RE: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
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You're assuming that the computer they run the usb drive off of is able to
get to the internet.



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RE: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread Munson, Jacob
> I admire someone as open-minded as you. The desire to learn new things
> and try new ways of doing things is an attribute that 
> deserves respect.

I second that.  So many people just use what came on their PC/Server,
even if they are geeks.  There is no adventure in saying, "Everybody
uses [preinstalled software], and I want to be compatible, plus I don't
have the time to learn [alternative software]".  I can remember the
first time I tried Windows, it was SOO cool.  I think everybody probably
had the same experience.  But now most people are too
busy/complacent/lazy or whatever to go out and try new things.


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Re: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread Robert Munn
I like Fedora myself because of wide support availability.

It isn't free, it's $35 / year, but the MyEclipse plugin has a huge set of 
tools that would round out your feature set, including UML, XML, CSS, JS, 
database, J2EE editing features. It has a free 30-day trial. 

Optionally, just look for other Eclipse plugins. There are free plugins for 
most of this stuff. 

I don't know if you will get the whole thing on a USB drive. Eclipse/CFE alone 
is pretty big if you include the full Eclipse installer. CFMX on Linux is a big 
install as well. That's a few hundred MB worth of stuff right there. MyEclipse 
is big as well. I guess it depends on whether you plan on pre-installing all 
the apps and making an image of your distro, then you might get away with a USB 
drive.

Don't forget a database server- MySQL is the way to go.

What about source control? You could setup SubVersion and the subClipse plugin, 
that's all free stuff.


>Eclipse with the cfeclipse plug-in (any body know of any other good
>plug-ins for web developers that I might want to include?)
>FireFox for web browsing
>Thunderbird for e-mail
>
>I'm not sure if flowcharting would be useful to the average cf developer
>(I use Visio) but if so does anyone know of Linux flow charters?
>
>In the end, I'm hoping that all of the software will be totally free.
>(remember I said cf developer edition not server)
>

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Re: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread Jordan Michaels
No, they haven't worked the bugs out of the built-in FTP client yet.
Hence my use of KBear for FTP. I'll happily use the built-in FTP client
once it works well enough to be dependable.  ;)

-JM

Russ wrote:

>I like Redhat Fedora myself.  As far as CFEclipse, it has an ftp client
>built in, although I don't think they've worked all the bugs out yet... And
>it doesn't support secure FTP afaik, but it's better then nothing. 
>
>
>
>  
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:29 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Re: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers
>>
>>Hi Steve,
>>
>>I admire someone as open-minded as you. The desire to learn new things
>>and try new ways of doing things is an attribute that deserves respect.
>>
>>I'm a linux man myself. I'm currently writing you from a SuSE Linux
>>system and I'd recommend SuSE Linux for both your server and PC
>>environment - as that's what I do myself. There are other great distro's
>>out there, but SuSE is widely supported in both servers and desktops and
>>I find that makes my life easier most times. SuSE 10 can also be
>>downloaded for free at www.opensuse.org. What's more, Macromedia/Adobe
>>officially supports it as a server environment. I don't know if the
>>developer edition works on Linux, but I know the Server works great on
>>it. The viviotech.net web site is a SuSE server.
>>
>>For an IDE, I'd highly recommend the Eclipse/CFEclipse combo. It takes a
>>little getting used to, but so did dreamweaver when you first started
>>using it. ;) For FTP, I use the KBear client that comes with OpenSuSE.
>>It reminds me of what I used to do with CFStudio and WS_FTP LE back in
>>the day. Again, it'll take a little getting used to when you first get
>>into it, but once you're familiar with it it's pretty slick.
>>
>>Hope this helps!
>>
>>Warm regards,
>>Jordan Michaels
>>Vivio Technologies
>>
>>
>>
>>DURETTE, STEVEN J (AIT) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>After many years, I decided to go back to school and finish my degree...
>>>One of my current classes is Linux + Certification and I am going to
>>>have a project.
>>>
>>>I was thinking that my project would be to create a Linux distro that
>>>had just the tools needed by ColdFusion developers to do their work.
>>>
>>>That being said, I have some questions for everyone on the list.  Is
>>>there anyone out there that is using Linux as a CF Development
>>>environment?  What software are you using to do it?  What extra software
>>>do you use that might not be used directly for you coding but is needed
>>>to do your job?  Is there a CF Developer Edition for Linux?  (Of course
>>>I'm thinking with Linux that the editor would probably be Eclipse with
>>>the cfeclipse plug-in)
>>>
>>>I'm from an entirely Windows background, so this is going to be
>>>interesting.
>>>
>>>I'd also like to hear what Windows programs that developers just can't
>>>seem to be without.  Maybe I can find Linux versions.
>>>
>>>Comments?  Questions?  I'd love to hear them.
>>>
>>>I'm also considering doing a Linux distro for Database Administrators so
>>>if you know of Linux software to manage MSSQL, Oracle, mySQL, etc I'd
>>>love to hear about those also!
>>>
>>>Steve Durette
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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RE: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread Russ
I like Redhat Fedora myself.  As far as CFEclipse, it has an ftp client
built in, although I don't think they've worked all the bugs out yet... And
it doesn't support secure FTP afaik, but it's better then nothing. 



