Re: Where DO you put beta software?
On Friday, Jun 6, 2003, at 15:57 US/Pacific, Mike Kear wrote: > And what do you do on the beta machines? DO you do 'real' work on > them to > test them in 'real life' situations or do you only do dummy work on > them? Since all my installations are CFMX for J2EE, I have a bunch of different versions installed on the same machine since they cannot interfere with each other. Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Where DO you put beta software?
Beta I dont put put beta anywhere, but on my beta machine. I have a machine in place that is just for beta stuff (Nothing else..) Even the OS is a beta version of Windows 2003 Server :) Pablo - Original Message - From: "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Where DO you put beta software? > Throughout the MX beta cycle, I dual-ran CFMX wit CF 4.5 on my main dev box. I also put it on my win2k laptop exclusively and used that as a 'clean' test environment. I still do it, but am now using production versions of everything. > > Letting CF run as a standalone server on a nonstandard port was a great thing for beta testing. > > --- > Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com > --- > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Mike Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 08:57:38 +1000 > > >"Never put Beta software on production machines" > > > >"Never put beta software on critical machines" > > > >"Never put beta software on machines doing live projects". > > > >Well that covers all the machines in my business.Where do the rest of > >you put beta software? Surely you don't all have spare machines doing > >nothing most of the time. Or do you? > > > >And what do you do on the beta machines? DO you do 'real' work on them to > >test them in 'real life' situations or do you only do dummy work on them? > > > > > >Cheers, > >Michael Kear > >Windsor, NSW, Australia > >AFP Webworks. > > > > > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >Why not join the beta? Then you can make sure it is fixed. > > > >Jochem > > > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Virtual PC versus VMWare (was RE: Where DO you put beta software?)
> -Original Message- > From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:01 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Virtual PC versus VMWare (was RE: Where DO you put beta > software?) > > Great info. Thanks, Jim. > > /Charlie As an aside - one thing that may be obvious but bears repeating: with a VPC/VMWare set up you stay comfortable: you use the same monitor/keyboard/mouse you use all the time and can run literally as many "machines" as you like from one chair (actually as many machines as your RAM and proc will allow). With physical machines you get speed and segmentation (which is why I still use them) but you need more hardware and they're potentially less comfortable. The "best" way, if possible, is to use a KVM switch box (this is what I do) but they can be expensive (especially for more than 4 ports) and have limits. For example my LCD monitors and my Matrox Parhelia card allow for dual DVI connections - but I can't do it AND go through my KVM. Without a KVM then you have a collection of monitors and keyboards to deal with. In everyday use you can get away with remote control software (PC Anywhere or one of it's ilk) but you'll need a hardline enough to drive you crazy. Besides, with all the money you might have spent on hardware you can get that 3GHz P4 and a coupla Gig of RAM - then your virtual PCs will really fly. I guess what I'm saying is that virtual computing has many technical advantages but also (sometimes forgotten) many ergonomic and stress-reduction aspects as well. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Virtual PC versus VMWare (was RE: Where DO you put beta software?)
