RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Will Swain]

lol.but have MM??

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>
>
>I think you misunderstood the use of the word "fleece :-)
>
>
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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Rich Wild]

> Did *anyone* get one?

I got one here in ol' blighty! FedEx'd across the pond!

> -Original Message-
> From: DeVoil, Nick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 03 September 2001 11:27
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN
> 
> 
> > and me!
> 
> If only they were that efficient about sending the fleeces 
> from the Server 5
> beta "Giveaway" ;-)
> 
> Did *anyone* get one?
> 
> Nick
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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Neil Clark]

I think you misunderstood the use of the word "fleece :-)



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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[DeVoil, Nick]

> and me!

If only they were that efficient about sending the fleeces from the Server 5
beta "Giveaway" ;-)

Did *anyone* get one?

Nick


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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Neil Clark]

and me!



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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Will Swain]

Yup...you and me both Thomas!!



>-Original Message-
>From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 03 September 2001 10:43
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN
>
>
>> I doubt it was an honest mistake with a user name of 
>> "warez". 
>
>Although, as I just got mailed by Macroaire about letting slip some stuff
>about the CF5 beta, I can bet Mr. Warez will be having a visit...
>
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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Thomas Chiverton]

> I doubt it was an honest mistake with a user name of 
> "warez". 

Although, as I just got mailed by Macroaire about letting slip some stuff
about the CF5 beta, I can bet Mr. Warez will be having a visit...

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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Peter Tilbrook]

And other niceties like application archiving.

Subject: Re: CF5 Pro SN


For your comparison pleasure ..

http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/matrix/cf5_matrix.
pdf

Clustering support ... Native DB Drivers.. Server SandBox Security
..


bout it .. depends on your needs




- Original Message -
From: "Gonzo Rock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN


> Oh... Like what??? Very Curious... I thought Enterprise features were all
about LargeSites not CF functionality... Am I forgetting something?
>
> At 09:14 AM 9/1/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >Not forgetting the great features the Enterprise version has that are
> >disabled in Pro.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >.. and doubtful - he gives a flying rats rear whether he gets banned
or
> >not ...
> >
> >Ban him ... if you want BFD - Its probably just Stan Cox!
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Bud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:11 AM
> >Subject: Re: CF5 Pro SN
> >
> >
> >> On 8/30/01, Larry W. Virden penned:
> >> >It certainly was at least a mistake for him to send it here.  My first
> >> >thought was that he emailed the info to the wrong address.  Making
> >> >honest mistakes should not result in someone being banned from the
list.
> >>
> >> LOL
> >>
> >> I doubt it was an honest mistake with a user name of "warez". I also
> >> seriously doubt it's a serial number to a product he purchased. :)
> >> --
> >>
> >> Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations
> >>
> >> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
> >> ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> http://www.twcreations.com/
> >> 954.721.3452
> >
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Re: CF5 Pro SN

[Mark Campbell]

I don't think even the pope owns every piece of software on his computer, but
at the same time he's not rubbing macromedia's face in it.
Mark Campbell
::..::confuzion::..::
http://e2bfx.com

Stephen M Aylor wrote:

> For your comparison pleasure ..
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/matrix/cf5_matrix.
> pdf
>
> Clustering support ... Native DB Drivers.. Server SandBox Security
> ..
>
> bout it .. depends on your needs
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gonzo Rock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:02 PM
> Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN
>
> > Oh... Like what??? Very Curious... I thought Enterprise features were all
> about LargeSites not CF functionality... Am I forgetting something?
> >
> > At 09:14 AM 9/1/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > >Not forgetting the great features the Enterprise version has that are
> > >disabled in Pro.
> > >
> > >>>
> > >
> > >.. and doubtful - he gives a flying rats rear whether he gets banned
> or
> > >not ...
> > >
> > >Ban him ... if you want BFD - Its probably just Stan Cox!
> > >
> > >Steve
> > >
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: "Bud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:11 AM
> > >Subject: Re: CF5 Pro SN
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 8/30/01, Larry W. Virden penned:
> > >> >It certainly was at least a mistake for him to send it here.  My first
> > >> >thought was that he emailed the info to the wrong address.  Making
> > >> >honest mistakes should not result in someone being banned from the
> list.
> > >>
> > >> LOL
> > >>
> > >> I doubt it was an honest mistake with a user name of "warez". I also
> > >> seriously doubt it's a serial number to a product he purchased. :)
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations
> > >>
> > >> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
> > >> ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> http://www.twcreations.com/
> > >> 954.721.3452
> > >
> >
>
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Re: CF5 Pro SN

