RE: on-line banking

2003-07-31 Thread Bill Brown
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there's no CF-based product
that does online banking. I work at the largest credit union in Arizona,
specifically on our online banking system, so I've done a lot of
homework on this subject. Prior to moving to ASP, we were a strictly CF
house so I had a big interest in staying in the CF orbit.

Developing an online banking product is a daunting task because there
are tons of different core processing systems that banks and credit
unions can use and each one has a different request/response method.
What's more, these must generally have outstanding uptime and process
high volumes of transactions.

The online banking product we use is Corillian's Voyager
(http://www.corillian.com/). It is ASP or ASP.NET for the front end and
a huge apparatus for the back end. Since it uses a COM object to link
the two sides, I suppose that a front end could be written in CF5 that
would probably perform admirably.

Another one that looks pretty interesting is QBT's MultiPoint. It's a
Java-based middleware server that interacts with the core processor and
exposes methods for a front end of any persuasion to use in generating
transactions. Mind you, it's still a daunting task, but at least you
wouldn't have to worry about the back end as much.

Bill Brown
http://www.bbrown.info/

: -Original Message-
: From: Tim Laureska
: Sent: 7/31/03 5:07 AM
: Subject: on-line banking
:
: I have a bank client who now wants to jump into on-line 
: banking I am looking for any 
: suggestions/comments/references  I know there are many 
: canned packages out there, but I'm looking for those that may 
: be CF based and proven.
: 
: Developing this from scratch could be quite a chore.  Feel 
: free to contact me off list as well
: 
: TIA
: 
: Tim Laureska
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RE: on-line banking

2003-07-31 Thread Ian Skinner
Can only speak as an user.  But I happen to be a customer, and I noticed
that US Bank, (www.usbank.com) Was at least at one time, was CFM based.  May
not be anymore.  But if you could find a contact there that would talk to
you, they could be quite a resource.

--
Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
Sacramento, CA


-Original Message-
From: Tim Laureska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:07 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: on-line banking


I have a bank client who now wants to jump into on-line banking I am
looking for any suggestions/comments/references  I know there are
many canned packages out there, but I'm looking for those that may be CF
based and proven.

Developing this from scratch could be quite a chore.  Feel free to
contact me off list as well

TIA

Tim Laureska




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RE: on-line banking

2003-07-31 Thread Dan Phillips \(CFXHosting.com\)
I have two accounts with local banks and they both use a mix of JSP and
CGI. 

-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: on-line banking


Can only speak as an user.  But I happen to be a customer, and I noticed
that US Bank, (www.usbank.com) Was at least at one time, was CFM based.
May not be anymore.  But if you could find a contact there that would
talk to you, they could be quite a resource.

--
Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
Sacramento, CA


-Original Message-
From: Tim Laureska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:07 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: on-line banking


I have a bank client who now wants to jump into on-line banking I am
looking for any suggestions/comments/references  I know there are
many canned packages out there, but I'm looking for those that may be CF
based and proven.

Developing this from scratch could be quite a chore.  Feel free to
contact me off list as well

TIA

Tim Laureska





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Re: on-line banking

2003-07-31 Thread Jerry Johnson
I might also add that a site that provides on-line banking has a variety of needs and 
functions

There are information only pages, some of which change often.
There are forms, both secure and nonsecure
There are worksheets/interactive apps/training.
There are flashy ads and offers

There are pages that display secure banking information
There are pages that interact and change secure banking information
There are pages that combine data from multiple incompatible back-end systems.

There are user customization and preference settings

Not all of these need to be handled using the same server technologies.

Jerry Johnson

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/03 11:50AM 
Tim,

Bill is on the money on his comments. On-line banking requires heavy iron, heavy 
security, lot of customization and must be fast and easy to use at the same time. 
There will be folks on the list that say ETradeBank uses CF -- however they use CF to 
connect directly to java servlets.

Bill is also right when he's pointing you to more java (and .net) based solutions 
(Keep in mind, I'm not saying CF could not do the job-- just that security concerns 
will demand this product to be more robust and complex than most web applications out 
there-- and requiring a more customized solution!). Even on the finantial solution 
products I have been involved in -- there has been heavy customization, even on the 
off-the-shelf products.

If you want to discuss this off the list please feel free to contact me using the 
information below.


Jeremy Brodie
Intelix
an Edgewater Technology Solutions Company

web: http://www.edgewater.com 
phone:(703) 815-2500
nasdaq symbol: EDGE


I have a bank client who now wants to jump into on-line banking I am
looking for any suggestions/comments/references  I know there are
many canned packages out there, but I'm looking for those that may be CF
based and proven.

Developing this from scratch could be quite a chore.  Feel free to
contact me off list as well

TIA

Tim Laureska




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Re: on-line banking

2003-07-31 Thread Matt Liotta
I can understand why a bank wouldn't want to trust their middle-tier to  
CF, but that doesn't mean CF is a bad option for their  
presentation-tier. A correctly put together Java middle-tier can be  
easily accessible from CF allow for a very robust, yet rapidly  
deployable application.

-Matt

On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 10:53 AM, Bill Brown wrote:

 I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there's no CF-based product
 that does online banking. I work at the largest credit union in  
 Arizona,
 specifically on our online banking system, so I've done a lot of
 homework on this subject. Prior to moving to ASP, we were a strictly CF
 house so I had a big interest in staying in the CF orbit.

 Developing an online banking product is a daunting task because there
 are tons of different core processing systems that banks and credit
 unions can use and each one has a different request/response method.
 What's more, these must generally have outstanding uptime and process
 high volumes of transactions.

 The online banking product we use is Corillian's Voyager
 (http://www.corillian.com/). It is ASP or ASP.NET for the front end and
 a huge apparatus for the back end. Since it uses a COM object to link
 the two sides, I suppose that a front end could be written in CF5 that
 would probably perform admirably.

 Another one that looks pretty interesting is QBT's MultiPoint. It's a
 Java-based middleware server that interacts with the core processor and
 exposes methods for a front end of any persuasion to use in generating
 transactions. Mind you, it's still a daunting task, but at least you
 wouldn't have to worry about the back end as much.

 Bill Brown
 http://www.bbrown.info/

 : -Original Message-
 : From: Tim Laureska
 : Sent: 7/31/03 5:07 AM
 : Subject: on-line banking
 :
 : I have a bank client who now wants to jump into on-line
 : banking I am looking for any
 : suggestions/comments/references  I know there are many
 : canned packages out there, but I'm looking for those that may
 : be CF based and proven.
 :
 : Developing this from scratch could be quite a chore.  Feel
 : free to contact me off list as well
 :
 : TIA
 :
 : Tim Laureska
 
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