RE: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??
LOL! Fair point there! But what's in a name? A coder by any other name would code just a neat! :) J -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 17:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer?? Dave, at the end of the day it boils down to semiology - ye may as well call them ducks and dogs ... That sounds like Humpty Dumpty's argument: a word means exactly what I want it to mean, no more and no less. (My quote is probably inexact, though. Sorry.) Just one word of warning; I know some self-described coders who would belt you with their X86 assembler references and/or MFC documentation if you used that description for them. They wouldn't care for ducks or dogs either, for that matter. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??
I think the insinuation is that a coder is an HTML- or web-programmer-type (ASP, PHP, etc.) without OO experience, whereas a programmer is someone with an OO background. Just my take on it, I'll reserve my opinion of just how asinine that statement is. Pete - Original Message - From: Matthew R. Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: OT: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer?? Just wanting to know. IMHO - Fusebox is a methodology with a lot of dedicated followers - if you come to CF from a coders background it's very rare for you to adopt fusebox (unless you are first taught this way), however if you come to CF from a programmers background you will take to fusebox like a java built duck to object oriented water. - Matt Small __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??
(Shouldn't this be on CF-Community?) In my world the distinction is not OO based... Object Oriented is a more advanced programming technique, but you have to remember those who program in non-Object capable languages (and there are a lot of them). There were people referred to as Programmers long before the concept of Object Oriented development came along. I've programmed in Pascal, Basic, Fortran, Assembly and an obscure language written for the military called Atlas. They are all structured or line-based languages that are not capable of handling object oriented concepts, but that does not invalidate the people who program in them. I've always seen Coders as people who know the syntax of a single language. A programmer is someone who can take a high-order concept and implement it in any language given time to become familiar with syntax. Hatton Pete Ruckelshaus wrote: I think the insinuation is that a coder is an HTML- or web-programmer-type (ASP, PHP, etc.) without OO experience, whereas a programmer is someone with an OO background. Just my take on it, I'll reserve my opinion of just how asinine that statement is. Pete - Original Message - From: Matthew R. Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: OT: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer?? Just wanting to know. IMHO - Fusebox is a methodology with a lot of dedicated followers - if you come to CF from a coders background it's very rare for you to adopt fusebox (unless you are first taught this way), however if you come to CF from a programmers background you will take to fusebox like a java built duck to object oriented water. - Matt Small __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??
At 09:40 AM 3/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: (Shouldn't this be on CF-Community?) In my world the distinction is not OO based... Object Oriented is a more advanced programming technique, but you have to remember those who program in non-Object capable languages (and there are a lot of them). There were people referred to as Programmers long before the concept of Object Oriented development came along. Actually, I think you mean long before the concept of Object Oriented programming was put into practice. Based on my understanding, OO is just as old as Procedural Programming. Wasn't Object Oriented programming one of the 'technologies' developed at Xerox Parc, along with the GUI operating system (which went to Apple ) and Ethernet ? -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Web Developer? Contact me! AIM: Reboog711 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??
There were people referred to as Programmers long before the concept of Object Oriented development came along. Actually, I think you mean long before the concept of Object Oriented programming was put into practice. Based on my understanding, OO is just as old as Procedural Programming. Wasn't Object Oriented programming one of the 'technologies' developed at Xerox Parc, along with the GUI operating system (which went to Apple ) and Ethernet ? Quite possibly, but that's an answer that I can't give. Hatton __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??
Subject: OT: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer?? Just wanting to know. Coder is a slang term for programmer, that's all. There's no difference. I think that the original poster was using the slang term to imply sloppyness, or lack of precision. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??
Coder/Programmer is synonymous. There is no difference - they both write code. The difference probably should be designer vs. coder/programmer, where designers can cope with flat stuff, but generally have no idea how to structure applications. Writing HTML is hardly coding - its only a complex mark up language, not a programming language. Regards Stephen PS. SIMULA I (1962-65) and Simula 67 (1967) are the two first object-oriented languages. - Original Message - From: Pete Ruckelshaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: Re: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer?? I think the insinuation is that a coder is an HTML- or web-programmer-type (ASP, PHP, etc.) without OO experience, whereas a programmer is someone with an OO background. Just my take on it, I'll reserve my opinion of just how asinine that statement is. Pete - Original Message - From: Matthew R. Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: OT: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer?? Just wanting to know. IMHO - Fusebox is a methodology with a lot of dedicated followers - if you come to CF from a coders background it's very rare for you to adopt fusebox (unless you are first taught this way), however if you come to CF from a programmers background you will take to fusebox like a java built duck to object oriented water. __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??
Coder = Someone who can work predominately with Mark Up languages Programmer = Someone who can work predominately with lower level languages Just terms we use here when invoicing clients. J -Original Message- From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 14:29 To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer?? Just wanting to know. IMHO - Fusebox is a methodology with a lot of dedicated followers - if you come to CF from a coders background it's very rare for you to adopt fusebox (unless you are first taught this way), however if you come to CF from a programmers background you will take to fusebox like a java built duck to object oriented water. - Matt Small __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??
Coder = Someone who can work predominately with Mark Up languages coder != someone who can work with markup languages That's not coding. It's authoring, or formatting. I worked with markup languages (primarily as a technical writer) long before HTML became popular, and I was never a coder or a programmer in any meaningful sense during that time. I always pitied those programmers, because they had to work such long hours. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??
Dave, at the end of the day it boils down to semiology - ye may as well call them ducks and dogs - we differ our billing around whether someone could (for example) buy a magazine, install a free dreamweaver trial and build a web page (duck/coder/muppet/whatever) and someone who can write (for example) a unique bespoke application built in Java and plugged in as a CFX Applet (dog/programmer/guru/whatever-plus-plus) - therefore we bill coder work as work that involves formatting, authouring, using describing code and we bill programming as work that involves an understanding of well formed programming languages - hence my argument that those people coming to Fusebox from a page formatting history will find it harder to understand and adopt that those who come to Fusebox from an Object Oriented history :) J -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 17:07 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer?? Coder = Someone who can work predominately with Mark Up languages coder != someone who can work with markup languages That's not coding. It's authoring, or formatting. I worked with markup languages (primarily as a technical writer) long before HTML became popular, and I was never a coder or a programmer in any meaningful sense during that time. I always pitied those programmers, because they had to work such long hours. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What's the difference between a coder and a programmer??
Dave, at the end of the day it boils down to semiology - ye may as well call them ducks and dogs ... That sounds like Humpty Dumpty's argument: a word means exactly what I want it to mean, no more and no less. (My quote is probably inexact, though. Sorry.) Just one word of warning; I know some self-described coders who would belt you with their X86 assembler references and/or MFC documentation if you used that description for them. They wouldn't care for ducks or dogs either, for that matter. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
