Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-08 Thread Mark Drew
To back the CF team, I think they are referring to CF8 (the server)  
being RC1. The documentation and other bits that go along with it are  
marked Beta, which is fine, I mean, just look at the quantity of  
stuff that is related and would need to be updated:

Documentation
CF Reference (file named _rc, but content marked beta) 1864 Pages
Configuring and Administering CF, 230 pages
Developer Guide (also named _rc) 1674 PAges
Installation and Configuration (again, named rc but has beta written  
on it)
etc... etc..

Now , this goes the same for the site, and for the extensions. So  
much stuff when they are referring to the same product, ColdFusion 8  
Public Beta. Which you (dont quote me on this) can assume is a  
release candidate.

I may be mistaken but Adobe is doing a good thing to let us  
developers play with ColdFusion before it is even released, this  
means that bugs that crop up when (ab)used by the public can be  
brought to light, so if you have a bug, let the Coldfusion team know!  
That IS the whole point of pre-release software and releasing it to  
the public, so we dont then have to have a CF 8.2 release that fixes  
the bugs.

If you have bugs, or problems etc with this , as yet unreleased,  
software, go to:
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm? 
forumid=72catid=648entercat=y

And discuss it there

Mark Drew
(needing more coffee)



On 8 Jul 2007, at 02:21, Andrew Scott wrote:

 Peter,

 I would agree, there are so many issues doing stuff that unless we  
 know they
 are fixed we are going to have to assume that they are.

 I know eveytime I do something with the ajax UI stuff I come across  
 bug
 after bug after bug.



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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-08 Thread Peter Tilbrook
Absolutely! And the documentation itself (huger and huger) is also beta so if 
you spot issues then report them through the usual channels.

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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-08 Thread Casey Dougall
I herd from an Adobe engineer that there is a Gold RC install that would be
floating around to a select few, that this Gold RC gets a week of play and
if everything is OK tag wise and other it's shipped, or pulled.


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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-08 Thread Peter Tilbrook
Doubtful.

For starters you require special permission from Adobe to host sites even under 
CF8.

A gold disk is premature. There are many issues in the public beta (or RC - 
for Andy Scott) that I am not convinced have been rectified without another 
release candidate. CF has been the backbone of my company for 12 years (CF 
turns 12 tomorrow - the 10th of July). CF8 is cementing that relationship more 
than ever. Release it when it is ready and not before.

One hosting provider offers CF8 hosting - but bizarrely anything you uploaded 
would not execute like it did on your local dev box. Waste of time really.

Folks like Ben Forta, Ray Camden and Adobe themselves are already doing that. 
If they are running a version of CF8 that no-one else has - especially the beta 
testers who have been running with it since Alpha 1 - well - not happy Jan!

Oh yeah and if you have the RAM - CF8 and SQL Server 2005 run happily on XP 
Tablet Edition.

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RE: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-08 Thread Eric Roberts
I have been running 8 on my dev box.  I have been part of the beta team
since I think late last year...early this year. I ran into issues on the
first beta release and most of that was fixed in the second one.  I also ran
into a few bugs that got fixed in the second beta...and a couple more that
have been reported in latest RC.  That is how the process works.  They
shouldn't release it as a final release until they at least get it down to
annoyances that do not impede proper operation.  It's best to make us wait
for a great product than to release a POS just to get it out quick.

Eric

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Subject: Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

Doubtful.

For starters you require special permission from Adobe to host sites even
under CF8.

A gold disk is premature. There are many issues in the public beta (or RC
- for Andy Scott) that I am not convinced have been rectified without
another release candidate. CF has been the backbone of my company for 12
years (CF turns 12 tomorrow - the 10th of July). CF8 is cementing that
relationship more than ever. Release it when it is ready and not before.

One hosting provider offers CF8 hosting - but bizarrely anything you
uploaded would not execute like it did on your local dev box. Waste of time
really.

Folks like Ben Forta, Ray Camden and Adobe themselves are already doing
that. If they are running a version of CF8 that no-one else has - especially
the beta testers who have been running with it since Alpha 1 - well - not
happy Jan!

Oh yeah and if you have the RAM - CF8 and SQL Server 2005 run happily on XP
Tablet Edition.



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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-08 Thread Casey Dougall
On 7/8/07, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Doubtful.

 For starters you require special permission from Adobe to host sites even
 under CF8.

 A gold disk is premature. There are many issues in the public beta (or
 RC - for Andy Scott) that I am not convinced have been rectified without
 another release candidate. CF has been the backbone of my company for 12
 years (CF turns 12 tomorrow - the 10th of July). CF8 is cementing that
 relationship more than ever. Release it when it is ready and not before.


I was just saying that when they finish this round of bug fixes, they would
have a gold RC as the next step, I don't have a clue as to when it would be
released.


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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-07 Thread Ali Majdzadeh
There's a few people here that havent switched to CFEclipse and are
still using Dreamweaver. Does anyone know if Adobe is planning on
releasing CF8 extensions for Dreamweaver?

Thanks

Why should all migrate from DW to CFECLIPSE. I like eclipse but DW is what I 
always loved and will love. I know adobe didn't improve it very well but I 
still use and believe in DW.
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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-07 Thread Peter Tilbrook
They already have. But like the product they are only at Release Candidate 
(they work for bothe DW8 and DW9 (CS3)).

See:

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusion8/


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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-07 Thread Andrew Scott
RC my arse...

All documentation, links everything to do with Coldfusion in the public
clearly states Beta. Download the documentation and its beta all over the
place.

As for RC Peter, I think you better forget that phrase along the lines of
your request and patch statements.