Great info. Thanks, Jim. /charlie > -Original Message- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 8:49 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Virtual PC versus VMWare (was RE: Where DO you put beta > software?) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:50 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Virtual PC versus VMWare (was RE: Where DO you put beta > > software?) > > > > Ah, that's the other one I'd heard about. Can anyone speak to > differences > > between Virtual PC and VMWare? I've used only the latter. > > I've only used the former, so I guess we're at an impasse. ;^) > > A few things to consider however: > > VirtualPC was recently purchased by MS and will be the core of their > upcoming "Virtual Server" product. If you have strong feelings about MS > this may be an issue for you. Even if you don't the upgrade and support > policies haven't been made all that clear - this may also be an issue > for you. > > VMWare is a little more expensive - but not greatly so ($299 vrs $229). > > You do need some juice (I'm assuming for both). Using a 1Ghz PIII and > VPC 4 my son's games would stutter sometimes (we're talking "Thomas the > Tank Engine", "Putt-putt" and "Reader Rabbit" - not "Quake"). Under the > P4 and VPC 5 they're smooth as silk. > > Just from the feature set I think that VMMare may be more developer > focused. For example you can (according to the site) do "snapshots" of > system states and revert at any time. You can do this in VPC, but it's > a much more manual process. > > VMWare also runs on Linux, VPC doesn't. It also supports more "virtual > devices" - for example it contains virtual SCSI devices where VPC > doesn't. > > >From looking at the screenshots I actually really like the VMWare PC > management (all in one tabbed window). VPC creates a separate window > for each PC (which actually may be better considering each VPC can have > a custom resolution). > > >From the little I've seen actually setting up a PC seems a little easier > in VPC and I think that performance may be better... but I'm not sure. > > However in the end they seem a heck of a lot more similar than > different: > > 1) Both allow for the guest PC to run full screen. > > 2) Both allow for virtual disks to be created in many ways (as a dynamic > or static file, linked to a physical partition, etc) > > 3) Both allow you to "mount" a host CD ROM as a virtual CD. > > 4) Both allow you to mount an ISO CD image as a virtual disc (insanely > useful IMHO). > > 5) Both have a quite a few options for performance sharing between the > VPC(s) and the host and multiple VPCs. > > 6) Both emulate pretty much the same hardware: Intel NICs, SoundBlaster > sound, S3 video, etc > > Feature for feature they're almost exactly the same. > > >From what I've seen I don't think that you could go wrong with either. > Both have trail downloads - I'd try them and see which one grows on you. > I don't think that you'll notice much in the way of features or > performance that will sway you - it'll probably be interface. > > Jim Davis > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Virtual PC versus VMWare (was RE: Where DO you put beta software?)
> -Original Message- > From: Charlie Arehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:50 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Virtual PC versus VMWare (was RE: Where DO you put beta > software?) > > Ah, that's the other one I'd heard about. Can anyone speak to differences > between Virtual PC and VMWare? I've used only the latter. I've only used the former, so I guess we're at an impasse. ;^) A few things to consider however: VirtualPC was recently purchased by MS and will be the core of their upcoming "Virtual Server" product. If you have strong feelings about MS this may be an issue for you. Even if you don't the upgrade and support policies haven't been made all that clear - this may also be an issue for you. VMWare is a little more expensive - but not greatly so ($299 vrs $229). You do need some juice (I'm assuming for both). Using a 1Ghz PIII and VPC 4 my son's games would stutter sometimes (we're talking "Thomas the Tank Engine", "Putt-putt" and "Reader Rabbit" - not "Quake"). Under the P4 and VPC 5 they're smooth as silk. Just from the feature set I think that VMMare may be more developer focused. For example you can (according to the site) do "snapshots" of system states and revert at any time. You can do this in VPC, but it's a much more manual process. VMWare also runs on Linux, VPC doesn't. It also supports more "virtual devices" - for example it contains virtual SCSI devices where VPC doesn't. >From looking at the screenshots I actually really like the VMWare PC management (all in one tabbed window). VPC creates a separate window for each PC (which actually may be better considering each VPC can have a custom resolution). >From the little I've seen actually setting up a PC seems a little easier in VPC and I think that performance may be better... but I'm not sure. However in the end they seem a heck of a lot more similar than different: 1) Both allow for the guest PC to run full screen. 2) Both allow for virtual disks to be created in many ways (as a dynamic or static file, linked to a physical partition, etc) 3) Both allow you to "mount" a host CD ROM as a virtual CD. 4) Both allow you to mount an ISO CD image as a virtual disc (insanely useful IMHO). 5) Both have a quite a few options for performance sharing between the VPC(s) and the host and multiple VPCs. 6) Both emulate pretty much the same hardware: Intel NICs, SoundBlaster sound, S3 video, etc Feature for feature they're almost exactly the same. >From what I've seen I don't think that you could go wrong with either. Both have trail downloads - I'd try them and see which one grows on you. I don't think that you'll notice much in the way of features or performance that will sway you - it'll probably be interface. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Where DO you put beta software?
