Re: Spiders and Cold Fusion
> IMO, there is only one search engine that matters anymore and it's Google. That's your opinion, but I disagree. Sure, Google is leaps and bounds better than the other search engines out there, but that doesn't mean you can forget about the rest of them. > IMO, Search engine safe URL's are pretty much a thing of the past. > Almost all bots index pages with query strings.. Google is still the only search engine that can index and follow links with query strings. AltaVista can index them, but the spiders won't follow the links. Nick __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Spiders and Cold Fusion
> IMO, there is only one search engine that matters anymore and it's Google. > They clearly index CF sites since they have 17,600,000 of them listed when > you search for .cfm One important distinction to make in that statement is that while Google will index pages with query strings, it will not give them a PageRank, which hurts your listings in the search engines quite a bit. You definitely want to convert those query strings to index.cfm/id/132 I just wrote an article about Google, PageRank, and internet marketing for WebProNews http://www.webpronews.com/ its on the front page. + Pete Freitag ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) CTO, CFDEV.COM ColdFusion Developer Resources http://www.cfdev.com/ __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Spiders and Cold Fusion
What are you saying that Google is the only search engine that matters. That shows that you don't kow much about search engines positioning. Joel -Original Message- From: Joseph DeVore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Spiders and Cold Fusion IMO, there is only one search engine that matters anymore and it's Google. They clearly index CF sites since they have 17,600,000 of them listed when you search for .cfm http://google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2B.cfm IMO, the people your client hired are idiots and really don't know up from down. IMO, Search engine safe URL's are pretty much a thing of the past. Almost all bots index pages with query strings.. Of course it's not a bad idea to use SES URL's if you can. In regards to creating a static site, that's more work for you. It shouldn't be too hard either using CFHTTP and saving the files to disk. - JD -Original Message- From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Spiders and Cold Fusion One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get them more hits. I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell me "Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages are "fused together". I was ready to laugh in her face. Does anyone know of problems with CF and Search Engine spiders? She wants us to generate an alternative site that is static. __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Spiders and Cold Fusion
I don't find this to be an issue for me. Google, etc. seems to have no trouble indexing all the dynamically generated pages in sites I do that, say, have an info page on each member. What I have had to do, in fact, is trap out people who find a page generated from a database and a passed URL and then click on my "return to results" link. I use client states for the results, and if there the client parameter isn't present, I re-direct them to a search page in lieu of the results page that does not, for this visitor, exist. Hope this is helpful. --James Edmunds Chad Gray wrote: > One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get them > more hits. > > I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell me > "Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages > are "fused together". > > I was ready to laugh in her face. Does anyone know of problems with CF and > Search Engine spiders? She wants us to generate an alternative site that > is static. > > __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Spiders and Cold Fusion
I didn't even know Internet Marketing company's still existed. If the search engine is old and technologically out of date then it might not find dynamic pages. But where I am it's year 2002. On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Chad Gray wrote: > One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get th em > more hits. > > I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell me > "Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages > are "fused together". > > I was ready to laugh in her face. Does anyone know of problems with CF a nd > Search Engine spiders? She wants us to generate an alternative site that > is static. > > __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Spiders and Cold Fusion
In general, search engines do not work against query strings, i.e. URL containing a "?something=x". This is NOT a fault of ColdFusion. There are ways around it, none particularly simple, IMHO. The ColdFusion Developers Journal recently had an article by Ben Forta on techniques for getting around this. Chuck McElwee etech solutions inc www.etechsolutions.com -Original Message- From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Spiders and Cold Fusion One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get them more hits. I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell me "Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages are "fused together". I was ready to laugh in her face. Does anyone know of problems with CF and Search Engine spiders? She wants us to generate an alternative site that is static. __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Spiders and Cold Fusion
