RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
Well, except that RDS only has a single user... Well not even a user, just a password, which is the same for every user. And doesn't RDS allow access to the entire file system as well? These questions are likely version dependent... - Calvin -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse? Oh, and tell your server people they're stupid. ;) I just unloaded a mouthful of diet coke onto my screen. LOL They allow RDS and not FTP.. Too funny. As a stupid server guy myself, I have two things to say about this. First, most server administrators allow RDS because they don't know anything about it. There aren't any RDS-specific ports, and RDS is enabled by default. Second, RDS is a bit easier to secure in some respects. FTP is a pain in the ass, when it comes to setting up firewall rules. It behaves differently in active and passive modes, and each mode has its own problems. RDS is just plain ol' HTTP - easy to secure, easy to block, and so on. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217206 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
Well, except that RDS only has a single user... Well not even a user, just a password, which is the same for every user. Yeah, that was a giant step backwards for CFMX, although I don't think too many people used CF 4/5's Advanced Security functionality to control RDS access. And doesn't RDS allow access to the entire file system as well? By default, yes, unless you limit the rights of the user account running CF - which is a very good idea even if you're not using RDS. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217208 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
On Friday 02 September 2005 15:25, Dave Watts wrote: And doesn't RDS allow access to the entire file system as well? By default, yes, unless you limit the rights of the user account running CF - which is a very good idea even if you're not using RDS. Which just emphasis why RDS shouldn't be used - not secure by default. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217211 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
Which just emphasis why RDS shouldn't be used - not secure by default. By that criterion, what could you use? Very few things are truly secure by default. CF isn't. Web servers aren't. This is why systems administrators get paid more than, say, gas station attendants. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217213 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
On Friday 02 September 2005 16:11, Dave Watts wrote: By that criterion, what could you use? Very few things are truly secure by default. CF isn't. Web servers aren't. Web servers don't let you change any file on the file system from anywhere in the world. Certainly Apache doesn't in it's default configuration. Can't speak for IIS, wouldn't want to :-) -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217216 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
I think that's pretty significant, but that's just my take. The single user thing is a huge deal. And even limiting access on the file system to just the web directories, means that everyone who uses that account has access to everyone else's files. What I'd like to see is the database and component functionality placed in a fashion that no longer requires RDS and can be secured by other more granular methods of access control, such as os/network/firewall (which all exist for RDS, but then you're right back to controlling RDS file system access again, which is silly if that's all that you need it for. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 10:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse? Well, except that RDS only has a single user... Well not even a user, just a password, which is the same for every user. Yeah, that was a giant step backwards for CFMX, although I don't think too many people used CF 4/5's Advanced Security functionality to control RDS access. And doesn't RDS allow access to the entire file system as well? By default, yes, unless you limit the rights of the user account running CF - which is a very good idea even if you're not using RDS. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217217 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
Which just emphasis why RDS shouldn't be used - not secure by default. By that criterion, what could you use? Very few things are truly secure by default. CF isn't. Web servers aren't. This is why systems administrators get paid more than, say, gas station attendants. Yeah, gas stations usually have closed-circuit TV cameras and bullet-proof glass windows after hours. :) s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217218 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
-Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What I'd like to see is the database and component functionality placed in a fashion that no longer requires RDS and can be secured by other more granular methods of access control, Personally I think CFMX7's administration tags are a step towards remote management without using RDS, I wouldn't be surprised if the new Dreamweaver 8 included features for this. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217220 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
