Re: ultradev STUDIO =)
Actually, UD doesn't do PHP yet. -- Billy Cravens HR Web Development, Sabre [EMAIL PROTECTED] William Wheatley wrote: For the love of god dont make Ultradev to be STUDIO all in one, i like CF STUDIO because it lets you have the flat text based editing and you can right click on any tag and edit it..then ultradev is great for GRAPHIC development, though ultradev does butcher some CF code if you drag and drop sometimes. I think that is due to the fact that Ultradev is tryign to be an END all it does ASP, JSP, PHP CF =) since you guys own the company now maybe making UD focus more on CF first makign it perfect and then get it to run all the other program next. But if you can get Ultradev to integrate EVERYTHIGN about CF STUDIO (except the memory hogging, and the continous crashing) I think it would be a great product, but you might want to do what allaire did, they had HOMESITE, then to make CF STUDIO they just took HOMESITE and added some CF stuff to it and walla!.. Maybe take UD and add a CF MODE to it that opens a window like CF STUDIO to do text based working?? I don tknow just dont forget about the CF RDS integration i hate FTPing =) Thx thats my 2 cents i know you guys will get it right Bill Wheatley Director of Development Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner www.aeps.com www.aeps2000.com 954-472-6684 X303 ICQ: 417645 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: ultradev STUDIO =)
Not out of the box, but the guys below are making an amazing job http://www.interakt.ro/phakt/ Massimo Billy Cravens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Actually, UD doesn't do PHP yet. ..cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Ultradev Studio
Mark, I'm inclined to agree with you. Dreamweaver for all intent and purposes is a fine product for the visual web designer. As far as code development goes it just doesn't cut it - which is why I imagine they ship HomeSite with Dreamweaver for code cutting purposes. ColdFusion Studio - at least version 4.5.2 SP2 - is a fine product, finally. Admittedly I am still running 4.0 until I get the time to install the latest release. 4.0 does not save files as zero bytes which later version did regularly. Rather than merge a product like Studio/HomeSite into UltraDev (expensive product is UltraDev for what it claims to do) update CF Studio 4.5.1 to include new CF5.0 support. After all these years the 4.5 product is now totally indespensible. If it aint broke dont fix it! -Original Message- From: Mark Terrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 4 May 2001 13:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ultradev Studio Our CFUG had a macromedia rep come talk to us the other night. apparently ultradev studio are being merged into ONE product...ie the code window of ultradev will be like studio personally I think that this is the worst possible decision that macromedia could possibly make. they may like their trippy looking ultradev product...but a vast populace of cf'ers don't. when the macromedia guy told us of this product merge, he suddenly had a roomful of *extremely* irate programmers. whatever macromedia does, they shouldn't wreck the good relationship that allaire built up with us at ground level. leave bloody ultradev to the graphic designers and leave us in peace with our intimitely favourite memory chewing dev tool. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Ultradev Studio
MM has already announced that there will be one more version of Studio which will come out sometime after the release of CF 5.0 Server. Then I thought they said they're looking to create an UltraDev/CFStudio/JRunStudio tool since CF 6.0 will run on the JRun platform. Did anyone else understand that? To me, it makes sense. I imagine it will be a bit pricier, but man, what a powerful tool that would be. I'm not a WYSIWYG guy, and I love Studio just the way it is, but if Fireworks is bundled in like it is with UD now, and the Flash tools UD and the next Studio (Harpoon) have, seems like the perfect fit to me. Dave - Original Message - From: Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 2:20 AM Subject: RE: Ultradev Studio Mark, I'm inclined to agree with you. Dreamweaver for all intent and purposes is a fine product for the visual web designer. As far as code development goes it just doesn't cut it - which is why I imagine they ship HomeSite with Dreamweaver for code cutting purposes. ColdFusion Studio - at least version 4.5.2 SP2 - is a fine product, finally. Admittedly I am still running 4.0 until I get the time to install the latest release. 