RE: macromedia certification
> I dont think its so much the company that cares about the cert. As a > manager that hires developers, and with my knowledge of CF certs I > dont add much (if any) weight to the fact they may/not have one. > > As a manager working with a team building a recruitment enterprise app > I can say that the systems used to rank candidates automatically in to > a shortlist DO bear weight to those kinds of things. This is > configurable stuff for agencies and recruiters, but the fact is - if > you have a cert over someone without then the ranking engine is > probably gonna put you above the next guy. > > This could mean the difference between shortlist & interview, > or the dole queue. I work for a 2000+ employee company here in Idaho (the power company), and I can say that our HR department does not use recruiters nor recruiter software. They post jobs on a couple of job boards, and then manually weed out the 50-100 resumes that come in. The 10 or so that match the job description get a phone interview, and after that 3-5 get a real interview. I know there are companies out there that use the software you describe, but in my limited experience most of them don't. -- This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:239088 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia certification
I think this guy who passed the test with absolutelty no CF knowledge at all proves otherwise though. -Original Message- From: "Andy Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:22:35 -0500 Subject: RE: macromedia certification > Russ... > > After taking a 12 week "certification class", reading through the study > guide book multiple times, and doing practice tests with the Exambuster > software, I honestly believe that you couldn't pass the test unless you > had > at least SOME experience using CF. > > Having a knowledge of the tags and functions along with their > parameters and > attributes would get you about 50% - 60% of the way to passing, but > there's > enough "gotcha" style questions that make the other parts of the test > problematic. > > andy matthews > web developer > ICGLink, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 615.370.1530 x737 > --//-> > > -Original Message----- > From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:24 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: macromedia certification > > > I guess, but then u still have that situation I mentioned, where > someone > who knows nothing about CF can use the study guide to pass the exam > with > flying colors, so does I guess for people who do know CF, it promotes > you > to learn more, for the rest, it just teaches you how to pass the test. > > I did buy an MSCE book, but you have to be a lot more committed for > that I > think, cozz its a huge book :-) > > Snake > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:239046 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
nothing more important, than dot notation, structure notation, array notation and simple structure things... there were a lot of those. tw On 4/28/06, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Russ... > > After taking a 12 week "certification class", reading through the study > guide book multiple times, and doing practice tests with the Exambuster > software, I honestly believe that you couldn't pass the test unless you had > at least SOME experience using CF. > > Having a knowledge of the tags and functions along with their parameters and > attributes would get you about 50% - 60% of the way to passing, but there's > enough "gotcha" style questions that make the other parts of the test > problematic. > > andy matthews > web developer > ICGLink, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 615.370.1530 x737 > --//-> > > -Original Message- > From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:24 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: macromedia certification > > > I guess, but then u still have that situation I mentioned, where someone > who knows nothing about CF can use the study guide to pass the exam with > flying colors, so does I guess for people who do know CF, it promotes you > to learn more, for the rest, it just teaches you how to pass the test. > > I did buy an MSCE book, but you have to be a lot more committed for that I > think, cozz its a huge book :-) > > Snake > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:239042 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia certification
Russ... After taking a 12 week "certification class", reading through the study guide book multiple times, and doing practice tests with the Exambuster software, I honestly believe that you couldn't pass the test unless you had at least SOME experience using CF. Having a knowledge of the tags and functions along with their parameters and attributes would get you about 50% - 60% of the way to passing, but there's enough "gotcha" style questions that make the other parts of the test problematic. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: macromedia certification I guess, but then u still have that situation I mentioned, where someone who knows nothing about CF can use the study guide to pass the exam with flying colors, so does I guess for people who do know CF, it promotes you to learn more, for the rest, it just teaches you how to pass the test. I did buy an MSCE book, but you have to be a lot more committed for that I think, cozz its a huge book :-) Snake ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:239039 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
I guess, but then u still have that situation I mentioned, where someone who knows nothing about CF can use the study guide to pass the exam with flying colors, so does I guess for people who do know CF, it promotes you to learn more, for the rest, it just teaches you how to pass the test. I did buy an MSCE book, but you have to be a lot more committed for that I think, cozz its a huge book :-) Snake -Original Message- From: "Michael Traher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:08:14 +0100 Subject: Re: macromedia certification > Some developers need to have some specific motivation to do this :-) > > The certification process provides that. > > On 4/28/06, Russ Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Well when I started CF I just went through all the docs to get a > grasp on > > ALL tags and functions, so that I would know they were there if I > ever > > needed them. > > Needed needed any additional books for that. > > I would however say that you need to have some JAVA knolwedge these > days > > to be a CF expert, as it has most definately gone beyond just CFML. > > > > I wouldn't