[Stephen M Aylor]

For your comparison pleasure ..

http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/matrix/cf5_matrix.
pdf

Clustering support ... Native DB Drivers.. Server SandBox Security
..


bout it .. depends on your needs




- Original Message -
From: "Gonzo Rock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN


> Oh... Like what??? Very Curious... I thought Enterprise features were all
about LargeSites not CF functionality... Am I forgetting something?
>
> At 09:14 AM 9/1/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >Not forgetting the great features the Enterprise version has that are
> >disabled in Pro.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >.. and doubtful - he gives a flying rats rear whether he gets banned
or
> >not ...
> >
> >Ban him ... if you want BFD - Its probably just Stan Cox!
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Bud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:11 AM
> >Subject: Re: CF5 Pro SN
> >
> >
> >> On 8/30/01, Larry W. Virden penned:
> >> >It certainly was at least a mistake for him to send it here.  My first
> >> >thought was that he emailed the info to the wrong address.  Making
> >> >honest mistakes should not result in someone being banned from the
list.
> >>
> >> LOL
> >>
> >> I doubt it was an honest mistake with a user name of "warez". I also
> >> seriously doubt it's a serial number to a product he purchased. :)
> >> --
> >>
> >> Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations
> >>
> >> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
> >> ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> http://www.twcreations.com/
> >> 954.721.3452
> >
>
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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Gonzo Rock]

Oh... Like what??? Very Curious... I thought Enterprise features were all about 
LargeSites not CF functionality... Am I forgetting something?

At 09:14 AM 9/1/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Not forgetting the great features the Enterprise version has that are
>disabled in Pro.
>
>>>
>
>.. and doubtful - he gives a flying rats rear whether he gets banned or
>not ...
>
>Ban him ... if you want BFD - Its probably just Stan Cox!
>
>Steve
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Bud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:11 AM
>Subject: Re: CF5 Pro SN
>
>
>> On 8/30/01, Larry W. Virden penned:
>> >It certainly was at least a mistake for him to send it here.  My first
>> >thought was that he emailed the info to the wrong address.  Making
>> >honest mistakes should not result in someone being banned from the list.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> I doubt it was an honest mistake with a user name of "warez". I also
>> seriously doubt it's a serial number to a product he purchased. :)
>> --
>>
>> Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations
>>
>> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
>> ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> http://www.twcreations.com/
>> 954.721.3452
>
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Re: CF5 Pro SN

[Stephen M Aylor]

Who could forget that?  :-)
- Original Message -
From: "Peter Tilbrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN


> Not forgetting the great features the Enterprise version has that are
> disabled in Pro.
>
> >>
>
> .. and doubtful - he gives a flying rats rear whether he gets banned
or
> not ...
>
> Ban him ... if you want BFD - Its probably just Stan Cox!
>
> Steve
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: CF5 Pro SN
>
>
> > On 8/30/01, Larry W. Virden penned:
> > >It certainly was at least a mistake for him to send it here.  My first
> > >thought was that he emailed the info to the wrong address.  Making
> > >honest mistakes should not result in someone being banned from the
list.
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > I doubt it was an honest mistake with a user name of "warez". I also
> > seriously doubt it's a serial number to a product he purchased. :)
> > --
> >
> > Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations
> >
> > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
> > ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.twcreations.com/
> > 954.721.3452
>
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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Peter Tilbrook]

Not forgetting the great features the Enterprise version has that are
disabled in Pro.

