Re: where to start Ajax or Flex?
On Tuesday 28 March 2006 19:10, Munson, Jacob wrote: I believe you are referring to Flex Builder 2, which is still beta. Just wanted to throw that in for the people that haven't been following Flex developments. :nods Flex2 is really very funky, allowing true CFML remoting (running CFC methods on the server from client-side Flash). -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236386 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: where to start Ajax or Flex?
On Wednesday 29 March 2006 00:02, Mike Chambers wrote: As far as cost, the Flex Framework and SDK (compilers, Framework, etc...) are and will be free (for commercial and non-commercial use): We have also released ColdFusion connectors to make it simple for Flex apps to communicate with ColdFusion (without requiring Flex Data Services): Will the connectors also be free ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236387 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: where to start Ajax or Flex?
True and not true. Backbase is not a server side application per se - it is still simply JS/AJAX.It does however come in a variety of flavours (add-ons) of which J2EE and .NET are some of them. All they have done is provide a back end system to interface Backbase with. You can easily use Backbase as it replacing the J2EE or .NET system with ColdFusion it is just the two server libraries they provide are our of the box. You do not need a server technology to use Backbase. It is an absolute dream to use - very powerful and a wonderful piece of coding. If you did not want to go down the Flex route for whatever reason this is your port of call for sure - unless of course Atlas floats your boat ;-) -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2006 07:18 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: where to start Ajax or Flex? Backbase: http://www.backbase.com/ It's a server-side engine thing that requires J2EE or .NET, rather than directly supporting CF in the way that CFAJAX and ajaxCFC (etc) do. All in all it looks like a pain, but I haven't tried it so I can't have an opinion. BTW, I mentioned YODEL in the FA article :-) On 3/28/06, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: j s [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: where to start Ajax or Flex? I haven't see or notice much talk about CF and Ajax. Can someone point me in the right direction on how to get started and their experience with either of the two. Also how limited is Backbase for CF or CFAjax? I'm sorry: I've no idea what you mean by backbase. ;^) There are no less than three major ColdFusion+AJAX projects. And with that I'm sure I'm missing some. http://www.robgonda.com/blog/projects/ajaxcfc/ http://www.indiankey.com/cfajax/ http://www.lalabird.com/ There are countless mini projects focusing on constrained aspects, interface widgets, etc. For just plain data passing from CF to JavaScript I like (go figure!) my own implementation here: http://www.depressedpress.com/Content/Development/YODEL/Index.cfm Using the handler registration capability you can create very complexdata profiles very easily. I've used it successfully with highly complex AJAX applications with no problem. -- ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236306 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: where to start Ajax or Flex?
James and everyone, Thanks for the head start. I've been very happy with CFAJAX - it offes a good feature set and it can be deployed without mappings or any other admin changes. AjaxCFC is similar in some ways, and there are other options like JSMX and Neuromancer. In general I've found AJAX techniques to be relatively easy to use (via CFAJAX), providing a user interface with which the user is familiar (html). My Fusion Authority article on CF and AJAX may also assist: http://www.fusionauthority. com/Techniques/4593-Using-AJAX-with-ColdFusion-Part-I On 3/28/06, j s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know a lick of Java and have played with Flash Remoting and AS 2. I can see the future in either Ajax of Flex. I'm sorta leaning towards Ajax cause from my understanding its cheaper, now, and I think it can be deployed on any hosting services. Also correct me if I'm wrong but Flex since it uses Flash Player the stage can't be set dynamicaly. If I build a dynamic form or page or menu system that varies in size I would have to plan out the stage size ahead of time. Thats not dynamic. I hope I'm wrong on this. I haven't see or notice much talk about CF and Ajax. Can someone point me in the right direction on how to get started and their experience with either of the two. Also how limited is Backbase for CF or CFAjax? -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal. com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236311 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: where to start Ajax or Flex?
