Re: Spiders and Cold Fusion

2002-03-08 Thread Nick Bourgeois

> IMO, there is only one search engine that matters anymore and it's Google.

That's your opinion, but I disagree.  Sure, Google is leaps and bounds
better than the other search engines out there, but that doesn't mean you
can forget about the rest of them.

> IMO, Search engine safe URL's are pretty much a thing of the past.
> Almost all bots index pages with query strings..

Google is still the only search engine that can index and follow links with
query strings.  AltaVista can index them, but the spiders won't follow the
links.

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RE: Spiders and Cold Fusion

2002-03-07 Thread Pete Freitag

> IMO, there is only one search engine that matters anymore and it's Google.
> They clearly index CF sites since they have 17,600,000 of them listed when
> you search for .cfm

One important distinction to make in that statement is that while Google
will index pages with query strings, it will not give them a PageRank, which
hurts your listings in the search engines quite a bit.  You definitely want
to convert those query strings to index.cfm/id/132

I just wrote an article about Google, PageRank, and internet marketing for
WebProNews http://www.webpronews.com/ its on the front page.

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RE: Spiders and Cold Fusion

2002-03-07 Thread Joel Blanchette

What are you saying that Google is the only search engine that matters.
That shows that you don't kow much about search engines positioning.

 
 
Joel


-Original Message-
From: Joseph DeVore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Spiders and Cold Fusion


IMO, there is only one search engine that matters anymore and it's
Google. They clearly index CF sites since they have 17,600,000 of them
listed when you search for .cfm

http://google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2B.cfm

IMO, the people your client hired are idiots and really don't know up
from down.

IMO, Search engine safe URL's are pretty much a thing of the past.
Almost all bots index pages with query strings..

Of course it's not a bad idea to use SES URL's if you can.

In regards to creating a static site, that's more work for you. It
shouldn't be too hard either using CFHTTP and saving the files to disk.

- JD



-Original Message-
From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Spiders and Cold Fusion


One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get
them more hits.

I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell
me "Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the
pages are "fused together".

I was ready to laugh in her face.  Does anyone know of problems with CF
and Search Engine spiders?  She wants us to generate an alternative site
that is static.



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Re: Spiders and Cold Fusion

2002-03-07 Thread JamesEdmunds

I don't find this to be an issue for me. Google, etc. seems to have no trouble
indexing all the dynamically generated pages in sites I do that, say, have an
info page on each member.

What I have had to do, in fact, is trap out people who find a page generated
from a database and a passed URL and then click on my "return to results" link.
I use client states for the results, and if there the client parameter isn't
present, I re-direct them to a search page in lieu of the results page that
does not, for this visitor, exist.

Hope this is helpful.

--James Edmunds

Chad Gray wrote:

> One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get them
> more hits.
>
> I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell me
> "Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages
> are "fused together".
>
> I was ready to laugh in her face.  Does anyone know of problems with CF and
> Search Engine spiders?  She wants us to generate an alternative site that
> is static.
>
> 
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Re: Spiders and Cold Fusion

2002-03-07 Thread Alex

I didn't even know Internet Marketing company's still existed. If the
search engine is old and technologically out of date then it might not
find dynamic pages. But where I am it's year 2002.

On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Chad Gray wrote:

> One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get th
em 
> more hits.
> 
> I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell me
 
> "Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages
 
> are "fused together".
> 
> I was ready to laugh in her face.  Does anyone know of problems with CF a
nd 
> Search Engine spiders?  She wants us to generate an alternative site that
 
> is static.
> 
> 
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RE: Spiders and Cold Fusion

2002-03-07 Thread Chuck McElwee

In general, search engines do not work against query strings, i.e. URL
containing a "?something=x".  This is NOT a fault of ColdFusion.  There are
ways around it, none particularly simple, IMHO.  The ColdFusion Developers
Journal recently had an article by Ben Forta on techniques for getting
around this.

Chuck McElwee
etech solutions inc
www.etechsolutions.com


-Original Message-
From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Spiders and Cold Fusion


One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get them
more hits.

I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell me
"Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages
are "fused together".

I was ready to laugh in her face.  Does anyone know of problems with CF and
Search Engine spiders?  She wants us to generate an alternative site that
is static.


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RE: Spiders and Cold Fusion

2002-03-07 Thread Justin Hansen

Spiders bad,  good. ;)

Seriously, one time an in-house "Quality Assurance Tester" went through one
of my ADMIN ONLY sites with a spider one time. He logged in and set the
spider loose. It was very bad. The spider took to clicking every link in the
site. Flipping ever bit flag that had a link on it. Switching all kinds of
things on and off. It took me a while to figure out what happened too. If
you are going to be hit buy a spider, make sure you don't have any links
that delete records. My boss made sure no more testing was done with
spiders!