>>

.. and doubtful - he gives a flying rats rear whether he gets banned or
not ...

Ban him ... if you want BFD - Its probably just Stan Cox!

Steve

- Original Message -
From: "Bud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: CF5 Pro SN


> On 8/30/01, Larry W. Virden penned:
> >It certainly was at least a mistake for him to send it here.  My first
> >thought was that he emailed the info to the wrong address.  Making
> >honest mistakes should not result in someone being banned from the list.
>
> LOL
>
> I doubt it was an honest mistake with a user name of "warez". I also
> seriously doubt it's a serial number to a product he purchased. :)
> --
>
> Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations
>
> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
> ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.twcreations.com/
> 954.721.3452
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Re: CF5 Pro SN

[Stephen M Aylor]

.. and doubtful - he gives a flying rats rear whether he gets banned or
not ...

Ban him ... if you want BFD - Its probably just Stan Cox!

Steve

- Original Message -
From: "Bud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: CF5 Pro SN


> On 8/30/01, Larry W. Virden penned:
> >It certainly was at least a mistake for him to send it here.  My first
> >thought was that he emailed the info to the wrong address.  Making
> >honest mistakes should not result in someone being banned from the list.
>
> LOL
>
> I doubt it was an honest mistake with a user name of "warez". I also
> seriously doubt it's a serial number to a product he purchased. :)
> --
>
> Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations
>
> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
> ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.twcreations.com/
> 954.721.3452



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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Mark Smyth]

>>Subtle point (Ok, maybe I'm expectorating upwind), but I think it might 
>>help. ;-))

if someone can write a function which could "expectorate upwind", now THAT
would be something
mark



-Original Message-
From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 August 2001 17:00
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN



>I love this bunch... someone want to write a function to randomly
>create serials :) laugh people...

LOL...

> > Lets not get anal here.  Maybe giving your serial to someone is not
> > illegal
> > per say - as it is just string of numbers and letters - but why would

I would think that giving out the serial number is NOT an illegal act. But, 
the SN will do you absolutely no good without the piece of software to go 
with it, and the copying of THAT is what is illegal.

Subtle point (Ok, maybe I'm expectorating upwind), but I think it might 
help. ;-))

John (And yes, I am in a cantankerous mood this AM...lol)
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Re: CF5 Pro SN

[Bud]

On 8/30/01, Larry W. Virden penned:
>It certainly was at least a mistake for him to send it here.  My first
>thought was that he emailed the info to the wrong address.  Making
>honest mistakes should not result in someone being banned from the list.

LOL

I doubt it was an honest mistake with a user name of "warez". I also 
seriously doubt it's a serial number to a product he purchased. :)
-- 

Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations

_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Neil Clark]

Michael, like the MS thread on the other list, I would like you to back that
the serial number is being passed to MM... on the other list of you have to.



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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[John Paitel]

>I love this bunch... someone want to write a function to randomly
>create serials :) laugh people...

LOL...

> > Lets not get anal here.  Maybe giving your serial to someone is not
> > illegal
> > per say - as it is just string of numbers and letters - but why would

I would think that giving out the serial number is NOT an illegal act. But, 
the SN will do you absolutely no good without the piece of software to go 
with it, and the copying of THAT is what is illegal.

Subtle point (Ok, maybe I'm expectorating upwind), but I think it might 
help. ;-))

John (And yes, I am in a cantankerous mood this AM...lol)


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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Michael Dinowitz]

This thread is not tech related and is basically a troll. Please end it 
now. If you want to talk about Macromedia's licensing policy, please post 
to CF-Partners. If you want to blow off steam or rant about Mr.Warez, then 
CF-Community is for you. Thank you.

