Re: Search-function on website
If you used Verity in CF 5, did you use the K2 engine or the VDK engine? The K2 engine is much better in many respects, and if I recall correctly, CFMX 6.x uses K2 instead of VDK. I don't realy recall any specific choice that I made. K2 sounds the most familiar, but that may be because it's used in later versions of CF. If you want to search PDFs using SQL Server's full-text functionality, you can do that with a little work: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=2611 Interesting link, I'll look into that. However, I don't know how well that works with large numbers of PDF documents, since I haven't done it myself. If not for the PDF part, I'd unhesitatingly recommend SQL Server full-text indexing over Verity. Well the thing that bugs me the most of the SQL Server full-text search is the fact that it doesn't search on parts of words. I can't really think of a good example in English, but Dutch works just as well (only you don't understand the words): Take these three words that appear in texts of different pages: zetel, zetels, restzetel(s). Now if you search for 'zetel' you are presented with the pages with 'zetel' and 'zetels' if you use a prefix (*) notation in your CONTAINS. However restzetel or restzetels does not come up at all. LIKE '%zetel%' would of course yield all of these results, which is a desired result, but of course I would like a ranking kinda like this: zetel zetels restzetel restzetels. Well.. that being said, I guess I'll have to look into verity again. See if the results are somewhat better this time. Thanks for your response. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252174 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Search-function on website
You may have to code/develop something using the Verity SDK but I am not sure what is available with the OEM version which ships with ColdFusion. This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Auke van Leeuwen To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Sep 06 07:30:39 2006 Subject: Re: Search-function on website If you used Verity in CF 5, did you use the K2 engine or the VDK engine? The K2 engine is much better in many respects, and if I recall correctly, CFMX 6.x uses K2 instead of VDK. I don't realy recall any specific choice that I made. K2 sounds the most familiar, but that may be because it's used in later versions of CF. If you want to search PDFs using SQL Server's full-text functionality, you can do that with a little work: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=2611 Interesting link, I'll look into that. However, I don't know how well that works with large numbers of PDF documents, since I haven't done it myself. If not for the PDF part, I'd unhesitatingly recommend SQL Server full-text indexing over Verity. Well the thing that bugs me the most of the SQL Server full-text search is the fact that it doesn't search on parts of words. I can't really think of a good example in English, but Dutch works just as well (only you don't understand the words): Take these three words that appear in texts of different pages: zetel, zetels, restzetel(s). Now if you search for 'zetel' you are presented with the pages with 'zetel' and 'zetels' if you use a prefix (*) notation in your CONTAINS. However restzetel or restzetels does not come up at all. LIKE '%zetel%' would of course yield all of these results, which is a desired result, but of course I would like a ranking kinda like this: zetel zetels restzetel restzetels. Well.. that being said, I guess I'll have to look into verity again. See if the results are somewhat better this time. Thanks for your response. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252177 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Search-function on website
I was wondering if any of you have any thoughts on the implementation of a 'search-function' on a website. It would only be a fairly simple input field and some ranked search results. The website content comes directly from the database btw. So far I've used and come up with some scenario's: * Simple 'LIKE' clause and a query. Works fairly well, however ranking is not really an option and PDFs etc are not searched at all of course. * Full-Text search (MS-SQL 2000). Has some cool features, ranking is great, however only searches on complete words, complete phrases or words starting with a certain prefix. Some of the more advanced options such as FORMSOF, NEAR etc, are not used at all since it's only a simple HTML-input field. * Verity: In short: I hate it. I've worked with it in CF5 and found it to be error-prone, not really maintenance-friendly and giving crappy results. I haven't used it on CF6, so it may have improved (please tell me if it has :-) ). I don't have CF7 (CF6) so the added categorization-functions are not available btw. Now that I think about it, maybe I should give Verity another shot (especially since it searches the PDFs etc as well).. But maybe someone else has a better idea? ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252045 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Search-function on website
I was wondering if any of you have any thoughts on the implementation of a 'search-function' on a website. It would only be a fairly simple input field and some ranked search results. The website content comes directly from the database btw. So far I've used and come up with some scenario's: * Simple 'LIKE' clause and a query. Works fairly well, however ranking is not really an option and PDFs etc are not searched at all of course. * Full-Text search (MS-SQL 2000). Has some cool features, ranking is great, however only searches on complete words, complete phrases or words starting with a certain prefix. Some of the more advanced options such as FORMSOF, NEAR etc, are not used at all since it's only a simple HTML-input field. * Verity: In short: I hate it. I've worked with it in CF5 and found it to be error-prone, not really maintenance-friendly and giving crappy results. I haven't used it on CF6, so it may have improved (please tell me if it has :-) ). I don't have CF7 (CF6) so the added categorization-functions are not available btw. Now that I think about it, maybe I should give Verity another shot (especially since it searches the PDFs etc as well).. But maybe someone else has a better idea? If you used Verity in CF 5, did you use the K2 engine or the VDK engine? The K2 engine is much better in many respects, and if I recall correctly, CFMX 6.x uses K2 instead of VDK. If you want to search PDFs using SQL Server's full-text functionality, you can do that with a little work: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=2611 However, I don't know how well that works with large numbers of PDF documents, since I haven't done it myself. If not for the PDF part, I'd unhesitatingly recommend SQL Server full-text indexing over Verity. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252048 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