Justin Hansen
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-Original Message-
From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Spiders and Cold Fusion


One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get them
more hits.

I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell me
"Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages
are "fused together".

I was ready to laugh in her face.  Does anyone know of problems with CF and
Search Engine spiders?  She wants us to generate an alternative site that
is static.


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RE: Spiders and Cold Fusion

2002-03-07 Thread Raymond Camden

I really wonder about the whole 'spiders wont index your dynamic pages'
thing. www.cflib.org is 90% dynamic pages, and we get spidered by all
the big boys. I don't know what I'm missing by not using the
foo.cfm/udf/2 type syntax. Is this really an issue in these 'modern'
times?

===
Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yahoo IM : morpheus

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda 

> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:56 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Spiders and Cold Fusion
> 
> 
> Yup they are correct (although some engines are making 
> headway in that area).  Go to Forta.com and
> find Ben's article on making your site search engine accessible.
> 
> Actually this same topic flew through the list yesterday...so 
> check the archives.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Bryan Stevenson
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> p. 250.920.8830
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RE: Spiders and Cold Fusion

2002-03-07 Thread Joseph DeVore

IMO, there is only one search engine that matters anymore and it's Google.
They clearly index CF sites since they have 17,600,000 of them listed when
you search for .cfm

http://google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2B.cfm

IMO, the people your client hired are idiots and really don't know up from
down.

IMO, Search engine safe URL's are pretty much a thing of the past.
Almost all bots index pages with query strings..

Of course it's not a bad idea to use SES URL's if you can.

In regards to creating a static site, that's more work for you.
It shouldn't be too hard either using CFHTTP and saving the files to disk.

- JD



-Original Message-
From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Spiders and Cold Fusion


One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get them
more hits.

I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell me
"Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages
are "fused together".

I was ready to laugh in her face.  Does anyone know of problems with CF and
Search Engine spiders?  She wants us to generate an alternative site that
is static.


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Re: Spiders and Cold Fusion

2002-03-07 Thread Chad Gray

Whoops.. i am a true believer in searching the archives first.  I was so 
worked up after that phone call i just posted.

Thanks for the tips guys, i will check out Ben's article.



At 01:55 PM 3/7/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Yup they are correct (although some engines are making headway in that 
>area).  Go to Forta.com and
>find Ben's article on making your site search engine accessible.
>
>Actually this same topic flew through the list yesterday...so check the 
>archives.
>
>HTH
>
>Bryan Stevenson
>VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
>Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
>p. 250.920.8830
>e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>-
>Macromedia Associate Partner
>www.macromedia.com
>-
>Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
>Founder & Director
>www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Chad Gray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:56 PM
>Subject: Spiders and Cold Fusion
>
>
> > One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get
 them
> > more hits.
> >
> > I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell
 me
> > "Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages
> > are "fused together".
> >
> > I was ready to laugh in her face.  Does anyone know of problems with CF
 and
> > Search Engine spiders?  She wants us to generate an alternative site
 that
> > is static.
> >
> >
>
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Re: Spiders and Cold Fusion

2002-03-07 Thread Michael Ross

I had the same thing said to me.  The Ben Forta article on it is grea
t.   This is such a funny topic...Just tell them to type in .cfm 
in any search engine and look at all the pages that show up.I wou
ld suggust telling your clients to fire them...If they claim 
to be what they are they would know this...

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/07/02 04:56PM >>>
One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help ge
t them 
more hits.

I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tel
l me 
"Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pa
ges 
are "fused together".

I was ready to laugh in her face.  Does anyone know of problems with 
CF and 
Search Engine spiders?  She wants us to generate an alternative site 
that 
is static.

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Re: Spiders and Cold Fusion

2002-03-07 Thread Bryan Stevenson

Yup they are correct (although some engines are making headway in that area).  Go to 
Forta.com and
find Ben's article on making your site search engine accessible.

Actually this same topic flew through the list yesterday...so check the archives.

HTH

Bryan Stevenson
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
p. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Macromedia Associate Partner
www.macromedia.com
-
Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
Founder & Director
www.cfug-vancouverisland.com

- Original Message -
From: "Chad Gray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:56 PM
Subject: Spiders and Cold Fusion


> One of out clients has hired an Internet Marketing company to help get them
> more hits.
>
> I just got a call from one of their reps, and they were trying to tell me
> "Cold Fusion will not work with search engine spiders" because the pages
> are "fused together".
>
> I was ready to laugh in her face.  Does anyone know of problems with CF and
> Search Engine spiders?  She wants us to generate an alternative site that
> is static.
>
> 
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