imagine many people have used CFLDAP, I never have, or > CFPOP > > for that matter. > > > > Snake > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: CF-Talk > > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:54:01 +0100 > > Subject: RE: macromedia certification > > > > > Mike I was going to say the same thing, but looks like you beat me > to > > > it - > > > but I agree - I think the value in doing certifications is in being > > > exposed > > > to every corner of the language so even if you've never used cfldap > or > > > cant > > > remember what a distinguished name is you are aware that there > > > something in > > > the product which can be used. > > > > > > Out of curiosity I wonder what tags/functions are the leased used. > > > Perhaps > > > the "forever depreciated but never actually removed" > parameterExists() > > > ;-) > > > > > > Kola > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Michael Traher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: 27 April 2006 23:05 > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: Re: macromedia certification > > > > > > > > I agree with Christophe. > > > > > > > > What the studying for the certificate does do is force you to > look at > > > the > > > > whole CF product, every tag and function. I think there is value > in > > > that > > > > process as it broadens your knowledge. > > > > > > > > In addition it makes you more precise since the questions are > > > annoyingly > > > > finicky, so you have to bother (at least while you study) to know > the > > > little > > > > details. > > > > > > > > For these reasons I encourage our developers to take the test. > > > > > > > > Certainly I agree it does not signify how skilled a developer you > > > are, or > > > > whether you will be an asset to a team or not since these are > more > > > complex > > > > issues, that can not be tested by a few multiple questions. :-) > > > > > > > > On 4/27/06, Russ Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > its called cfbuster i believe. > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: Christophe Maso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:12:43 -0400 > > > > > Subject: Re: macromedia certification > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of the CF Cert test - has anyone heard of a > preparation > > > > > > product called "testbuster"? I thought I saw something about > > > that > > > > > > linked off of the Macromedia site some time back, but can't > seem > > > to > > > > > > retrace it. > > > > > > > > > > > > On cert tests in general, sure, in the end they don't prove > much. > > > I'm > > > > > > having fun studying for the CF exam, though - getting > exposure to > > > a > > > few > > > > > > advanced features I've never had to use on the job, as well > as a > > > couple > > > > > > smalls tips and tricks I didn't know about before. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mike T > > > > Blog http://www.socialpoints.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:239035 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
Some developers need to have some specific motivation to do this :-) The certification process provides that. On 4/28/06, Russ Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well when I started CF I just went through all the docs to get a grasp on > ALL tags and functions, so that I would know they were there if I ever > needed them. > Needed needed any additional books for that. > I would however say that you need to have some JAVA knolwedge these days > to be a CF expert, as it has most definately gone beyond just CFML. > > I wouldn't imagine many people have used CFLDAP, I never have, or CFPOP > for that matter. > > Snake > > > -Original Message- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: CF-Talk > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:54:01 +0100 > Subject: RE: macromedia certification > > > Mike I was going to say the same thing, but looks like you beat me to > > it - > > but I agree - I think the value in doing certifications is in being > > exposed > > to every corner of the language so even if you've never used cfldap or > > cant > > remember what a distinguished name is you are aware that there > > something in > > the product which can be used. > > > > Out of curiosity I wonder what tags/functions are the leased used. > > Perhaps > > the "forever depreciated but never actually removed" parameterExists() > > ;-) > > > > Kola > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Michael Traher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 27 April 2006 23:05 > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: Re: macromedia certification > > > > > > I agree with Christophe. > > > > > > What the studying for the certificate does do is force you to look at > > the > > > whole CF product, every tag and function. I think there is value in > > that > > > process as it broadens your knowledge. > > > > > > In addition it makes you more precise since the questions are > > annoyingly > > > finicky, so you have to bother (at least while you study) to know the > > little > > > details. > > > > > > For these reasons I encourage our developers to take the test. > > > > > > Certainly I agree it does not signify how skilled a developer you > > are, or > > > whether you will be an asset to a team or not since these are more > > complex > > > issues, that can not be tested by a few multiple questions. :-) > > > > > > On 4/27/06, Russ Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > its called cfbuster i believe. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Christophe Maso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:12:43 -0400 > > > > Subject: Re: macromedia certification > > > > > > > > > Speaking of the CF Cert test - has anyone heard of a preparation > > > > > product called "testbuster"? I thought I saw something about > > that > > > > > linked off of the Macromedia site some time back, but can't seem > > to > > > > > retrace it. > > > > > > > > > > On cert tests in general, sure, in the end they don't prove much. > > I'm > > > > > having fun studying for the CF exam, though - getting exposure to > > a > > few > > > > > advanced features I've never had to use on the job, as well as a > > couple > > > > > smalls tips and tricks I didn't know about before. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Mike T > > > Blog http://www.socialpoints.com/ > > > > > > > > > ~ > > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:239034 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia certification