Yep, ghost is ESSENTIAL! ;) I've got an old p2 400, restore takes about 6.5 minutes. -Stace -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Where DO you put beta software? Mike Kear wrote: > "Never put Beta software on production machines" > > "Never put beta software on critical machines" > > "Never put beta software on machines doing live projects". > > Well that covers all the machines in my business.Where do the rest of > you put beta software? Surely you don't all have spare machines doing > nothing most of the time. Or do you? I don't. But at a place where I work as a volunteer sysadmin I claimed a staging server. I use that for almost all the beta stuff I get, and I run little projects there in between. But the real key to this setup is Ghost. I have a Ghost bootflop that mounts a Windows share on another server, and I have litterally dozens of Ghost images of all sorts of configurations. Various Windows versions, in different stages of installation and with different software installed. On a complete webserver install with Windows, IIS and CF MX I can roll back to at least 5 Ghost images from various points during the installation and configuration. If you work this way, you can even use a computer that serves as a administrative system from 9 to 5 as a testbed from 5 to 9, since a typical restore only takes 5 minutes. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Virtual PC versus VMWare (was RE: Where DO you put beta software?)
Ah, that's the other one I'd heard about. Can anyone speak to differences between Virtual PC and VMWare? I've used only the latter. Some will know the former as the basis for PC emulation within a Mac, but the company (connectix.com) also offers this more generic solution Jim offers (Virtual PC for Windows 5, http://www.connectix.com/products/vpc5w.html). I see it's offered with a 45 day trial and costs $229. As for comparisons, I just found a 6-page article (at http://www.connectix.com/about/pdf/vpc_vmware_t_b.pdf) explaining some of the differences between it and VMWare. Another is on p 22 of the 24-page document at http://www.connectix.com/downloadcenter/pdf/vpcw_eval_guide_web_043002.pdf. But if others have opinions, especially in terms of using the tools the way we would for this kind of testing, they'd be welcome. /charlie > -Original Message- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:25 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Where DO you put beta software? > > > I've got two options: > > For my business (personal) I've got three machines: two twin small-form > factor servers: 800 Mhz Celerons, 80 Gig drives, 512 Meg of RAM. One > server is pretty much set aside for testing and as a potential hot swap > for the other (both are hardware clones of each other so I can restore a > backup to either). The main one has 11 partitions for multi-booting. > Right now, for example, that machine's partitions are set up like so: > > 1) Windows 2k, plain (this is my "safety" partition) > 2) Windows 2k, CF 5, SQL 2000 > 3) Windows 2k, CFMX, SQL 2000 > 4) Windows 2k, CFMX, SQL 7.0 > 5) Windows 2k, CF4.5, SQL 6.5 > 6) Windows 2003 Server beta, CF "Red Sky" > 7-10) Empty > 11) A large shared partition containing the development files for all of > the other partitions. > > Basically each project can get a custom configured partition and there's > plenty left over for beta testing. > > As for the machines you can pick capable machines for $100-$200 easily - > well worth it if it keeps a well-paying client. > > The other option, which I use on my main work station (a P4 2.4Ghz) is > Virtual PC 5. With this you can easily test anything you like (as long > as it'll run on the 8086 architecture). I've got VPCs running Lindows > 4.0, Madrake 8, Windows 95, Windows 98 SE, Windows 2000 Pro, Windows > 2000 Server, Windows XP Pro, Windows XP Home, Windows 2003 Server > Standard, Windows 2003 Server Web, Windows 2003 Server Enterprise and > BeOS. > > The really cool thing about this option is that you have such great > control. Since each VPC "disk" is actually a file on the host machine > you can install an OS then copy the disk for a new machine to work on. > When ever you need a "fresh" install you just make another copy of the > original and set up another VPC. > > You can also copy the images from one machine to another. For example > when I discover something neat I can just copy that image to my office > machine - the same "machine" is then running in two places. > > This plays havoc with licensing but if you can rationalize your way out > of that one then you're set. > > Performance is actually better than you might thing. I've got all the > kids games on a VPC for example - no needing to install QuickTime 2.0 or > setting my screen to 800x600 on my development station. > > Really, highly recommended. > > > Jim Davis > President, http://www.depressedpress.com > Webmaster, http://www.firstnight.org > Webmaster, http://www.cfAdvocacy.org > Senior Consultant, http://www.metlife.com > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 6:58 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Where DO you put beta software? > > > > "Never put Beta software on production machines" > > > > "Never put beta software on critical machines" > > > > "Never put beta software on machines doing live projects". > > > > Well that covers all the machines in my business.Where do the rest > of > > you put beta software? Surely you don't all have spare machines > doing > > nothing most of the time. Or do you? > > > > And what do you do on the beta machines? DO you do 'real' work on > them to > > test them in 'real life' situations or do you only do dummy work on > them? > > > > > > Cheers, > > Michael Kear > > Windsor, NSW, Australia > > AFP Webworks. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Mess
Re: Where DO you put beta software?