Also correct me if I'm wrong but Flex since it uses Flash Player the stage can't be set dynamically. If I build a dynamic form or page or menu system that varies in size I would have to plan out the stage size ahead of time. That's not dynamic. I hope I'm wrong on this. Well, you could try my approach and play with both. I'm still only a little beyond the hello world stage so I am not an expert on either. But I will chime in that you can dynamically change the size of stage (It's not called that in the flex world, but the concept is the same). You can create states and each state can be a different size with various transition effects involved. Also, if you do not need the flex enterprise service [FES] as it is currently called, you can deploy a flex app to any service. Once you are done and the app is compiled, it is a .swf file that can be put anywhere a .swf can currently go. Without the FES piece, you are not able to PUSH data from the server to the client, but you can PULL all you want. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236332 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: where to start Ajax or Flex?
With the Flash stage, you can have it dynamically layout and resize your stage using a Listener. The Flash stage is as flexible with size as a regular page... it just takes a bit of extra effort to achieve the exact same capabilities. Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 28, 2006 10:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: where to start Ajax or Flex? Also correct me if I'm wrong but Flex since it uses Flash Player the stage can't be set dynamically. If I build a dynamic form or page or menu system that varies in size I would have to plan out the stage size ahead of time. That's not dynamic. I hope I'm wrong on this. Well, you could try my approach and play with both. I'm still only a little beyond the hello world stage so I am not an expert on either. But I will chime in that you can dynamically change the size of stage (It's not called that in the flex world, but the concept is the same). You can create states and each state can be a different size with various transition effects involved. Also, if you do not need the flex enterprise service [FES] as it is currently called, you can deploy a flex app to any service. Once you are done and the app is compiled, it is a .swf file that can be put anywhere a ..swf can currently go. Without the FES piece, you are not able to PUSH data from the server to the client, but you can PULL all you want. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236333 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: where to start Ajax or Flex?
CFAjax is amazingly powerful. If you know javascript pretty well you can be writing really cool implementations within a couple of hours. http://www.indiankey.com/cfajax/ I'm working on a single-page cfajax shopping cart implementation, similar to the Flex shopping cart example at adobe labs, that I will be posting soon. Best of all, it's free...and you're not stuck with Flex's look and feel. Can't speak to AjaxCFC as I haven't investigated that one personally. -- Josh - Original Message - From: Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: RE: where to start Ajax or Flex? Also correct me if I'm wrong but Flex since it uses Flash Player the stage can't be set dynamically. If I build a dynamic form or page or menu system that varies in size I would have to plan out the stage size ahead of time. That's not dynamic. I hope I'm wrong on this. Well, you could try my approach and play with both. I'm still only a little beyond the hello world stage so I am not an expert on either. But I will chime in that you can dynamically change the size of stage (It's not called that in the flex world, but the concept is the same). You can create states and each state can be a different size with various transition effects involved. Also, if you do not need the flex enterprise service [FES] as it is currently called, you can deploy a flex app to any service. Once you are done and the app is compiled, it is a .swf file that can be put anywhere a .swf can currently go. Without the FES piece, you are not able to PUSH data from the server to the client, but you can PULL all you want. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236336 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: where to start Ajax or Flex?
Also, if you do not need the flex enterprise service [FES] as it is currently called, you can deploy a flex app to any service. Once you are done and the app is compiled, it is a .swf file that can be put anywhere a .swf can currently go. Without the FES piece, you are not able to PUSH data from the server to the client, but you can PULL all you want. I believe you are referring to Flex Builder 2, which is still beta. Just wanted to throw that in for the people that haven't been following Flex developments. [INFO] -- Access Manager: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A2 ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236341 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: where to start Ajax or Flex?