Well when I started CF I just went through all the docs to get a grasp on ALL tags and functions, so that I would know they were there if I ever needed them. Needed needed any additional books for that. I would however say that you need to have some JAVA knolwedge these days to be a CF expert, as it has most definately gone beyond just CFML. I wouldn't imagine many people have used CFLDAP, I never have, or CFPOP for that matter. Snake -Original Message- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:54:01 +0100 Subject: RE: macromedia certification > Mike I was going to say the same thing, but looks like you beat me to > it - > but I agree - I think the value in doing certifications is in being > exposed > to every corner of the language so even if you've never used cfldap or > cant > remember what a distinguished name is you are aware that there > something in > the product which can be used. > > Out of curiosity I wonder what tags/functions are the leased used. > Perhaps > the "forever depreciated but never actually removed" parameterExists() > ;-) > > Kola > > > -Original Message- > > From: Michael Traher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 27 April 2006 23:05 > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: macromedia certification > > > > I agree with Christophe. > > > > What the studying for the certificate does do is force you to look at > the > > whole CF product, every tag and function. I think there is value in > that > > process as it broadens your knowledge. > > > > In addition it makes you more precise since the questions are > annoyingly > > finicky, so you have to bother (at least while you study) to know the > little > > details. > > > > For these reasons I encourage our developers to take the test. > > > > Certainly I agree it does not signify how skilled a developer you > are, or > > whether you will be an asset to a team or not since these are more > complex > > issues, that can not be tested by a few multiple questions. :-) > > > > On 4/27/06, Russ Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > its called cfbuster i believe. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Christophe Maso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:12:43 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: macromedia certification > > > > > > > Speaking of the CF Cert test - has anyone heard of a preparation > > > > product called "testbuster"? I thought I saw something about > that > > > > linked off of the Macromedia site some time back, but can't seem > to > > > > retrace it. > > > > > > > > On cert tests in general, sure, in the end they don't prove much. > I'm > > > > having fun studying for the CF exam, though - getting exposure to > a > few > > > > advanced features I've never had to use on the job, as well as a > couple > > > > smalls tips and tricks I didn't know about before. > > > > > > -- > > Mike T > > Blog http://www.socialpoints.com/ > > > > > > ~ > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:239033 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia certification
Mike I was going to say the same thing, but looks like you beat me to it - but I agree - I think the value in doing certifications is in being exposed to every corner of the language so even if you've never used cfldap or cant remember what a distinguished name is you are aware that there something in the product which can be used. Out of curiosity I wonder what tags/functions are the leased used. Perhaps the "forever depreciated but never actually removed" parameterExists() ;-) Kola > -Original Message- > From: Michael Traher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 27 April 2006 23:05 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: macromedia certification > > I agree with Christophe. > > What the studying for the certificate does do is force you to look at the > whole CF product, every tag and function. I think there is value in that > process as it broadens your knowledge. > > In addition it makes you more precise since the questions are annoyingly > finicky, so you have to bother (at least while you study) to know the little > details. > > For these reasons I encourage our developers to take the test. > > Certainly I agree it does not signify how skilled a developer you are, or > whether you will be an asset to a team or not since these are more complex > issues, that can not be tested by a few multiple questions. :-) > > On 4/27/06, Russ Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > its called cfbuster i believe. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Christophe Maso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: CF-Talk > > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:12:43 -0400 > > Subject: Re: macromedia certification > > > > > Speaking of the CF Cert test - has anyone heard of a preparation > > > product called "testbuster"? I thought I saw something about that > > > linked off of the Macromedia site some time back, but can't seem to > > > retrace it. > > > > > > On cert tests in general, sure, in the end they don't prove much. I'm > > > having fun studying for the CF exam, though - getting exposure to a few > > > advanced features I've never had to use on the job, as well as a couple > > > smalls tips and tricks I didn't know about before. > > > -- > Mike T > Blog http://www.socialpoints.com/ > > > ~ > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:239032 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
I dont think its so much the company that cares about the cert. As a manager that hires developers, and with my knowledge of CF certs I dont add much (if any) weight to the fact they may/not have one. As a manager working with a team building a recruitment enterprise app I can say that the systems used to rank candidates automatically in to a shortlist DO bear weight to those kinds of things. This is configurable stuff for agencies and recruiters, but the fact is - if you have a cert over someone without then the ranking engine is probably gonna put you above the next guy. This could mean the difference between shortlist & interview, or the dole queue. Just my 2c on the inside world of recruitment agents. On 4/28/06, Mike Kear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with Michael Traher.I got certification and as part of the > study process I had to dig in to lots of areas of ColdFusion that my > development on real sites hadnt taken me until that point. > > For example until that point I'd had no reason to have anything to do > with LDAP, so i'd just skipped over that stuff in anything I'd read. > After studying for the exam, I still wasnt an expert in LDAP, but i > knew enough about it to understand how it relates to ColdFusion, > enough to be able to work my way through it if I came upon it in real > life. > > As