> -Original Message-
> From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:29 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> I admire someone as open-minded as you. The desire to learn new things
> and try new ways of doing things is an attribute that deserves respect.
> 
> I'm a linux man myself. I'm currently writing you from a SuSE Linux
> system and I'd recommend SuSE Linux for both your server and PC
> environment - as that's what I do myself. There are other great distro's
> out there, but SuSE is widely supported in both servers and desktops and
> I find that makes my life easier most times. SuSE 10 can also be
> downloaded for free at www.opensuse.org. What's more, Macromedia/Adobe
> officially supports it as a server environment. I don't know if the
> developer edition works on Linux, but I know the Server works great on
> it. The viviotech.net web site is a SuSE server.
> 
> For an IDE, I'd highly recommend the Eclipse/CFEclipse combo. It takes a
> little getting used to, but so did dreamweaver when you first started
> using it. ;) For FTP, I use the KBear client that comes with OpenSuSE.
> It reminds me of what I used to do with CFStudio and WS_FTP LE back in
> the day. Again, it'll take a little getting used to when you first get
> into it, but once you're familiar with it it's pretty slick.
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
> Warm regards,
> Jordan Michaels
> Vivio Technologies
> 
> 
> 
> DURETTE, STEVEN J (AIT) wrote:
> 
> >Hi all,
> >
> >After many years, I decided to go back to school and finish my degree...
> >One of my current classes is Linux + Certification and I am going to
> >have a project.
> >
> >I was thinking that my project would be to create a Linux distro that
> >had just the tools needed by ColdFusion developers to do their work.
> >
> >That being said, I have some questions for everyone on the list.  Is
> >there anyone out there that is using Linux as a CF Development
> >environment?  What software are you using to do it?  What extra software
> >do you use that might not be used directly for you coding but is needed
> >to do your job?  Is there a CF Developer Edition for Linux?  (Of course
> >I'm thinking with Linux that the editor would probably be Eclipse with
> >the cfeclipse plug-in)
> >
> >I'm from an entirely Windows background, so this is going to be
> >interesting.
> >
> >I'd also like to hear what Windows programs that developers just can't
> >seem to be without.  Maybe I can find Linux versions.
> >
> >Comments?  Questions?  I'd love to hear them.
> >
> >I'm also considering doing a Linux distro for Database Administrators so
> >if you know of Linux software to manage MSSQL, Oracle, mySQL, etc I'd
> >love to hear about those also!
> >
> >Steve Durette
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Re: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread Jordan Michaels
Hi Steve,

I admire someone as open-minded as you. The desire to learn new things
and try new ways of doing things is an attribute that deserves respect.

I'm a linux man myself. I'm currently writing you from a SuSE Linux
system and I'd recommend SuSE Linux for both your server and PC
environment - as that's what I do myself. There are other great distro's
out there, but SuSE is widely supported in both servers and desktops and
I find that makes my life easier most times. SuSE 10 can also be
downloaded for free at www.opensuse.org. What's more, Macromedia/Adobe
officially supports it as a server environment. I don't know if the
developer edition works on Linux, but I know the Server works great on
it. The viviotech.net web site is a SuSE server.

For an IDE, I'd highly recommend the Eclipse/CFEclipse combo. It takes a
little getting used to, but so did dreamweaver when you first started
using it. ;) For FTP, I use the KBear client that comes with OpenSuSE.
It reminds me of what I used to do with CFStudio and WS_FTP LE back in
the day. Again, it'll take a little getting used to when you first get
into it, but once you're familiar with it it's pretty slick.

Hope this helps!