That'd be nice, but it's not listed in the feature list on macromedia's site. I suppose we could just emulate the functionality and figure out an extension to dreamweaver to integrated it... -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 11:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse? -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What I'd like to see is the database and component functionality placed in a fashion that no longer requires RDS and can be secured by other more granular methods of access control, Personally I think CFMX7's administration tags are a step towards remote management without using RDS, I wouldn't be surprised if the new Dreamweaver 8 included features for this. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217227 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
I didn't say FTP was any better. More secure in that you can have per-user credentials, but as you say, it's a major PITA to set up correctly. FTP over SSH, however, alleviates a lot of the problems, adds transport security, and doesn't diminish the capabilities in any way. My fav, though, is still rsync over SSH, since it's remarkably simple to use, doesn't require any server-side config (aside from having rsync installed), has all the security of SSH, and is very well suited to updates to existing things, since it uses diffs rather than blasting the full contents of files. cheers, barneyb On 9/1/05, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and tell your server people they're stupid. ;) I just unloaded a mouthful of diet coke onto my screen. LOL They allow RDS and not FTP.. Too funny. As a stupid server guy myself, I have two things to say about this. First, most server administrators allow RDS because they don't know anything about it. There aren't any RDS-specific ports, and RDS is enabled by default. Second, RDS is a bit easier to secure in some respects. FTP is a pain in the ass, when it comes to setting up firewall rules. It behaves differently in active and passive modes, and each mode has its own problems. RDS is just plain ol' HTTP - easy to secure, easy to block, and so on. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217229 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
Personally I think CFMX7's administration tags are a step towards remote management without using RDS, I wouldn't be surprised if the new Dreamweaver 8 included features for this. I could be wrong, but I don't think they give you a way to interact with the filesystem or with datasources, as does RDS. I have a sneaking suspicion that Dreamweaver MX 2004 with the CFMX 7 Extensions installed uses some of the CFMX 7 admin API functionality, to enable and disable debugging. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217230 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
By that criterion, what could you use? Very few things are truly secure by default. CF isn't. Web servers aren't. Web servers don't let you change any file on the file system from anywhere in the world. Certainly Apache doesn't in it's default configuration. Can't speak for IIS, wouldn't want to :-) I think you're missing my point. An attacker needn't change any file on the filesystem in order to root a server. My point was simply that nothing is secure by default, and if you're going to run something you need to be aware of the potential vulnerabilities that are exposed by whatever you run. As for IIS's security, IIS 6 is pretty good in its default configuration. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217232 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
Personally I think CFMX7's administration tags are a step towards remote management without using RDS, I wouldn't be surprised if the new Dreamweaver 8 included features for this. I could be wrong, but I don't think they give you a way to interact with the filesystem or with datasources, as does RDS. I have a sneaking suspicion that Dreamweaver MX 2004 with the CFMX 7 Extensions installed uses some of the CFMX 7 admin API functionality, to enable and disable debugging. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Datasources yes -- not sure about file system... but I wouldn't be surprised if they provide access to the configuration of security sandboxes... not sure how that would translate to file system access in something like Dreamweaver, but it's at least related... s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217250 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
Nope, sure isn't. RDS is a propriatery protocol that Allaire developed, and there isn't a public specification for it, so it's hard to build a client (you have to packet sniff everything to figure out how it works, and then you're still probably in violation of some copyright or another). If MM shares the spec (which I've heard might happen, though only through unreliable channels), then it's possible some RDS support will appear in CFE. But even if it does, I suspect that'll be more centered around getting data from the server not the file upload capability, since there are myriad better ways to do that. But that's all 100% speculation. Oh, and tell your server people they're stupid. ;) cheers, barneyb On 9/1/05, Johnny Le [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there an RDS plugin for CFEclipse? I currently using RDS on Dreamweaver to upload files to the server and RDS is only method that they (the server people) allow me to use. I can't even use FTP. I want to switch over to CFEclipse, but I don't want to switch back and forth between Dreamweaver and CFEclipse to upload files to the server. Johnny -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217178 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, and tell your server people they're stupid. ;) I just unloaded a mouthful of diet coke onto my screen. LOL They allow RDS and not FTP.. Too funny. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217180 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