a result of studying for the exam, I didnt learn much about > application architecture, OOP, validation, workflow or any of a number > of disciplines relating to applicatoin development, so it's not the > be-all and end-all, but after studying for the exam, I know a LOT more > about ColdFusion than I did before, and my advanced certification > verifies it. It's not a guarantee by itself that i can handle any > programming task thrown at me, but it does verify that I know about > most of the nooks and crannies of the ColdFusion product. > > In practice, I dont know if certification has got me any more work > (which was my original hope when i signed up for it ) but I know I'm > better at using ColdFusion as a result of studying for it. > > Cheers > Mike Kear > Windsor, NSW, Australia > Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > AFP Webworks > http://afpwebworks.com > ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month > > > > On 4/28/06, Michael Traher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree with Christophe. > > > > What the studying for the certificate does do is force you to look at the > > whole CF product, every tag and function. I think there is value in that > > process as it broadens your knowledge. > > > > In addition it makes you more precise since the questions are annoyingly > > finicky, so you have to bother (at least while you study) to know the little > > details. > > > > For these reasons I encourage our developers to take the test. > > > > Certainly I agree it does not signify how skilled a developer you are, or > > whether you will be an asset to a team or not since these are more complex > > issues, that can not be tested by a few multiple questions. :-) > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:239026 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
I agree with Michael Traher.I got certification and as part of the study process I had to dig in to lots of areas of ColdFusion that my development on real sites hadnt taken me until that point. For example until that point I'd had no reason to have anything to do with LDAP, so i'd just skipped over that stuff in anything I'd read. After studying for the exam, I still wasnt an expert in LDAP, but i knew enough about it to understand how it relates to ColdFusion, enough to be able to work my way through it if I came upon it in real life. As a result of studying for the exam, I didnt learn much about application architecture, OOP, validation, workflow or any of a number of disciplines relating to applicatoin development, so it's not the be-all and end-all, but after studying for the exam, I know a LOT more about ColdFusion than I did before, and my advanced certification verifies it. It's not a guarantee by itself that i can handle any programming task thrown at me, but it does verify that I know about most of the nooks and crannies of the ColdFusion product. In practice, I dont know if certification has got me any more work (which was my original hope when i signed up for it ) but I know I'm better at using ColdFusion as a result of studying for it. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 4/28/06, Michael Traher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with Christophe. > > What the studying for the certificate does do is force you to look at the > whole CF product, every tag and function. I think there is value in that > process as it broadens your knowledge. > > In addition it makes you more precise since the questions are annoyingly > finicky, so you have to bother (at least while you study) to know the little > details. > > For these reasons I encourage our developers to take the test. > > Certainly I agree it does not signify how skilled a developer you are, or > whether you will be an asset to a team or not since these are more complex > issues, that can not be tested by a few multiple questions. :-) > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:239025 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
I agree with Christophe. What the studying for the certificate does do is force you to look at the whole CF product, every tag and function. I think there is value in that process as it broadens your knowledge. In addition it makes you more precise since the questions are annoyingly finicky, so you have to bother (at least while you study) to know the little details. For these reasons I encourage our developers to take the test. Certainly I agree it does not signify how skilled a developer you are, or whether you will be an asset to a team or not since these are more complex issues, that can not be tested by a few multiple questions. :-) On 4/27/06, Russ Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > its called cfbuster i believe. > > -Original Message- > From: Christophe Maso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: CF-Talk > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:12:43 -0400 > Subject: Re: macromedia certification > > > Speaking of the CF Cert test - has anyone heard of a preparation > > product called "testbuster"? I thought I saw something about that > > linked off of the Macromedia site some time back, but can't seem to > > retrace it. > > > > On cert tests in general, sure, in the end they don't prove much. I'm > > having fun studying for the CF exam, though - getting exposure to a few > > advanced features I've never had to use on the job, as well as a couple > > smalls tips and tricks I didn't know about before. -- Mike T Blog http://www.socialpoints.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238998 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
its called cfbuster i believe. -Original Message- From: Christophe Maso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:12:43 -0400 Subject: Re: macromedia certification > Speaking of the CF Cert test - has anyone heard of a preparation > product called "testbuster"? I thought I saw something about that > linked off of the Macromedia site some time back, but can't seem to > retrace it. > > On cert tests in general, sure, in the end they don't prove much. I'm > having fun studying for the CF exam, though - getting exposure to a few > advanced features I've never had to use on the job, as well as a couple > smalls tips and tricks I didn't know about before. > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238969 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia certification