I think we all know that it is not final, until release


On 7/7/07, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 They already have. But like the product they are only at Release Candidate
 (they work for bothe DW8 and DW9 (CS3)).

 See:

 http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusion8/


 

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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-07 Thread Peter Tilbrook
I don't like your tone.

And they are the same version - just ask Damon Cooper or anyone else on the 
development team.

What got up you arse this evening?

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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-07 Thread Andrew Scott
Good for you Peter.

You don't need to refer to it as RC when it is going to confuse people, when
Adobe refer to it as Beta... Thats my point and I have mentioned that to you
on many occasions and yet you still contiue to do it.

We both know that they are the same, but not everyone is going to know that
and its just going to confuse them any more.

If you refer to it as a Public Beta like Adobe then people are going to know
what you refer too, are they not.


On 7/8/07, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't like your tone.

 And they are the same version - just ask Damon Cooper or anyone else on
 the development team.

 What got up you arse this evening?

 

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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-07 Thread Peter Tilbrook
Yes even the RC doco's say Beta which is confusing indeed.

Was asked today by Adobe if I thought CF was ready for release. Not yet unless 
major fixes have been made to RC 1 - would rather see a RC 2 first. I mean RC 
is good but many of us have issues we would prefer to see sorted before Adobe 
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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
It is confusing as an RC should in no way be confused with Beta software.


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Good for you Peter.

You don't need to refer to it as RC when it is going to confuse people, when
Adobe refer to it as Beta... Thats my point and I have mentioned that to you
on many occasions and yet you still contiue to do it.

We both know that they are the same, but not everyone is going to know that
and its just going to confuse them any more.

If you refer to it as a Public Beta like Adobe then people are going to know
what you refer too, are they not.


On 7/8/07, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't like your tone.

 And they are the same version - just ask Damon Cooper or anyone else on
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 What got up you arse this evening?

 



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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-07 Thread Andrew Scott
Well one of the things I hope they document more, is the Ajax stuff.

I was trying to create a window, with code and there is no docs as to how to
do this.




On 7/8/07, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes even the RC doco's say Beta which is confusing indeed.

 Was asked today by Adobe if I thought CF was ready for release. Not yet
 unless major fixes have been made to RC 1 - would rather see a RC 2 first. I
 mean RC is good but many of us have issues we would prefer to see sorted
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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-07 Thread Andrew Scott
HUH?

You are worse than Peter


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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
I mean, in normal software release cycles a beta is not a release
candidate, far from it.

If Adobe call their release candidate a beta then I can see it can be
confusing.






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HUH?

You are worse than Peter


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RE: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-07 Thread Eric Roberts
I believe the beta site has DW extensions if I am not mistaken.

Eric

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Subject: Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

There's a few people here that havent switched to CFEclipse and are
still using Dreamweaver. Does anyone know if Adobe is planning on
releasing CF8 extensions for Dreamweaver?

Thanks

Why should all migrate from DW to CFECLIPSE. I like eclipse but DW is what I
always loved and will love. I know adobe didn't improve it very well but I
still use and believe in DW.
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RE: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-07 Thread Eric Roberts
I think the beta site says that it is a release candidate on the top of the
page.  Release candidate just means that this could potentially be the
release version if there is nothing found wrong with it.  RC's are usually
on the tail end of the beta

Eric

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RC my arse...

All documentation, links everything to do with Coldfusion in the public
clearly states Beta. Download the documentation and its beta all over the
place.

As for RC Peter, I think you better forget that phrase along the lines of
your request and patch statements.

I think we all know that it is not final, until release


On 7/7/07, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 They already have. But like the product they are only at Release Candidate
 (they work for bothe DW8 and DW9 (CS3)).

 See:

 http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusion8/


 



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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-07 Thread Peter Tilbrook
No he is correct. On the Adobe Pre-Release site it is RC (or release candidate 
1) - elsewhere it is a public beta. They are at the time of writing the same 
thing however. The downloads, the docs, the extensions - are the same. I would 
expect at least one more RC before release unless the Adobe Engineers have 
really pulled out all guns. Personally would prefer at least one more RC than 
have to patch down the track.

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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-07 Thread Andrew Scott
Peter,

I would agree, there are so many issues doing stuff that unless we know they
are fixed we are going to have to assume that they are.

I know eveytime I do something with the ajax UI stuff I come across bug
after bug after bug.


On 7/8/07, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No he is correct. On the Adobe Pre-Release site it is RC (or release
 candidate 1) - elsewhere it is a public beta. They are at the time of
 writing the same thing however. The downloads, the docs, the extensions -
 are the same. I would expect at least one more RC before release unless the
 Adobe Engineers have really pulled out all guns. Personally would prefer at
 least one more RC than have to patch down the track.

 

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RE: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-06 Thread John Mason
I think there was dw/homesite extensions link with the cf 8 beta download. 

John
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Re: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-06 Thread Casey Dougall
On 7/6/07, Greg Morphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There's a few people here that havent switched to CFEclipse and are
 still using Dreamweaver. Does anyone know if Adobe is planning on
 releasing CF8 extensions for Dreamweaver?

 Thanks


There are a few people who have taken a look at labs.adobe.com and
downloaded such extensions.


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RE: Dreamweaver extensions for CF8

2007-07-06 Thread O�uz_Demirkap
http://www.adobe.com/go/coldfusion8_dwext

ColdFusion 8 beta tag updates for Dreamweaver CS3

This download provides Dreamweaver CS3 users with an extension package file
that adds support for all of the new language and tag enhancements included
within the ColdFusion 8 beta.

FYI.


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