Re: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9

2011-03-10 Thread Chris Tsongas

This is a known bug, please log in at the Adobe site and vote for getting it 
fixed:

http://cfbugs.adobe.com/cfbugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=83425
 

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Re: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9

2011-03-10 Thread Chris Tsongas

This is a known bug, please log in at the Adobe site and vote for it:

http://cfbugs.adobe.com/cfbugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=83425
 

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Re: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9

2010-06-22 Thread Tom Chiverton

On Tuesday 22 Jun 2010 14:11:24 you wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I was wondering if somebody could help with a problem we have encountered
 since moving to ColdFusion 9 from ColdFusion 8.
 
 When we use CFContent to serve a file, it fails on large files (300+mb) but
 works on smaller (-30mb) files. It fails consistantly without a ColdFusion
 error, the browser receives a 404 error

Does it get this error immediately ? Or after transferring some of the file ?
I'd suspect some setting you've not copied into the new server, like request 
timeout or RAM limits.

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Re: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9

2010-06-22 Thread Daniel Mackey

Hi Tom,

Everything has been double-checked and request limits checked. I tried on
anther CF9 server and the same thing happens. CF8 with the exact same
settings works

I'm at a complete loss and wondering if anyone else out there with CF9 could
try a simple test and see what happens?

cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment; filename=cf9.exe
cfcontent type=unknown file=C:\temp\cf9.exe deletefile=No

Dan.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Tom Chiverton tom.chiver...@halliwells.com
 wrote:


 On Tuesday 22 Jun 2010 14:11:24 you wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  I was wondering if somebody could help with a problem we have encountered
  since moving to ColdFusion 9 from ColdFusion 8.
 
  When we use CFContent to serve a file, it fails on large files (300+mb)
 but
  works on smaller (-30mb) files. It fails consistantly without a
 ColdFusion
  error, the browser receives a 404 error

 Does it get this error immediately ? Or after transferring some of the file
 ?
 I'd suspect some setting you've not copied into the new server, like
 request
 timeout or RAM limits.

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 niches
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Re: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9

2010-06-22 Thread Tom Chiverton

On Tuesday 22 Jun 2010 14:57:12 Daniel Mackey wrote:
 cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment; filename=cf9.exe
 cfcontent type=unknown file=C:\temp\cf9.exe deletefile=No

Confirmed broken I think - congratulations, you've found a bug in ColdFusion 
:-)

I'm on 64bit SuSE Linux here, so used the CF9.0.0 installer for that O/S - 
file not found in FireFox.
Change the 'file' patch in CFCONTENT to a much smaller file like /etc/hosts 
and it all works as expected. Fun fun fun.

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Re: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9

2010-06-22 Thread Tom Chiverton

Update:
I now can't get anything to work on the box, because :

Error,jrpp-15,06/22/10,15:10:25,billpack,Java heap space The 
specific sequence of files included or processed is: 
/home/chivertont/workspace/billpack/webroot/t.cfm'' 
java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space

Of course a swift bounce of CF fixes that, but I wonder if you could try 
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Re: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9

2010-06-22 Thread Daniel Mackey

Ugghhh. I was secretly hoping that wasn't going to be the case...

Anyone got any alternatives? Could this be performed using Java?

Dan.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Tom Chiverton tom.chiver...@halliwells.com
 wrote:


 On Tuesday 22 Jun 2010 14:57:12 Daniel Mackey wrote:
  cfheader name=Content-Disposition value=attachment;
 filename=cf9.exe
  cfcontent type=unknown file=C:\temp\cf9.exe deletefile=No

 Confirmed broken I think - congratulations, you've found a bug in
 ColdFusion
 :-)

 I'm on 64bit SuSE Linux here, so used the CF9.0.0 installer for that O/S -
 file not found in FireFox.
 Change the 'file' patch in CFCONTENT to a much smaller file like
 /etc/hosts
 and it all works as expected. Fun fun fun.

 --
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 B2C
 e-tailers as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08

 

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Re: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9

2010-06-22 Thread Daniel Mackey

That's interesting. I don't get any messages logged and the server stays
up

I might give the heap space a lash and see

I'm always confused as to where to set the heap, perma and all that jazz and
what effects it all has

Dan.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Tom Chiverton tom.chiver...@halliwells.com
 wrote:


 Update:
 I now can't get anything to work on the box, because :

 Error,jrpp-15,06/22/10,15:10:25,billpack,Java heap space The
 specific sequence of files included or processed is:
 /home/chivertont/workspace/billpack/webroot/t.cfm'' 
 java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space

 Of course a swift bounce of CF fixes that, but I wonder if you could try
 increasing you heap size to beyond the file size and see what happens ?