funnily enough, I am working for a client right now that has been getting candidates to take the Brainbench test, and they have been getting high scores putting them at master level, and are claiming to be experts. And then have failed dismally when doing the companies own *VERY SIMPLE* coding test. So it goes to show eh. Russ -Original Message- From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:21:41 -0400 Subject: RE: macromedia certification > > I wonder, do any employers actually give any consideration to > > people with one of these certifications? As they really arn't > > worth the paper they are printed on these days. > > This probably hasn't changed any since the last time it was covered on > the > list, you know. > > As Charlie pointed out, this is largely true of certifications in > general. I > doubt that many employers care about it too much, but if there were two > otherwise equally qualified applicants, I'd probably pick the one with > the > certification over the other. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238968 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
Rob, please show me where I said that anyone on this list thought they were better than anyone else. All I said was "the following made me laugh", it is not directed at anyone. You appear to have insrted your own paranoia and feelings of inadaquacy into the post and turned it into something personal. Russ -Original Message- From: "Rob Wilkerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:09:27 -0400 Subject: Re: macromedia certification > Seriously? You can work up that much venom from some marketing spew > that someone wrote in a book? Get a hobby or a misstress, but lighten > up. At the very least, don't share. > > If anyone on this list or any other had given some indication that > they considered themselves better than anyone else *simply* because > they had a certification - in anything, not just CF - then you have > something to rant about. As far as I know, though, no one here > mentioned any such thing. This was the first email in what will, > hopefully (but not expectedly), not become a long thread. > > On 4/27/06, Russ Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was just having a read of someones ColdFusion certification > "developer > > study guide", and the following made me laugh. > > > > It states that anyone can claim to be a ColdFusion expert and it is > hard > > to to recognise legitimate expertise, and that the certification > allows > > you to identify the real experts, blah blah blah. > > Certified ColdFusion Developer means that you can command the respect > and > > recognition that goes along with being one of the best at what you > do. > > blah blah blah, it will help you stick out from the crowd. > > > > LOL, what a crock, this is so contradictory. > > Using this study guide ANYONE can pass the exam, even the worst > developer > > in the world, in fact there is a guy in my office here who did not > know > > any Codlfusion at all, and passed the exam with an ADVANCED > certification > > simply by reading the study guide. > > > > I wonder, do any employers actually give any consideration to people > with > > one of these certifications? As they really arn't worth the paper > they are > > printed on these days. > > > > > > -- > > Russ > > > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238967 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia certification
> The one major exception to this was the CISCO certification. I can't > speak from personal experience, because I never took the exams, but > one of my colleagues went through the process to get the CCIE > certification and by all accounts it was impossible to pass without > really knowing *and* understanding just about everthing related to the > topic matter. > > The exam itself was a 4 hour "lab" where you had to troubleshoot a set > of CISCO hardware that had been carefully misconfigured by the > examiner. That's similar to the Red Hat RHCE cert. I didn't take it, but you have to go to one of their testing locations because part of the exam is a lab where someone is watching you work. It's not a memorize-it-then-forget-it kind of certification. I have the Linux+ certification, and there's another one out there that's similar. But the RHCE is considered the big mamma of Linux certs (at least it was last I looked). -- [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238957 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
attaboy ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238950 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia certification
A note on how big a deal the CISCO cert is. A friend of mine worked for CISCO and after studying for months for the cert he informed me that once he passed, his salary would nearly double. -Original Message- From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 1:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: macromedia certification Unfortunately it is true of certifications in general and I think that reflects more on the certification exams than anything else. I used to work full time as a trainer giving courses covering Novell, Microsoft, Macromedia, Allaire and Lotus Notes products. A lot of the courses were designed with a certification in mind and as a trainer I spent a good deal of time answering questions on what was likely to come up on the exam. The one major exception to this was the CISCO certification. I can't speak from personal experience, because I never took the exams, but one of my colleagues went through the process to get the CCIE certification and by all accounts it was impossible to pass without really knowing *and* understanding just about everthing related to the topic matter. The exam itself was a 4 hour "lab" where you had to troubleshoot a set of CISCO hardware that had been carefully misconfigured by the examiner. Now that's the sort of certification that I would trust if someone was to offer an equivalent for developers. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238945 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