Mike, We have one development box and one "beta" box. The development box is for new code, etc before it's uploaded to the production machines. The "beta" box is a machine that we use for installing beta software, unknown software, and just generally "trying things out". The machine has two hard drives... the main one... and a disconnected "image" drive. We use Norton Ghost to restore the drive about every other week or whenever we want to try something new. Computers really are inexpensive these days... I don't know about Australia but here in the USA you can buy find a bare bones system dirt cheap. A couple hundred dollars of investment goes a long way in preventing a headache sometimes. -Novak - Original Message - From: "Mike Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:57 PM Subject: Where DO you put beta software? > "Never put Beta software on production machines" > > "Never put beta software on critical machines" > > "Never put beta software on machines doing live projects". > > Well that covers all the machines in my business.Where do the rest of > you put beta software? Surely you don't all have spare machines doing > nothing most of the time. Or do you? > > And what do you do on the beta machines? DO you do 'real' work on them to > test them in 'real life' situations or do you only do dummy work on them? > > > Cheers, > Michael Kear > Windsor, NSW, Australia > AFP Webworks. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Why not join the beta? Then you can make sure it is fixed. > > Jochem > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Where DO you put beta software?
I've got two options: For my business (personal) I've got three machines: two twin small-form factor servers: 800 Mhz Celerons, 80 Gig drives, 512 Meg of RAM. One server is pretty much set aside for testing and as a potential hot swap for the other (both are hardware clones of each other so I can restore a backup to either). The main one has 11 partitions for multi-booting. Right now, for example, that machine's partitions are set up like so: 1) Windows 2k, plain (this is my "safety" partition) 2) Windows 2k, CF 5, SQL 2000 3) Windows 2k, CFMX, SQL 2000 4) Windows 2k, CFMX, SQL 7.0 5) Windows 2k, CF4.5, SQL 6.5 6) Windows 2003 Server beta, CF "Red Sky" 7-10) Empty 11) A large shared partition containing the development files for all of the other partitions. Basically each project can get a custom configured partition and there's plenty left over for beta testing. As for the machines you can pick capable machines for $100-$200 easily - well worth it if it keeps a well-paying client. The other option, which I use on my main work station (a P4 2.4Ghz) is Virtual PC 5. With this you can easily test anything you like (as long as it'll run on the 8086 architecture). I've got VPCs running Lindows 4.0, Madrake 8, Windows 95, Windows 98 SE, Windows 2000 Pro, Windows 2000 Server, Windows XP Pro, Windows XP Home, Windows 2003 Server Standard, Windows 2003 Server Web, Windows 2003 Server Enterprise and BeOS. The really cool thing about this option is that you have such great control. Since each VPC "disk" is actually a file on the host machine you can install an OS then copy the disk for a new machine to work on. When ever you need a "fresh" install you just make another copy of the original and set up another VPC. You can also copy the images from one machine to another. For example when I discover something neat I can just copy that image to my office machine - the same "machine" is then running in two places. This plays havoc with licensing but if you can rationalize your way out of that one then you're set. Performance is actually better than you might thing. I've got all the kids games on a VPC for example - no needing to install QuickTime 2.0 or setting my screen to 800x600 on my development station. Really, highly recommended. Jim Davis President, http://www.depressedpress.com Webmaster, http://www.firstnight.org Webmaster, http://www.cfAdvocacy.org Senior Consultant, http://www.metlife.com > -Original Message- > From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 6:58 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Where DO you put beta software? > > "Never put Beta software on production machines" > > "Never put beta software on critical machines" > > "Never put beta software on machines doing live projects". > > Well that covers all the machines in my business.Where do the rest of > you put beta software? Surely you don't all have spare machines doing > nothing most of the time. Or do you? > > And what do you do on the beta machines? DO you do 'real' work on them to > test them in 'real life' situations or do you only do dummy work on them? > > > Cheers, > Michael Kear > Windsor, NSW, Australia > AFP Webworks. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Why not join the beta? Then you can make sure it is fixed. > > Jochem > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Where DO you put beta software?