Warm regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies



DURETTE, STEVEN J (AIT) wrote:

>Hi all,
> 
>After many years, I decided to go back to school and finish my degree...
>One of my current classes is Linux + Certification and I am going to
>have a project.
> 
>I was thinking that my project would be to create a Linux distro that
>had just the tools needed by ColdFusion developers to do their work.  
> 
>That being said, I have some questions for everyone on the list.  Is
>there anyone out there that is using Linux as a CF Development
>environment?  What software are you using to do it?  What extra software
>do you use that might not be used directly for you coding but is needed
>to do your job?  Is there a CF Developer Edition for Linux?  (Of course
>I'm thinking with Linux that the editor would probably be Eclipse with
>the cfeclipse plug-in)
> 
>I'm from an entirely Windows background, so this is going to be
>interesting.
> 
>I'd also like to hear what Windows programs that developers just can't
>seem to be without.  Maybe I can find Linux versions.
> 
>Comments?  Questions?  I'd love to hear them.
> 
>I'm also considering doing a Linux distro for Database Administrators so
>if you know of Linux software to manage MSSQL, Oracle, mySQL, etc I'd
>love to hear about those also!
>
>Steve Durette
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread Munson, Jacob
As far as a specific distro, you might use Red Hat or Fedora (Red Hat's
bleeding edge).  Why?  Because Steven Erat, one of Macromedia's support
guys, has a LOT of excellent information for using CF with Red Hat.
Search his blog for Linux and you will find a lot of good information.
Because you will most likely run into problems getting CF to work, but
Steven has fixes posted for most everything you'll run into.  Personally
I'd prefer not to use Fedora/Red Hat, but since there is such a wealth
of information for Red Hat/CF, I'd probably go that route.

Also, search the archives of the Online CF Meetup group, because there
were one or two presentations by Steven that cover using CF in Linux.

Sorry I didn't grab any links for you, but that's what Google's for,
right?  ;)

> -Original Message-
> From: DURETTE, STEVEN J
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> After many years, I decided to go back to school and finish 
> my degree...
> One of my current classes is Linux + Certification and I am going to
> have a project.
>  
> I was thinking that my project would be to create a Linux distro that
> had just the tools needed by ColdFusion developers to do their work.  
>  
> That being said, I have some questions for everyone on the list.  Is
> there anyone out there that is using Linux as a CF Development
> environment?  What software are you using to do it?  What 
> extra software
> do you use that might not be used directly for you coding but 
> is needed
> to do your job?  Is there a CF Developer Edition for Linux?  
> (Of course
> I'm thinking with Linux that the editor would probably be Eclipse with
> the cfeclipse plug-in)
>  
> I'm from an entirely Windows background, so this is going to be
> interesting.
>  
> I'd also like to hear what Windows programs that developers just can't
> seem to be without.  Maybe I can find Linux versions.
>  
> Comments?  Questions?  I'd love to hear them.
>  
> I'm also considering doing a Linux distro for Database 
> Administrators so
> if you know of Linux software to manage MSSQL, Oracle, mySQL, etc I'd
> love to hear about those also!

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RE: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread Munson, Jacob
I have never had much luck trying to get Windows software to run on
Linux.  Some things go Ok, but some don't.  If one wants to move to
Linux (or just try it), one is better off forgetting about their
favorite software from the Windows world, unless they have a Linux
version.  

That said, there /are/ a ton of good Linux replacements for popular
Windows software.  Graphics?  The Gimp.  Multimedia player?  MPlayer.
Games?  Sorry, out of luck.  ;)  Actually there are a lot of really good
games for Linux, but you have to be open minded.  Don't say, "I want to
play WarCraft III on Linux" but say "I want a good RTS game for Linux".
Once you start thinking that way, a whole world opens up.  You start
checking sites like
http://www.sourceforge.net/
http://www.freshmeat.net/
http://www.happypenguin.org/
And you discover a ton of really great, production quality software (or
close to it) to do exactly what you need.  And most of it was built FOR
Linux, not ported TO Linux.

> -Original Message-
> From: Casey Dougall
> 
> Hi Steven,
> 
> You might be better to focus on the linux/coldfusion server distro vs.
> adding another desktop to a crouded environment.
> 
> I was using linux for a bit and just had troubles since i couldn't get
> Macromedia apps to work."Post MX2004" I tried and had to revert back
> to windows. This was even post install of CodeWeavers Crossover
> Plugin. Problem here was a licencing script that runs in the
> background on Macromedia Products.
> 
> You'll be hard pressed to put something together that would beat
> Ubuntu but if you can figure out how to get around that problem with
> Macromedia apps I'll make the switch.
> 
> http://www.ubuntu.com
> http://www.kubuntu.org
> 
> On 1/12/06, DURETTE, STEVEN J wrote:
> >
> > I was thinking that my project would be to create a Linux 
> distro that
> > had just the tools needed by ColdFusion developers to do their work.
> >


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RE: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread DURETTE, STEVEN J \(AIT\)
Well,

If there are no legal problems with including the developer edition with
the distro, then it would be totally self-sufficient storing all the
data (cfm files, etc) on the usb drive.

The extra software like Thunderbird would be for IF you had an internet
connection.