Unfortunately it is true of certifications in general and I think that reflects more on the certification exams than anything else. I used to work full time as a trainer giving courses covering Novell, Microsoft, Macromedia, Allaire and Lotus Notes products. A lot of the courses were designed with a certification in mind and as a trainer I spent a good deal of time answering questions on what was likely to come up on the exam. The one major exception to this was the CISCO certification. I can't speak from personal experience, because I never took the exams, but one of my colleagues went through the process to get the CCIE certification and by all accounts it was impossible to pass without really knowing *and* understanding just about everthing related to the topic matter. The exam itself was a 4 hour "lab" where you had to troubleshoot a set of CISCO hardware that had been carefully misconfigured by the examiner. Now that's the sort of certification that I would trust if someone was to offer an equivalent for developers. my 2 cents Spike On 4/27/06, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wonder, do any employers actually give any consideration to > > people with one of these certifications? As they really arn't > > worth the paper they are printed on these days. > > This probably hasn't changed any since the last time it was covered on the > list, you know. > > As Charlie pointed out, this is largely true of certifications in general. I > doubt that many employers care about it too much, but if there were two > otherwise equally qualified applicants, I'd probably pick the one with the > certification over the other. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238944 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
> Thanks! Has anyone used the CF ExamBuster, and if so did you find it > to be worth the $40? > > -Christophe Definitely. Its very comprehensive, and helps to point out your weaknesses when you do take the test. Later it does become a good online reference. regards, larry -- Larry C. Lyons Web Analyst BEI Resources American Type Culture Collection http://www.beiresources.org email: llyons(at)atcc(dot)org tel: 703.365.2700.2678 -- ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238943 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
it is. if i can pass it, it is. dude, i had 1.6 in high school, 800 on my SAT's and am basically dumb. however, i GET it when it comes to programming and graphic design, so in that respect, im not dumb. either that or i was just too busy chasin tail in high school, and just didnt care. :) ill take all the punany i had in high school over a 4.0 gpa ANY day of the week. im making more now, than the geeks who got 4.0's and are bellied up to the bar at the local watering hole making 50k/year. w00t for me :) On 4/27/06, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > it got my non-test-taking-ass to pass (albeit by only 2 points, but i > > PASSED!) > > and thats saying something. > > Yes..it's saying perhaps the test is too easy ;-) > > This is Tony > > This is Tony walking right into that one ;-) > > Cheers > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > phone: 250.480.0642 > fax: 250.480.1264 > cell: 250.920.8830 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > web: www.electricedgesystems.com > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238941 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
> it got my non-test-taking-ass to pass (albeit by only 2 points, but i PASSED!) > and thats saying something. Yes..it's saying perhaps the test is too easy ;-) This is Tony This is Tony walking right into that one ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238939 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
WELL worth it. it got my non-test-taking-ass to pass (albeit by only 2 points, but i PASSED!) and thats saying something. tw On 4/27/06, Christophe Maso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks! Has anyone used the CF ExamBuster, and if so did you find it to be > worth the $40? > > -Christophe > > > CFExambuster > > > > http://www.centrasoft.com/ > > > > Christophe Maso wrote: > > > Speaking of the CF Cert test - has anyone heard of a preparation > > product called "testbuster"? I thought I saw something about that > > linked off of the Macromedia site some time back, but can't seem to > > retrace it. > > > > > > On cert tests in general, sure, in the end they don't prove much. > > I'm having fun studying for the CF exam, though - getting exposure to > > a few advanced features I've never had to use on the job, as well as a > > couple smalls tips and tricks I didn't know about before. > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238938 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia certification
I purchased it and I think it's worth the money. Especially since I got a "CFUG member" discount. As I mentioned, I haven't taken the test yet, but from talking to other members of my CFUG (Nashville, TN represent yo), they said that the exambuster was a huge benefit. -Original Message- From: Christophe Maso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: macromedia certification Thanks! Has anyone used the CF ExamBuster, and if so did you find it to be worth the $40? -Christophe ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238934 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
I used it. It helps. I'm pretty sure I would have passed without it. But considering the test cost $175.00 to take, I wanted to be sure I was going to ace it. The thing that is helpful about the exam buster is that it feels almost exactly like the real test. It's software works just like the testing software and the questions are similarly formatted. Actually, the questions on the exam buster are often harder. They really try to trick you, where as in the real test it's pretty straight forward. =] -- Alan Rother Macromedia Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238933 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
It's well worth the money. I'm in no way affiliated with Centrasoft...just a satisfied customer :) On 4/27/06, Christophe Maso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks! Has anyone used the CF ExamBuster, and if so did you find it to be > worth the $40? > > -Christophe > > > CFExambuster > > > > http://www.centrasoft.com/ > > > > Christophe Maso wrote: > > > Speaking of the CF Cert test - has anyone heard of a preparation > > product called "testbuster"? I thought I saw something about that > > linked off of the Macromedia site some time back, but can't seem to > > retrace it. > > > > > > On cert tests in general, sure, in the end they don't prove much. > > I'm having fun studying for the CF exam, though - getting exposure to > > a few advanced features I've never had to use on the job, as well as a > > couple smalls tips and tricks I didn't know about before. > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238931 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
Thanks! Has anyone used the CF ExamBuster, and if so did you find it to be worth the $40? -Christophe > CFExambuster > > http://www.centrasoft.com/ > > Christophe Maso wrote: > > Speaking of the CF Cert test - has anyone heard of a preparation > product called "testbuster"? I thought I saw something about that > linked off of the Macromedia site some time back, but can't seem to > retrace it. > > > > On cert tests in general, sure, in the end they don't prove much. > I'm having fun studying for the CF exam, though - getting exposure to > a few advanced features I've never had to use on the job, as well as a > couple smalls tips and tricks I didn't know about before. > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238930 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