My god Mike, how many lists are you on? I swear, between you and Dave Watts, you guys are everywhere... Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: where to start Ajax or Flex? As far as cost, the Flex Framework and SDK (compilers, Framework, etc...) are and will be free (for commercial and non-commercial use): http://www.macromedia.com/go/labs_flex2_downloads We have also released ColdFusion connectors to make it simple for Flex apps to communicate with ColdFusion (without requiring Flex Data Services): http://labs.macromedia.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion/Flex_Connectivity Finally, you can dynamically create and layout content in Flex and Flash apps. It looks something like this: var b:Button = new Button(); b.label=I am a button; addChild(b); Hope that helps... mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] j s wrote: I don't know a lick of Java and have played with Flash Remoting and AS 2. I can see the future in either Ajax of Flex. I'm sorta leaning towards Ajax cause from my understanding its cheaper, now, and I think it can be deployed on any hosting services. Also correct me if I'm wrong but Flex since it uses Flash Player the stage can't be set dynamicaly. If I build a dynamic form or page or menu system that varies in size I would have to plan out the stage size ahead of time. Thats not dynamic. I hope I'm wrong on this. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236379 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: where to start Ajax or Flex?
I've been very happy with CFAJAX - it offes a good feature set and it can be deployed without mappings or any other admin changes. AjaxCFC is similar in some ways, and there are other options like JSMX and Neuromancer. In general I've found AJAX techniques to be relatively easy to use (via CFAJAX), providing a user interface with which the user is familiar (html). My Fusion Authority article on CF and AJAX may also assist: http://www.fusionauthority.com/Techniques/4593-Using-AJAX-with-ColdFusion-Part-I On 3/28/06, j s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know a lick of Java and have played with Flash Remoting and AS 2. I can see the future in either Ajax of Flex. I'm sorta leaning towards Ajax cause from my understanding its cheaper, now, and I think it can be deployed on any hosting services. Also correct me if I'm wrong but Flex since it uses Flash Player the stage can't be set dynamicaly. If I build a dynamic form or page or menu system that varies in size I would have to plan out the stage size ahead of time. Thats not dynamic. I hope I'm wrong on this. I haven't see or notice much talk about CF and Ajax. Can someone point me in the right direction on how to get started and their experience with either of the two. Also how limited is Backbase for CF or CFAjax? -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236296 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: where to start Ajax or Flex?
-Original Message- From: j s [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: where to start Ajax or Flex? I haven't see or notice much talk about CF and Ajax. Can someone point me in the right direction on how to get started and their experience with either of the two. Also how limited is Backbase for CF or CFAjax? I'm sorry: I've no idea what you mean by backbase. ;^) There are no less than three major ColdFusion+AJAX projects. And with that I'm sure I'm missing some. http://www.robgonda.com/blog/projects/ajaxcfc/ http://www.indiankey.com/cfajax/ http://www.lalabird.com/ There are countless mini projects focusing on constrained aspects, interface widgets, etc. For just plain data passing from CF to JavaScript I like (go figure!) my own implementation here: http://www.depressedpress.com/Content/Development/YODEL/Index.cfm Using the handler registration capability you can create very complexdata profiles very easily. I've used it successfully with highly complex AJAX applications with no problem. Jim Davis ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236299 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: where to start Ajax or Flex?
Backbase: http://www.backbase.com/ It's a server-side engine thing that requires J2EE or .NET, rather than directly supporting CF in the way that CFAJAX and ajaxCFC (etc) do. All in all it looks like a pain, but I haven't tried it so I can't have an opinion. BTW, I mentioned YODEL in the FA article :-) On 3/28/06, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: j s [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: where to start Ajax or Flex? I haven't see or notice much talk about CF and Ajax. Can someone point me in the right direction on how to get started and their experience with either of the two. Also how limited is Backbase for CF or CFAjax? I'm sorry: I've no idea what you mean by backbase. ;^) There are no less than three major ColdFusion+AJAX projects. And with that I'm sure I'm missing some. http://www.robgonda.com/blog/projects/ajaxcfc/ http://www.indiankey.com/cfajax/ http://www.lalabird.com/ There are countless mini projects focusing on constrained aspects, interface widgets, etc. For just plain data passing from CF to JavaScript I like (go figure!) my own implementation here: http://www.depressedpress.com/Content/Development/YODEL/Index.cfm Using the handler registration capability you can create very complexdata profiles very easily. I've used it successfully with highly complex AJAX applications with no problem. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:236301 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