Steve



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You're assuming that the computer they run the usb drive off of is able
to get to the internet.



Bob



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Re: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread Robert Everland III
You're assuming that the computer they run the usb drive off of is able to get 
to the internet.



Bob

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RE: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread DURETTE, STEVEN J \(AIT\)
I was planning on having the cfmx 7 developer edition as an install
option if it works on Linux.

This may just be for me when all is said and done, but if I can get the
ok from Adobe (for the cf dev edition) I might release it.  Or I might
just give an option in the install that goes out to Adobe/Macromedia and
downloads the dev edition (have to check if that's legal).

I'm just in the planning stages right now.  The first class was last
night and we will be getting more indepth creating or using existing
distros to do specifically what is needed.  




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You could include an option to install a cf server, since you can't run
or debug without the server.



Bob



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RE: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
but you could FTP it to one
 
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You could include an option to install a cf server, since you can't run or
debug without the server.



Bob



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Re: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread Robert Everland III
You could include an option to install a cf server, since you can't run or 
debug without the server.



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RE: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread DURETTE, STEVEN J \(AIT\)
Actually what I was hoping to do was when it was all said and done, the
whole thing would fit on a usb drive.

Then you walk up to a workstation/pc/etc.  Boot from the usb and work
with your files on the usb (no need to really touch the hard drive). 

An entirely portable development environment.

I just wanted to start with a regular distro until I get more
proficient.

That's why I wanted a list of software that most cf/web developers just
can't live without.  I want it to be able to do anything that might be
needed.

The absolute basics that I was thinking of were:

Eclipse with the cfeclipse plug-in (any body know of any other good
plug-ins for web developers that I might want to include?)
FireFox for web browsing
Thunderbird for e-mail

I'm not sure if flowcharting would be useful to the average cf developer
(I use Visio) but if so does anyone know of Linux flow charters?

In the end, I'm hoping that all of the software will be totally free.
(remember I said cf developer edition not server)

Steve



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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers


Hi Steven,

You might be better to focus on the linux/coldfusion server distro vs.
adding another desktop to a crouded environment.

I was using linux for a bit and just had troubles since i couldn't get
Macromedia apps to work."Post MX2004" I tried and had to revert back
to windows. This was even post install of CodeWeavers Crossover
Plugin. Problem here was a licencing script that runs in the
background on Macromedia Products.

You'll be hard pressed to put something together that would beat
Ubuntu but if you can figure out how to get around that problem with
Macromedia apps I'll make the switch.

http://www.ubuntu.com
http://www.kubuntu.org

regards,

Casey

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> I was thinking that my project would be to create a Linux distro that
> had just the tools needed by ColdFusion developers to do their work.
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Re: Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread Casey Dougall
Hi Steven,

You might be better to focus on the linux/coldfusion server distro vs.
adding another desktop to a crouded environment.

I was using linux for a bit and just had troubles since i couldn't get
Macromedia apps to work."Post MX2004" I tried and had to revert back
to windows. This was even post install of CodeWeavers Crossover
Plugin. Problem here was a licencing script that runs in the
background on Macromedia Products.

You'll be hard pressed to put something together that would beat
Ubuntu but if you can figure out how to get around that problem with
Macromedia apps I'll make the switch.

http://www.ubuntu.com
http://www.kubuntu.org

regards,

Casey

On 1/12/06, DURETTE, STEVEN J (AIT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> I was thinking that my project would be to create a Linux distro that
> had just the tools needed by ColdFusion developers to do their work.
>

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Slightly OT:Linux distro for CF Developers

2006-01-12 Thread DURETTE, STEVEN J \(AIT\)
Hi all,
 
After many years, I decided to go back to school and finish my degree...
One of my current classes is Linux + Certification and I am going to
have a project.
 
I was thinking that my project would be to create a Linux distro that
had just the tools needed by ColdFusion developers to do their work.  
 
That being said, I have some questions for everyone on the list.  Is
there anyone out there that is using Linux as a CF Development
environment?  What software are you using to do it?  What extra software
do you use that might not be used directly for you coding but is needed
to do your job?  Is there a CF Developer Edition for Linux?  (Of course
I'm thinking with Linux that the editor would probably be Eclipse with
the cfeclipse plug-in)
 
I'm from an entirely Windows background, so this is going to be
interesting.
 
I'd also like to hear what Windows programs that developers just can't
seem to be without.  Maybe I can find Linux versions.
 
Comments?  Questions?  I'd love to hear them.
 
I'm also considering doing a Linux distro for Database Administrators so
if you know of Linux software to manage MSSQL, Oracle, mySQL, etc I'd
love to hear about those also!

Steve Durette




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