Re: wussy-wig editor
On Tuesday 18 Jan 2005 18:56 pm, Adrocknaphobia wrote: Why bother replying? Starship Troopers I'm doing my part ! /Starship Troopers -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191357 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: wussy-wig editor
From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday 13 Jan 2005 11:57 am, Adam Haskell wrote: I highly doubt that this program is going to lock a person into It requires your customer to have a Windows O/S to use your web site. windows...and could you show some perfectly good alternatives? http://www.dynarch.com/projects/htmlarea/ is what I'd use in this case. That still uses font tags! ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190916 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: wussy-wig editor
From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] That still uses font tags! Sorry about the late post.. That was stuck in the outbox! ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190920 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: wussy-wig editor
Why bother replying? -Adam On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:00:39 +, Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 12 Jan 2005 00:18 am, dave wrote: http://xstandard.com/page.asp?p=A4372B00-8D7F-4166-977C-64E5C4E3708Es=E638 AEB0-ADC1-448B-9CE5-FB8AAE1FE55B Why bother looking at a Windows only solution ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190969 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: wussy-wig editor
It requires your customer to have a Windows O/S to use your web site. ahh see we made a CMS inhouse, and we all use windows, so I didn't think about it in the resale aspect. Good point sorry for the one-trasck thinking there :) Adam H On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:32:29 +, Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 13 Jan 2005 11:57 am, Adam Haskell wrote: I highly doubt that this program is going to lock a person into windows...and could you show some perfectly good alternatives? http://www.dynarch.com/projects/htmlarea/ is what I'd use in this case. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190674 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: wussy-wig editor
On Friday 14 Jan 2005 07:33 am, Jim Davis wrote: Which is perfectly acceptable in many situations. If the tool was only needed for an admin area (private, small user base) it may save money or provide more features to dictate a platform. I'm never convinced by this... - IE 5-6 only. ... The HTA framework allows for a lot of functionality ... The enterprise time tracking system is IE only as is our defect tracking system (from Mercury) and many of our internal change management systems. When your dealing with several thousand desktops it makes nothing but sense What if you wanted to change those Desktop's to something cheaper, more secure, or for some other reason (thin client ?) ? Your app has added to the switching costs, for no good reason. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190407 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: wussy-wig editor
In the enterprise I work for the switching cost would likely put us under...we have 2500 stores + Division offices and all the other corprate office stuff...we are locked into Windows for the long haul and I think that is what Jim is talking about. Maybe in a mid to small sized company the cost of switching an app might show up as a blip on the radar but where I work it wouldn't even show up as a blip not even an itch probably... Adam H On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:25:04 +, Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 14 Jan 2005 07:33 am, Jim Davis wrote: Which is perfectly acceptable in many situations. If the tool was only needed for an admin area (private, small user base) it may save money or provide more features to dictate a platform. I'm never convinced by this... - IE 5-6 only. ... The HTA framework allows for a lot of functionality ... The enterprise time tracking system is IE only as is our defect tracking system (from Mercury) and many of our internal change management systems. When your dealing with several thousand desktops it makes nothing but sense What if you wanted to change those Desktop's to something cheaper, more secure, or for some other reason (thin client ?) ? Your app has added to the switching costs, for no good reason. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190416 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: wussy-wig editor
-Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 6:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: wussy-wig editor On Friday 14 Jan 2005 07:33 am, Jim Davis wrote: Which is perfectly acceptable in many situations. If the tool was only needed for an admin area (private, small user base) it may save money or provide more features to dictate a platform. I'm never convinced by this... - IE 5-6 only. ... The HTA framework allows for a lot of functionality ... The enterprise time tracking system is IE only as is our defect tracking system (from Mercury) and many of our internal change management systems. When your dealing with several thousand desktops it makes nothing but sense What if you wanted to change those Desktop's to something cheaper, more secure, or for some other reason (thin client ?) ? Your app has added to the switching costs, for no good reason. No - we simply don't (and won't) change those desktops! Although the cost of the desktops, in isolation, might be cheaper, the infrastructure costs alone would dwarf that savings out of the gate. When you've got 3 or 4 hundred people trained to manage windows desktops, install windows desktops, configure windows desktops and diagnose windows desktops there really is no cheaper alternative. The physical costs alone of physically addressing many thousand desktops across several dozen offices (not to mention several hundred affiliate offices) would be massive. It's the total project cost that kills you, not the cost of the desktops. So, if you're set on the your desktop then it only makes sense to leverage that choice. In my current case QA for the application will account for roughly 40% of the total project cost. That's QA on a single platform. To also QA another platform would extend that by perhaps a quarter or a third (I assume that only the UI would need to be tested). On this project that might mean something like $40,000 extra. One one of our larger projects it could mean millions extra. All that being said I agree completely that whereever possible you should: 1) Understand when you're using a platform-specific feature and be able to defend that choice (if it costs as much to complete the same functionality in a cross-platform way then that should be done). 