Spiders bad, good. ;) Seriously, one time an in-house "Quality Assurance Tester" went through one of my ADMIN ONLY sites with a spider one time. He logged in and set the spider loose. It was very bad. The spider took to clicking every link in the site. Flipping ever bit flag that had a link on it. Switching all kinds of things on and off. It took me a while to figure out what happened too. If you are going to be hit buy a spider, make sure you don't have any links that delete records. My boss made sure no more testing was done with spiders! Justin Hansen -- Ulgih Communications Web Developer / Programmer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 913-498-0123 ext 284 -- -Original Message- From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Spiders and Cold Fusion One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get them more hits. I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell me "Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages are "fused together". I was ready to laugh in her face. Does anyone know of problems with CF and Search Engine spiders? She wants us to generate an alternative site that is static. __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Spiders and Cold Fusion
I really wonder about the whole 'spiders wont index your dynamic pages' thing. www.cflib.org is 90% dynamic pages, and we get spidered by all the big boys. I don't know what I'm missing by not using the foo.cfm/udf/2 type syntax. Is this really an issue in these 'modern' times? === Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo IM : morpheus "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda > -Original Message- > From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:56 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Spiders and Cold Fusion > > > Yup they are correct (although some engines are making > headway in that area). Go to Forta.com and > find Ben's article on making your site search engine accessible. > > Actually this same topic flew through the list yesterday...so > check the archives. > > HTH > > Bryan Stevenson > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > p. 250.920.8830 __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Spiders and Cold Fusion
IMO, there is only one search engine that matters anymore and it's Google. They clearly index CF sites since they have 17,600,000 of them listed when you search for .cfm http://google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2B.cfm IMO, the people your client hired are idiots and really don't know up from down. IMO, Search engine safe URL's are pretty much a thing of the past. Almost all bots index pages with query strings.. Of course it's not a bad idea to use SES URL's if you can. In regards to creating a static site, that's more work for you. It shouldn't be too hard either using CFHTTP and saving the files to disk. - JD -Original Message- From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Spiders and Cold Fusion One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get them more hits. I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell me "Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages are "fused together". I was ready to laugh in her face. Does anyone know of problems with CF and Search Engine spiders? She wants us to generate an alternative site that is static. __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Spiders and Cold Fusion
Whoops.. i am a true believer in searching the archives first. I was so worked up after that phone call i just posted. Thanks for the tips guys, i will check out Ben's article. At 01:55 PM 3/7/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Yup they are correct (although some engines are making headway in that >area). Go to Forta.com and >find Ben's article on making your site search engine accessible. > >Actually this same topic flew through the list yesterday...so check the >archives. > >HTH > >Bryan Stevenson >VP & Director of E-Commerce Development >Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. >p. 250.920.8830 >e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] >- >Macromedia Associate Partner >www.macromedia.com >- >Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group >Founder & Director >www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > >- Original Message - >From: "Chad Gray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:56 PM >Subject: Spiders and Cold Fusion > > > > One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get them > > more hits. > > > > I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell me > > "Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages > > are "fused together". > > > > I was ready to laugh in her face. Does anyone know of problems with CF and > > Search Engine spiders? She wants us to generate an alternative site that > > is static. > > > > > __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Spiders and Cold Fusion
I had the same thing said to me. The Ben Forta article on it is grea t. This is such a funny topic...Just tell them to type in .cfm in any search engine and look at all the pages that show up.I wou ld suggust telling your clients to fire them...If they claim to be what they are they would know this... >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/07/02 04:56PM >>> One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help ge t them more hits. I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tel l me "Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pa ges are "fused together". I was ready to laugh in her face. Does anyone know of problems with CF and Search Engine spiders? She wants us to generate an alternative site that is static. _ _ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Spiders and Cold Fusion
Yup they are correct (although some engines are making headway in that area). Go to Forta.com and find Ben's article on making your site search engine accessible. Actually this same topic flew through the list yesterday...so check the archives. HTH Bryan Stevenson VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Chad Gray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: Spiders and Cold Fusion > One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get them > more hits. > > I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell me > "Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages > are "fused together". > > I was ready to laugh in her face. Does anyone know of problems with CF and > Search Engine spiders? She wants us to generate an alternative site that > is static. > > __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