P.S. Your ColdFusion server is connected to the Internet at almost all 
times. Some of the new services try to communicate with the net once a 
connection exists. Do you want to bet that your serial number is being 
checked or passed to MM. The use of bootleg serial numbers should be done 
at your own risk.


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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Neil Clark]

Oh Eric your so cool :-) the things that you find amusing.



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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Paris Lundis]

I love this bunch... someone want to write a function to randomly 
create serials :) laugh people...

we sure are a passionate bunch, and there isn't anything wrong with 
that...

[finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present]
[connecting people, places and things]


-Original Message-
From: "Carlisle, Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:20:35 -0400
Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN

> I agree.  I thought it was funny that the discussion lasted so long
> when
> this was obviously just a prank to get a rise out of the group.  It
> served
> its purpose, I suppose. :)
> 
>   EC
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Darren Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:10 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN
> 
> 
> It may not be illegal strictly but, it isn't cricket and certainly
> isn't
> etiquette.
> 
> Regardless of whether anyone here would use it (I think we are all
> intelligent people here)
> 
> Perhaps posting the serial number was a mistake altought looking at
> the guys
> name (i.e. Warez)  I would suggest not.
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Neil Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 30 August 2001 11:41
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN
> 
> 
> Lets not get anal here.  Maybe giving your serial to someone is not
> illegal
> per say - as it is just string of numbers and letters - but why would
> you
> want to?
> 
> If you are arguing the toss about whether giving information is
> illegal or
> not - can I have your bank details and credit card numbers?  remember
> it is
> not illegal to do so.  come one, put your "money" where your
> mouth is.
> 
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Re: CF5 Pro SN

[Cary Gordon]

Sounds like a movie title: Mr. Warez makes an honest mistake

Interesting ring to it, no?

At 06:44 AM 8/30/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>It certainly was at least a mistake for him to send it here.  My first
>thought was that he emailed the info to the wrong address.  Making
>honest mistakes should not result in someone being banned from the list.


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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Jerry Staple]

Lets give it a rest eh !!

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-Original Message-
From: Darren Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 August 2001 16:10
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN


It may not be illegal strictly but, it isn't cricket and certainly isn't
etiquette.

Regardless of whether anyone here would use it (I think we are all
intelligent people here)

Perhaps posting the serial number was a mistake altought looking at the
guys
name (i.e. Warez)  I would suggest not.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 August 2001 11:41
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN


Lets not get anal here.  Maybe giving your serial to someone is not
illegal
per say - as it is just string of numbers and letters - but why would
you
want to?

If you are arguing the toss about whether giving information is illegal
or
not - can I have your bank details and credit card numbers?  remember it
is
not illegal to do so.  come one, put your "money" where your mouth
is.

N
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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Carlisle, Eric]

I agree.  I thought it was funny that the discussion lasted so long when
this was obviously just a prank to get a rise out of the group.  It served
its purpose, I suppose. :)

EC

-Original Message-
From: Darren Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:10 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN


It may not be illegal strictly but, it isn't cricket and certainly isn't
etiquette.

Regardless of whether anyone here would use it (I think we are all
intelligent people here)

Perhaps posting the serial number was a mistake altought looking at the guys
name (i.e. Warez)  I would suggest not.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 August 2001 11:41
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN


Lets not get anal here.  Maybe giving your serial to someone is not illegal
per say - as it is just string of numbers and letters - but why would you
want to?

If you are arguing the toss about whether giving information is illegal or
not - can I have your bank details and credit card numbers?  remember it is
not illegal to do so.  come one, put your "money" where your mouth is.

N
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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Darren Adams]

It may not be illegal strictly but, it isn't cricket and certainly isn't
etiquette.

Regardless of whether anyone here would use it (I think we are all
intelligent people here)

Perhaps posting the serial number was a mistake altought looking at the guys
name (i.e. Warez)  I would suggest not.

