studio, you can redistribute MSDE
>with those applications, as an alternative to using Access. You can't
>redistribute SQL Server Desktop Edition.
>
> > Do you need a license to install the desktop version of SQL Server
> > 2000?
>
>As for needing a license to install SQL Server Desktop Edition, I'm sure you
>need one, but I don't know how much it is. You'd also need licenses for
>connections, I suspect, if you were to actually have any connections to it.
>
>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>http://www.figleaf.com/
>voice: (202) 797-5496
>fax: (202) 797-5444
>
>
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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread Jeffry Houser

  : grumble, grumble:  I wish I knew that a year ago. Thanks

At 04:27 PM 10/30/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> > SQL Server 2000 will not install on Windows 9x. You must
> > have either NT or 2000. You can install the client tools,
> > such as Enterprise Manager and Query Analyzer. But, the
> > Server portion will not work. SQL Server 97 worked great.
> > 2000 was a no go.
>
>Au contraire:
>http://www.microsoft.com/sql/evaluation/sysreqs/2000/default.asp
>
>That's the whole purpose of Personal Edition (I'd previously referred to it
>as Desktop Edition, because that's what it was called with SQL 7) - to run
>on Windows 98/ME.
>
>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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>fax: (202) 797-5444
>
>
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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread Owens, Howard

OK, so it looks like for what I need (a SQL server on my local development
machine -- my 120 eval is about to expire, and I've really started to dig
SQL Server), I need the developers edition.  This costs $500.

With this, I could, if I wanted -- in addition to my usual CF-based
development -- create distributable applications?

Like let's say I have a client -- ok, I do have such a client -- who doesn't
want to access the Internet for inventory updates, but wants to do it off
line.  Could I create a run-time application that I could install on his
Win98 machine with nothing else to install (such as his own copy of Access
or SQL Server)?

H

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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread Dave Watts

> SQL Server 2000 will not install on Windows 9x. You must 
> have either NT or 2000. You can install the client tools, 
> such as Enterprise Manager and Query Analyzer. But, the 
> Server portion will not work. SQL Server 97 worked great.
> 2000 was a no go.

Au contraire:
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/evaluation/sysreqs/2000/default.asp

That's the whole purpose of Personal Edition (I'd previously referred to it
as Desktop Edition, because that's what it was called with SQL 7) - to run
on Windows 98/ME.

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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread Mike Craig

Dave Watts of figleaf was correct in two things.  You can get the developers
edition via an MSDN subscription or go to http://www.pparadise.com/ and
search for "SQL Server Developer
Edition"...there are actually a couple of them.  Thanks Dave!

-Original Message-
From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.


  I have one more thing to add to all of this.  ( It is in-line)

At 12:55 PM 10/30/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>Ahhh...  Ooops...  I stand corrected.  There's a first for everything =)
>
>Here's Microsoft's link to a comparison:
>
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/architec/8
_
>ar_sa2_9gz4.asp
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:01 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.
>
>
> > It's called msde.  It comes with Office 2000/XP.  Not Really a
> > desktop edition but rather a scaled down implementation of SQL Server.
> >
> > As far as I know, if you have an Office 2000/XP licence, you have
> > a MSDE licence as well.
>
>MSDE isn't the same as SQL Server Desktop Edition. With SQL Server, you
>could install the Desktop Edition on a Windows 98 machine, for example, and
>you'd get the core SQL Server engine (with some pretty severe size and
>functionality limitations) and the Enterprise Manager tools.

  SQL Server 2000 will not install on Windows 9x .  You must have either NT
or 2000.  You can install the client tools, such as Enterprise Manager and
Query Analyzer.  But, the Server portion will not work.  SQL Server 97
worked great.  2000 was a no go.



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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread Costas Piliotis

And for the most part, it looks like MSDE and Personal Edition are the same
except the Desktop Edition comes with the Tools (EM, QA, Profiler).  Desktop
Engine is just the database.

So I don't stand corrected  :-)



-Original Message-
From: Costas Piliotis 
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.