CFExambuster http://www.centrasoft.com/ Christophe Maso wrote: > Speaking of the CF Cert test - has anyone heard of a preparation product > called "testbuster"? I thought I saw something about that linked off of the > Macromedia site some time back, but can't seem to retrace it. > > On cert tests in general, sure, in the end they don't prove much. I'm having > fun studying for the CF exam, though - getting exposure to a few advanced > features I've never had to use on the job, as well as a couple smalls tips > and tricks I didn't know about before. > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238929 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
Speaking of the CF Cert test - has anyone heard of a preparation product called "testbuster"? I thought I saw something about that linked off of the Macromedia site some time back, but can't seem to retrace it. On cert tests in general, sure, in the end they don't prove much. I'm having fun studying for the CF exam, though - getting exposure to a few advanced features I've never had to use on the job, as well as a couple smalls tips and tricks I didn't know about before. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238927 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia certification
I've never found the need to get certified. In my mind, innovative real world experience will conquer all. Nothing beats a strong portfolio backed by well written logic. !k -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 27, 2006 9:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: macromedia certification I was just having a read of someones ColdFusion certification "developer study guide", and the following made me laugh. It states that anyone can claim to be a ColdFusion expert and it is hard to to recognise legitimate expertise, and that the certification allows you to identify the real experts, blah blah blah. Certified ColdFusion Developer means that you can command the respect and recognition that goes along with being one of the best at what you do. blah blah blah, it will help you stick out from the crowd. LOL, what a crock, this is so contradictory. Using this study guide ANYONE can pass the exam, even the worst developer in the world, in fact there is a guy in my office here who did not know any Codlfusion at all, and passed the exam with an ADVANCED certification simply by reading the study guide. I wonder, do any employers actually give any consideration to people with one of these certifications? As they really arn't worth the paper they are printed on these days. -- Russ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238922 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
same here andy, i passed by literally 2 points. i wasnt shocked at all, but i just test bad. tw On 4/27/06, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm getting ready to take the cert and let me tell you...it's tougher than > you might think. I'm fairly advanced and I can usually only score in the > high 70s (of 100). ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238921 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
i think its all a buncha hullabaloo... i test HORRIBLY, only passed by 2 percentage points, but would test my skills against most anyone (guru's aside) tests show SOME things, but not much. tw On 4/27/06, Alan Rother <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking as a certified advanced coldfusion mx 7 developer > > > Yes, some employers do in fact care. I got certified to nail down a job with > a city and it worked. I beat out around 150 other candidates and I was the > ONLY certified one. > > > Do I personally think it means anything? Not really, it was a pretty easy > test to pass. > > But if I ever need to have some slight edge over someone for a job opening, > I do have it. > > -- > Alan Rother > Macromedia Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238920 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia certification
> I wonder, do any employers actually give any consideration to > people with one of these certifications? As they really arn't > worth the paper they are printed on these days. This probably hasn't changed any since the last time it was covered on the list, you know. As Charlie pointed out, this is largely true of certifications in general. I doubt that many employers care about it too much, but if there were two otherwise equally qualified applicants, I'd probably pick the one with the certification over the other. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238917 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
well yes indeed that is right, but I just find it funny that Macromedia Press actually produces book that effectively allows you to cheat and pass their own exam. But then Microsoft are guilty of the same thing. I have done all the certifications myself, but purely for egotistical reasons :-) Russ -Original Message- From: "Charlie Griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:06:40 -0400 Subject: Re: macromedia certification > the same can be said of any certification, not just the CF > certification. anybody can cram their brain the night before an exam > and pass the exam the next day. well, mostly anybody. > > I think most developers recognize that there are far more important > things to consider when evaluating somebody than a cert. > > I think many employers do not recognize this. If a job interview > comes down to two potential candidates, each equal in every aspect > with the exception of the fact that one has a cert and one does > not...odds are the person with the cert gets the job. > > Short answer is...it can never hurt you to have it. > > On 4/27/06, Russ Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was just having a read of someones ColdFusion certification > "developer > > study guide", and the following made me laugh. > > > > It states that anyone can claim to be a ColdFusion expert and it is > hard > > to to recognise legitimate expertise, and that the certification > allows > > you to identify the real experts, blah blah blah. > > Certified ColdFusion Developer means that you can command the respect > and > > recognition that goes along with being one of the best at what you > do. > > blah blah blah, it will help you stick out from the crowd. > > > > LOL, what a crock, this is so contradictory. > > Using this study guide ANYONE can pass the exam, even the worst > developer > > in the world, in fact there is a guy in my office here who did not > know > > any Codlfusion at all, and passed the exam with an ADVANCED > certification > > simply by reading the study guide. > > > > I wonder, do any employers actually give any consideration to people > with > > one of these certifications? As they really arn't worth the paper > they are > > printed on these days. > > > > > > -- > > Russ > > > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238916 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia certification