2) Encapsulate your platform-specific code as much as possible. This allows you to replace that code more easily in the unlikely case that you might have to. In my case I'm using IE (HTA-specific) code to fetch XML-data (for example) but then I place that data into a DOM container for use. The fetch code could be modified to work (for example) in Firefox pretty simply, but the usage code should already work as is. The fetch code is encapsulated into a distinct JavaScript object (as is the parsing code for that matter). I know where my dependencies lie. I also know that a lot of people DON'T work this way - and I think they should. The ability (via choice or corporate mandate) to utilize a single platform doesn't mean you should ignore all others. Jim Davis ~| Purchase Dreamweaver with Homesite Plus from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=54 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190501 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: wussy-wig editor
Which is perfectly acceptable in many situations. If the tool was only needed for an admin area (private, small user base) it may save money or provide more features to dictate a platform. I'm never convinced by this... Why not? Do you truly believe that every platform should be supported by every web application regardless of cost and benefit? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190567 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: wussy-wig editor
-Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: wussy-wig editor On Thursday 13 Jan 2005 11:57 am, Adam Haskell wrote: I highly doubt that this program is going to lock a person into It requires your customer to have a Windows O/S to use your web site. Which is perfectly acceptable in many situations. If the tool was only needed for an admin area (private, small user base) it may save money or provide more features to dictate a platform. Most enterprises have standardized on a single, supported browser platform. The application I'm currently building at the office is an HTML Application - IE 5-6 only. This is fine in this case because the application is internal only and used by a small handful of users (it updates inconsistent mainframe client data). The HTA framework allows for a lot of functionality I couldn't otherwise use (or couldn't quickly and cheaply use) in cross-browser environment. The enterprise time tracking system is IE only as is our defect tracking system (from Mercury) and many of our internal change management systems. When your dealing with several thousand desktops it makes nothing but sense to standardize and leverage that standardization. It doesn't make sense to spend time and money building (and testing) cross-platform tools when those other platforms aren't even supported in the environment the tool will be used in. Of course that doesn't mean it's ALWAYS applicable. I would consider a Windows only solution for a public site or a for a cross-affiliate site. But in a lot of cases it's a perfectly reasonable, intelligent design decision. In the end it all depends on the circumstances. Jim Davis ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190395 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: wussy-wig editor
On Wednesday 12 Jan 2005 00:18 am, dave wrote: http://xstandard.com/page.asp?p=A4372B00-8D7F-4166-977C-64E5C4E3708Es=E638 AEB0-ADC1-448B-9CE5-FB8AAE1FE55B Why bother looking at a Windows only solution ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190084 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: wussy-wig editor
-Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: wussy-wig editor On Wednesday 12 Jan 2005 00:18 am, dave wrote: http://xstandard.com/page.asp?p=A4372B00-8D7F-4166-977C- 64E5C4E3708Es=E638 AEB0-ADC1-448B-9CE5-FB8AAE1FE55B Why bother looking at a Windows only solution ? Um... because all your users are Windows only? (It does happen sometimes, you know.) ;^) Jim Davis ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190087 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: wussy-wig editor
If it does the job and does it well. Homesite is a windows only solution and I find it a valuable tool in my development. On Wednesday 12 Jan 2005 00:18 am, dave wrote: http://xstandard.com/page.asp?p=A4372B00-8D7F-4166-977C- 64E5C4E3708Es=E638 AEB0-ADC1-448B-9CE5-FB8AAE1FE55B Why bother looking at a Windows only solution ? ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190092 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: wussy-wig editor
Why bother looking at a Windows only solution ? Are there still users under DOS only ? ;-) ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190131 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: wussy-wig editor
Yes, everyone who still uses win98 :-P -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2005 6:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: wussy-wig editor Why bother looking at a Windows only solution ? Are there still users under DOS only ? ;-) ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190179 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