Ahhh...  Ooops...  I stand corrected.  There's a first for everything =)

Here's Microsoft's link to a comparison:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/architec/8_
ar_sa2_9gz4.asp

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.


> It's called msde.  It comes with Office 2000/XP.  Not Really a desktop 
> edition but rather a scaled down implementation of SQL Server.
> 
> As far as I know, if you have an Office 2000/XP licence, you have a 
> MSDE licence as well.

MSDE isn't the same as SQL Server Desktop Edition. With SQL Server, you
could install the Desktop Edition on a Windows 98 machine, for example, and
you'd get the core SQL Server engine (with some pretty severe size and
functionality limitations) and the Enterprise Manager tools. MSDE, on the
other hand, is simply the SQL Server engine (with its own, different, set of
limitations), with no Enterprise Manager tools.

If you develop applications with Visual Studio, you can redistribute MSDE
with those applications, as an alternative to using Access. You can't
redistribute SQL Server Desktop Edition.

> Do you need a license to install the desktop version of SQL Server 
> 2000?

As for needing a license to install SQL Server Desktop Edition, I'm sure you
need one, but I don't know how much it is. You'd also need licenses for
connections, I suspect, if you were to actually have any connections to it.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444 

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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread Jeffry Houser

  I have one more thing to add to all of this.  ( It is in-line)

At 12:55 PM 10/30/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>Ahhh...  Ooops...  I stand corrected.  There's a first for everything =)
>
>Here's Microsoft's link to a comparison:
>
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/architec/8_
>ar_sa2_9gz4.asp
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:01 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.
>
>
> > It's called msde.  It comes with Office 2000/XP.  Not Really a
> > desktop edition but rather a scaled down implementation of SQL Server.
> >
> > As far as I know, if you have an Office 2000/XP licence, you have
> > a MSDE licence as well.
>
>MSDE isn't the same as SQL Server Desktop Edition. With SQL Server, you
>could install the Desktop Edition on a Windows 98 machine, for example, and
>you'd get the core SQL Server engine (with some pretty severe size and
>functionality limitations) and the Enterprise Manager tools.

  SQL Server 2000 will not install on Windows 9x .  You must have either NT 
or 2000.  You can install the client tools, such as Enterprise Manager and 
Query Analyzer.  But, the Server portion will not work.  SQL Server 97 
worked great.  2000 was a no go.



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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread Costas Piliotis

Ahhh...  Ooops...  I stand corrected.  There's a first for everything =)

Here's Microsoft's link to a comparison:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/architec/8_
ar_sa2_9gz4.asp

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.


> It's called msde.  It comes with Office 2000/XP.  Not Really a
> desktop edition but rather a scaled down implementation of SQL Server.
> 
> As far as I know, if you have an Office 2000/XP licence, you have
> a MSDE licence as well.

MSDE isn't the same as SQL Server Desktop Edition. With SQL Server, you
could install the Desktop Edition on a Windows 98 machine, for example, and
you'd get the core SQL Server engine (with some pretty severe size and
functionality limitations) and the Enterprise Manager tools. MSDE, on the
other hand, is simply the SQL Server engine (with its own, different, set of
limitations), with no Enterprise Manager tools.

If you develop applications with Visual Studio, you can redistribute MSDE
with those applications, as an alternative to using Access. You can't
redistribute SQL Server Desktop Edition.

> Do you need a license to install the desktop version of SQL
> Server 2000?

As for needing a license to install SQL Server Desktop Edition, I'm sure you
need one, but I don't know how much it is. You'd also need licenses for
connections, I suspect, if you were to actually have any connections to it.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread Dave Watts

> Ok...let's say I believe you...where is the developers 
> edition? If you try installing 2000 on a Windows 2000 
> machine the first thing it tells you is that you cannot 
> install it on workstation.

Uh, you have to BUY it. It's a separate product, to the best of my
knowledge. If you're an MSDN subscriber, it's on the same CD as Enterprise
Edition.