So is there an FTP plugin for CFEclipse? From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, and tell your server people they're stupid. ;) I just unloaded a mouthful of diet coke onto my screen. LOL They allow RDS and not FTP.. Too funny. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217183 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
Yes, you can have FTP support in CFE. There was actually a recent discussion on how to use it on the CFEclipse mailing list and Ryan Stewart wrote a Quick and Dirty how-to for it. http://www.digitalbackcountry.com/index.cfm/2005/8/18/Quick-and-Dirty-FTP-Tu torial-for-CFEclipse -Original Message- From: Johnny Le [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RDS Plugin for Eclipse? So is there an FTP plugin for CFEclipse? From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, and tell your server people they're stupid. ;) I just unloaded a mouthful of diet coke onto my screen. LOL They allow RDS and not FTP.. Too funny. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217185 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
Oh, and tell your server people they're stupid. ;) I just unloaded a mouthful of diet coke onto my screen. LOL They allow RDS and not FTP.. Too funny. As a stupid server guy myself, I have two things to say about this. First, most server administrators allow RDS because they don't know anything about it. There aren't any RDS-specific ports, and RDS is enabled by default. Second, RDS is a bit easier to secure in some respects. FTP is a pain in the ass, when it comes to setting up firewall rules. It behaves differently in active and passive modes, and each mode has its own problems. RDS is just plain ol' HTTP - easy to secure, easy to block, and so on. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217186 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As a stupid server guy myself, I have two things to say about this. First, most server administrators allow RDS because they don't know anything about it. Well I say shame on them then. Any competant admin will take the time to look into the issues that come with allowing certain applications/protocols/etc...to run. I have never worked in a place that has allowed it. Our admins have never complained about the FTP configs, then again all the server admins and network guys are pretty seasoned. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217189 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
Dave, Geez... I hear you about FTP in active/passive mode. I spent 3 hours this week just wrestling with a setup for a customer who does everything through a home office - meaning a SOHO firewall and freeware FTP server on XP home (ick!). That passive mode is the devil to configure through NAT and the standard ports on low-end network equipment. And the ISP rules for residential wreak havoc with FTP as well (I'm sure they love home users running FTP - ha). -Mark -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse? Oh, and tell your server people they're stupid. ;) I just unloaded a mouthful of diet coke onto my screen. LOL They allow RDS and not FTP.. Too funny. As a stupid server guy myself, I have two things to say about this. First, most server administrators allow RDS because they don't know anything about it. There aren't any RDS-specific ports, and RDS is enabled by default. Second, RDS is a bit easier to secure in some respects. FTP is a pain in the ass, when it comes to setting up firewall rules. It behaves differently in active and passive modes, and each mode has its own problems. RDS is just plain ol' HTTP - easy to secure, easy to block, and so on. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217190 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
Well I say shame on them then. Any competant admin will take the time to look into the issues that come with allowing certain applications/protocols/etc...to run. That's the thing, though - from a typical network administrator's viewpoint, RDS isn't an application or a protocol. It's not listening on any port. I'm not saying that administrators shouldn't block RDS, but it's not nearly as noticeable as running a listener. In large network environments, administrators often don't know the ramifications of every server software package they manage. I have never worked in a place that has allowed it. Our admins have never complained about the FTP configs, then again all the server admins and network guys are pretty seasoned. Many seasoned network guys hate to run FTP, because it typically involves allowing bad things. Here's a simple description of FTP problems and solutions: http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html But again, RDS is just plain old HTTP, and comparatively easy to manage. If I had to pick one or the other, I'd choose RDS in many cases. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217192 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: RDS Plugin for Eclipse?
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] That's the thing, though - from a typical network administrator's viewpoint, RDS isn't an application or a protocol. It's not listening on any port. I'm not saying that administrators shouldn't block RDS, but it's not nearly as noticeable as running a listener. In large network environments, administrators often don't know the ramifications of every server software package they manage. True.. True.. I guess our network guys/girls are up to speed on it since they know what we are up to all the time; especially with ColdFusion, etc. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217193 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