> the same can be said of any certification, not just the CF > certification. anybody can cram their brain the night before > an exam and pass the exam the next day. well, mostly anybody. Well, not exactly. There are some certification programs that are much more rigorous. In general, though, you're right. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238915 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: macromedia certification
I doubt that any employer would hire someone based solely on the merits of this cert. BUT, given the choice of two people with equal skills, the cert might help tip the scales in your favor. I'm getting ready to take the cert and let me tell you...it's tougher than you might think. I'm fairly advanced and I can usually only score in the high 70s (of 100). -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: macromedia certification I was just having a read of someones ColdFusion certification "developer study guide", and the following made me laugh. It states that anyone can claim to be a ColdFusion expert and it is hard to to recognise legitimate expertise, and that the certification allows you to identify the real experts, blah blah blah. Certified ColdFusion Developer means that you can command the respect and recognition that goes along with being one of the best at what you do. blah blah blah, it will help you stick out from the crowd. LOL, what a crock, this is so contradictory. Using this study guide ANYONE can pass the exam, even the worst developer in the world, in fact there is a guy in my office here who did not know any Codlfusion at all, and passed the exam with an ADVANCED certification simply by reading the study guide. I wonder, do any employers actually give any consideration to people with one of these certifications? As they really arn't worth the paper they are printed on these days. -- Russ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238914 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
Speaking as a certified advanced coldfusion mx 7 developer Yes, some employers do in fact care. I got certified to nail down a job with a city and it worked. I beat out around 150 other candidates and I was the ONLY certified one. Do I personally think it means anything? Not really, it was a pretty easy test to pass. But if I ever need to have some slight edge over someone for a job opening, I do have it. -- Alan Rother Macromedia Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238913 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
Seriously? You can work up that much venom from some marketing spew that someone wrote in a book? Get a hobby or a misstress, but lighten up. At the very least, don't share. If anyone on this list or any other had given some indication that they considered themselves better than anyone else *simply* because they had a certification - in anything, not just CF - then you have something to rant about. As far as I know, though, no one here mentioned any such thing. This was the first email in what will, hopefully (but not expectedly), not become a long thread. On 4/27/06, Russ Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was just having a read of someones ColdFusion certification "developer > study guide", and the following made me laugh. > > It states that anyone can claim to be a ColdFusion expert and it is hard > to to recognise legitimate expertise, and that the certification allows > you to identify the real experts, blah blah blah. > Certified ColdFusion Developer means that you can command the respect and > recognition that goes along with being one of the best at what you do. > blah blah blah, it will help you stick out from the crowd. > > LOL, what a crock, this is so contradictory. > Using this study guide ANYONE can pass the exam, even the worst developer > in the world, in fact there is a guy in my office here who did not know > any Codlfusion at all, and passed the exam with an ADVANCED certification > simply by reading the study guide. > > I wonder, do any employers actually give any consideration to people with > one of these certifications? As they really arn't worth the paper they are > printed on these days. > > > -- > Russ > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238912 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: macromedia certification
the same can be said of any certification, not just the CF certification. anybody can cram their brain the night before an exam and pass the exam the next day. well, mostly anybody. I think most developers recognize that there are far more important things to consider when evaluating somebody than a cert. I think many employers do not recognize this. If a job interview comes down to two potential candidates, each equal in every aspect with the exception of the fact that one has a cert and one does not...odds are the person with the cert gets the job. Short answer is...it can never hurt you to have it. On 4/27/06, Russ Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was just having a read of someones ColdFusion certification "developer > study guide", and the following made me laugh. > > It states that anyone can claim to be a ColdFusion expert and it is hard > to to recognise legitimate expertise, and that the certification allows > you to identify the real experts, blah blah blah. > Certified ColdFusion Developer means that you can command the respect and > recognition that goes along with being one of the best at what you do. > blah blah blah, it will help you stick out from the crowd. > > LOL, what a crock, this is so contradictory. > Using this study guide ANYONE can pass the exam, even the worst developer > in the world, in fact there is a guy in my office here who did not know > any Codlfusion at all, and passed the exam with an ADVANCED certification > simply by reading the study guide. > > I wonder, do any employers actually give any consideration to people with > one of these certifications? As they really arn't worth the paper they are > printed on these days. > > > -- > Russ > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:238909 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