4.0 does not save files as zero bytes which later version did regularly. Rather than merge a product like Studio/HomeSite into UltraDev (expensive product is UltraDev for what it claims to do) update CF Studio 4.5.1 to include new CF5.0 support. After all these years the 4.5 product is now totally indespensible. If it aint broke dont fix it! -Original Message- From: Mark Terrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 4 May 2001 13:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ultradev Studio Our CFUG had a macromedia rep come talk to us the other night. apparently ultradev studio are being merged into ONE product...ie the code window of ultradev will be like studio personally I think that this is the worst possible decision that macromedia could possibly make. they may like their trippy looking ultradev product...but a vast populace of cf'ers don't. when the macromedia guy told us of this product merge, he suddenly had a roomful of *extremely* irate programmers. whatever macromedia does, they shouldn't wreck the good relationship that allaire built up with us at ground level. leave bloody ultradev to the graphic designers and leave us in peace with our intimitely favourite memory chewing dev tool. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Ultradev Studio
Well, the returned record sets for stored procedures that you get in UltraDev would be a nice addition to Studio. - Original Message - From: Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:20 PM Subject: RE: Ultradev Studio Mark, I'm inclined to agree with you. Dreamweaver for all intent and purposes is a fine product for the visual web designer. As far as code development goes it just doesn't cut it - which is why I imagine they ship HomeSite with Dreamweaver for code cutting purposes. ColdFusion Studio - at least version 4.5.2 SP2 - is a fine product, finally. Admittedly I am still running 4.0 until I get the time to install the latest release. 4.0 does not save files as zero bytes which later version did regularly. Rather than merge a product like Studio/HomeSite into UltraDev (expensive product is UltraDev for what it claims to do) update CF Studio 4.5.1 to include new CF5.0 support. After all these years the 4.5 product is now totally indespensible. If it aint broke dont fix it! -Original Message- From: Mark Terrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 4 May 2001 13:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ultradev Studio Our CFUG had a macromedia rep come talk to us the other night. apparently ultradev studio are being merged into ONE product...ie the code window of ultradev will be like studio personally I think that this is the worst possible decision that macromedia could possibly make. they may like their trippy looking ultradev product...but a vast populace of cf'ers don't. when the macromedia guy told us of this product merge, he suddenly had a roomful of *extremely* irate programmers. whatever macromedia does, they shouldn't wreck the good relationship that allaire built up with us at ground level. leave bloody ultradev to the graphic designers and leave us in peace with our intimitely favourite memory chewing dev tool. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Ultradev Studio
This is from the Allaire website: Is the long-term plan to combine ColdFusion Studio and UltraDev? We plan to continue to bundle ColdFusion Studio with UltraDev as we are with ColdFusion 4.5 UltraDev 4 Studio and over time more closely integrate these products. Our mission is to listen to users and build great tools for ColdFusion developers. We recognize that different developers have different needs, and that neither exceptional visual development tools nor superb code-based development will solve the needs of all developers. As such, we are firmly committed to improving the development experience for both. That should clear up this discussion a little, Rich -Original Message- From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ultradev Studio Well, the returned record sets for stored procedures that you get in UltraDev would be a nice addition to Studio. - Original Message - From: Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:20 PM Subject: RE: Ultradev Studio Mark, I'm inclined to agree with you. Dreamweaver for all intent and purposes is a fine product for the visual web designer. As far as code development goes it just doesn't cut it - which is why I imagine they ship HomeSite with Dreamweaver for code cutting purposes. ColdFusion Studio - at least version 4.5.2 SP2 - is a fine product, finally. Admittedly I am still running 4.0 until I get the time to install the latest release. 4.0 does not save files as zero bytes which later version did regularly. Rather than merge a product like Studio/HomeSite into UltraDev (expensive product is UltraDev for what it claims to do) update CF Studio 4.5.1 to include new CF5.0 support. After all these years the 4.5 product is now totally indespensible. If it aint broke dont fix it! -Original Message- From: Mark Terrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 4 May 2001 13:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ultradev Studio Our CFUG had a macromedia rep come talk to us the other night. apparently ultradev studio are being merged into ONE product...ie the code window of ultradev will be like studio personally I think that this is the worst possible decision that macromedia could possibly make. they may like their trippy looking ultradev product...but a vast populace of cf'ers don't. when the macromedia guy told us of this product merge, he suddenly had a roomful of *extremely* irate programmers. whatever macromedia does, they shouldn't wreck the good relationship that allaire built up with us at ground level. leave bloody ultradev to the graphic designers and leave us in peace with our intimitely favourite memory chewing dev tool. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Ultradev Studio