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Re: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9

2010-06-22 Thread Daniel Mackey

Unfortunately changing the heap (to 1024) didn't make a blind bit of
difference :-(

Anyone got any suggestions on a possible work around?

Dan.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Daniel Mackey dmac...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's interesting. I don't get any messages logged and the server stays
 up

 I might give the heap space a lash and see

 I'm always confused as to where to set the heap, perma and all that jazz
 and what effects it all has

 Dan.


 On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Tom Chiverton 
 tom.chiver...@halliwells.com wrote:


 Update:
 I now can't get anything to work on the box, because :

 Error,jrpp-15,06/22/10,15:10:25,billpack,Java heap space The
 specific sequence of files included or processed is:
 /home/chivertont/workspace/billpack/webroot/t.cfm'' 
 java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space

 Of course a swift bounce of CF fixes that, but I wonder if you could try
 increasing you heap size to beyond the file size and see what happens ?

 --
 Tom Chiverton
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 the
 IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08

 

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RE: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9

2010-06-22 Thread Paul Alkema

Did you restart the ColdFusion service after making this change? Increasing
the Maximum JVM Heap Size doesn't take effect until the cf service is
restarted.

How much disk space is left on your server? How much ram does your server
have?

-Original Message-
From: Daniel Mackey [mailto:dmac...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:39 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9


Unfortunately changing the heap (to 1024) didn't make a blind bit of
difference :-(

Anyone got any suggestions on a possible work around?

Dan.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Daniel Mackey dmac...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's interesting. I don't get any messages logged and the server stays
 up

 I might give the heap space a lash and see

 I'm always confused as to where to set the heap, perma and all that jazz
 and what effects it all has

 Dan.


 On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Tom Chiverton 
 tom.chiver...@halliwells.com wrote:


 Update:
 I now can't get anything to work on the box, because :

 Error,jrpp-15,06/22/10,15:10:25,billpack,Java heap space The
 specific sequence of files included or processed is:
 /home/chivertont/workspace/billpack/webroot/t.cfm'' 
 java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space

 Of course a swift bounce of CF fixes that, but I wonder if you could try
 increasing you heap size to beyond the file size and see what happens ?

 --
 Tom Chiverton
 Helping to greatly seize B2B mission-critical compelling niches as part
of
 the
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Re: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9

2010-06-22 Thread Daniel Mackey

Yeah, I restarted the service.

We have 1 terrabyte free and 24gigs of RAM.

I'm truly perplexed at this one. Exact same code ran fine on CF8 with the
same settings on the same server

Dan.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Paul Alkema paulalkemadesi...@gmail.comwrote:


 Did you restart the ColdFusion service after making this change? Increasing
 the Maximum JVM Heap Size doesn't take effect until the cf service is
 restarted.

 How much disk space is left on your server? How much ram does your server
 have?

 -Original Message-
 From: Daniel Mackey [mailto:dmac...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:39 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9


 Unfortunately changing the heap (to 1024) didn't make a blind bit of
 difference :-(

 Anyone got any suggestions on a possible work around?

 Dan.

 On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Daniel Mackey dmac...@gmail.com wrote:

  That's interesting. I don't get any messages logged and the server stays
  up
 
  I might give the heap space a lash and see
 
  I'm always confused as to where to set the heap, perma and all that jazz
  and what effects it all has
 
  Dan.
 
 
  On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Tom Chiverton 
  tom.chiver...@halliwells.com wrote:
 
 
  Update:
  I now can't get anything to work on the box, because :
 
  Error,jrpp-15,06/22/10,15:10:25,billpack,Java heap space The
  specific sequence of files included or processed is:
  /home/chivertont/workspace/billpack/webroot/t.cfm'' 
  java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
 
  Of course a swift bounce of CF fixes that, but I wonder if you could try
  increasing you heap size to beyond the file size and see what happens ?
 
  --
  Tom Chiverton
  Helping to greatly seize B2B mission-critical compelling niches as part
 of
  the
  IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08
 
  
 
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