Of course, a separate machine would be best, or someone else's machine that will let you share their experience with beta testing something. With machines so cheap these days, for some testing, even a rather rudimentary one may be better than none at all. Another solution can be to use a tool like VMWARE (from vmware.com). Their Workstation tool creates any number of virtual machines inside your currently running OS (whether Windows or Linux). This is not about dual-booting but literally opening a Window on your system and in this window you see it booting a new "machine" with whatever OS (and whatever software) you want. And while for many the cool thing is the ability to launch one inside the other (Linux inside Windows, for instance), for me the value is to be able to run betas, or versions that can't coexist (like CF 4.5 and CF 5, or IE 5 and IE 6). Add to that the ability to have the "vm" optionally return to the state it started at on close (great for some situations), and lots more, and it's a powerful tool. Only a couple hundred bucks, but money well spent. /charlie > -Original Message- > From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 6:58 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Where DO you put beta software? > > > "Never put Beta software on production machines" > > "Never put beta software on critical machines" > > "Never put beta software on machines doing live projects". > > Well that covers all the machines in my business.Where do the rest of > you put beta software? Surely you don't all have spare machines doing > nothing most of the time. Or do you? > > And what do you do on the beta machines? DO you do 'real' work on them to > test them in 'real life' situations or do you only do dummy work on them? > > > Cheers, > Michael Kear > Windsor, NSW, Australia > AFP Webworks. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Why not join the beta? Then you can make sure it is fixed. > > Jochem > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Where DO you put beta software?
Mike Kear wrote: > "Never put Beta software on production machines" > > "Never put beta software on critical machines" > > "Never put beta software on machines doing live projects". > > Well that covers all the machines in my business.Where do the rest of > you put beta software? Surely you don't all have spare machines doing > nothing most of the time. Or do you? I don't. But at a place where I work as a volunteer sysadmin I claimed a staging server. I use that for almost all the beta stuff I get, and I run little projects there in between. But the real key to this setup is Ghost. I have a Ghost bootflop that mounts a Windows share on another server, and I have litterally dozens of Ghost images of all sorts of configurations. Various Windows versions, in different stages of installation and with different software installed. On a complete webserver install with Windows, IIS and CF MX I can roll back to at least 5 Ghost images from various points during the installation and configuration. If you work this way, you can even use a computer that serves as a administrative system from 9 to 5 as a testbed from 5 to 9, since a typical restore only takes 5 minutes. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Where DO you put beta software?
Throughout the MX beta cycle, I dual-ran CFMX wit CF 4.5 on my main dev box. I also put it on my win2k laptop exclusively and used that as a 'clean' test environment. I still do it, but am now using production versions of everything. Letting CF run as a standalone server on a nonstandard port was a great thing for beta testing. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 08:57:38 +1000 >"Never put Beta software on production machines" > >"Never put beta software on critical machines" > >"Never put beta software on machines doing live projects". > >Well that covers all the machines in my business.Where do the rest of >you put beta software? Surely you don't all have spare machines doing >nothing most of the time. Or do you? > >And what do you do on the beta machines? DO you do 'real' work on them to >test them in 'real life' situations or do you only do dummy work on them? > > >Cheers, >Michael Kear >Windsor, NSW, Australia >AFP Webworks. > > > > > >-Original Message- >From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Why not join the beta? Then you can make sure it is fixed. > >Jochem > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
