Re: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Michael Dinowitz]

Bob Denny now owns the rights to Website and is selling it through 
Deerfield.com. I've been using it since day 1 and its fantastic. I recomend 
it over IIS every day of the week.

At 10:29 AM 11/30/01, you wrote:
>Yes, that's true.  Bob Denny wrote the freeware WinHTTPD which ran on 
>16-bit Windows.  WebSite was the first *commercial* web server
>for Windows...
>
>Regards,
>
>Howie
>
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>From: "Dave Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:03 AM
>Subject: RE: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)
>
>
> >
> > I think WinHTTPD (the grandfather of WebSite) was the first Windows web
> > server - it ran on Windows 3.1, if I recall correctly.
> >
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> > http://www.figleaf.com/
> > voice: (202) 797-5496
> > fax: (202) 797-5444
> >
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Re: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Howie Hamlin]

Yes, that's true.  Bob Denny wrote the freeware WinHTTPD which ran on 16-bit Windows.  
WebSite was the first *commercial* web server
for Windows...

Regards,

Howie

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>
> I think WinHTTPD (the grandfather of WebSite) was the first Windows web
> server - it ran on Windows 3.1, if I recall correctly.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> voice: (202) 797-5496
> fax: (202) 797-5444
> 
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RE: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Dave Watts]

> First webserver I ever played with was Fnord! webserver in 
> 1996. I haven't used it since, and after doing a quick search, 
> was surprised to find out that it looks like it's become a 
> Microsoft Research project... Or maybe it always was? I have 
> no idea! I just remembers finding it on Stroud's List way back
> when and thinking it was super cool because it ran on Win95. I
> *think* I even got CF 1.5 up and running on it at one time.

I don't think Microsoft Research's involvement with Fnord! goes beyond
porting it to IPv6. To the best of my knowledge, Fnord! is the only web
server you can use on IPv6 on Windows.

I think WinHTTPD (the grandfather of WebSite) was the first Windows web
server - it ran on Windows 3.1, if I recall correctly.

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RE: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Cameron Childress]

First webserver I ever played with was Fnord! webserver in 1996.  I haven't
used it since, and after doing a quick search, was surprised to find out
that it looks like it's become a Microsoft Research project...  Or maybe it
always was?  I have no idea!  I just remembers finding it on Stroud's List
way back when and thinking it was super cool because it ran on Win95.  I
*think* I even got CF 1.5 up and running on it at one time.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/msfnord/

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> -Original Message-
> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:31 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)
>
>
> WebSite came out in mid 1995 and was the only Windows-based
> commercial server that was available.  We were later solicited by
> Process to change to Purveyor...
>
> Howie
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Hastings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)
>
>
> > > O'Reilly WebSite was the first commercial NT Web server...
> >
> > it was? when we looked way back when, purveyor was all there was.
> >
> > > > it was the 1st commericial NT webserver & we're still using it as a
> > proxy
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Howie Hamlin]

WebSite came out in mid 1995 and was the only Windows-based commercial server that was 
available.  We were later solicited by
Process to change to Purveyor...

Howie

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> > O'Reilly WebSite was the first commercial NT Web server...
>
> it was? when we looked way back when, purveyor was all there was.
>
> > > it was the 1st commericial NT webserver & we're still using it as a
> proxy
>
>
>
>
> ---
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Re: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Paul Hastings]

> O'Reilly WebSite was the first commercial NT Web server...

it was? when we looked way back when, purveyor was all there was.

> > it was the 1st commericial NT webserver & we're still using it as a
proxy




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Re: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Howie Hamlin]

O'Reilly WebSite was the first commercial NT Web server...