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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread Mike Craig

Ok...let's say I believe you...where is the developers edition?  If you try
installing 2000 on a Windows 2000 machine the first thing it tells you is
that you cannot install it on workstation.  Oh...and so no one thinks this
is an off-topic post...boy do I love that ColdFusion stuff...especially the
way it works with SQL.

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.


> oh...i've seen the msde stuff...not real impressed but a
> good desktop mechanism...I was hoping for a full blown
> version of the database server for a workstation like they
> used to have with 6.5 and 7.0.

Well, they do have that. If you just want to install SQL Server on your
workstation for development purposes, you can get SQL Server Developer
Edition, which is functionally the same, more or less, as Enterprise
Edition.

MSDE is a different thing altogether - it's SQL Server without the GUI
tools, designed to support your VB or VC++ apps. It works very well for
that.

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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread Dave Watts

> oh...i've seen the msde stuff...not real impressed but a 
> good desktop mechanism...I was hoping for a full blown 
> version of the database server for a workstation like they 
> used to have with 6.5 and 7.0.

Well, they do have that. If you just want to install SQL Server on your
workstation for development purposes, you can get SQL Server Developer
Edition, which is functionally the same, more or less, as Enterprise
Edition.

MSDE is a different thing altogether - it's SQL Server without the GUI
tools, designed to support your VB or VC++ apps. It works very well for
that.

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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread Mike Craig

oh...i've seen the msde stuff...not real impressed but a good desktop
mechanism...I was hoping for a full blown version of the database server for
a workstation like they used to have with 6.5 and 7.0.

-Original Message-
From: Costas Piliotis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.


It's called msde.  It comes with Office 2000/XP.  Not Really a desktop
edition but rather a scaled down implementation of SQL Server.

As far as I know, if you have an Office 2000/XP licence, you have a MSDE
licence as well.

-Original Message-
From: Mike Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.


There is a desktop version?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:10 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.


Do you need a license to install the desktop version of SQL Server 2000?

Thanks.
Dave








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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread Dave Watts

> It's called msde.  It comes with Office 2000/XP.  Not Really a 
> desktop edition but rather a scaled down implementation of SQL Server.
> 
> As far as I know, if you have an Office 2000/XP licence, you have 
> a MSDE licence as well.

MSDE isn't the same as SQL Server Desktop Edition. With SQL Server, you
could install the Desktop Edition on a Windows 98 machine, for example, and
you'd get the core SQL Server engine (with some pretty severe size and
functionality limitations) and the Enterprise Manager tools. MSDE, on the
other hand, is simply the SQL Server engine (with its own, different, set of
limitations), with no Enterprise Manager tools.

If you develop applications with Visual Studio, you can redistribute MSDE
with those applications, as an alternative to using Access. You can't
redistribute SQL Server Desktop Edition.

> Do you need a license to install the desktop version of SQL 
> Server 2000?

As for needing a license to install SQL Server Desktop Edition, I'm sure you
need one, but I don't know how much it is. You'd also need licenses for
connections, I suspect, if you were to actually have any connections to it.

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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread krisch

Yes, it's actually called "Personal Edition". I'm not sure of the
licencing issues. I would guess that there is at least one licence
included since it comes with the server edition. 

FWIW,

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On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Mike Craig wrote:

> There is a desktop version?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bosky, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:10 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.
> 
> 
> Do you need a license to install the desktop version of SQL Server 2000?
> 
> Thanks.
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread Costas Piliotis

It's called msde.  It comes with Office 2000/XP.  Not Really a desktop
edition but rather a scaled down implementation of SQL Server.

As far as I know, if you have an Office 2000/XP licence, you have a MSDE
licence as well.

-Original Message-
From: Mike Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.


There is a desktop version?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:10 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.


Do you need a license to install the desktop version of SQL Server 2000?

Thanks.
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RE: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.

2001-10-30 Thread Mike Craig

There is a desktop version?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:10 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SQL Server 2000 desktop version.


Do you need a license to install the desktop version of SQL Server 2000?

Thanks.
Dave






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