-Original Message-
From: Neil Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 August 2001 11:41
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF5 Pro SN


Lets not get anal here.  Maybe giving your serial to someone is not illegal
per say - as it is just string of numbers and letters - but why would you
want to?

If you are arguing the toss about whether giving information is illegal or
not - can I have your bank details and credit card numbers?  remember it is
not illegal to do so.  come one, put your "money" where your mouth is.

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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Jeffry Houser]

At 11:50 AM 08/30/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>Call me sceptical, but I don't think someone called "Mr Warez" is likely to
>be in the business of making "honest mistakes".

   Does being named "Mr Warez" automatically make you perfect, then?  Or 
does it automatically make you a criminal?


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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[DeVoil, Nick]

Call me sceptical, but I don't think someone called "Mr Warez" is likely to
be in the business of making "honest mistakes".


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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Chris Bohill]

Is it not about time we put this thread to bed!!


-Original Message-
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Sent: 30 August 2001 11:47
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF5 Pro SN


Neil Clark wrote:
> Jochem, your gonna lose this one.  Best zip it.  It was wrong for him
to do
> it; it is illegal and yes he should be banned or at least reprimanded.

OK, let me get my final word out.

I do believe it is morally wrong to publish a serial like that. I do not

believe it to be prima facie illegal.

I have been playing devils advocate a bit, and although I believe all of

my postings can be defended I am not sure that I want to defend them. I 
just want to make the point that we shouldn't try to more Catholic then 
the pope.
Which parties interests are hurt? Macromedia. What does MM do when 
somebody posts a serial on their forum? The serial gets deleted but the 
person is not banned (extrapoliting from behaviour in the past). Should 
we ban a person when MM does not do that?

Jochem

PS Michael, don't forget to remove the serial from the archives.
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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Thomas Chiverton]

>  Maybe giving your serial to someone 
> is not illegal
> per say - as it is just string of numbers and letters - but 
> why would you
> want to?

You'd have to ask Mr Warez.
 
> If you are arguing the toss about whether giving information 
> is illegal or
> not - can I have your bank details and credit card numbers?  

No, I dont want to give them out. I dont want to give our CF serial numbers
out either.

> remember it is
> not illegal to do so.  come one, put your "money" where 
> your mouth is.

Mr Warez is probably some poor lonly 14 year old kid somewhere, lets not get
carried away :-)

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Re: CF5 Pro SN

[Jochem van Dieten]

Neil Clark wrote:
> Jochem, your gonna lose this one.  Best zip it.  It was wrong for him to do
> it; it is illegal and yes he should be banned or at least reprimanded.

OK, let me get my final word out.

I do believe it is morally wrong to publish a serial like that. I do not 
believe it to be prima facie illegal.

I have been playing devils advocate a bit, and although I believe all of 
my postings can be defended I am not sure that I want to defend them. I 
just want to make the point that we shouldn't try to more Catholic then 
the pope.
Which parties interests are hurt? Macromedia. What does MM do when 
somebody posts a serial on their forum? The serial gets deleted but the 
person is not banned (extrapoliting from behaviour in the past). Should 
we ban a person when MM does not do that?

Jochem

PS Michael, don't forget to remove the serial from the archives.


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Re: CF5 Pro SN

[Larry W. Virden]

> Jochem, your gonna lose this one.  Best zip it.  It was wrong for him to do
> it; it is illegal and yes he should be banned or at least reprimanded.

It certainly was at least a mistake for him to send it here.  My first
thought was that he emailed the info to the wrong address.  Making
honest mistakes should not result in someone being banned from the list.
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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Neil Clark]

Lets not get anal here.  Maybe giving your serial to someone is not illegal
per say - as it is just string of numbers and letters - but why would you
want to?

