RE: interviews (was Certification)
Interviews can be quite tricky. I generally find that employers really don't know what questions to ask to find out if a candidate knows their stuff. Usually the questions are very open ended, such as what do you think of OOP or Frameworks, rather than give me an example of OOP using CFML or tell me what makes a framework. This often stems from the fact there there is no-one else within the company with the required skills to determine if the people they are interviewing have the required skills. Which makes the interviewee look bad because he isn't given the opportunity to show how good he is. Bit of a catch-22 that one. One of the services I provide as a consultant, is that I will shortlist candidates and do the testing and interviewing for them. Generally I don't put too much stock in peoples CV's as lots of experience may not mean their good, and lack of experience may not mean their bad, and some people are just crap at writing CV's. Thus why I generally get everyone to take the online test to determine their CF/SQL/HTML/CSS skills. The interview is then to determine theie social skills, interaction, personality, how they deal with stress, problem solving etc. I will prepare an interview according to the role and job requirements, creating real scenarios and seeing how the candidate deals with them. I.E. provide them with a problem and ask them how they would deal with it. Provide them with a coding problem and ask them how they would approach it and solve it. -- Russ Michaels -Original Message- From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (ASI-AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 December 2006 12:04 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Certification Russ, You want to share that test? We've had many times where we needed to hire a contractor and when they got here even though they interviewed well and had good cf resumes, the didn't know the even the simple things. It seems a lot of temp agencies (for lack of a better term) coach their contractors on how to bs their way in. Steve ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:264260 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: interviews (was Certification)
I take a different tact when interviewing. We have developed a test consists of just two questions - neither of which are taxing from a CF point of view. The point of the tests are that you need to have a basic grasp of CF, but more importantly need to thinking in the right way. Any monkey can learn CF, but only some monkeys can think the way a good developer needs to (and that's a lot harder to teach). Neil On 12/17/06, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interviews can be quite tricky. I generally find that employers really don't know what questions to ask to find out if a candidate knows their stuff. Usually the questions are very open ended, such as what do you think of OOP or Frameworks, rather than give me an example of OOP using CFML or tell me what makes a framework. This often stems from the fact there there is no-one else within the company with the required skills to determine if the people they are interviewing have the required skills. Which makes the interviewee look bad because he isn't given the opportunity to show how good he is. Bit of a catch-22 that one. One of the services I provide as a consultant, is that I will shortlist candidates and do the testing and interviewing for them. Generally I don't put too much stock in peoples CV's as lots of experience may not mean their good, and lack of experience may not mean their bad, and some people are just crap at writing CV's. Thus why I generally get everyone to take the online test to determine their CF/SQL/HTML/CSS skills. The interview is then to determine theie social skills, interaction, personality, how they deal with stress, problem solving etc. I will prepare an interview according to the role and job requirements, creating real scenarios and seeing how the candidate deals with them. I.E. provide them with a problem and ask them how they would deal with it. Provide them with a coding problem and ask them how they would approach it and solve it. -- Russ Michaels -Original Message- From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (ASI-AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 December 2006 12:04 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Certification Russ, You want to share that test? We've had many times where we needed to hire a contractor and when they got here even though they interviewed well and had good cf resumes, the didn't know the even the simple things. It seems a lot of temp agencies (for lack of a better term) coach their contractors on how to bs their way in. Steve ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:264261 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: interviews (was Certification)
And you only have to pay them in bananas...:-) This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Neil Middleton To: CF-Talk Sent: Sun Dec 17 13:40:26 2006 Subject: Re: interviews (was Certification) I take a different tact when interviewing. We have developed a test consists of just two questions - neither of which are taxing from a CF point of view. The point of the tests are that you need to have a basic grasp of CF, but more importantly need to thinking in the right way. Any monkey can learn CF, but only some monkeys can think the way a good developer needs to (and that's a lot harder to teach). Neil On 12/17/06, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interviews can be quite tricky. I generally find that employers really don't know what questions to ask to find out if a candidate knows their stuff. Usually the questions are very open ended, such as what do you think of OOP or Frameworks, rather than give me an example of OOP using CFML or tell me what makes a framework. This often stems from the fact there there is no-one else within the company with the required skills to determine if the people they are interviewing have the required skills. Which makes the interviewee look bad because he isn't given the opportunity to show how good he is. Bit of a catch-22 that one. One of the services I provide as a consultant, is that I will shortlist candidates and do the testing and interviewing for them. Generally I don't put too much stock in peoples CV's as lots of experience may not mean their good, and lack of experience may not mean their bad, and some people are just crap at writing CV's. Thus why I generally get everyone to take the online test to determine their CF/SQL/HTML/CSS skills. The interview is then to determine theie social skills, interaction, personality, how they deal with stress, problem solving etc. I will prepare an interview according to the role and job requirements, creating real scenarios and seeing how the candidate deals with them. I.E. provide them with a problem and ask them how they would deal with it. Provide them with a coding problem and ask them how they would approach it and solve it. -- Russ Michaels -Original Message- From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (ASI-AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 December 2006 12:04 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Certification Russ, You want to share that test? We've had many times where we needed to hire a contractor and when they got here even though they interviewed well and had good cf resumes, the didn't know the even the simple things. It seems a lot of temp agencies (for lack of a better term) coach their contractors on how to bs their way in. Steve ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:264262 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