Thank you Rich, I find it some what funny that a company like MM/A, with as much experience as they have, posts ultra vague descriptions of bundling ColdFusion Studio with UltraDev. And Us on this list panic about loosing our favorite tool. What was MM/A thinking? I am in favor of closer integration of the two tools... as long as I can have a stand alone ColdFusion Studio. I would really hate to see MM/A start making M$ type products. Once you start using one M$ tool you have to buy another to work with the first tool etc... Kinda reminds me of a quote from yoda, once you start down the dark path forever will it dominate your destiny. My $.02 worth Mark W. Breneman -Cold Fusion Developer -Network Administrator Vivid Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vividmedia.com 608.270.9770 -Original Message- From: ibtoad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Ultradev Studio This is from the Allaire website: Is the long-term plan to combine ColdFusion Studio and UltraDev? We plan to continue to bundle ColdFusion Studio with UltraDev as we are with ColdFusion 4.5 UltraDev 4 Studio and over time more closely integrate these products. Our mission is to listen to users and build great tools for ColdFusion developers. We recognize that different developers have different needs, and that neither exceptional visual development tools nor superb code-based development will solve the needs of all developers. As such, we are firmly committed to improving the development experience for both. That should clear up this discussion a little, Rich -Original Message- From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ultradev Studio Well, the returned record sets for stored procedures that you get in UltraDev would be a nice addition to Studio. - Original Message - From: Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:20 PM Subject: RE: Ultradev Studio Mark, I'm inclined to agree with you. Dreamweaver for all intent and purposes is a fine product for the visual web designer. As far as code development goes it just doesn't cut it - which is why I imagine they ship HomeSite with Dreamweaver for code cutting purposes. ColdFusion Studio - at least version 4.5.2 SP2 - is a fine product, finally. Admittedly I am still running 4.0 until I get the time to install the latest release. 4.0 does not save files as zero bytes which later version did regularly. Rather than merge a product like Studio/HomeSite into UltraDev (expensive product is UltraDev for what it claims to do) update CF Studio 4.5.1 to include new CF5.0 support. After all these years the 4.5 product is now totally indespensible. If it aint broke dont fix it! -Original Message- From: Mark Terrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 4 May 2001 13:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ultradev Studio Our CFUG had a macromedia rep come talk to us the other night. apparently ultradev studio are being merged into ONE product...ie the code window of ultradev will be like studio personally I think that this is the worst possible decision that macromedia could possibly make. they may like their trippy looking ultradev product...but a vast populace of cf'ers don't. when the macromedia guy told us of this product merge, he suddenly had a roomful of *extremely* irate programmers. whatever macromedia does, they shouldn't wreck the good relationship that allaire built up with us at ground level. leave bloody ultradev to the graphic designers and leave us in peace with our intimitely favourite memory chewing dev tool. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Ultradev Studio
Our CFUG had a macromedia rep come talk to us the other night. apparently ultradev studio are being merged into ONE product...ie the code window of ultradev will be like studio personally I think that this is the worst possible decision that macromedia could possibly make. they may like their trippy looking ultradev product...but a vast populace of cf'ers don't. when the macromedia guy told us of this product merge, he suddenly had a roomful of *extremely* irate programmers. whatever macromedia does, they shouldn't wreck the good relationship that allaire built up with us at ground level. leave bloody ultradev to the graphic designers and leave us in peace with our intimitely favourite memory chewing dev tool. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