If you are arguing the toss about whether giving information is illegal or
not - can I have your bank details and credit card numbers?  remember it is
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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Thomas Chiverton]

> it is illegal 

Are you sure ? IANAL, but I dont remember anything in the license agrement
about not telling anyone your license key (ICBW- I'm in a different office
to ours atm).
'Course, doing something like that would be silly, because unless its a
generated key, they'll be able to trace it to the original buyer.

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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Neil Clark]

Jochem, your gonna lose this one.  Best zip it.  It was wrong for him to do
it; it is illegal and yes he should be banned or at least reprimanded.



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Re: CF5 Pro SN

[Jochem van Dieten]

Philip Arnold - ASP wrote:
>>>I think this is someone for Michael to ban from the list
>>>
>>Why?
>>
> 
> So you think it's RIGHT to publicise serial numbers for products?

I never said that. However, I *do* believe it is right to give a decent 
argumentation when you suggest to ban someone. Pointing to some law 
maybe (make sure it is the right jurisdiction for the person sending the 
message), some disclaimer everybody has to agree upon to be able to post 
here or something. What did he do wrong?


> Do you know Piracy is illegal?

If it was legal it wouldn't be piracy.

A far more interesting question is: Does publishing a serial number 
constitute piracy? AFAIK not (although it is a lot of other things). 
Piracy is using a non-licensed copy of software. Since Mr Warez has a 
license number, I suppose he has a license. Ironically that means his 
version does not constitute piracy, but others that install an 
unlicensed CF with his license number do.


>>Your email disclaimer says that the email you send me is confidential,
>>yet I retransmit parts of it. Should I be banned to?
>>
> 
> Have you ever heard of a Signature? Funnily enough, people in business use
> them...

In many jurisdictions proving selective prosecution goes a long way in 
acquiting somebody from a crime. That means that if you don't take legal 
action now against me for redistributing your email, legal action 
against others runs a risk of being dismissed before it gets in a court.
Just doing my bit to make information free ;)

Besides, these disclaimer statements are useless, often illogical 
("please notify the system manager": I *am* the systems manager, who do 
I notify?), and a clear violation of RFC 1855 which sets rules for a 
signature.

Jochem


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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Philip Arnold - ASP]

> > I think this is someone for Michael to ban from the list
>
> Why?

So you think it's RIGHT to publicise serial numbers for products?

Do you know Piracy is illegal?

> Your email disclaimer says that the email you send me is confidential,
> yet I retransmit parts of it. Should I be banned to?

Have you ever heard of a Signature? Funnily enough, people in business use
them...

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Re: CF5 Pro SN

[Joseph Thompson]

Tough racket... poor Ivan is gonna be outa work :-(



> >>CFW500-X-X-X



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Re: CF5 Pro SN

[Jochem van Dieten]

Philip Arnold - ASP wrote:
>>CFW500-?-?-?
>>
> 
> I think this is someone for Michael to ban from the list

Why?

Your email disclaimer says that the email you send me is confidential, 
yet I retransmit parts of it. Should I be banned to?

Jochem


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[Philip Arnold - ASP]

> CFW500-?-?-?

I think this is someone for Michael to ban from the list

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RE: CF5 Pro SN

[Neil Clark]

Jeez, what are you playing at?



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Re: CF5 Pro SN

[Jochem van Dieten]

> -Original Message-
> From: Mr Warez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 06:17:03 +
> Subject: CF5 Pro SN
> 
> 
>>CFW500-X-X-X
>>
>>
Paris Lundis wrote:
> ahhh I think that one is inappropriate...  :)

But usefull ;)

Jochem

P.S. If you really find it inappropropriate it is always a good idea to 
replace the inappropriate link/serial with something else, so you don't 
repost it.


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Re: CF5 Pro SN

[Paris Lundis]

ahhh I think that one is inappropriate...  :)

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From: Mr Warez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 06:17:03 +
Subject: CF5 Pro SN

> CFW500-79133-54309-11736
>
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