Howie

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> > Actually, I think Purveyor (www.process.com) was the first server to
> support ISAPI (Purveyor is no longer sold, however).
>
> it was the 1st commericial NT webserver & we're still using it as a proxy
> (hey we're a
> poor non-for-profit & we did pay for it ;-)
>
>
>
>
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Re: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Paul Hastings]

> Actually, I think Purveyor (www.process.com) was the first server to
support ISAPI (Purveyor is no longer sold, however).

it was the 1st commericial NT webserver & we're still using it as a proxy
(hey we're a
poor non-for-profit & we did pay for it ;-)




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Re: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Howie Hamlin]

Actually, I think Purveyor (www.process.com) was the first server to support ISAPI 
(Purveyor is no longer sold, however).

http://www.njnet.edu.cn/info/ebook/isapi/ch01.htm

Regards,

Howie

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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:51 PM
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> > Isn't ISAPI proprietary? 
> 
> Kind of, in that MS created it, and their implementation is certainly the
> reference implementation. However, ISAPI has been implemented with non-MS
> web servers before. (WebSite, I think, at one points supported ISAPI in
> addition to its own WSAPI.)
> 
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Re: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Howie Hamlin]

No, it's an open specification which means that you can write clients and servers to 
use the spec.  I know of several web servers,
for example, that utilize ISAPI interfaces.

Regards,

Howie

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> Isn't ISAPI proprietary?
>
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RE: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Dave Watts]

> What type of 'standard' API do you have in mind? Considering 
> all the places the server is used, I'd be surprised to find some 
> non-proprietary API not yet available...

I was thinking along the lines of ISAPI, NSAPI, WSAPI, and Apache modules.

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RE: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Dave Watts]

> What is a non-proprietary API? Aren't APIs by their nature
> proprietary?

No, there's no reason for an API to be proprietary by necessity, although
most are bound to products which themselves are proprietary.

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RE: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Dave Watts]

> Isn't ISAPI proprietary? 

Kind of, in that MS created it, and their implementation is certainly the
reference implementation. However, ISAPI has been implemented with non-MS
web servers before. (WebSite, I think, at one points supported ISAPI in
addition to its own WSAPI.)

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Re: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[BILLY CRAVENS]

Isn't ISAPI proprietary?

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> No, many are standard - ISAPI, CGI, etc. are examples.
>
> Regards,
>
> Howie
>
> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:18 PM
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>
> > What is a non-proprietary API?  Aren't APIs by their nature proprietary?
> >
>
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Re: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Howie Hamlin]

No, many are standard - ISAPI, CGI, etc. are examples.

Regards,

Howie

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> What is a non-proprietary API?  Aren't APIs by their nature proprietary?
> 

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Re: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Cary Gordon]

What is a non-proprietary API?  Aren't APIs by their nature proprietary?

At 01:10 PM 11/29/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>from: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > I
> >don't think AOLServer supports any of the "standard" APIs used by other web
> >servers.
>
>What type of 'standard' API do you have in mind?  Considering all the places
>the server is used, I'd be surprised to find some non-proprietary API
>not yet available...
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Re: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Larry W. Virden]

from: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I
>don't think AOLServer supports any of the "standard" APIs used by other web
>servers.

What type of 'standard' API do you have in mind?  Considering all the places
the server is used, I'd be surprised to find some non-proprietary API
not yet available...
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RE: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Dave Watts]

> What the heck is AOLServer?

"AOLserver is America Online's Open-Source web server. AOLserver is the
backbone of the largest and busiest production environments in the world.
AOLserver is a multithreaded, Tcl-enabled web server used for large scale,
dynamic web sites."

http://www.aolserver.com/

It's very good, from what I've heard. I've never used it, myself.

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RE: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC]

What the heck is AOLServer?

-Jay
-Original Message-
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> PSS:  Although certain parts of allaire.com run faster now
> that Macromedia has taken over, the support section still is 
> slow and the KB returns articles that have little relevance to 
> what I type it. That said, I'm tired of waiting around for the 
> web site to actually tell me something useful. Anyone know if 
> CF will run on AOLServer?

It should run in CGI mode, with the crappy performance which that
entails. I don't think AOLServer supports any of the "standard" APIs
used by other web servers.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: AOLServer (was: CF/IIS/Windows security class)

[Dave Watts]

> PSS:  Although certain parts of allaire.com run faster now 
> that Macromedia has taken over, the support section still is 
> slow and the KB returns articles that have little relevance to 
> what I type it. That said, I'm tired of waiting around for the 
> web site to actually tell me something useful. Anyone know if 
> CF will run on AOLServer?

It should run in CGI mode, with the crappy performance which that entails. I
don't think AOLServer supports any of the "standard" APIs used by other web
servers.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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